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New Palm Inc LogoPalm Inc. today reported their sixth consecutive quarterly loss. After pre-announcing significant declines, Palm reported total revenue of $191.6 million with a net loss of $(508.6) million. The larger than usual loss was primarily inflated by a $396.7 million tax provision charge on its U.S. deferred tax assets. On a non-GAAP basis the net loss was still a staggering $(80.2), or $(0.73) per diluted share.

The company also saw a massive contraction in smartphone sell-through, which was down 42% (or about 400k units) from the previous quarter and declined nearly 12% from a year earlier. Stating "We're working through an undeniably difficult period," Palm CEO Ed Colligan squarely placed the blame on the maturing Palm OS line and Centro products combined with the extremely tough economic climate.

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Goodbye Palm PDA

TooMuch @ 12/18/2008 4:22:01 PM # Q
Sounds like there is no replacement for the TX on the horizon.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
PacManFoo @ 12/18/2008 5:09:18 PM # Q
Although those units are three years old, the damn things just keep selling. We won't make anything new though because obviously no one wants handhelds.

The last known classic PDA user.
RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/18/2008 5:20:46 PM # Q

welcome to 2004. let it go.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
PacManFoo @ 12/18/2008 5:46:12 PM # Q
Don't tell me, tell those people still buying PDA's!!

The last known classic PDA user.
RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
abosco @ 12/18/2008 10:30:36 PM # Q
welcome to 2004. let it go.

How do you characterize the success of the iPod Touch? Couldn't Palm have done that?

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
mikecane @ 12/19/2008 5:17:39 AM # Q
Shhhhh, abosco. Never try to teach a Gekko to see reality. It can't be done and it only annoys the lizard.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 5:21:29 AM # Q

iPod Touch is not a PDA! it's an iPod!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
margerum @ 12/19/2008 5:41:45 AM # Q
What would make it a pda? It has pim apps and can run 3rd party applications. I consider the ipod touch a pda and a dam good one at that.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 5:46:38 AM # Q

the ipod and the zune are MEDIA PLAYERS and 99.9% of the people that buy them use them as MEDIA PLAYERS and NOT as PDAs.

Palm already attempted this once and created the LIFEDRIVE and failed.

secondly, no way is palm going to create a media player that beats ipod. not device-wise, not ecosystem wise, and not coolness factor wise.

IMO, palm's only hope is great unique smartphone + great unique services = great unique experience. anything half-assed will FAIL.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
PacManFoo @ 12/19/2008 7:02:01 AM # Q
>>>iPod Touch is not a PDA! it's an iPod!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck......


>>>Palm already attempted this once and created the LIFEDRIVE and failed.

I'm not sure even Palm knew what the hell they were trying to attempt with the Lifedrive.



The last known classic PDA user.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
SFO_TXUSR @ 12/19/2008 8:55:47 AM # Q
The concept that the LifeDrive presented was valid. The problem with that unit was the execution. If Palm had got the execution right the first time around, the product would have sold and we would see a second generation PDA now.

The lesson Palm needs to learn from that experience is to get whatever they are going to release right, support it properly, and grow the market. Unfortunately, all of that takes money that they may not have now, and may not be able to get later. So I wish them luck, but I, for one, am not too optimistic.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 8:58:39 AM # Q

if the PDA - Personal Digital Assistant - market was actually a viable market, someone would be in it making money. however, the market is dead because very, very few people in the world want to buy a PDA vs. a smartphone.

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 10:17:29 AM # Q

for all you PDA mourners -


Goodbye, PDA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IileCvZTEI



RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
abosco @ 12/19/2008 4:17:00 PM # Q
Couldn't Palm have created a device much like the iPod Touch with the Lifedrive?

Their execution sucked. It's not that the market isn't there. It's that Palm sucks at making products people want to buy. The PDA market still exists, and it's still very large, despite what you think.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Goodbye Palm PDA
Gekko @ 12/20/2008 7:56:44 AM # Q

there is a big IPOD market out there. if you think that Palm can make a BETTER IPOD and has a STRONGER BRAND and a STRINGER ECOSYSTEM than APPLE, then yes, Palm should get into the IPOD business.

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wrong again

Gekko @ 12/18/2008 5:26:11 PM # Q
>Colligan did reaffirm that the first products would ship sometime before the end of Palm's fiscal 2009 (late June) as has been planned. He did let slip a small detail about the new product as he actually referred to the unit specially as a "Phone".

