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Palm IncPalm Inc announced its second consecutive quarterly loss today. The company posted a $9.6 million dollar loss for the quarter and missed its initial revenue guidance by more than $20 million dollars. In the conference call with investors and analysts following the earnings release, Palm's CEO Ed Colligan stated the company clearly did not meet expectations primarily due to the delayed certification of the Verizon Treo 755p.
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The Ed and Andy show

wildmantrader @ 12/18/2007 7:57:49 PM # Q
I would say their time is limited and you will only hear about them as studies on the way to destroy a company.

Let the name of Ed and Andy be stricken from every book and tablet...stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Palm. Let the name of Ed and Andy be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of Palm shareholders for all time.

http://www.meredy.com/yulbrynner/bedone.wav

Coming to a Sunnyvale location near you, "The Jon and Fred show"


RE: The Ed and Andy show
craigdts @ 12/18/2007 11:05:29 PM # Q
Wow you've changed your sentiment. I think that one can only get burned so many times by the same company.

RE: The Ed and Andy show
wildmantrader @ 12/18/2007 11:23:20 PM # Q
I am a trust you till you f@#* me over type guy, then I am your worst enemy. At that point I will do everything in my power to make your life miserable or remove you from control. My investment is not upside down as the ROC of $9/share made me more than whole, actually my cost is still negative. These guys just have no idea how to run a company. Ed is the biggest lightweight I have ever listened to in a CC. He needs to get the eye of the tiger and start ripping some a#*. He accepts way too much failure from his employees and demands way to little.
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19 per cent

mikecane @ 12/18/2007 8:38:35 PM # Q
>>>19% handhelds

Soon to be zero, if Ed keeps it up.

Colligan: RESIGN!

RE: 19 per cent
jimn367 @ 12/18/2007 9:29:58 PM # Q
That fact was a huge surprise. Two years after introduction the TX, et al are 20% of their sales and they are just writing the segment off. Look at the interest in the N810 and the new Ipaqs. There is a legitimate, sustainable market for a larger screen PDA. Too bad they don't, or won't, see it. Heck, even a generational update to a TX would be welcome.

RE: 19 per cent
LiveFaith @ 12/19/2007 2:15:45 PM # Q
Mike & Jimn,

I fully concur with your assessments. What on God's green earth are they thinking? Nobody mentioned the iTouch, which is a lightweight compared to the ancient sub-$299 TX in a lot of ways.

If Palm had just listened to a few folks around here 2 years ago concerning keeping the handheld biz going imagine where they would be today. Imagine what % sales would be then. Just visualize freedom from the likes of VZW and it's "delay" of releasing your products. Staples doesn't do that.

If Palm had just listened 4 years ago and just continued to upgrade the T3. Even at their glacial pace, a profitable PDA market would have been owned again by them. No Palm aint got the innovation horsepower to produce something as svelte as the iTouch. But they could not be in process of copying that part while laughing at their wimpy device in comparison to the 2007 model T7 with slim metal body, 600mhz, VGA, 128mb, SD, BT2, Wifi(G), 3.2mp cam, with flash, video cam, voice recorder, web browsing w/ Flash & Java support etc. All this could have been done on rickety old Frankengarnet as we prepared for the release of Palm OS II.

This may sound outlandish, but it's not that far fetched. Had they just taken the T3 (slider form or not) and just incrementally added the features with the same engineers. Nothing radical and nothing outlandish. Just build on previous successes, stabilize and improve old weaknesses, and keep slimming and modernizing the form factor when possible. Even adding some thickness, weight, and a GSM/CDMA functionality would be possible. Seems like somebody out in CA is doing pretty well with a HVGA keyboardless phone right now.

Had they done it, this site would be brimming with news and new posters. Palm would have a strong and probably quite balanced product offering and still a strong presence with it's dying retail channels. Instead we must watch the wheels come off one by one as they abandon a profitable markets and grow stagnant in another.

Hopefully the new management team is going to shake this mess up a bit. Unfortunately, today may be to late to get back in the "PDA" game.

Pat Horne

RE: 19 per cent
BaalthazaaR @ 12/19/2007 5:37:41 PM # Q
Unfortunately, today may be to late to get back in the "PDA" game.

I feel that it is still not too late, providing they focus on quality and innovation(i.e. read this site given that can't seem to come up with anything). They could improve the hardware quality and features and patch up FrankenGarnet(only for the immediate future) with the ability to upgrade the OS for a reasonable fee to the new POS II / PLinux. That could even give them a cash infusion towards completing the POS II / PLinux.

About the possibility, I'd say definitely doable. Probability though is very low, but there is a Flying Pig Marathon in Cincinnati, and that could count as pigs flying (wild imagination required).

