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Palm FoleoAccording to the Wireless Week industry trade journal, a new version of the cancelled Foleo Mobile Companion running on Palm's next-generation Linux OS is still very much in Palm’s future product plans. Brad Smith of Wireless Week has posted a new article, "Palm Still Tracking the Foleo", discussing comments made by Palm's Joe Fabris (formerly of Microsoft) Amidst the frenzy of the recent CTIA show, about the company’s future plans.
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All well and good, but .....

BGAMOH @ 10/30/2007 2:57:59 PM # Q
please just give us a new PDA!

Palm has saved my life every day since 1999. Since my IIIx to my T3, It's been the other half of my brain. And in my job working for the Mayor of New York, it's critical! Thanks, Palm!
RE: All well and good, but .....
cstamper @ 10/30/2007 3:37:53 PM # Q
Right!!!!
RE: All well and good, but .....
SeldomVisitor @ 10/30/2007 3:38:01 PM # Q
All well and good but the reporter, Fabris, and the CoB are out of sync with one another on when anything new is coming out of PALM.

RE: All well and good, but .....
PacManFoo @ 10/30/2007 6:16:29 PM # Q
Sadly my trusty TX screen was damaged last night and now I find myself in need of a new PDA. Right now my only choices seem to be another TX which is now two years old, a HP PocketPC, or a iPod Touch and hope for good 3rd party development come February. I just don't even know which way to go on this. It seems like going backwards to get another TX, Pocket PC isn't that friendly with Macs, and the Touch currently doesn't have enough software. Too bad us PDA users are being squeezed out. At least I don't have to worry about my cell phone being dead today as well.

P.S. Always Backup!! Luckily my old Tungsten T has been able to pick up the load of important information. I really miss my WiFi, and 320X480 though.

PDA's Past and Present:
iPod Touch ???? Maybe soon.
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100

RE: All well and good, but .....
Tuckermaclain @ 10/30/2007 6:39:04 PM # Q
Nobody (IMO) wants a Foleo. People want a new PDA. My TX crapped out as well and I have been using an older Palm. Like saying hi to an old friend. We should have a TX4 with 1024x768 screen and a bunch of other goodies by now. Get with the program, Palm.

RE: All well and good, but .....
palmit @ 10/30/2007 8:07:42 PM # Q
How can speak for everyone and say that nobody wants one? It could be (IMO) that its not a good product, but it doesn't make sense to speak for everyone.

I would want one!

RE: All well and good, but .....
thomaslb @ 10/30/2007 8:19:33 PM # Q
And so would I. And so would other people. So the cranks that routinely post here should cram it (remind me of those judges on the muppets really). NOTHING good came from canceling the Foleo (yes, PLEAZZZE give me more cute spins on the word--like the oh-so clever 'fooleo'.) Idiots.

Look, seriously. I've used palms since before it was cool to use palms--and now again that it isn't cool to use them...rrr..again. I use a Psion netBook as a laptop replacement too--it is roughly equivalent to what a 2nd gen Foleo would be like anyway. The tech economy is simply not better off with one less solid state computer shooting to be your mainstay computer(since none is currently in production). A lightweight palm laptop/solid state computer is what many of us mobile professionals really get ahead of the game with out in the field. Not a bloated expensive ruggedized Windows machine. I say it here: Hawkins was right--there is a place for a device like this. It was a DARK day the day they canceled (the smell of death it was indeed as few companies recover from that kind of move). The Foleo would have been just fine with the right software.

And none of you are better off if Palm tanks, say what you will. I mean really, what would you do with your spare time--you'd have to go back to kid's soccer games and start fights.


TI Avigo -> Palm IIIx -> TRGpro -> HE330-> TRGpro -> AlphaSmart Dana -> TRGpro -> Palm M515

RE: All well and good, but .....
SeldomVisitor @ 10/31/2007 7:18:02 AM # Q
> ...yes, PLEAZZZE give me more cute spins on the word--like the
> oh-so clever 'fooleo'.) Idiots

Not a problem!

Here ya go, straight from its a-MAZ-ingly-horrible introduction at the D Conference!

== "...And here, nearly two years later, is the future to which
== Hawkins referred, the Palm Foleo (critics will inevitably dub
== it the “Fooleo”)..."

-- http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/palm-foleo/

Didn't take long for folks to recognize the work of idiots at PALM, huh?

RE: All well and good, but .....
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 11:44:39 AM # Q
Hey, I'd take a Foleo too -- just not the crappy one they offered!

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Foleo 2 requests

Poopie @ 10/30/2007 3:33:45 PM # Q
Keep the formfactor the same.

Add:
- about 300mhz more CPU power
- tabbed browsing support
- flash video support
- rdp/vnc client

My personal benchmark for laptop/desktop overall browser performance:
- set up a few dozen rss feeds in http://reader.google.com, go to reader.google.com, click on "all items", hit "j" repeatedly to move between headlines. If you can't refresh as fast as you can read the headlines, you FAIL.

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RE: Foleo 2 requests
cstamper @ 10/30/2007 3:47:06 PM # Q
Request:

-Make sure you actually ship it this time

That's all.

RE: Foleo 2 requests
twrock @ 10/31/2007 6:16:18 AM # Q
Keep the formfactor the same.

There were so many things about the Foleo that were right, but some critical things that were wrong from my perspective. Plenty of what needs to be fixed has already been mentioned, and hopefully Palm isn't ignoring those issues. It'll be interesting to see whatever it is that finally arrives. I wasn't overly interested in the Foleo I, but that was not because they got the form factor wrong. I much prefer the Foleo form factor to that way too undersized ASUS Eee PC (keyboard and screen).

(BTW, Mike Cane, I hope you pick up the Eee really soon so that we all can find out if your "fantasy" machine really lives up to your expectations or if it you end up hating it like your Nokia 770. You had obsessive fantasies about that one too, but look where it got you.)

Having said that, I really hope they are spending just about ZERO resources on the Foleo II at the moment. All their resources need to be being used to get the next gen OS out the door on some really cool handheld devices (hopefully that will include at least one really nice PDA among the smartphones). I'm still doubtful of Palm's ability to pull this one off, but I don't think they can survive on just being a rebranding company selling other companies' hardware and software.

Eh, we'll see. At this point I'm just taking a wait-and-see attitude towards Apple (will that "open" SDK really be open, and what will be available?), ALP (is it possible someone other than Palm will deliver a really great handheld that supports my current collection of apps?), and Palm (is there really any hope?).

But if Palm releases a TX2, even if it "only" used the old Garnett OS, I'd probably buy one to replace my current TX (assuming they put the missing features back in and that it didn't exhibit some fatal hardware flaw within the first month of release). That way the "wait to see what happens" would go a little easier, and I wouldn't have to spend $70 to replace my failing digitizer.


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RE: Foleo 2 requests
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 11:46:36 AM # Q
>>>You had obsessive fantasies about that one too, but look where it got you.

Yes, my mistake there was being first.

With the Eee, there are plenty of people who already have one, so there's much to read about before buying. So far, looks good.

Better than Foleo!

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Oh my....

TrafficGeek @ 10/30/2007 4:15:33 PM # Q
I guess we'll start sending wooden sticks, holy water (especially if you pour it on the development server), and garlic labeled 'Foleo' on it to help Palm get back on track.

please, for all of us, surprise us with under 18 months for the next new products...no, don't let it be FOLEO 2...

