PalmSource Rescheduled to February

Palm Inc. has announced that the PalmSource developer conference has been rescheduled to February 5 through 8. It will still be held at the San Jose Convention Center. It will give additional information on the new Palm OS subsidiary, OS 5, and show off new handhelds from licencees.

Last month, Palm postponed the conference in the wake of the September terrorist attacks.

Registration for the rescheduled event will reopen on October 15. A reduced rate for early registration is available until November 11, and a special discount is available for PalmSource alumni.

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Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday

I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 8:29:43 PM #
Compaq readies release of NEW iPaq - Oct. 4!
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 8:45:20 PM #
Looks like the "Cadillac" Model is $750. WOW!
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 8:54:59 PM #

http://www.pocketpcfanatic.com/ipaqh3870.asp?REFERER=84348

iPAQ H3870 64MB Color Pocket PC 65,536 Color

"Bluetooth Technology"???


RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
Davy @ 10/3/2001 9:10:33 PM #
Shut up! Nobody cares!

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 9:25:17 PM #
it''s a little ironic that IPAQ comes out with bluetooth first before palm.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 9:26:55 PM #
THe new Jornada very cool, has PC card and keyboard just like treo.

http://207.34.121.20/images/raptor1-big.jpg

http://207.34.121.20/images/raptor2-big.jpg

Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 9:41:40 PM #
This is the only place that I''ve seen Bluetooth mentioned. If it was true, you''d think it would have been somewhere else. I wouldn''t be supprised if "Bluetooth technology" turns out to be "Bluetooth Ready".

Yawn
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 10:06:21 PM #
Seeing as someone has brought up Pocket PC 2002, I wanted to make sure that as many people as possible noticed that IDC, a major industry analyst, has predicted that the Palm OS will continue to dominate the handheld market through at least 2005. Pocket PC will have between 15 percent and 25 percent of the market this year. That''s pretty much what they have now, though its a lot closer to 15 percent.

They made this prediction even after looking at Pocket PC 2002 and the new handhelds that will be released using it. They appear to think that these won''t be enough to increase Microsoft''s share of the market and certainly not enough to overshadow the Palm OS for at least 4 more years.

IDC analyst Alex Slawsby says this is because corporations have been less aggressive in adopting handheld computers than predicted. Microsoft has done everything it could to make large corporations like their OS and they weren''t interested. This isn''t my opinion, it''s Slawsby''s.

That gives Palm Inc. at least 4 years, which is about 3 more that will be necessary to come out with OS 5 on ARM chips, which will negate even the percieved Pocket PC advantages. Ignore what the doomsayers and MicroSerfs say, the Palm OS will continue to dominate the handheld market through at least 2005.

p.s. Did I mention that the Palm OS will continue to dominate the handheld market through at least 2005?

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 11:36:04 PM #
First of all, I am a CLIE 710C user. But palm is having problem with the enterprise market right now. Even if they could come up with a good devices next year. Most company who uses Microsoft Office/Outlook will still recommend pocketpc because of the integration. And since IT don''t want to support multiple devices, sooner or later they will just ask everybody to use Microsoft stuff. Just like IE becoming most company''s standard browser.

I think palm need to work really really hard to gain enterprise customer now as most wireless consulting firm are telling their customer to switch to WinCE. I don''t want to see Palm die! But if they don''t put their act together I may have to switch to pocketpc in the future.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/3/2001 11:40:42 PM #
Palm is doom to fail. First, Palm tried to tell Palm Websites'' supporter Palm that you cannot use the name Palm or esle we are going to sue you. Second, Palm people are ****y. Developers have easier time working with Microsoft that working with Palm. Third, Palm can''t even make a good Palm OS product that can rival to Sony''s Palm OS products.



Unquestionably in error
skoty @ 10/4/2001 12:27:55 AM #
I''m sorry sir, your statement that it is easier to develop software for Microsoft''s Pocket PC 2002 than for the PalmOS is hideously inaccurate.

First of all, the PalmOS SDK is free. That''s $0. Microsoft''s tools I believe are free, but you can''t use them unless you already have Visual Studio ($1000). Secondly, the language of choice for PalmOS development is C or C++. Not so with Microsoft''s Pocket PC. It appears that the language of choice for them is Visual Basic. By the way, Visual Basic is a proprietary language invented my Microsoft (just in case anyone was unaware). As a programmer, I really hope I can make it through my entire life without learning VB. I think it will be much more fulfilling this way. In continuation, the Palm SDK includes a PalmOS version of the gcc compiler which runs on ANY OS (gcc is the GNU C Compiler commonly found on most UNIX/Linux systems). Not so with Microsoft.