RE: 19 per cent
mikecane @ 12/19/2007 7:12:04 PM # Q
Sorry, but no, I must disagree. Garnet is a piece of shit, period. It is buggy, it has destroyed the Palm Ecology, and even trying to graft Classic Graffiti into it produces less-than-satisfaction.

If Palm is foolish enough to still produce the TX and TE, they should (immediately*drop their prices to $49 and $99, because that's all they're worth, period.

Fine, let them put some makeup on those pigs and rebrand them (TZ and, ooops not TF, TG), and then drop the frikkin price (to try to escape the wrath of TE and TX buyers who were dumb enough to just buy them) -- but make them $49 and $99.

And then come back with *real* PDAs when PalmOS The Linux Edition is ready to come out and play.

As for me, I'd rather have a T2 or T3 or maybe even a color Sony OS4 machine over the TE2 and TX -- and especially over my goddammed LifeDrive.

Apple still believes in the 'PDA' .............
buckeyetex315 @ 1/24/2008 10:33:04 AM # Q
Quote from Fortune web article "Apple could shock the naysaysers" (emphasis mine):

Last is the iPod touch. Largely glossed over in Apple’s earnings announcement was the executive team’s emphasis on the fact that the company doesn’t view this thing as just an iPod — it’s a wireless computer. And the iPod touch will fully come into its own at the end of February, when Apple opens the door for outside developers to build software for it. What the iPod touch becomes then is an open question. Will Apple invent a way for it to become a viable gaming platform? Will clever engineers come up with cooking programs, GPS attachments, video recorders, or other ideas to spark demand for the gadget?


http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/01/24/apple-could-shock-the-naysayers/?source=yahoo_quote

Brent

Palm Vx --> Long wait --> Palm T|X

RE: 19 per cent
mikecane @ 1/24/2008 3:08:12 PM # Q
Is Apple’s Tablet The iPod Air?
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/is-apples-tablet-the-ipod-air/

Buh-bye, Palm.

Colligan: RESIGN!!

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some interesting bits from the transcript

freakout @ 12/19/2007 3:49:48 AM # Q
Full transcript from Seeking Alpha: http://tinyurl.com/2ojktf

These were two bits that interested me:

500v not going Stateside:

Larry Harris - Oppenheimer

Thank you. A question about the Treo 500 that’s available with Vodafone in international markets. I just want to understand. Right now that’s a triband phone and am I correct in assuming that there are no plans to make it a quad band that could make it available here in theUS.

Ed Colligan

It is a triband phone and there are no plans at this stage to make it a quad band available inthe US. We are taking it to other markets internationally but it will not be available in the US.

Colligan says Garnet stinks, better hardware coming (but we've heard that noise before):

Michael Abramsky - RBC Capital Markets

Thanks very much. The manufacturing and product qualification issues that you talked about, they seem a little surprising in view of the fact that you have already been inthe game serving carriers, making SmartPhones, for some time, particularly since the product qualifications related to 755P and not the Centro which is more of a newer, seems to be a bit of a newer design. So shouldn’t these be resolved by now? How significant arethe problems behind those issues and what is your effort underway to resolve them?

Ed Colligan

Well Mike, I think they should be resolved by now. I’m as disappointed as you are in not being able to deliver this product. There’s nothing in my mind that’s an acceptable excuse for it. We should have done it. The reality is one of the things we’re dealing with that I think is reasonably unique relative to at least the SmartPhone suppliers is we have an older operating system here that is sometimes in certain multi-tasking situations is challenged relative to standard network performance issues. It is not challenged from the standpoint of end-user functionality and what end-users seein the product. In fact the Centro that runs the Palm OS is an incredibly stable, well-received, well-liked product. But when you get into the network certification area, and you’re testing against standard devices that the carriers use as kind of reference devices or benchmark devices, some of those do have real time operating systems and multi-tasking situations that allow them to perform certain network operations more efficiently. We’ve gotten caught up on that. We should be over the top of dealing with those issues. We do everything we can to work with the certification houses atthe carriers to make sure that it doesn’t happen, that we don’t miss deadlines. In this particular instance we weren’t able to get over the top on that. Now there are real issues that exist that are still in bug databases and things that are going on that we have to come through and make sure they’re not real issues before we’re going to ship the product and that’s really what happened here. There were things that were reported towards the end. It turned out that they were not issues and the product and the quality product is shipping and it is something that could have in hindsight shipped earlier, but that’s not what we were able to do without chasing and bringing all those things to ground. I think one of the issues is we have a reasonably narrow product line today and so one miss with one carrier hasa big impact on us. We have to build a broader array of products. We have to get more consistent about it. We have to get to the next generation operating system so that we don’t have some of those underlying issues from a network performance perspective and that’s what we’re doing.