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OHHH, NOOO.....

MleB @ 10/30/2007 4:31:30 PM # Q
Kill it! Kill it now.

More rumours and promises! For a device that clearly is distracting Palm from any vague wisps of thought that might be taken for development of products that users actually want, need or lust over is not helping Palm (or their market share) at all.

Palm has become nothing more than a hardware provider to wireless companies and has lost touch with its OS, while the Desktop - now spun off from Palm - largely no longer supports the OS and its bundled software.

Diehard Palm users keep hoping that Palm will have an iPhone-like epiphany - a Eureka! moment - that will justify us putting up with such tired, poorly conceived and built cr*p for so long. Last original thought Palm had they bought from Handbrake more than 5 years ago...

And the Foleo ain't the device that will save Palm.

RE: OHHH, NOOO.....
Timothy Rapson @ 10/30/2007 7:34:17 PM # Q
'Tis but a flesh wound.
Come back here and I'll bite the EEEPC's kneecaps off!"

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FolEeeo

Gazpacho @ 10/30/2007 4:34:57 PM # Q
The Asus Eee has the same design principle: small, cheap, lightweight and no big Windows-crap.

But, in comparison to the Foleo, it has a much better distribution of features. It can do YouTube and other multimedia quite well, it has relatively a lot of internal memory, and the mail client actually can get mail throught the Wi-Fi connection: a 'feature' that Palm either didn't think was necessary or just blocked it to emphasize their 'Mobile Companion' gimmick.

In the end, being an accessory to a smartphone killed the Foleo. The Asus Eee PC is a stand-alone subnotebook that can ALSO work as a mobile companion to a smartphone, and that already sounds much better for starters.

http://foleocentral.blogspot.com

FoleoCentral is the news, opinions & review blog about the Palm Foleo Mobile Companion

RE: FolEeeo
TooMuch @ 10/30/2007 5:49:35 PM # Q
The "smartphone companion" idea is the only reason I would be interested in this product. I have a great Apple laptop (that serves as a desktop too) but I don't always need it's power for every meeting or trip. I would add the mobile screen/keyboard/communication tether of a Foleo product. I don't care about a full product OS.

RE: FolEeeo
Poopie @ 10/30/2007 7:44:31 PM # Q

being an accessory to a smartphone killed the Foleo.

Hear hear.

It needs to be an excellent standalone device first, and a mobile companion second.

Quoting Jamie Zawinski


Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.

Poopie's corollary to JWZ's law:

Every mail device or program attempts to expand until it can read mail via IMAP and send mail via SMTP. Those devices or programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.


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I don't want to be cruel, but...

adamsmark @ 10/30/2007 7:35:47 PM # Q
Bruce Springsteen can get away with releasing a new album every three or four years. There's only one Bruce. But Palm can be replaced. Unless they stay on top of their game, which they are not, they will become a footnote. One can only hope Palm will do what Apple has done: screw around for about a decade and then come up with something so revolutionary, every forgets the past.

"I believe in the atomic bomb."

Blogging at http://agabus.com">Agabus.com.

Palm V > Vx > Clie Peg T615C > T3 > Clie TH55 > T3 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p & T3!

RE: I don't want to be cruel, but...
jca666us @ 10/31/2007 6:25:24 AM # Q
Apple has come out with several innovative things:

OS X
ipod
iphone

and rejuvenated their product line.

Palm will need more than a stable, functioning POS 2...

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Whoever Palm Has working on Foleo 2...

drbuzz0 @ 10/30/2007 7:56:49 PM # Q
GET THEM OFF THAT PROJECT AND WORKING ON THE DAMN NEW OS!!!!!

Sorry for shouting, but how the hell long did it take to get the original Foleo mock-up OS to be at least usable? Okay I realize that the new Palm OS is more complicated... but seriously... give this all you've got to get it done ASAP if it means sacraficing other projects because your COMPANY'S VERY EXISTENCE DEPENDS ON IT!

This is worse than rearenging the deck chairs on the titanic. This is list drawing up plans for the new light fixtures to be installed on the titanic while nobody is in the damn helm house and the iceberg is looming on the horizon.

RE: Whoever Palm Has working on Foleo 2...
SeldomVisitor @ 10/31/2007 7:09:57 AM # Q
It would be ... strange ... if PALM didn't have Windriver working on the new OS.

They went to the trouble of throwing out their years of development for Fooleo-I's original OS implementation and retaining Windriver (accompanied by a big splashy PR-fluff) JUST before they threw out the Fooleo itself as well.

To NOT use Windriver would be really weird.

Or maybe the departure of the Senior VP of Engineering is now explained?

Remember - they have gone on record saying the new OS coming for the Fooleo-II is the same OS for their other devices - all now scheduled for no sooner than sometime mid-2009-ish.

RE: Whoever Palm Has working on Foleo 2...
SeldomVisitor @ 11/4/2007 9:27:10 AM # Q
Now that Google is about to announce (Monday, 11AM) their Linux-based world, do ya think PALM will jump on board?

And throw their SECOND Linux attempt out the window, too?

And if they DON'T?


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Could 'Foleo2' be a Foleo W ?

Konstantin @ 10/30/2007 8:54:09 PM # Q
Kind of conspiracy thought, was MS in any way linked to the Foleo cancel?
Will Foleo2 be powered by a linux os or it will be any of the MS OS flavors?

I actually wanted a Foleo, the idea of the instant power on device with a larger screen but not laptopish is appealing to me.
The software suite was a bit weak though.

Konstantin.

RE: Could 'Foleo2' be a Foleo W ?
SeldomVisitor @ 10/31/2007 7:19:57 AM # Q
It is Linux based if the folks at PALM are to be believed that the "new OS" will be used for all "new OS" devices out of PALM (yes, that's a strange way of phrasing the answer...blame Palm!).


RE: Could 'Foleo2' be a Foleo W ?
mikecane @ 10/31/2007 3:29:53 PM # Q
>>>Kind of conspiracy thought, was MS in any way linked to the Foleo cancel?

No.

RE: Could 'Foleo2' be a Foleo W ?
hkklife @ 10/31/2007 3:48:38 PM # Q
>>>Kind of conspiracy thought, was MS in any way linked to the Foleo cancel?

No, Palm's arrogance/hubris/complacency/incompetence are all reasons behind the Fooleo's cancellation (as well as its initial concept/greenlight/gestation).



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speachless...

ggeoffre @ 10/30/2007 9:08:22 PM # Q
[insert negative rant here]

RE: speachless...
cstamper @ 10/31/2007 10:12:26 AM # Q
Why? -> Waste of time.

[insert 'why post negative' rant here]

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Why the bitching?

Nycran @ 10/31/2007 8:13:52 AM # Q
Joe Fabris made it pretty clear that no (or very little) work is being done on the Foleo at the moment; all resources are being applied to the new OS and the Foleo idea is simply in Palm's "future plans".

As for the concept itself, anyone who's been following the enthusiasm of the Asus EEE PC users will realise that there is a great deal of merit in the concept and there's a definite market waiting for Palm if/when they do this, so long as they do it right.