So, in conclusion, Palm people are GREAT, not "****y" (whatever that means). Many programmers, myself included, enjoy programming PalmOS apps for free use. Consider us philanthropists. The way Microsoft conducts itself, there is no room for Open Source Software, or free contributions to the community. There is no community for that matter, there''s just the Microsoft and the trapped millions who fall for their crap.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 1:17:13 AM #
I was thinking about getting one of those Pocket PC iPig devices, but now I will have to ponder about it.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 1:50:47 AM #
My order''s already in for that new iPaq...

--Former Palm shareholder

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 2:48:39 AM #
"unless you already have Visual Studio ($1000). Secondly, the language of choice for PalmOS development is C or C++. Not so with Microsoft''''s Pocket PC. It appears that the language of choice for them is Visual Basic. "

It is wrong, I just download the eMBedded Visual tools from Microsoft, it is free and standalone, it comes with Visual Studio IDE, VC++, VB compiler for free.

On the contrary, I purchase the CodeWarrior 7.0 for HK$3,000. I need to take time to learn the change between SDK 3.2 and SDK 3.5.

Besides, programming in Windows CE is similar to programming windows 98, it is so easy for a Windows programming to switch to program Windows CE. I can predict that time will change.

John


RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
cscullion @ 10/4/2001 7:45:20 AM #
Still waiting for an 802.11b card for PocketPC (other than the Symbol device). Xircom has had them available for both Visors and Palm m50x for months now. In my opinion, as a developer for enterprise mobile software, Palm is still way ahead of the game, and MS is still catching up. And they will catch up, but after most of my wireless (LAN) products are already in the field on Palm technology.

Chris Scullion
RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:16:22 AM #
On last count there are about 2 dozens of so confirmed working PC card. (there are more for CF format and bluetoth)


http://www.cewindows.net/peripherals/
pccardwirelesslan.htm

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:26:53 AM #
so it is confirmed, despite all Palm''s promise to have all Palm built in wireless we don''t have a single device able to do wireless out of the box. In the meantime iPAQ has a built in bluetooth model available.

so much for believing in Bluetooth and wireless technology.

RE: Wireless
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 9:16:43 AM #
I''ve been wirelessly connecting to my mobile phone with my Palm for years.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 11:57:35 AM #
Here''s some quotes from David Pogue''s review of Pocket PC 2002 and the new handhelds from the New York Times:

...each has a 206-megahertz processor, 64 megabytes of memory and a mouth-drying price tag of $600.

Unfortunately, the iPaq is still expansion- challenged. It now comes with an S.D. slot, but you still need to buy a bulky, $50 slide-on sleeve if you want to use Compact Flash cards.

Pocket PC''s now understand the Palm''s Graffiti alphabet (but, for some reason, with far lower accuracy than on Palms).

The Today screen a summary of appointments and to-do items now shows blue text superimposed on a photo, which you can replace with one of your own, using a free program from Microsoft''s Web site. As you can imagine, the result is very difficult to read. When you miss a meeting, don''t expect your clients to nod understandingly when you explain: "I''m so sorry. Your address was hidden by a tree branch."

Worse, Microsoft has enthusiastically piled on new features without cleaning up the old ones. You still can''t write an appointment directly onto your calendar screen, as on a Palm; you must tap New, open a dialog box, write the appointment''s name, open a menu, tap a starting time, and then tap O.K. And to find a certain program, you still have to check as many as three places: the Start menu, the Programs screen or the redundant Home screen provided by each Pocket PC manufacturer. No single screen lists all programs.

Nor have Microsoft''s designers learned to distinguish important everyday functions from glitz that nobody outside the trade-show circuit would use. Sure, you can now conduct multiple chat sessions simultaneously, but just shifting an appointment by half an hour is a five-step process. You can watch streaming video from the Internet on your palmtop, but you still lose style sheets, font choices, headers and footers, links, tables and other information in Word files copied from your PC.

But for ordinary mortals, mini- Windows is still Windows, complete with dire warnings not to move or delete certain files and user-hostile error messages ("Cannot open help file `msreader.htm#Main-Contents'' "). Microsoft remains steadfast in its belief that all the functions of a PC can be crammed into a palmtop, a philosophy that could not be more at odds with the "simplified for pocket use" design mantra of the more popular Palm operating system. As it gets to work on Pocket PC 2003, maybe Microsoft should start thinking less about the PC and more about the pocket.