Michael Abramsky - RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. How dramatic do you think the changes are now needed in your product lineup to reverse the fortunes that you’re in. I imagine there’s some rumors you have some WiFi and GPS based designs coming and what you’ve been issuing so far perhaps other than Centro is adjustments to the current form factor. Do you see a major need for new revolutionary designs, slimmer form factors, and perhaps a permanent move down market to $199 level pricing in order to get where you want to go?

Ed Colligan

Absolutely. We’re done with adjustments. That’s not happening anymore. The products we’re working on are all breakthrough form factors and designs. There are certain areas where you are extending a product line or there’s existing product line and we’re taking it to the next step. You don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater and we’re going “We’ll extend that design center.” But we’re working on absolutely breakthrough designs, breakthrough user experience, breakthrough UI and other functionality on next generation systems, so we’re as I said we’re not stopping at anything short of revolutionary and fantastic design on at least our next generation platform products and in addition to that we will continue to deliver products on the Windows Mobile platform again that we’re driving towards world-class design on and nothing short of that so that’s what we’re working on and you’ll have to see those things and make that judgment when they come out. We also feel like we’ve set a very compelling price point with Centro. It has been really well-received in the marketplace. That’s innovation in a different way, taking a lot of functionality and packaging it in a compelling package at a great price point. We will continue to do that as well.



Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
jackpipe @ 12/19/2007 5:34:53 AM # Q
They need a BROADER product base? Is Ed a ****ing idiot or what?

So they have, lets see, 3 operating systems (windows, palmos, and fooleo loonix, and that's not including the palmsource one that got canned, and oh, the access linux platform that they were going to be using).

They have 2 radio standards to certify against (cdma and GSM, and no doubt 3g at some future point)

Then they have the treo range, the handheld range (both TXs and the like, and the low end ones), the centro range, and soon the fooleo range.

They are right there are gaps; the centro is palmos, cdma. The treo 500 is windows GSM. Where's my palmos GSM?

But honestly, they need to do an apple here, not a Nokia. Create one, or perhaps two, insanely great platforms, with a slew of variations on them (the iphone and ipod touch come to mind; different products, but a huge sharing of the basic platform).

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2007 8:38:51 AM # Q
Colligan was totally unambiguous about what to expect by the end of 2008:

== "...Jonathan Goldberg - Deutsche Bank
==
== So you’re still on target for the end of ’08 in the operating system?
==
== Andrew J. Brown
==
== As far as the operating system is concerned, I don’t like to get
== into specific dates, but I think the answer is as far as the
== operating system is concerned, yes..."

[The transcript is wrong about who said it, I think, so I'm sticking with "Colligan said" without listening again to the actual recording]

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
jca666us @ 12/19/2007 8:44:41 AM # Q
palm is nearly dead at this point - any guesses as to how low the stock will go today?

It should easily dip into the $4 range

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2007 8:49:25 AM # Q
When it goes below $5 there are (usually negative) ramifications beyond mere PALM-the-stock valuation.

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
rmhurdman @ 12/19/2007 9:46:13 AM # Q
"There’s nothing in my mind that’s an acceptable excuse for it. We should have done it. The reality is one of the things we’re dealing with that I think is reasonably unique relative to at least the SmartPhone suppliers is we have an older operating system here that is sometimes in certain multi-tasking situations is challenged relative to standard network performance issues."

In other words: there's no excuse, but I'm using our aged operating system as an excuse.

Then he goes on to say that it shipped with known bugs, which Palm had determined were not really "issues", or worth being fixed. No wonder I don't want to own any Palm hardware or software any more.

Ed Colligan just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
BaalthazaaR @ 12/19/2007 10:35:33 AM # Q

But we’re working on absolutely breakthrough designs, breakthrough user experience, breakthrough UI and other functionality on next generation systems,

Doesn't he mean "But we’re working on absolutely breaking designs, breaking the user loyalty, breaking UI and other functionality on next generation systems,

That’s innovation in a different way, taking a lot of functionality and packaging it in a compelling package at a great price point.

Yeah we can't think of any other features to innovate away so lets bring down the price a bit and pretend that is innovative. We really thought that one up by ourselves.

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
LiveFaith @ 12/19/2007 2:19:45 PM # Q
Time for the vacuum packs and placement over in the calculator section Ed. Get to it.

Pat Horne
RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
hkklife @ 12/19/2007 4:05:08 PM # Q
The original Pilot was definitely a breakthrough design.

The Palm V--and a generation later, the m500 perfected it--was an icon AND a breakthrough design.

The Visor Edge was a sleeper hit and almost was a breakthrough design.

And Handspring's Treo 600 was a breakthrough design that still had a few bugs that the 755p finally ironed out (about 2 years too late but still...).

The iPhone is definitely a breakthrough design that's still a work in progress (No removable memory slot? Come on!)

