We were Hacked

"Democracy in action" doesn't justify screwing up some other web site that has nothing to do with the issue...

I am pro Napster, anti RIAA, and I think pimpshizpimpshiz didn't do a damn thing to help either cause. In fact I think he hurt a great deal more than he helped by attacking a website that has nothing to do with the issue. What an idiot.

I use Napster everyday. But this idiot just hacked my favorite website. What am I to do? Support this guy and let him hack all other websites too?

Over all was a move of self promotion. Noting more. I don't give a rats #$@# about Napster and neither does he. If the record companies were smart they would invent something better than Napster and get some money out of it.

Stop wasting time and energy one complaining and get productive.

That is not the way for ones to express their opinion though.

Yeah, I'd have to say he did very little outside of getting a bunch of members of the Palm community upset with him.

Freedom of speech does not mean infringing on someone elses freedoms.

stupid ? STUPID ? ?? style ? ? what are you talking about ? he's trying to get his point across, and that's one way to do it. . . and style has nothing to do with it. . if "they" wanted. . they'd bring the whoe RIAA site down and the web host that hosts it. . .i don't think you have an idea of what you're talking about. . . and one more thing :-) i would watch out, who i'm calling an idiot :-) you never know, who's got your IP :-0 ehhehe

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Yes, this person probably would have hacked the RIAA web site if possible. Read some of the technical web sites, and you'll learn this these hacks are being done by a loophole in the Win NT server, so I guess RIAA's web site doesn't run on this platform.

Actually it's not really that stupid, if you think about it, "they/he's" killing two birds w/ one stone!
1) to get his point across (pro-napster)
2) testing out the security on the website
Since no damage was done, pimpshizpimpshiz is a respectable hacker!

But there _was_ damage done. Hundreds of people who wanted to keep up to date on the Palm have been inconvenienced and the reputation of this site has been hurt. Hopefully, most people realize this is a volunteer site run by a few people part time and won't lose all respect for the Palm Infocenter because we picked a host that has a security flaw but I'll bet you this hack has cost us some readers. While that doesn't harm me financially (I'd have to get paid to lose any money) the belief that I'm helping a lot of people is what keeps me involved in this site. If we keep getting hacked to the point where we lose all our readers, I'll have lost one of the better hobbies have had in a while and you'll have lost what I hope was an important source of information on the Palm community.

I didn't have a strong opinion about Napster before but I'll bet you can guess how I feel about it now.

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Palm InfoCenter

This is in response to the anonymous person scared to give his name. He wrote:
"stupid ? STUPID ? ?? style ? ? what are you talking
about ? he's trying to get his point across, and
that's one way to do it. . . and style has nothing
to do with it. . if "they" wanted. . they'd bring
the whoe RIAA site down and the web host that
hosts it. . .i don't think you have an idea of
what you're talking about. . . and one more thing
:-) i would watch out, who i'm calling an idiot
:-) you never know, who's got your IP :-0 ehhehe"

Style has everything to do with it. If you want your point to be UNDERSTOOD, and not just HEARD, then HOW you do it means a great deal. Take for example street corner preaching. Some preacher stand on the corner and scream at you, while others try and speak to you. Which one would you listen to?

The hacker obviously chose to scream his message. So, yes, he did get his message out, but how many people really listened? Seriously. Yes, it got some splash and now many people who could care less know of the name "Pimpshiz," but I seriously doubt that he changed anyone's mind.

Secondly, you obviously have some respect for "them," whoever "them" is, even though you hide your name in secrecy. They exploited a security hole, big deal. My point was, if "Pimpshiz" had the skills, he would have hacked the RIAA site. THAT would have been impressive and I would have applauded it. Why? Because it strikes at the heart of one of the key players and THAT would have been a statement. Adn I do know what I'm talking about. Pimpshiz can't hack the RIAA site, so he picks on other innocent sites instead. In my book, that's lame.

Now, for your final comment. Because I choose to voice my opinions in a public forum and do so in a legal manner, I should fear Pimpshiz will retaliate against me? Why? By your rationale, he's able to deface any web site he chooses, yet I'm unable to express my opinions?

You, sir are a child and should think before you type. Just because your nose is so deep in his ass that you know what he had for breakfast, by no means makes you an expert, nor a knowledgable party. You are a sycophant. Click here to look it up (http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=sycophant)

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Ok, now that that rant is done, I'd like to say that I do think that Pimpshiz was being nice by only changing the front page. That IS to be commended. I don't agree with what he did, but I respect that he limited himself to his message.

Then why not take out an ad in the paper. Oh wait he would have to pay for that. He's just in to getting things for free. God forbid we should pay for the work of others.

Why would you ant code written by somebody with these *ethics*? Patch a hole with a new hole?
Brilliant.

Bill

ant code

Bill

> stray W

No, I'm trying to quit.

But thanks.

There is no patch yet. I haven't seen anything from M$ on this and reports are circulating that Pimp is using a unpublished securuty flaw in NT server. If anyone does hear or find a patch please let me know.

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Ryan
PalmInfocenter webmaster
webmaster@palminfocenter.com

Dude, actually we live in both a republic and democracy. There isn't much difference between the two.

And there are definitely ways to get your point across without hacking this awesome site which doesn't have anything to do with music (neither did many of the other sites), which is where he really should have focased. Why, for example, did he hack the Aboriginal People's Television Network???

I have to say, being an ex hacker and a newly found computer consultant because of it, that I don' repect that guy. I *love* Napster and I *hate* Metallica and Lars, especially after that skit in the MTV Video Music Awards about sharing. The guy has a good cause, but when it violates me and my way of doing things (Coming here often) then it really pisses me off.

Did you notice how the first time he hacked the site, he left an aol email address, and the second he left another? He can't be that smart, as I'm almost positive AOL shut down his account. And he's really dumb if he used a real credit card to set up the account.

I'm not hiding anything, We've been completely open about this incident. You see the hacker has broken in 3 times and he changed his own email address, probably because AOL booted him. No one knows yet (even M$) how to stop or patch this new exploit. I'm sure there are plenty other NT shops vunerable right now.

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Ryan
PalmInfocenter webmaster
webmaster@palminfocenter.com