Take a look at the number of new threads created on the eee user website in the last few days:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewforum.php?id=1

I reckon more eee's will sell in the next 12 months that the total of Palm's entire product line (providing Asus can restock fast enough).



RE: Why the bitching?
TooMuch @ 10/31/2007 8:56:16 AM # Q
If the Asus EEE functions as SLOW as their website I wouldn't want it. In fact, their product webiste is REALLY POOR!

RE: Why the bitching?
Nycran @ 10/31/2007 10:00:26 AM # Q
That is not the product website. It's a user forum setup by the community.

RE: Why the bitching?
mikecane @ 10/31/2007 3:28:53 PM # Q
Eejit. The Eee has been getting great reviews. It has in fact exceeded user expectations.

Can't say that for the Foleo.

BTW: Colligan, RESIGN already!

RE: Why the bitching?
TooMuch @ 10/31/2007 3:56:48 PM # Q
"That is not the product website. It's a user forum setup by the community."

I was not referring to a user forum. I am referring to their actual "discover" product website. Try it.
http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm



RE: Why the bitching?
mikecane @ 10/31/2007 6:18:47 PM # Q
Give it a break. It's loading a huge fekkin Flash onto your PC.

RE: Why the bitching?
twrock @ 10/31/2007 9:30:46 PM # Q
And that's why I hate "huge fekkin Flash". Just give me simple JPG's and links, thank you very much.
Remember Flash, the comic book hero? He moved really fast.


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RE: Why the bitching?
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 11:48:11 AM # Q
I'm no fan of Flash, either! Especially in ADS!!

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I think I want A Foleo

JPT|X @ 10/31/2007 9:29:03 AM # Q
I think I want a foleo. It all depends on how bulky it is to carry around.
I currently use a TX and/or a Clie PEG-TJ37 (I think Clie's may have failed in U.S. because they did not have catchy names)
I'm on the hunt for a Sony UX50 right now...

I want the foleo to:
Stand alone without a treo
Run The Core Pocket Media Player
Sync with outlook
Surf with wifi net
Run palm programs
Skype compatability would be a dream, but the economcs forbid that, I suspect.

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Just kill the stupid Foleo

Ervool @ 10/31/2007 1:53:44 PM # Q

I hope the Foleo 2 project is just laying around in some techie desk in Palm.

The product has no future at all, just kill the damn thing and bring new PDAs to the market.

RE: Just kill the stupid Foleo
SeldomVisitor @ 10/31/2007 1:57:04 PM # Q
yeah!

Like a ... a ... a ... a Zaurus!


RE: Just kill the stupid Foleo
MleB @ 11/1/2007 7:54:08 AM # Q
...with the keyboard of the Psion 5mx - the best (IMHO) keyboard ever produced for a handheld....
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Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)

mikecane @ 10/31/2007 3:45:03 PM # Q
http://honeypothack.com/eee/internet.htm

Go play.

Then cry.

$400.

You know you want it.

You do!

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 10/31/2007 4:11:39 PM # Q
Way cool.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 10/31/2007 6:20:07 PM # Q
Cooler than you know.

While Palm went with Opera -- the worst goddam browser available! -- Asus went with FIREFOX.

(Memo to Palm: Even those dopes at NOKIA dumped Opera in their latest desperate version of their Anti-Internet Tablet.)

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
DarthRepublican @ 10/31/2007 7:46:48 PM # Q
I wanted it when it was supposed to cost only $200 and had a lot more storage. Now? It feels underwhelming. At $200 for a fun toy it's a no-brainer. At $400, I need to start justifying my purchase with something other than the fun factor. I'll probably wait and see what people who are actually using (as opposed to merely reviewing it) it have to say.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/1/2007 6:58:22 AM # Q
> ...While Palm went with Opera -- the worst goddam browser
> available! -- Asus went with FIREFOX...

Somewhat off-topic - somewhat - but when I started up my session this morning (on a rocket PC, not PDA), among other things opening my standard Firefox to CNN (home page), Firefox slowed to a crawl.

No, Firefox froze. Solid.

Killed it off repeatedly, restarted, refreeze.

The culprit? Flash Player playing a Dell ad.

Opened up Internet Explorer and was able to read CNN, albeit somewhat slowed down.

But Firefox and that player don't mix right now at all.

And this isn't even my Ubuntu box where visiting, say, Engadget will cause the entire box to go catatonic due to the Flash stuff.

I'm about to try to visit Engadget with THIS box - I'm not hoping for the best.

The Flash Player and Firefox have serious issues - and I can't even blame antivirus software for it.

[after I visit Engadget I'll post an off-topic followup, too]


RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/1/2007 7:04:55 AM # Q
Well, Engadget worked fine - no problem at all.

And, of course, PIC is workign fine, too.

Does this suggest that the instantiation of a Flash ad can be TUNED to cause problems for a site? [I know zilch about the use of Flash]

Time to look at page source to see if there's anything there...

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/1/2007 7:29:56 AM # Q
Interesting - after multiple visits resulting in the same ad earlier on CNN's home page, just now went back and the Dell ad has been changed to do essentially nothing - wonder if its normal "rotation" or some group of folks complained?

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
hkklife @ 11/1/2007 10:52:23 AM # Q
All browsers/platforms/OSes, I have more problems on average (espn.com is a terrible culprit) with flash ads than anything else. Well, flash and ebedded Quicktime files.

No problems here with the CNN page/Dell ad on IE7 & Vista--nor in days past with Firefox under XP (coincidentially I use CNN as my home page too!)

As far as the Eee PC: I'll not pay $400 for one no matter how much storage it's got (not with that screen size/res). Now, $300 or less in its current form and I'll probably bite. Will definitely get one if I could get 8gb of storage for $300ish.

Also, am I correct in reading that the lower end versions (including the one Newegg is selling now) have the RAM soldered on to the motherboard? NOT good! I'd insist on having the higher priced version with a slot open for expansion!



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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 11:49:40 AM # Q
What you carp about is a FLASH problem, not a Fox problem. I have hangs too. It happens. Damn Flash!!

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 11:50:39 AM # Q
>>>Now, $300 or less in its current form and I'll probably bite.

And how much did you pay for your current teeny weeny device that can't do 1/10th as much?

Puhleeze.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
hkklife @ 11/1/2007 12:01:00 PM # Q
I paid $250ish for my TX but that was two years ago. And yes I realize that ALL "PDAs" are grossly overpriced now compared to what you get on the Eee, but I'm just sour with Asus for getting all of our hopes up with the ROCK BOTTOM pricing they hinted at initially while we watched the price creep up and up and up and up...

Still, I want to fondle one in the flesh before making any further assumptions. Is the build quality still as fragile as the early reports claimed?



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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 1:53:54 PM # Q
No, build quality is quite good.

Come on, how can you REALLY frikkin carp about a machine that has a TRUE Intel CPU vs the bloody LifeDrive-range/PDA-like CPU the Foleo had?!

Even at $400, the Eee is a damned bargain that will drive all other device prices downward. Good! Some prices *need* to be stepped on!

And don't forget: Asus has said they will be doing low-cost handhelds too.

Colligan: RESIGN!

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
hkklife @ 11/1/2007 2:51:23 PM # Q
Glad to hear the build quality is solid. I'd love a black Eee, of course.