Now, Ed, WOULDN'T it be easier to craft a breakthrough design on a PDA first so that you can test the waters without having to wait for FCC approval and then carrier approval/testing?

Finally, I don't believe a bit of that "75pp delayed by Verizon's testing" story. Sprint runs on CDMA and so does Verizon. If Sprint saw that the 755p was fit to ship " as is" back in May than I think it was purely a $ negotiation/pissing match type of situation between Palm & Verizon. Verizon feels burned by the under-spec'd 700w and again by the hideous 700p ROM update fiasco and has never been a huge POS fan even in the days of the Treo 600. I think Verizon has had the 755p's sitting in a warehouse for months (look at the dated app bundle & ROM contents for proof of that) and has just been haggling and feuding with Palm ever since. At any rate, I'm more intrigued by Ed's comments about "Palm OS productS" in 2008.


Let's see....GSM centro--check. What else can there be? GSM & POS are a no-go save for budget-oriented EDGE devices and the Centro/680 more than adequately fulfills that niche. So that leaves.....either an 800p or a slightly higher-end handset than the 755p for CDMA, or a PDA refresh.
Personally, I think Ed is just being vague and inducing false optimism and the GSM Centro is indeed the final Garnet-based product we'll ever see.


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
buckeyetex315 @ 12/20/2007 5:48:55 PM # Q
^^ @ LiveFaith

The voice recorder section is EXACTLY where BestBuy now has the Palm PDA products in S. Austin TX stores - and on the back wall of the store to boot. They don't even have actual working demos anymore, just the wooden ones.

With the upcoming demise of CompUSA, I'm not sure anyone has actual working unit in retail stores any longer.


Palm Vx --> Long wait --> Palm T|X

RE: some interesting bits from the transcript
hkklife @ 12/20/2007 7:41:38 PM # Q
Franklin Covey stores still do, AFAIK. Other than that, no one else other than the Palm kiosks/stores.....hmmm, I cannot think of any major chains.

Well, I think SOME Staples stores in SOME markets still do. The last Staples I visited, there was a Z22 (working) on display, a T|E2 actual unit that didn't work, NO TX's, and a single WinMob unit remaining (didn't check it to see if it was functional).


I'm in hillbilly country--anyone with a Fry's near them been there lately to see if they still stock Palm's stuff?


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

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WTF did Colligan say?

mikecane @ 12/19/2007 10:15:52 AM # Q
Let's see (quoted from above transcript):

>>>But we’re working on absolutely breakthrough designs, breakthrough user experience, breakthrough UI and other functionality on next generation systems, so we’re as I said we’re not stopping at anything short of revolutionary and fantastic design on at least our next generation platform products

WTF?!

Would this guy KNOW a breakthrough if it broke through his skull?!

Let's examine the record:

http://mikecane.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/dumbass-of-the-year-ed-colligan/

Yeah, right. Not holding MY breath!

RE: WTF did Colligan say?
LiveFaith @ 12/19/2007 2:20:45 PM # Q
Palm OS II will never ship in a functional retail product.

Pat Horne
RE: WTF did Colligan say?
mikecane @ 12/19/2007 7:27:28 PM # Q
What are you talking about? The *current* PalmOS doesn't ship in any functional products, either. You thought you had news?!

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Resign Culligan!

tryingtoquit @ 12/19/2007 2:09:11 PM # Q
How can that nit-wit (can I say this on line) ignore 19% of his market. This when he does everything he can to make us forget the TX ever existed. We do not want your smartphone in a box, we do not want it with a fox. We would not want it on a train how can we make it any more plane. Give us a TX2!

RE: Resign Culligan!
LiveFaith @ 12/19/2007 2:23:40 PM # Q
Be careful whatcha ask for round here. The TX2 may come in at $299, 1 inch thick, 320x320 screen, bundled with a mail-in rebate for a free Palm branded 32mb SD card. :-o

Pat Horne
RE: Resign Culligan!
hkklife @ 12/19/2007 3:49:53 PM # Q
Pat;

Don't forget the extra holiday bonus on that TX2 of a free gold-colored Palm stylus thrown in alongside the 32mb SD card! :-)



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Resign Culligan!
mikecane @ 12/19/2007 7:26:41 PM # Q
They should each come with a personally-signed letter of resignation from Colligan.

Then I'd buy two!

RE: Resign Culligan!
wildmantrader @ 12/19/2007 11:31:13 PM # Q
If it would get his resignation, I'd buy ten.
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Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm

mikecane @ 12/19/2007 7:05:42 PM # Q
I just emailed this mini-fondle report around:

I got an email today from J&R saying they'd gotten in the Asus EeePC. Since I was going to be in the city today, I decided to stop by there on the rare chance of being able to drool ^h^h^h^h^h fondle one.