MikeCon, wrong again

RE: wrong again
mikecane @ 12/18/2008 5:34:01 PM # Q
Not wrong, not yet.

Why aren't you crying over your 401K, anyway?

RE: wrong again
SeldomVisitor @ 12/18/2008 5:47:47 PM # Q
> ...He did let slip a small detail about the new product
> as he actually referred to the unit specially as a "Phone"...

Indeed, this is the first itme that I can remember that it was not referred to as a "device":

== "...Our new platform is nearing completion and our first next
== generation phone is set for launch in the first half of calendar
== year '09 as planned..."

RE: wrong again
AdamaDBrown @ 12/18/2008 6:37:43 PM # Q
Does anyone else think that this sounds a little odd? They're doing the big even at the beginning of January, but they're still not willing to commit to anything more than "first half" of next year for product. It makes me think that either the rumors are wrong, and they're not going to be demoing an actual device in January, or else they haven't got a carrier signed on yet.

RE: wrong again
Gekko @ 12/18/2008 6:42:41 PM # Q

i expect a smoke and mirrors demo something like this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPipGn7JmMM

RE: wrong again
hkklife @ 12/18/2008 6:49:05 PM # Q
1. Device(s) isn't ready
2. OS isn't ready but they are scrambling to port Negal's Cobalt Clock demo to Nova in time for its big CES unveiling.
3. No carriers are onboard yet
4. No developers are onboard other than Dataviz for DTG & Astraware for Solitaire & Bejeweled


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: wrong again
Gekko @ 12/18/2008 6:52:24 PM # Q

look! it can multitask playing a midi in the background! look! see the shadow on the second hand!!!

now THIS is innovation!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: wrong again
Gekko @ 12/18/2008 7:11:13 PM # Q

most infamous moments in palm history

1. "yes this really is a gold threaded suit." - yankowski
2. "look at the shadow on the second hand, cobalt really is amazing." - nagel
3. "they're not going to just walk in." - colligan
4. "no, foleo can't do youtube but i wish it has a faster processor." - hawkins

im sure there's more.

RE: wrong again
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2008 3:59:40 AM # Q
(1) I, too, think it's gonna be smoke-n-mirrors and the equivalent of slides rather than hands-on.

(2) Palm hasn't said ANYTHING about what is happening January 6th - only the Me-Too Media, blogs, and posters have. Be Careful Out There!

(3) Colligan mentioned carriers and developers yesterday:

Carriers:

== "...As we started early disclosures to potential carrier partners,
== we've been extremely pleased at their positive reaction to our new
== platform and products..."

"Early disclosures".

That's it.

Colligan: "I can imagine that "we're going to have a DYNAMITE platform!"

Potential Carrier: "Swell! Let's talk more when it's ready and debugged."

Developers:

== "...And on the OS front, there are existing developers that we
== have briefed. We want to be sure that we have a robust set of
== applications as we launch the product, but we haven't made it
== a broad-based thing at this point in time and that would be
== further out..."

"Briefed".

That's it.

How's THAT for lack of developers.


RE: wrong again
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2008 4:00:16 AM # Q
Pardon - typing in the dark and not watching the screen - January 8th...
RE: wrong again
medevilenemy @ 12/20/2008 7:24:22 PM # Q
Why don't we wait until the actual announcement to reflect on the announcement... and if it goes poorly, we can just blame Colligan.

RE: wrong again
SeldomVisitor @ 12/21/2008 5:38:21 AM # Q
> Why don't we wait until the actual announcement to reflect on the announcement...

Palm wants us to reflect on the announcement; that's why they announced an announcement without saying what was going to be announced.

Buzz.

Free advertising.

So...what do YOU think is going to be announced?

And how!?

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A PHONE?!

mikecane @ 12/18/2008 5:33:21 PM # Q
Let's see ... how many million iPhones and G1s will there be by June 2009?

Jumping into that is suicidal. I hope it's not PHONE ONLY.

And yeah, kill what they call the "handheld" business - and make way for the TABLET business.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

RE: A PHONE?!
Gekko @ 12/18/2008 6:44:17 PM # Q

yes, so they should bet the farm on some niche extraneous contraption product that only a few dozen hipsters want?

RE: A PHONE?!
mikecane @ 12/19/2008 5:19:20 AM # Q
Yeah, Gekko, like, oh I don't know, the *IPOD TOUCH*?

Except BIGGER.

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Palm. Burn in hell.