Oh you must've missed my sermon a few weeks ago espousing the virtues of the Eee's innards. The Intel GMA 900 GPU and a Celeron-M or Pentium-M CPU is NOTHING to sneeze at. You could run a variety of DX7/8-era 3d games on a GMA 900, actually. I can envision many users buying an Eee just to run old games and emulators on. And compared to a Fooleo? Probably the ONLY thing the Fooleo had going for it over the Eee was styling, build quality, and screen size/resolution. That's IT! Expandability/chipset/pricing/CPU/AV capabilities/RAM/storage/core functionality, the Eee destroys the Fooleo.

Now, long-term driver support etc from Asus might be a problem but I am sure the community will be VERY good about staying on top of everything. I've almost always built PCs with Asus motherboards. They usually hit the ground running but can be bad about abandoning driver/bios support for fairly recent mobos in favor of whatever the newest/hottest chipset is. And my next Wintel laptop will likely be an Asus unless I happen to catch Dell during one of those blowout pricing events.

My main worry is that at $400, no matter how good of a value it is, just like the Fooleo, "average" users are always going to look at the $450 "real" laptops from Dell/Everex/HP/Acer etc. and figure they might as well stick with the safe, bulky, full-featured alternative.

Yes, **SOME** prices (ALL unsubsidized cellular/mobile handsets/smartphones, PDAs/PMPs, video cards, LCD projectors) need to be stepped on but I think you can safely say that notebook/laptop PCs of all flavors have certainly dropped in price a great deal over the past few years.

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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 3:47:39 PM # Q
>>>My main worry is that at $400, no matter how good of a value it is, just like the Fooleo, "average" users are always going to look at the $450 "real" laptops from Dell/Everex/HP/Acer etc. and figure they might as well stick with the safe, bulky, full-featured alternative.

Different markets entirely. Although Asus has positioned this as a cheap kid's computer, that's hardly all it is! To me, it's the first *subnotebook* with a no-lose price on it. Look at anything else in its size class and the pricing will make your hair stand on end. The closest current thing is the original Samsung Q1 UMPC. I'll do without the touchscreen for something that has a keyboard and half the price! And I realize with it being Linux I'm not really going to have such a big choice of other software (at least in a no-brain manner of installation!), but Asus has included so much with it -- just like Apple does with Macs -- that there's little more I'd need out of the box.

YMMV, of course.

(And if Palm -- OK, *Hawkins* -- hadn't underspecced the hell out of the Foleo, there would have been room for both -- and I would've actually given the edge to the Foleo since Palm had done what even NOKIA hadn't been able to do with its Anti-Net Tabs: lasso *developers* for it. That, and its ISO-sized keyboard. And, yes, as you mentioned, its better screen too.)

Asus unboxing video (with CAT!)
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 5:24:45 PM # Q
Lust-inducing video review of Asus Eee
mikecane @ 11/1/2007 5:52:45 PM # Q
No cat included this time.

http://blip.tv/file/456849

But listen to him! In one breath, he PRAISES it for the very features HAWKINS tried to sell the Foleo with! Then he mentions the Foleo as failing where the Eee has succeeded! My head spins.

RESIGN, Colligan!

And notice all the ports on it too.

Must go wipe drool...

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
MleB @ 11/2/2007 8:36:29 AM # Q
On this link for a test drive - is it just me or am I not seeing an Address Book? Please tell me that its incorporated into one of the other programs built onboard - and not reliant on a wireless connection to access - if it exists at all.

I 'get' that the OS is a version of Linux and that stuff could be added and removed at user's discretion, but Asus needs to ensure the unit comes with the basic needs included and that any additional software be *really* simple to find and install via their site. And I'm not seeing that on their Eee site at present.

And yeah, the price for the specs seems awfully high - especially in regards to RAM and internal memory. While the cost of miniaturization has always been a useful excuse, for a device this 'big' (and with no HDD) running 512 RAM and a 4 GB SSD, $400 seems awfully dear. On the other hand, I guess it could be argued a user could double his 'hard drive' with the addition of a $40 4GB SD card....

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 10:21:25 AM # Q
>>>for a device this 'big' (and with no HDD) running 512 RAM and a 4 GB SSD, $400 seems awfully dear

I have no words.

>picking jaw off floor<

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 10:26:06 AM # Q
RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 11:35:21 AM # Q
Yeah, good luck with that loser, Everex! gOS -- as many apps as the Nokia Anti-net Tabs.

FAIL!

Next!

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/2/2007 11:00:16 PM # Q
http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/11/walmart_back_in_the_linux_busi.html

Mike, I might be wrong about this, but gOS is not some "new" distro. Looks like it is nothing more than the Enlightenment window manager (front end) being used on Ubuntu 7.10 (see the link above). Here is a description of Enlightenment taken right out of the software installer on my Ubuntu system (meaning that I could just as easily install Enlightenment on my system and use it right now instead of GNOME):

Enlightenment - the window manager that dares to do what others don't.
It features KDE and GNOME integration, multi-program sound support,
iconification, sliding desktops, docking, epplets, Xinerama support
and much more. Enlightenment takes the concepts of themes to another
level - everything can be changed. The visual components of themes are
a rich set of graphical images in a variety of formats. Theme makers
can unleash their artistic talents without bounds. Themes are not limited
to just different colors and background images on the same old desktop.

So if I'm right, this Everex PC is going to be able to run all the Ubuntu packages available right now. This is not the same thing as Maemo.


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RE: Virtual Toy: Weep for the Eee, Mike! (You have been WARNED!)
twrock @ 11/3/2007 5:33:36 AM # Q
So I went down to the local computer mall today. Without even trying, I saw at least 10 different shops with ASUS Eee's displayed prominently. Lot's of people at least giving it a look. One guy was buying one for his little girl (probably a 3rd-4th grader). I asked to use one for a few minutes. The sales people couldn't tell me how to get it into English or even if an English version was available. The did say that the 8gb version would be out next month, but they didn't know anything about a potential 10 inch display. Unfortunately since it was Saturday, their rep at ASUS wasn't in to answer any question.

Here's a few pics:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/twrock/ASUSEee.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/twrock/ASUSEee1.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/twrock/ASUSEee2.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/twrock/ASUSUMPC.jpg

(I threw that last one in there just for comparison.)

Mike, listen carefully here. The Eee is unusable by larger than Hobbit sized individuals. Ok, that's an overstatement. But seriously, do you see my hand in those pics! I can not even get my finger tips onto the home row keys, even while I have them crammed together as tight as possible. Compared to my Dell 700m which has "slightly" undersized keys, the Eee's keyboard is more than a whole key narrower from the A to the quote key and are even more undersized top to bottom (the keys are not square). There is no way I could enter text on this machine. ASUS obviously made for children (all the advertising had kids plastered all over it), but I can imagine some adults buying this as well just because it's way cheap and way light and way convenient. But Mike, do not buy one without first attempting to use one. You have been warned, and if you go ahead and get one and then come back here in a few weeks pissing and moaning about what a piece of crap it is, I for one will mock you without mercy. Just be really sure you are going to be able to use it before you put down your cash.