But they didn't have one on display. They had FOUR!

One was the black 4GB version. The other 3 were the $299 versions (512 RAM/2GB storage) -- and these were white with *color* covers! One light blue, one light pink, one light green.

Plastic: The plastic is *not* at all toy-like. It is a very thick, solid material with a slight texture for anti-slip. Not reflective at all!

Weight: Wow, it is light! And tiny. Of course these didn't have the batteries in them -- running off AC -- but LiON batteries are generally featherweight, so the overall weight would still be just remarkable.

Finish: Except for one point -- coming up -- the build quality was just *excellent*. Really, for that price it just slayed PDAs similarly-priced. This is a high-quality product. No rough edges, everything fit together well. And the hinge was great too.

Keyboard: Oh boy, here it comes. Several points here. First, yes, it is tiny, and my first attempts at typing were filled with typos. As I progressed and this time took more care, the typos decreased. I think I could get used to that keyboard, but I'd have a slower speed in the beginning.

Now here's the bad thing about the keyboard. The keys are apparently attached in their center and there is some lateral wobble to them. What this means is that the keytops can all go off a straight line. And believe me, it looks *ugly*. In fact, looking at the keys all askew, I was getting *dizzy*! This effect was *very* pronounced with the white keyboard. On the black keyboard, the same effect is greatly muted (I think due to the shadows sinking into the overall blackness and therefore counteracting the skew). God, I just couldn't live with that white keyboard. I'd get nauseous having to look at it!!

I went through the interface tabs. Launched OpenOffice's WP and typed into that. I didn't think OO was slow to launch. And I was using the *$299* model. I also opened Firefox, but WiFi wasn't on (and I wasn't going to hog time on the machine with other people there, plus I had other things to do today).

I didn't have any problem using the trackpad. It was responsive and accurate. The edge click-thing was a bit off -- it tended to register a press as a double press. There is probably something in Settings to select the sensitivity, but I didn't get to that.

Some people had used the webcam to record themselves, so I got to test video playback that way. The cam capture was *very* good and the speakers were *loud* (and remember this was in crowded J&R!).

Oh the screen -- it's just *gorgeous*. I don't care that it's only 7". It was very bright, displayed great color variation, and text was *sharp*.

My overall reaction is: SANTA, BRING ME ONE!! (The BLACK one, dammit!)

It was speedy, it was shocking. Asus has created a *revolution* here. Notebook prices can *never* be the same after this. In fact, if I was Sony, I'd consider this One Big Wake Up Call. Sony has put out similarly-sized units. Why can't they do one to compete with the Asus? It doesn't have to have the same specs, but they could do something for $750 instead of their usual **$1500-$2000-plus** for that size.

If you haven't thought of buying one, you should. This thing screams Must Buy all over it.

===================

If Jeff Hawkins has *any* self-respect (and any relationship to reality), he should be thoroughly *ashamed* that he tried to shill that underpowered Foleo to us. Asus has done it just about right. I'd like a better keyboard, but I could live with the one it currently has (though dear god not not not the white one!). It'll only be a matter of time before Asus is, uh, influenced by the Foleo's standard-sized keyboard and uses that idea. For all intents and purposes, the EeePC has killed the Foleo. Palm would be idiots to try to compete. They have nothing to offer.

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
oneniner @ 12/22/2007 6:34:15 AM # Q
Yeah, I actually got one of the eee PCs the other day, and I must say - VERY IMPRESSED.
Got a black one. I went into Myer in Sydney and had a look at the white demo model. The sign said they were out of stock, and I asked the guy behind the counter "how long". Mid January was the reply. So I asked "any other colours available?". Yes - they had a couple of black ones out the back (!!!!).
ANYWAY....got it home, and yes it's beautiful. Very good quality, apart from the mouse click for the touch pad. This doesn't seem to be terribly well executed, so I just tap the pad instead.
So I boot it up, and about 16 seconds later we're in business....the interface looks very Palm, with tabs for all applications - Internet, Work, Learn, Play, Setting, Favourites. I haven't wored out how to change the location of the loaded apps on the tabs, but the Favourites (well, it's spelt 'Favorites') allows you to place any app shortcut there.
Like Mike I found the keyboard a bit small, but as I'm not a touch typer, this was not a huge thing for me. The touchpad is very sensitive (again, not sure where the settings for that is, as it is not on the settings tab), but I did plug in a MS wireless mouse that works a treat.
Three USB ports; an SD, Micro SD, etc port, VGA out - which, by the way, allows yous to use a normal screen with internal and external, or just external screen on, and a selection of resolutions - plus line for mic and speakers.
Apps include browser (Firefox), mail (Thunderbird), word, spreadsheets, PDF viewer (Open Office), paint, video manager, music, webcam, messenger, dictionary, games, etc. Lots of stuff under the hood.
You can add additional programs, but the "personalisation" is limited to colour scheme.
I also updated my wireless broadband (through Vodafone) from PC card to USB modem, and gave that a shot. Very easy setup. Broke it open in the car on the way home from the Vodafone store, and buy the second set of stop lights I had internet connection. The system also allows for dial-up, but I don't like sticling forks in my eyes....
Why did I get it?
I work for a small company that supplies on-line workflow systems. I have to do a bit of travel, and I hate having to lug a laptop around for presentations and checking email in the hotel room. I was looking forward to the Foleo, as I believe it would have been perfect for my job - so I could ditch the laptop, buy a desktop (as I do development work and need to access databases) and use a portable to access the web and email.
The eee PC fits the gap nicely, and the boss is going to buy one for all the guys for that very reason.
Note that I don't want an all singing, all dancing machine - if I did, I would use the laptop - I just need something that I can open and check emails quickly, edit proposals, demonstrate a website, and do so without having to carry around a large backpack.
I think Jeff Hakins was right in his assesment of the future of mobile comms and work platforms.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
Sir Winston Churchill