VampireLestat @ 12/18/2008 9:16:06 PM # Q
"However he was quite frank and stated they are not developing new ones, and as such there is an inevitable end to the product line." Ref. PDAKillerColligan

On that note, I applaud the disastrous quarter. May Palm go bankrupt and I hope Colligan never gets hired in any other company. Incompetent fools.

RE: Palm. Burn in hell.
medevilenemy @ 12/20/2008 7:32:29 PM # Q
Ok, that is a little excessive. I bet there is still a market for PDAs (though a modern one would require some real innovation), but the market analysts (idiots, of course) have been saying it is dead and the numbers appear to support it. Still, though, Colligan is a fool. I hope that the CES announcement is a success, I really do, but regardless of what happens they have to get rid of him. Whether it is his fault or not (I blake Hawkins, really, for basically losing interest - and the horrible mistake that was the foleo) he is the face of these recent tough times. His presence will really only slow any recovery that may or may not happen.

I do, however, applaud that they've been bringing in some good people to run things. To me, it looks like they are really trying to pull off something huge. We've seen it happen before with other companies, lets reserve judgment until something happens (or fails to do so).

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ACCESS

NuShrike @ 12/18/2008 11:29:08 PM # Q
They could seriously jump start everything if they just shoved ALP right in. Would people notice? Be at least "years" ahead of NOVA (which means "no go" btw).

Been at a .dotbomb, the cycling of the CFO usually means they can't afford him anymore and he very clearly sees the writing on the wall.

The smart thing to do is to make Styletap full-featured so people can just vacate the obsolete Palm hardware. Hell, even just port the Palm's easier-to-use PIM experience to Windows Mobile (which they haven't even bothered to do) and be done with it.

Even going from the superior OMAP processor in the 800w to the cheaper and slower Qualcomm in the Treo Pro speaks volume.

RE: ACCESS
mandopicker @ 12/19/2008 4:45:14 AM # Q
>They could seriously jump start everything if they just shoved ALP right in. Would >people notice? Be at least "years" ahead of NOVA (which means "no go" btw)

Um...'No va' might mean No Go (Portugese? Spanish?), but 'Nova' (all one word) is Latin for 'New' (as in 'Novus Hominus', New Man, describing the self-made individuals who attained the offices of state in Republican Rome and weren't part of the established aristocratic elite...quoth the pedant).

But yeah I agree: what was so badly wrong with the offering from Access? Evidently *something* was wrong as no-one's got it on a device for market (yet).


Gareth
Palm T/X (on its 2nd screen); Apple Messagepad 120 OS 2.0 (yeah, seriously)

RE: ACCESS
NuShrike @ 12/19/2008 10:15:43 AM # Q
Yes I know about the perennial urban myth of no va vs nova last used in cars. The topic is Palm doesn't get it and shows with these misses on details.

No doubt ALP was something Palm started, and had to avoid all duplication of code by the scorched earth contract with Access. Really smart first move considering even Google beat them to market. iirc, Access is already working, just looking for a carrier partner.

RE: ACCESS
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 10:20:26 AM # Q
RE: ACCESS
FrequentVisitor @ 12/20/2008 9:54:10 AM # Q
There used to be an obnoxious, smarmy poster here called David Schlesinger who worked at Access. What ever happened to him after Access announced that it suddenly was going to go back to the drawing board to completely "reposition" ALP OS?

I'm no stock expert,but these numbers don't seem to bode well for Access:

http://quote.tse.or.jp/tse/quote.cgi?F=listing%2FEDetail1&MKTN=T&QCODE=4813


Access
1979 - 2009
R.I.P.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Co.



RE: ACCESS
FrequentVisitor @ 12/20/2008 9:56:41 AM # Q
Here's where to see the info on how Access is doing (NOT good!)

Gack!

http://www.tse.or.jp/english/

RE: ACCESS
hkklife @ 12/20/2008 4:05:55 PM # Q
Lefty has posted here 2x or 3x times since the "repositioning" announcement, IIRC.

He didn't specifically mention ALP or their revised focus or any hardware partners or anything like that.

On a related note...

"8) The endgame from Elevation is mere weeks away. It will be the perfect ending for the Palm soap opera. Trust me*."

So do you expect the endgame to occur PRE or POST-CES?

IF the CDMA Sprint Treo Pro does come out, it still may very well be Palm's last-ever release....and I wonder in what volume of handsets have been purchased by Sprint? I wonder if this'll break the near-mythical "blink and you missed it" lifespan of the 800w or the older but not forgotten Sony-Ericsson T608 on Sprint?