A couple of other notes. If somehow they put a real keyboard in this thing (I don't see how given the size constraints of the whole machine), at 7 inches the screen really does look too small. Of course it's "big enough", but I'd really like to be looking at a 10 inch screen in an ultra-portable unit. I know there were rumors that ASUS was going to do this eventually, so maybe that would be solved. But that leaves me once again feeling like the Foleo really was hitting the sweet spot with regard to its form factor. Hawkins was right; if you start out with a full-sized keyboard in a standard layout, the 10 inch screen is what follows. And as I've mentioned before, I am a huge fan of the trackpoint as well.

So my curiosity about the Eee has been answered, and I am not at all interested.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/3/2007 12:35:51 PM # Q
>>>But Mike, do not buy one without first attempting to use one. You have been warned, and if you go ahead and get one and then come back here in a few weeks pissing and moaning about what a piece of crap it is, I for one will mock you without mercy. Just be really sure you are going to be able to use it before you put down your cash.

Well, hell, I never buy blind! I'll be vacating the PC for the day to walk the earth and part of that walking will, I hope, put me on an intercept course with an Eee that might be out there to fondle.

My fingers are not as fat as yours (in fat, my fingers are not fat at all). And I'm not a conventional Home Row typist. I created my own idiosyncratic style when I taught myself to type on a (cover your eyes, kidz!) PORTABLE MANUAL TYPEWRITER ages ago. (Which also accounts for why I tend to bash keys harder than they need to be -- man, did that keyboard need downward pressure!!) (Although I don't claim more than 30WPM, I've shockingly been clocked as high as 60WPM... MMMV!)

You missed my own comment about that keyboard apparently:

http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/asus-eee-flybook-rsi/

People who own the Eee have also complained about the smallness of the trackpad (not surprising you missed that since your fondle unit was in a body condom!) and are planning to use an external mouse. It'll probably be the same for me too.

Look, all this is to have a tote-along full-PC without the cost of a one-day stay in a hospital room (what full XP subnotes cost!). I expect the keyboard and trackpad to be difficult. I'll live.

I liked those pictures. Thanks. I also like the 4th one. I didn't know Asus did a portable folding keyboard for their UMPC. Maybe I should look into getting that instead of using the one I have and planned to use.

So, when are you going to buy yours? You know you want one! Oh yes you do!

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/3/2007 12:37:58 PM # Q
As for the screen and keyboard, again, you missed my comment a few posts above:

>>>(And if Palm -- OK, *Hawkins* -- hadn't underspecced the hell out of the Foleo, there would have been room for both -- and I would've actually given the edge to the Foleo since Palm had done what even NOKIA hadn't been able to do with its Anti-Net Tabs: lasso *developers* for it. That, and its ISO-sized keyboard. And, yes, as you mentioned, its better screen too.)

Ah, that screen and keyboard... hmmm, can Palm sell Foleos without the guts in such a way that their could be a gut transplant from the Eee?

OK, now I've gone mad.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/3/2007 12:38:29 PM # Q
Damn. Typo. their -> there

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
Gekko @ 11/3/2007 2:40:00 PM # Q

Krakow: Budget, ultralight laptop is a winner

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/02/444881.aspx



RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/3/2007 8:06:37 PM # Q
> ...My fingers are not as fat as yours...

They did seem kinda large, didn't they? (that was the first thing that popped into my head on looking at the pictures - and I'm about 6'2" and have been called "football (not soccer) player"-like in appearance - and those fingers were large compared to mine!)

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 1:14:47 AM # Q
Here's what's interesting. You are assuming I have particularly fat fingers only because you are looking at them in a picture with no other reference point but the Eee computer keyboard. Might it possibly be that instead you should notice the point that I am making: the keyboard is tiny. Your eyes are telling you that my hands are particularly fat because you are making a faulty assumption about the reference point.

Here let me help you out a little more. On my standard desktop keyboard, the distance from the left side of the A key to the right side of the quotes key is approximately 20.8 cm (8.2 inches). On my undersized Dell 700m, it is 19.2 cm. On the Eee, it is 17 cm. No, I do not have small hands, but neither do I have huge hands, and I am a fairly typical six foot tall ""European male. I compared the width of my fingers to another "European" male just this morning who is four inches shorter than me and the width difference was negligible.

In the end, the issue will be whether or not your fingers fit or not, or whether or not your typing style makes it possible to use such an undersized keyboard. For me that simply isn't possible.

And no, Mike, I do not really want one. If you gave me one, I would simply pass it on to my daughter or wife because attempting to use that small of a keyboard and screen would be frustrating beyond acceptable. Maybe they would find it usable, but I can't even sure about that.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 1:18:46 AM # Q
And, have a look at Gekko's link. What is the biggest problem the author points out?


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 1:37:13 AM # Q
I created my own idiosyncratic style when I taught myself to type on a (cover your eyes, kidz!) PORTABLE MANUAL TYPEWRITER ages ago. (Which also accounts for why I tend to bash keys harder than they need to be -- man, did that keyboard need downward pressure!!)

Ah, yes, those were the days (well, actually, not). Our high school typing teacher did not allow "idiosyncratic style". She was pretty controlling about the "art" was to be performed. I do find that I still seem to hit keys a bit harder than other people who didn't have the "opportunity" to learn on a manual (based on the sound of my typing vs. their's).

My post wasn't intended to imply that you weren't noticing the size of keyboard and screen, just that when you finally get one of these into your hands, you might find, as I did, that it is even smaller than you were imagining. If small is the goal, this thing is an absolute winner (particularly at that price with those features). But for me, the whole thing seemed ridiculously small, unusably small. There simply isn't any reason for me to spend money on such a device (no matter how cheap) if I won't be able to use it productively. Of course YMMV.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/4/2007 7:56:21 AM # Q
[what a silly aside...]

> ...You are assuming I have particularly fat fingers only because
> you are looking at them in a picture with no other reference point
> but the Eee computer keyboard...

Actually, I didn't look at the background at all, not having a clue what a finger looks like against a keyboard of any size.

I was strictly looking at the shape of the fingers themselves, in particular (on second look since the initial impression was garnered by glance, not stare) the shape of the index finger and its first joint (closest to palm).


RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 9:44:50 AM # Q
They did seem kinda large, didn't they? (that was the first thing that popped into my head on looking at the pictures - and I'm about 6'2" and have been called "football (not soccer) player"-like in appearance - and those fingers were large compared to mine!)

Actually, I didn't look at the background at all, not having a clue what a finger looks like against a keyboard of any size.

I was strictly looking at the shape of the fingers themselves, in particular (on second look since the initial impression was garnered by glance, not stare) the shape of the index finger and its first joint (closest to palm).


So now you are saying that without any reference to anything else to indicate relative size at all, you concluded that my fingers are large compared to yours? Then, please tell, how in the world you can make that conclusion without any point of reference? Either you are amazingly clairvoyant, are basing your conclusion on the size of my fingers relative to something else in the picture, or are simply spouting nonsense. I'm quickly reaching a conclusion as to which is most likely.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/4/2007 9:48:24 AM # Q
Giggle - my fingers are straight, not cone-shaped.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 9:54:42 AM # Q
SV, you are seriously weird.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
Gekko @ 11/4/2007 12:12:59 PM # Q
RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
Gekko @ 11/4/2007 12:14:17 PM # Q

price/features/form factor looks good, but i would only buy a Windows laptop.



RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/4/2007 12:29:18 PM # Q
Point taken about the fingers and referents.

I didn't intercept an Eee yesterday, but I was able to have a go at this:

http://laptopmag.com/Review/Fujitsu-LifeBook-U810-Tablet-PC.htm

You wanna talk about TINY keyboard?!!? But I could *almost* type on it (I said my style was idiosyncratic, right?). What gave me the most trouble was that the A key was all the way at the edge of the unit -- No Caps Lock next to it. I kept hitting S or D.

Now, would I *want* to type on that? No. Besides the keyboard, the default size of text on the screen would make me need a damned jeweler's loupe to see!

More about the Eee:
http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/11/eee-pc-might-be.html
-- which links to other things (good overview post)

Someone corrected my mistaken idea of gOS. It can also be downloaded for free without buying hardware:

http://www.thinkgos.com/index.html

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/4/2007 12:40:10 PM # Q
Forbes on the Eee:

http://members.forbes.com/global/2007/1112/024a_print.html

Asus is kicking ass. I really really hope they follow up with PDAs!

Lesson for Palm:

>>>The company first said the computer would be on shelves by August, then September, before it finally arrived Oct. 17. The holdup, says Shen, was making sure the interface worked well. To test it, Asustek took 1,000 prototypes and distributed them to employees and vendors, with strict orders to share them with family members of all ages. Bloggers on Eee PC Web sites that sprung up after the Computex show groaned that the product was taking too long to come out, but that didn't bother Shen. "The user experience must be very high," he says. "So we delayed, because with all the momentum built up around this product, I want to make sure it's exactly right."

Hey, Hawkins & Colligan, thanks for saying the Foleo would come out END OF SUMMER, you eejits.

How many times must I repeat myself?
http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/02/10/hey-nokia-this-is-how-quality-works/
(Given what I've read about Leopard, Apple should have STFU too about an October release!)

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/4/2007 7:44:29 PM # Q
Re: the Fujitsu UMPC.
I noticed a lot of really interesting looking "UMPC" style computers at the mall two days ago. But I keep running into the same thought over and over. The "idea" of that kind of device seems really cool to me. But in each case, I can't imagine myself happily using the device. I can't imagine how I can be productive on it. I keep thinking that some other form factor would be way more enjoyable to use as well. If both productivity and enjoyment take a hit, then why bother.

That's why I was really excited about the Eee when I first saw the announcement. They seemed to be getting just about everything right, including an "optimized" OS and great price. But two things happened: the price kept climbing and I finally got my hands on one. Whereas plenty of people in the world (including just about every kid) will be able to happily use this computer, I wouldn't be. It's that simple for me.

So that has only solidified my feeling that at least in form factor, the Foleo was probably getting it right for what I want. Now if they can just take care of the other issues before version 2 is released, I will have to take a serious look. But given that they have already committed to waiting for 18 months for the OS, there very well might be something else long before then.

Eh, it's all just musing anyway. I certainly have my "wants" met wrt laptop-type devices at the moment. It'd take the "perfect" device to even start to justify the money to buy it.


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/5/2007 8:29:22 AM # Q
>>>But given that they have already committed to waiting for 18 months for the OS, there very well might be something else long before then.

In 18 months, the world could end. For us all. Or at the very least, for Palm!

I still don't understand this griping about the Eee's "price increase." So it's $400, not $200. Big deal! It's the first truly affordable subnotebook!

And Asus is a smart company. You think it will always have a wee keyboard? Watch them get the Foleo keyboard religion mighty fast! No moss is going to grow on that company.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
SeldomVisitor @ 11/5/2007 9:38:26 AM # Q
> ...No moss is going to grow on that company.

I think that is the meta-tidbit that is all-important.

11AM should be interesting today to see what other companies are...you know...still rolling along.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
hkklife @ 11/5/2007 10:01:26 AM # Q
WHO would ever have imagined a PIC thread THIS bizarre without the involvement of TVoRE-Tellurian, Ska, Dr.O, Lefty, Jeff Kirvin et al??

Back OT:

I'll personally be keeping a close watch on the Sunday retail circulars. The FIRST time BB puts the Eee PC in its weekly circular, the "average joe" interest level is certain to be piqued. It'll be interesting, if the Eee is a (relatively) big success for BB, if Asus will use that as leverage to start getting their PCs/monitors/video cards etc. on BB shelves.

Y'know what I'd love to see? A "build yer own" Eee online store site down the road! Some people like Ron and me want a bigger screen but don't care much about the onboard storage (since SDHC is so cheap). Some people like want, say, a Pentium-M instead of a Celeron-M and gobs of SSD/RAM but are fine with the smaller LCD. Assuming M$ comes out with a "lite" version of Vista as planned ad/or keeps offering XP to manufacturers past '08, it'd be a good way for n00bs to get a Eee pre-loaded with XP.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/5/2007 4:02:02 PM # Q
>>>I'll personally be keeping a close watch on the Sunday retail circulars. The FIRST time BB puts the Eee PC in its weekly circular, the "average joe" interest level is certain to be piqued.

By the time it appears in the circular, it will have already been in stores -- and quickly sold out.

J&R: Got in 100. Gone in two days.

Costco just had it on their front page.

Personally, I hope it'll wind up being like the iPhone: no shortages.

Can you Sync a Smartphone to an Eee?
Gekko @ 11/5/2007 6:35:36 PM # Q

can you sync a palm/treo/ppc/blackberry/etc to this Asus Eee?????????

if so, to what laptop PIM app?

if it doesn't have windows, i don't think i want it.


RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/5/2007 6:44:44 PM # Q
Gekko, you wouldn't want it anyway.

There's no PIM. Early builds showed a Palm Pilot Tool program.

http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/asus-eee-and-palm-pdas/

That's gone missing. But if it was there once...

Besides, I think there is such a Linux program. Someone will no doubt port it over.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
twrock @ 11/5/2007 7:26:03 PM # Q
WHO would ever have imagined a PIC thread THIS bizarre without the involvement of TVoRE-Tellurian, Ska, Dr.O, Lefty, Jeff Kirvin et al??

You only assume we aren't here!


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RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
AdamaDBrown @ 11/5/2007 7:32:53 PM # Q
To be fair, the Eee didn't go from $200 to $400. There's still a version being sold for $270--it's just not intended for availability in areas where people can afford the $400 model.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/9/2007 8:52:54 AM # Q
What cracks me up are the spoiled brats who are whiiiining that they now have to pay "double" what they "expected." Right, as if they haven't spent jillions of bucks on their home hardware as it is. Puhleeze.

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/9/2007 9:30:48 AM # Q
This just in. WTF?

>>>With the launch of a Windows XP version Eee PC in December

Yikes!

Also:

Asustek to push desktop version Eee PC next year
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20071109PD207.html

Oh! Vista reels from the bust in the chops Leopard gave it. Now comes the final blow!

Hey, Ballmer, join Colligan -- RESIGN! (oh wait, I HATE MS! STAY, Ballmer, STAY!!)

RE: Virtual Eee: Weep for the Foleo, Palm! (RESIGN, Colligan!)
mikecane @ 11/9/2007 9:35:36 AM # Q
Eee manual in English available

http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePC/EeePC4G(701)/e3509_EeePC701_web.zip

-- you might have copy&paste that. It's squirrelly even then. Keep trying.