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
mikecane @ 12/23/2007 9:19:24 AM # Q
>>>so I just tap the pad instead.

Oh, I hadn't thought of that! Hmmm... can you do multitouch? Two fingers downward to scroll a web page, like a MacBook?

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/23/2007 9:45:31 AM # Q
Install a touchscreen and tap the display instead of that dinky touchpad:

-- http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/12/asus-eee-pc-with-touch-screen.html

[as a related aside - it's pretty amazing to this reader how fast cool mods - software and hardware - are coming out for the EEE. Looks like Asus has a humongous winner with the geek-REAL-hacker crowd.]

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
mikecane @ 12/23/2007 2:49:35 PM # Q
Will you stop dredging up old news. Geez...

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/23/2007 3:15:01 PM # Q
There's a consignment shop near me named "New to You" (*). Same thing applies to that EEE touchscreen when someone dredges up touch capability.

======

(*) There's probably a consignment shop near everyone named "New to You"...

RE: Asus EeePC: A Small Niche Product
Gekko @ 12/23/2007 8:44:49 PM # Q

this is a small niche product with a dubious market. just because it's your dream device doesn't mean the masses will buy it. IMO, it suffers from the Fooleo-syndrome.

BlackBerry and iPhone are the real threats to Palm.

now stop acting so silly.

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
twrock @ 12/24/2007 2:42:32 AM # Q
1. The masses are buying it.
2. It would have been a competitor to the Foleo, if Palm had released the Foleo.
3. Agreed that since Blackberry and the iPhone are direct competitors to Palm's smartphone line, they are the real threat to Palm's survival, not the Eee PC.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 6:51:05 AM # Q
> this is a small niche product with a dubious market...

Perhaps true.

However...

I'm heading to the store TODAY (member of The Procrastinator's Club?) with my youngish daughter to see if I can see one, though admittedly not necessarily buy one.

For her.

Because she doesn't play local-based games or do much of anything uSoft-PCish on our rocket. She surfs a lot, plays downloaded music, sends way too many e-greeting cards, and plays a LOT of web-based (probably java-based) games.

I have a slight feeling the relatively-small size of the EEE just might fit her to a T (indeed, my only concern would be the small screen size, not the small keyboard size).

And I'd bet there are quite a few parents out there thinking along the same line for that first personal computer for their kid(s).

Ease of use - check.

Kid-sized - check (but we'll see what the kid says of that).

Relatively inexpensive - check.

Safe from computer viruses - check (pretty much).

Can do what needs to be done, even doc processing - check.

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
Gekko @ 12/24/2007 9:48:20 AM # Q

it's a waste of money that will collect dust unless it's running windows or mac os.



RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 9:59:50 AM # Q
I don't see how the OS that a toaster is running is important to the job that the toaster needs to perform.

As noted in my response on this thread, everything The Kidlet needs to do (plus more, of course) is done well by the EEE.

Plus she wants a blue laptop... http://tinyurl.com/yqhfs6


RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
Gekko @ 12/24/2007 10:07:28 AM # Q

that device with the non-standard OS will put the kidlet out there on a island all alone. standards and compatibility are king. soon after purchase, this will become painfully evident.

good luck and Merry Christmas.



RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 10:12:06 AM # Q
Ah, I see - you think it'll be the ONLY computer she uses.

No, it will be HER computer to use where she wants. But the other (two) are still there for anything else (albeit one is already Linux-based). And, of course, here in Fairfax the Spoiled Little Brats are used to computers in school, as well.


RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
Gekko @ 12/24/2007 10:16:29 AM # Q

superfluous, extraneous, redundant purchase,waste of money purchase, IMO. put the money in the kid's 529 plan instead.

to each his own.