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: ACCESS
akalefty @ 12/24/2008 12:34:11 PM # Q
There used to be an obnoxious, smarmy poster here called David Schlesinger who worked at Access.

I'm still around. Not here, particularly: there's not been much of interest going on in this locale for a good while. Still happily and busily employed at ACCESS, which is still a going concern, so that's another two mis-predictions you can add to the lengthy list of things about which Mikey "i-Book-Pod-Touch Air" Cane has been thoroughly in error.

What ever happened to him after Access announced that it suddenly was going to go back to the drawing board to completely "reposition" ALP OS?

I don't recall us ever making any such announcement. Maybe it's something you hallucinated, fantasized or heard from Mikey.

Merry Christmas, guys. Still a few hours left to make amends for your wicked ways and see whether you can possibly forestall another stocking full of nothin' but twigs and coal.



RE: ACCESS
mikecane @ 12/24/2008 5:09:29 PM # Q
>>>you can add to the lengthy list of things about which Mikey "i-Book-Pod-Touch Air" Cane has been thoroughly in error.

See, but they remember *my* name.

You? Mr. Smarmy.

RE: ACCESS
akalefty @ 12/25/2008 12:10:54 AM # Q
Heh. Keep working on that reading comprehension, Chuckles.

RE: ACCESS
twrock @ 12/25/2008 6:14:52 AM # Q
>>>>>>What ever happened to him after Access announced that it suddenly was going to go back to the drawing board to completely "reposition" ALP OS?

>>I don't recall us ever making any such announcement. Maybe it's something you hallucinated, fantasized or heard from Mikey.

A common pattern seems to exist for persons having "visitor" somewhere in their username.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: ACCESS
Gekko @ 12/25/2008 11:58:32 AM # Q

lefty - so how many devices have shipped so far with ALPOS?

RE: ACCESS
abosco @ 12/25/2008 12:09:13 PM # Q
lefty - so how many devices have shipped so far with ALPOS?

The real question is - how good is the shadow on the second hand? Can it match Cobalt's?

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: ACCESS
mikecane @ 12/25/2008 5:00:59 PM # Q
Let's just recall the observational powers of Mr Demented Smarmy:

Apple Sells 10M iPhones. Psychopath Increases Meds.
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/apple-sells-10m-iphones-psychopath-increases-meds/

As I am often wont to exclaim:

NEXT!

RE: ACCESS
Gekko @ 12/27/2008 8:11:58 AM # Q

Gekko: Do you have any customers?
Lefty: No.
Gekko: Do you have any prospects?
Lefty: No.
Gekko: You got anything on the horizon?
Lefty: Uh, no.
Gekko: Do you have any action at all?
Lefty: No.
Gekko: Do you have any conceivable reason for even getting up in the morning?
Lefty: I like to get the Daily News.


RE: ACCESS
akalefty @ 12/27/2008 4:34:31 PM # Q
It's so cute to watch you guys indulging in these childish little fantasies of yours.

Schadenfreude isn't much of a reason to get up in the morning, either, Lizard Boy. I guess I flew 150K miles this year because I didn't have anything better to do, hm?


RE: ACCESS
Gekko @ 12/27/2008 4:52:51 PM # Q

true on the schadenfraude. karma is a bitch.

but perhaps if you came here with some humility and some realism you'd be treated better.

RE: ACCESS
akalefty @ 12/27/2008 8:31:54 PM # Q
C'mon, Lizard, who are you kidding? You treat me about as well as you treat anybody, and frankly, your valuation of me doesn't really carry much weight as far as I'm concerned.

And Babblin' Mikey's doesn't even carry that much.

Sorry For The Inconvenience.

RE: ACCESS
abosco @ 12/28/2008 9:28:56 PM # Q
I'm sure Colligan racks up quite a lot of frequent flier miles - probably as many as Benhamou and Yankowski did.

Maybe you should get a better success barometer?

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: ACCESS
ChiA @ 12/30/2008 7:00:32 PM # Q
It's so cute to watch you guys indulging in these childish little fantasies of yours

On that note ALP seems to be ACCESS's childish little fantasy.

Apple and Google have delivered where it mattered, smartphones into the consumers' hands and revenue into the company's hands.

I'm wondering just like Gekko, where oh where are the ALP phones?

What happened to the ALP Samsung phone which Orange were allegedly going to release in June 08?



Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein

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No more PDAs, huh?

tuvor @ 12/19/2008 4:29:44 AM # Q
And they'd have said nothing had the question not been raised?