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Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'

Gekko @ 11/1/2007 7:31:24 PM # Q

no, it wasn't the fooleo.

http://tinyurl.com/22tjky



RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
freakout @ 11/1/2007 8:02:43 PM # Q
(freakout drowns in a pool of his own puke)
RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
vorlon @ 11/1/2007 8:32:02 PM # Q
RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
abosco @ 11/1/2007 9:03:49 PM # Q
Out of everyone who has ever played with my iPhone, I have never ONCE had to explain to anybody how to use the device. Even the people who have criticized me for buying one! They grab it and start going into applications and flick around. That's why it is the invention of the year. It's the first operating system I've ever seen that has absolutely NO learning curve. Even Palm OS has one.

Tim, if you refuse to believe the iPhone is a piece of technological innovation, then you're even MORE of a fool than I initially imagined. If you buy anything from Palm today, it will be outdated in 12 months in the form that its Operating System won't even be supported anymore.

Know who else owns an iPhone besides me? I'll give you three guesses. (Hint: Next time you get to use an iPhone, go to the PIC homepage. You'll figure it out quickly.)

So go ahead and puke everywhere. Meanwhile, I'll continue to enjoy my phone.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
Poopie @ 11/1/2007 9:28:07 PM # Q

I have never ONCE had to explain to anybody how to use the device. Even the people who have criticized me for buying one! They grab it and start going into applications and flick around.

Well, I usually need to demonstrate for about a half a second, but same here.

All I can say is that owning an iPhone in 2007 feels exactly like it did to own a PalmPilot in 1996.


USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
jca666us @ 11/1/2007 10:37:03 PM # Q
>(freakout drowns in a pool of his own puke)

Freak, why did you puke? If you truly believe Palm to offer a superior experience, why puke?

Is it finally dawning on you how serious a competitor Apple will prove to be for Palm?

Competition is good - the only way this is bad for Palm is if they don't raise their game.

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
freakout @ 11/2/2007 1:04:17 AM # Q
The iPhone cheerleaders (nice outfits, girls!) said:
Tim, if you refuse to believe the iPhone is a piece of technological innovation, then you're even MORE of a fool than I initially imagined.
Is it finally dawning on you how serious a competitor Apple will prove to be for Palm?

You funny little people!

The point is not that the iPhone isn't a cool gadget, nor an innovative one.

The point is that it's not "Invention of the Year". That title should go to something truly deserving of the title. How 'bout any one of the life-saving drugs or medical equipment released this year? Or maybe the OLPC XO laptop? There's plenty of far more worthy contenders for "Invention of the Year" than a freakin' 2.5G mobile phone with a web browser. (That can't even do MMS.)

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
abosco @ 11/2/2007 3:06:48 AM # Q
You really don't seem to understand that the iPhone has brought the smartphone to the mainstream. Remember when the Pilot 1000 was released? Remember when Sega Genesis was released? Remember when the Apple II was released?

"Invention of the Year" doesn't have to be something that saves millions of lives. Wait until you get to play with an iPhone for yourself and begin to realize how well the OS cooperates with you instead of fighting you.

Or you can keep playing with Palm OS. How is Blazer working on your Treo? Good to know that you're getting poorly-displayed pages faster than I am. Uh oh, I'm on a college campus with free Wifi across town. Scratch the speed thing. At least you can still install Palm OS applications, right? Good to know you have great applications such as "Pocket Mirror" which turns your screen black to function as a mirror, or alternatively turns it white to function as a flashlight in the dark.

Damn. How am I getting along without that antiquated OS?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
freakout @ 11/2/2007 4:04:53 AM # Q
The point is, in the end, it's just a phone, Bosco, no matter how good a phone it is. Get some perspective!
RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
jca666us @ 11/2/2007 7:06:17 AM # Q
>The point is not that the iPhone isn't a cool gadget, nor an innovative one.

The people at Time would disagree with you.

>The point is that it's not "Invention of the Year". That title should go to something truly deserving of the title.
>How 'bout any one of the life-saving drugs or medical equipment released this year? Or maybe the OLPC XO
>laptop? There's plenty of far more worthy contenders for "Invention of the Year" than a freakin' 2.5G mobile
>phone with a web browser. (That can't even do MMS.)

Freak, why even bitch about MMS - did you even read the article?

Trust me, if we lived in some warped alternate reality where Time stated the Centro or the Foleo were products of the year, you'd crap in your pants with joy.

We all know you blindly love all things Palm - to the exclusion of better/more advanced/more stable products.

Too bad you're unable to admit your bias!

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 10:19:34 AM # Q
Ed Colligan: Dumbass of the Year
http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/dumbass-of-the-year-ed-colligan/

Brad Stone: Bastard of the Year
http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/bastard-of-the-year/

If my blog was still going, oh, all of you know who would be

Retard of the Year!

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
nastebu @ 11/2/2007 11:08:52 AM # Q
What the Time piece makes clear is that the iPhone is having a massive ripple effect, changing the US cell-phone industry. That is certainly gadget of the year worthy, although next year I'm with Freakout and rooting for the XO laptop. That hasn't had any real world changing effect yet, but it would be so great to see one.

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
BaalthazaaR @ 11/2/2007 11:22:17 AM # Q
Say what you will, but Time lost all credibility IMO when person of the year was a piece of cardboard with a reflective coating.
RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 11:36:55 AM # Q
You must not have been old enough to read then when the Man of the Year was the Personal Computer.

Puhleeze.

Yo, Palm, notice *PDA* never became Man of the Year?

Resign, Colligan!

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
BaalthazaaR @ 11/2/2007 12:36:05 PM # Q
Yes grandpa, could you please pull it out of your safe and read that to me.
RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 3:17:44 PM # Q
No, you young whippersnapper, you must learn to read.

http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Time.MOTY.1982.html

Or just have your damn text-to-speech software read it to you!

Kids these days...!

RE: Time Magazine Names 'Invention of the Year'
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 3:19:02 PM # Q
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iPhone: The Bomb of the Year

mikecane @ 11/2/2007 3:26:45 PM # Q
iPhone, The Bomb of 2007

"The iPhone is nothing more than a luxury bauble that will appeal to a few gadget freaks." — Matthew Lynn, in Bloomberg after the January announcement.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/11/analysts-dont-k.html

So, we have a runner-up for Retard of the Year after all!

RE: iPhone: The Bomb of the Year
mikecane @ 11/2/2007 3:29:28 PM # Q
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Meanwhile...

mikecane @ 11/2/2007 7:02:53 PM # Q
PDAs Back from Dead: HP Ships iPAQ 110 Classic
http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2007/11/2007-11-2-PDAs-Back-from.html
-- $300?!!? As someone here famously says: Giggle.

What Have You People Been Doing All This Time?
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13461
-- Adama, formerly of the Galactica, rips Palm a new one (how many new ones does Palm have now? Holy Swiss Cheese, Batman!)

And that VGAed iPag that's delayed -- yeah, $450. Right. In the Age of the Asus Eee. Good luck with that, hp!