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 10:20:34 AM # Q
Lol!

You haven't seen her Webkinz collection...

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
oneniner @ 12/24/2007 12:20:02 PM # Q
Actually, all of the included software allows you to open the "standard" MS Office documents (apart from MS Access).

But if you want Windows, the eee PC can run Windows. In the user manual, it even details how to load it - plus there is a re-build CD if you want to take the PC back to it's original software.

All you need is an external CDROM with USB.

I was thinking of upgrading(??) it to Windows over the holiday period to see how it runs. My guess is that the 15 second boot time will be significantly longer....

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
Sir Winston Churchill

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 12:49:25 PM # Q
>>>this is a small niche product with a dubious market. just because it's your dream device doesn't mean the masses will buy it. IMO, it suffers from the Fooleo-syndrome.

Gekko, simple question: Are you drunk or just fekkin INSANE?!

This is THE hottest product this holiday season -- WORLDfrikkinWIDE. The *iPhone* isn't even worldwide yet. Asus is shipping these things as fast as they can be made. If Palm had this product, they'd be sitting on a fat bank account and their stock would *skyrocket*.

It *can* run XP. Someone has even put a stripped-down version of that abomination VISTA on it.

And, in fact, Asus will soon be shipping a version with XP already installed.

Next month, Everex responds with the Cloudbook for just about the same price and form factor -- but with a *30GB* HD in it. Running that gOS, but you can bet your asslet that will be stripped off the first day and people will instruct eejits (like me!) how to crowbar XP into it.

So enjoy your fugly boat-anchor sized and weighted hp/Compaq freeze-and-die budget herniatop. The rest of the world knows a damned good thing when it sees it.

RE: Asus EeePC: The head shot to Palm
freakout @ 1/24/2008 3:27:01 AM # Q
I bought an eee on a whim today after fiddling with one at Harvey Norman. posting from it right now, actually. I like it a lot - the teensy little keyboard only takes half an hour or so to adjust to - really just forces you to travel your fingers a lot less, but you can still rest them fairly comfortably on the home row.

Runs pretty snappily, screen is very readable and i can use it outside. and it fits in my backpack. Worth every cent! (so far)

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I told you all Android was sh*t! WSJ says so too!

mikecane @ 12/19/2007 7:25:27 PM # Q
Glitches Bug Google's Android Software
By SCOTT MORRISON
December 19, 2007; Page B5

SAN FRANCISCO -- Google Inc. claims its Android mobile-phone software will usher in a new era of wireless communications. But for developers like Adam MacBeth, Android has so far brought headaches and frustration.

Mr. MacBeth said he spent weeks trying to write programs for Google's much hyped mobile-phone software, but the Seattle-based engineer and entrepreneur found the developers' tool kit full of bugs.

"Functionality is not there, is poorly documented or just doesn't work. It's clearly not ready for prime time," said Mr. MacBeth, who earlier this year helped found mobile software start-up MergeLab.

Complaints about new software aren't unusual, but a sizable number of developers -- the very people Google hopes will add the bells and whistles to its mobile-phone software -- are complaining that the tool kit is plagued by coding errors. Google, they said, has been largely unresponsive.

===================

But hey, Colligan, that doesn't let YOU off the hook. RESIGN, dammit! RESIGN NOW! RESIGN TWICE so we can make sure you're GONE FOR GOOD!! RESIGN and LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!

RE: I told you all Android was sh*t! WSJ says so too!
Gekko @ 12/23/2007 9:03:58 PM # Q

another win for MSFT.

RE: I told you all Android was sh*t! WSJ says so too!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 7:02:20 AM # Q
> ...Complaints about new software aren't unusual...

Anyone ever hear of uSoft being engaged in a FUD campaign?

Nah...

RE: I told you all Android was sh*t! WSJ says so too!
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 12:53:40 PM # Q
>>>another win for MSFT.

Like Vista was?

Ha. Ha. and HA!

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Vampire Lestat - My take.

VampireLestat @ 12/19/2007 9:30:52 PM # Q
Palm OS is a very good OS. It merely needs multi-tasking. That is planned for Palm OS over Linux.

I liked Colligan's honest admission of fault in the not getting the latest Treo out in time.

I liked his comment that they are done tweaking designs in a minor way. Like someone here loves to say: "Stop putting lipstick on the pig." LOL I always love that saying.

I liked what Colligan said about, like back in the days when Palm had multiple lines of products (zire, tungsten, treo, etc), having an understanding about the need to have a broader product range. This might open the door to new PDAs, speciality PDAs (gps, mp3, video, ruggedized, etc) and different kinds of PDA-phones.