How long have they been sitting on THAT information?

Thanks a lot, Palm.

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Bah! You fools!

mikecane @ 12/19/2008 5:21:52 AM # Q
January will show a completed OS *and* several demos from devs.

Probably more than one bit of prototype hardware too.

Really, *I* am the one who's been saying they're Doomed - and yet now I stand here in defiance of all of you.

You people have to get with the music! Out of step - again!

RE: Bah! You fools!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2008 6:31:36 AM # Q
> ...January will show a completed OS *and* several demos from devs...

If a select few developers have ONLY been "briefed" (see another post by me here somewhere with the Colligan quote from last night), I'd say there is literally not a snowball's chance in Hell that January will show demos from (external) developers for Nova.

RE: Bah! You fools!
TooMuch @ 12/19/2008 5:12:36 PM # Q
Yeah. Like Foleo demo. Get real. You will see one or more...expect DV.

RE: Bah! You fools!
mikecane @ 12/19/2008 6:01:05 PM # Q
Hey, within 3 weeks of Foleo's intro, we had several apps from devs forthcoming.

It will be the same with this, next month.

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Also no more new Centro's!

palmit @ 12/19/2008 9:12:41 AM # Q
Didnt they also mention that they are not planning on making any new Centro models.

RE: Also no more new Centro's!
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 9:26:53 AM # Q

from what i gather -

Treo = WinMobOS = Enterprise Focus

Centro = NovaOS = Consumer Focus

RE: Also no more new Centro's!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2008 9:54:15 AM # Q
They weren't at all clear about this - in one breath they mention consumer/prosumer for Nova, in another they mention "product refreshes". The "consumer/prosumer" comment about Nova set me back on my heels and I assumed it was simply a mis-speak by Colligan since Palm has unambiguously said "PalmOS consumer, Nova prosumer, WinMob enterprise" and never changed that until maybe last night.

But maybe it wasn't a mis-speak, maybe they really are dropping PalmOS finally.


RE: Also no more new Centro's!
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 10:12:48 AM # Q

what do your yahoo chat buddies tell you?

RE: Also no more new Centro's!
sbono13 @ 12/19/2008 10:19:17 AM # Q
"PalmOS consumer, Nova prosumer, WinMob enterprise"

I think when they were saying this, they were expecting Centro to still be selling while Nova devices came on the market. It's no longer reasonable to assume that, so Palm will be back to two business lines: enterprise and everything else (fat middle)

RE: Also no more new Centro's!
SeldomVisitor @ 12/19/2008 10:23:57 AM # Q
> what do your yahoo chat buddies tell you?

Nothing - very little solid discussion there on tech aspects of Palm products. Just
"To the moon, Alice!" and "Fire Colligan!" stuff.

> ...enterprise and everything else (fat middle)

I think that's where they SHOULD go, but their last solid words were as I noted.


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Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?

erazer @ 12/19/2008 7:27:18 PM # Q
This is BIG-the phone companies and developers already know about this and are "universally excited"? I was thinking that Palm and all their newfound Apple stars were contemplating mass-harakiri on Jan 9th but I stand chastised and excited myself! It is real impressive that there has not been a single leak so far, as tight as the iPhone. Looks like the Apple guys are showing them how its done.

RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
SeldomVisitor @ 12/20/2008 4:13:45 AM # Q
The carriers and developers were "briefed" about Nova:

== "...And on the OS front, there are existing developers that
== we have briefed..."

I don't know about you, but "briefed" to me for SURE does not BEGIN to suggest the developers were (1) shown anything close to final or (2) have their very own copy and API to start developing with.

The carriers, however, were not excited about Nova, though they were "positive" in response:

== "...As we started early disclosures to potential carrier partners,
== we've been extremely pleased at their positive reaction to our new
== platform and products..."

Again, "early disclosure" sure doesn't suggest anything close to final; certainly does not suggest an actual device running Nova was demoed. YMMV, I guess.

The "excited" bit, however, is based off of ONE sentence where Colligan is talking about a "development approach" and the developers who have seen THAT:

== "...Those developers we're already working with on our new
== platform are universally excited by our development approach..."

Be careful about reading blogs, posts, and the Me-Too Media, including PalmInfocenter et al; they OFTEN get it wrong.