RE: Meanwhile...
twrock @ 11/2/2007 10:11:37 PM # Q
At $300, the 110's hardware isn't significantly different/better than the TX (well, maybe build quality, but that will take some time to see). But it still is a decent offering for people who want a WinMob PDA. The 210 is the unit to really look at, but at $450, the 210 is seriously pricey.

And Adama's letter is just par for the course. As one commenter put it, "Didn't I read this on Engadget back in August?"


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.mepis.org/

RE: Meanwhile...
AdamaDBrown @ 11/3/2007 2:39:15 AM # Q
"Adama, formerly of the Galactica,"

Thank you, Mike. That's very nice of you. :D

Though now I do wonder how many people online assume that that's not my real name.

twrock wrote:
"At $300, the 110's hardware isn't significantly different/better than the TX (well, maybe build quality, but that will take some time to see)."

To be specific, 2x the processor speed and memory (both RAM and flash), half the screen resolution, removable battery, SDHC support. 3.5" screen versus 3.8".

"The 210 is the unit to really look at, but at $450, the 210 is seriously pricey."

It's not entirely clear whether it's going to be $450 or $400. Both prices were listed on the HP site.

Show me a 4" version of the Eee PC with twist-and-flip convertible design and touchscreen, and I'll concur that the iPaq (or TX, or insert target here) is circling the drain. But there's a big value in pocketability. If I can't carry something in my pocket, I might as well be carrying my full size laptop.

RE: Meanwhile...
twrock @ 11/3/2007 4:17:04 AM # Q
Show me a 4" version of the Eee PC with twist-and-flip convertible design and touchscreen, and I'll concur that the iPaq (or TX, or insert target here) is circling the drain. But there's a big value in pocketability. If I can't carry something in my pocket, I might as well be carrying my full size laptop.

And with that, I entirely agree. I just got back from a trip down to a local computer mall. ASUS Eee's everywhere! I fondled one. Conclusion: "Fisher Price Laptop". (I'll comment more elsewhere after I upload a few pics.)


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.mepis.org/
RE: Meanwhile...
mikecane @ 11/3/2007 12:45:46 PM # Q
>>>Show me a 4" version of the Eee PC with twist-and-flip convertible design and touchscreen, and I'll concur that the iPaq (or TX, or insert target here) is circling the drain.

Well, duhhhhh, there was that clamshell Zaurus, which also had a HD. Don't blame me for Sharp lacking the testosterone to make it succeed.

Eh, the new classic iPaq that's out might have half the rez of a TX, but its screen sure kicked the hell out of the screen of my LifeDrive in brightness. See pic here:

http://mikecane.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dl2007064.jpg

-- yes, my LD was on *full* brightness. And no, the worn WriteRight wouldn't have accounted for it being *that* dim. (And yes, both are displaying full-year Calendar.)

Also, it felt like it was made of air. Probably the lightest PDA I've ever handled.

But I poo-poo in the general direction of the iPaqs. Overpriced and now even more niche products than they had been. (The most niche award goes to the ONE-GRAND HTC Advantage. Now there's something that had it been $400 would have been tempting...)

RE: Meanwhile...
AdamaDBrown @ 11/3/2007 7:02:51 PM # Q
"Well, duhhhhh, there was that clamshell Zaurus, which also had a HD. Don't blame me for Sharp lacking the testosterone to make it succeed."

Sure--and there have been other, similar models, like the HTC Universal, Moto MPx, etcetera. But they always boil down to being handhelds of one sort or another, so I don't think it's fair to describe the new iPaqs as "niche" devices compared to the Eee when the Eee is still a size class above pocketable.

RE: Meanwhile...
mikecane @ 11/4/2007 12:30:47 PM # Q
>>>I don't think it's fair to describe the new iPaqs as "niche" devices

But they are!

But so are *all* PDAs now.

Thanks a lot for that, Palm!

BTW: Colligan, RESIGN ALREADY!!

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What a BROKEN search function!

SeldomVisitor @ 11/6/2007 9:02:01 AM # Q
All I want to do is find a recent post by Mike Cane where he pleads Asus to come out with a PDA so I can reply to it with this:

-- http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/06/apple-tablet-confirmed-by-asus/

Crap.


RE: What a BROKEN search function!
mikecane @ 11/8/2007 9:37:28 AM # Q
"pleads"? All I did was state what a news report said.

Next!

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I wonder if he's still with PALM?

SeldomVisitor @ 11/8/2007 7:13:56 AM # Q
RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
mikecane @ 11/8/2007 9:38:47 AM # Q
OMFG!!! ROTFLMAO Big Time!!!! That is just SOOOOO funny!!!

Laugh of the day!!

Thanks!!

RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
hkklife @ 11/8/2007 3:24:41 PM # Q
A while back someone (Mike?) posted a link to Ben's blog where he was hyping up the Fooleo. I've popped in on it periodically to see if there are any useful tidbits on there. According to Ben, Ed C. supposedly still uses his Fooleo regularly and has nothing but praise for it. Ben also gives props to the Asus Eee PC for having such a robust software bundle but says that it gets "noticably warm" during use. If "noticably warm" is the tradeoff for being able to do fullscreen video, YouTube, play 3D-accelerated Quake III etc. then I'll gladly have warm hands!

As far as Ben's lack of commentary on all things Palm-related? My guess is that Rubinstein & co. have quietly put the smack down and told everyone to lead, follow or the get the hell out of Palm. Since the Fooleo is dead Ben's just blogging about the Asus for lack of anything else to talk about...when the nose isn't to the grindstone working to get PLinux polished and shipping in '09.



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
mikecane @ 11/8/2007 5:54:32 PM # Q
Well, if he's not with Palm, he probably had to surrender the Foleo.

I wish he'd make it clear one way or the other, dammit!

And as someone who busted his ass on the Foleo, how many times did his jaw bounce off the floor when he finally started using the Eee and saw the huge difference in functionality (and LOWER price too!)?

RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
hkklife @ 11/8/2007 6:07:14 PM # Q
Methinks he's still with Palm but is playing it very, very low key...both in his discussions of his "status" and in his, ahem, unbridled enthusiasm for the Eee PC.



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
SeldomVisitor @ 11/8/2007 6:27:46 PM # Q
Based off some wbe pages of his (and I have no idea where I saw them) his last EEE thang was a week ago and he said, somewhere,that he was indeed back in secret mode.

RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
Gekko @ 11/8/2007 6:44:19 PM # Q

they have a new sign hanging up at Palm...

"Fooleo 2 or Bust"



RE: I wonder if he's still with PALM?
mikecane @ 11/9/2007 8:50:45 AM # Q
What size bust? (I'm surprised you didn't ask that, Gekko!!)

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Dell Inspiron Mini 9

Gekko @ 9/4/2008 6:05:36 AM # Q

September 4, 2008, 8:00 am

But the company making the boldest move in the mini-note arena might just be Dell, with the release Thursday of its Inspiron Mini 9. (The "9″; presumably refers to the screen size, which is just shy of nine inches diagonal.) Unlike HP, which aims its mini-note at the education market, Dell is pushing its Mini 9 to sophisticated mainstream consumers. A version with Windows XP will sell for $400, and the company promises a Linux version in "a few weeks" starting at $350. They will come with 2 gigabytes of free online storage from Box.net, which users will be able to expand to 25GB.

http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/09/04/dell-bets-on-a-small-laptop/



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