RE: Vampire Lestat - My take.
VampireLestat @ 12/19/2007 9:34:20 PM # Q
And I like that he talks about WM last. The worst thing Ed Colli-flower-gan can do now is reveals hints that Palm is looking to dump Palm OS 5 or any future variant based on Linux.

RE: Vampire Lestat - My take.
SeldomVisitor @ 12/20/2007 5:03:18 AM # Q
> ...That is planned for Palm OS over Linux...

!!!

Please show us one plan - or even statement of a plan - that PALM intend-ED or, more importantly, STILL intends to produce and support legacy PalmOS applications on their new OS coming end of year 2008.

I have seen one (pair of?) slides that suggested PALM wanted to do SOMETHING with SOMETHING PalmOS-related, but it and every single following word I've heard and read =OUT OF PALM= say absolutely nothing concrete.

RE: Vampire Lestat - My take.
mikecane @ 12/20/2007 9:04:27 AM # Q
SV --> Why even bother? Hello, McFly?

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These spins will make you dizzy!

mikecane @ 12/20/2007 4:30:10 PM # Q
'Breakthrough' Palm devices coming soon
http://tinyurl.com/235ucp

Palm does not believe that Windows Mobile is any good for consumer market
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6980.html


RE: These spins will make you dizzy!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/20/2007 6:43:36 PM # Q
The only problem with those "breakthrough devices coming soon" is that Colligan et al didn't say that. The Me-Too Media article says they said that, but the Me-Too Media article is simply wrong.

PALM didn't say WM was not good for the consumer market - what they said - and what everyone knows - is PALM fell flat on their face when trying to sell into the ENTERPRISE market with t eir PalmOS phones and have given up on it, instead selling WM phones there and trying to sell PalmOS phones into the consumer space.

RE: These spins will make you dizzy!
mikecane @ 12/21/2007 11:44:01 AM # Q
What are you doing, providing translation/analysis for the brain dead?

Really, my headline framed it wonderfully.

Then you came along...

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Bloated PIC ads

mikecane @ 12/24/2007 12:51:03 PM # Q
WTF kind of ads are being served on PIC now?! *Every* damned session here I wind up getting an hourglass, clicking, and having Firefox temporarily freeze up on me.

Is anyone else getting this crap?

RE: Bloated PIC ads
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 12:51:44 PM # Q
Oh, and on a per-K basis, I'd bet the amount of *ad* data is not *exceeding* the *data* data here.

Major Suck, Ryan!

RE: Bloated PIC ads
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 12:52:14 PM # Q
EFFIN TYPO! not = NOW

GRRRRR!

RE: Bloated PIC ads
Gekko @ 12/24/2007 12:56:48 PM # Q

no problems here. maybe you should upgrade from win95/pentium I and a dial up ISP?

RE: Bloated PIC ads
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 1:14:17 PM # Q
No problems here!

But I use AdBlock...

RE: Bloated PIC ads
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2007 1:15:38 PM # Q
BTW - ya wanna see some major slowdown go visit Engadget.

It brings this 3.4GHz p4 to its knees unblocked.

RE: Bloated PIC ads
Surur @ 12/24/2007 1:35:08 PM # Q
Every* damned session here I wind up getting an hourglass, clicking, and having Firefox temporarily freeze up on me.

Mike, browsing with your EeePC will do that...

Surur

RE: Bloated PIC ads
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 2:57:43 PM # Q
I am on a 1.8GHz Celeron! Not an EeePC, dammit.

Everyone else using Fox?

RE: Bloated PIC ads
Admin @ 12/24/2007 3:28:10 PM # Q
Mike, if you can let me know the specific ad I will see about blocking it. Please keep in mind though without the ads the site would not be here. I think we do a good job of keeping a relative balance compared to a lot of other sites out there.

-Ryan

RE: Bloated PIC ads
abosco @ 12/24/2007 4:25:37 PM # Q
I am on a 1.8GHz Celeron!

You get what you pay for.

I'm on Firefox using a 2.0 GHz Pentium M and PIC is relatively quick.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Bloated PIC ads
mikecane @ 12/24/2007 5:50:31 PM # Q
I can't pinpoint the ad. I am too busy trying to read *PIC*.

And you, abosco, back to your iPhone! Damned kidz...

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Merry Christmas!

Surur @ 12/25/2007 7:57:34 AM # Q

Merry Christmas to all PIC'ers :)

Surur

RE: Merry Christmas!
Ryan @ 12/25/2007 11:36:35 AM # Q
Best wishes for a Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas everyone!
RE: Merry Christmas!
Gekko @ 12/25/2007 3:42:24 PM # Q

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!!



RE: Merry Christmas!
mikecane @ 12/26/2007 1:15:12 PM # Q
I didn't get what I want, damn that Santa.

No announcement of Colligan exiting Palm!!

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