The Me-Too Media, in particular, often just repeats what some other site has said (that's why they have the derogatory nick "Me-Too Media"...). Engadget right now, for example, actually has a "correction" on their latest article about Palm and CES that corrects one thing but, for some unknown reason, enhances the story by going on and saying:

== "...What Palm did reveal is that Nova is already in the hands of some
== of its development partners ..."

even though Palm never said that anytime during the earnings call. The article has those words because Engadget got their "info" from another site and, apparently, didn't bother to go back to the horse's mouth and see what the horse had to say itself.

Me-Too Media.

Be careful.

RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
mikecane @ 12/20/2008 6:54:11 AM # Q
Yeah, well your primary mistake is parsing Colligan too closely. Was he given strict language to follow for SEC reasons? There's still plenty of wiggle room in what he said.

If JavaFX plays a big part in Nova, devs will be able to spin out stuff quickly. That could account for the excitement. Or not.

OTOH, I heard this from someone who is In The Know and a kick-ass killer coder who *should* be excited by something *exciting* from Palm: "Palm ... who?"

This same person In The Know told me Apple Has Something next month no one expects.

In a few weeks, all the cards will be on the table and we'll finally see.

Place your bets.

RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
SeldomVisitor @ 12/20/2008 7:06:25 AM # Q
Colligan's "excited developers" words were scripted (he was reading them) thus were not off-the-cuff no-thought comments. They were well-planned. I take them exactly as he said them.

OTOH, his remarks about briefing developers and early disclosures to carriers WERE off-the-cuff remarks without strong fore-thought - as such I CERTAINLY believe THEM. He's not going to UNDERplay what has been done with developers and carriers...

JavFX Mobile has not yet been released - Nova =can't= be strongly relying on it.

RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
SeldomVisitor @ 12/20/2008 7:28:04 AM # Q
Apologies - the "early disclosures" words were scripted as well thus should be taken exactly as he said them.


RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
Gekko @ 12/20/2008 7:53:09 AM # Q

"He who knows doesn't speak; he who speaks doesn't know."



RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
mikecane @ 12/20/2008 5:55:59 PM # Q
>>>he who speaks doesn't know

Historically, that's been shown to be true when it comes to you.

RE: Whoa! 'carriers & developers' ?
twrock @ 12/23/2008 9:30:23 PM # Q
>>"Be careful about reading blogs, posts, and the Me-Too Media, including PalmInfocenter et al; they OFTEN get it wrong."

Yep, and that includes certain people who post a whole lot to PIC. You can't be too careful.

>>"He who knows doesn't speak; he who speaks doesn't know."

No doubt.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

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Palm will be vindicated. Trust me.

FrequentVisitor @ 12/20/2008 10:52:25 AM # Q
All of you here that doubted Palm will soon end up eating some humble pie. The new OS and device literally blow EVERYTHING (yes, including iPhone) currently on the market out of the water. The New Palm is THAT good. Those of us who knew the potential of the Foleo are now finally vindicated. He who laughs last...

- Chris B.

P.S. Screenshots will be coming to a website near you in a few days. Please be faithful, Palm Faithful. You will be happy you waited. Trust me.

RE: Palm will be vindicated. Trust me.
Gekko @ 12/20/2008 11:06:57 AM # Q

get back on your medication.


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Uncle Krakow: Top 5 Cell Phones of 2008

Gekko @ 12/23/2008 8:07:59 PM # Q

Gary Krakow
12/23/08 - 09:05 AM EST

Coming up with this list was not easy, given such a large field of worthy candidates, from the smartest smartphones to the tiniest talkers

But whittle I must. So without further ado and after much testing, using and angst, here are what I believe are the Top 5 cell phones of 2008:

http://tinyurl.com/2nsyee


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mikecane @ 12/24/2008 7:04:03 AM # Q
ROTFLMAO!!! CONGRATULATIONS to Gekko! He got me. That's the first time I've ever had that done to me.

Now I feel initiated!

RE: Uncle Krakow: Top 5 Cell Phones of 2008
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2008 7:08:28 AM # Q
Strangely, Tinyurl.com does not keep the "preview" feature enabled - not sure why - maybe has to do with "temporary files" or something on one's own computer (but NOT cookies).

I hadn't clicked on the link til I saw Mike's post, then just figured it was what it turned out to be...

Now THAT'S a viral video!

Have ya seen the hit count on that ridiculous (youtube) Claus Campaign's videos?

What a total failure.

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Merry Christmas 2008

mikecane @ 12/24/2008 5:07:29 PM # Q
Merry Christmas 2008
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/merry-christmas-2008/

I'll have no argument, so don't reply with that!

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Gekko @ 12/24/2008 5:50:02 PM # Q
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