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 2:02:09 PM #
two taps, two taps. Palm is still ahead by two taps!

ohmygod.

PS. if you don''t like tapping, just get jornada, it come with voice command. Or get pocket informant for something less radical.

A day in the life of a PPC user
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 2:15:45 PM #
> if you don''''t like tapping, just get jornada, it come with voice command.

Scene: man walking through airport.

"Open address list. No, close application. Open address list! Close application. OPEN THE ****ING ADDRESS LIST YOU GODAMN PIECE OF ****!!!!! No officer, there''s no problem. Yes, I''d be happy to come with you."

RE: Pocket PC 2002 launch set for Thursday
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 2:22:40 PM #
than do your giraffe handwriting thingy, PPC can do that too as an assigned short cut.

It''s all about options my dear, options.

More Microsoft news

skoty @ 10/4/2001 12:58:23 AM #
While we''re getting off the subject with MS news, here''s two more articles for you Pocket PC lovers about your unfailable Big Brother:

Here''s one on their new upgrade policy:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2815189,00.html

(I can''t get it all on one line, sorry)

Here''s another one that discusses how they bundle software:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nf/20011003/tc/13930_1.html

(again, you''ll probably have to add that last ''l'' on to view the article)

For all of you Pocket PC users out there, this is what you have to look forward to. Have fun with your Big Brother.

RE: More Microsoft news
skoty @ 10/4/2001 1:12:03 AM #
It looks like my second link works fine, but the first one you''ll have to copy and paste into the location bar on your browser to be able to see it.

Maybe if Ed would turn off the hard returns in the text area on the comment page that wouldn''t be a problem any more:-)

Thanks,
Scott

WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????

I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 6:39:20 AM #
Just for the record, many of us do not want to SEE info on non-palm hardware. The other guys have not gained on Palm Os and it looks like they will not in the distant future. The lead article was about Palm and someone starts posting about Ipaq. Who gives a Rats....... If I want to read about this, I''ll go to a different site. Don''t waste your time.

RE: I agree
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:29:46 AM #
I''m tired of hearing pocket pc users whine about how much better they think thier equipment is... This is a Palm site, not a pocket pc site.

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:40:19 AM #
have a Casio E-200 preview.

http://www.pencomputing.com/frames/casio_e200.html

warning: Plenty of juicy picture of small and thin gadget.

http://www.pdafrance.com/bancessai/
pocketpc/casioe200/e200_b.html

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:48:54 AM #
YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME. OR.....ARE YOU BEING PAID TO POST THIS??????????

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 8:59:03 AM #
do you realize by now even game boy has more built in power and color? Pretty soon Palm Inc is the stone tool of the information age where everybody already move to Iron age.

techno paleolithicum?

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 9:05:22 AM #
I''m curious about the psychology of people who come to Palm fan sites to try to convert people to PPC. If they are happy with what they have, why would they care what other people use? I''ve decided its because these people unconsciously feel that they made a mistake by buying a PPC. So they feel that if they can convince a lot of other people to make the same mistake, it will turn out to have not been such a mistake. I think it is called "Misery loves company".

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 9:20:04 AM #
You are probably right. They should have done their homework before jumping on Bill Gates bandwagon.

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 11:05:35 AM #
> I''''m curious about the psychology of people who come
> to Palm fan sites to try to convert people to PPC

It is related to their feelings of sexual inadequacy.

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 11:35:21 AM #
nah...

This is jsut from Yankowsky yapping about simplicity and how superior Palm is compare to pocketPC. Now is pay back time. And it is pretty fun watching all the marketing jingle turn against itself and implode.

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
mikecane @ 10/4/2001 12:22:33 PM #
I must agree with some of the above sentiments. It''s rather sad to see a PPC user deface a Palm site like this. It''s one thing to provide an URL in the odd message pointing out some aspect of PPC. It''s quite another to hijack an entire thread.

I hope Ed will delete the PPC bombardment. (And this is from someone who is switching from Palm to PPC!)

RE: WHY DO WE SEE THIS INFO POSTED ON PALM INFO SITE????
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 2:04:00 PM #
well, like they said, it''s just a thread.

ok
I.M. Anonymous @ 10/4/2001 10:33:40 PM #
I didn't know that.

What's the deal w/ Outlook?

Lucky @ 10/4/2001 11:14:00 AM #
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would think that Outlook would be an issue in choosing which device to standardize on. I''ve had a Palm for the last four years and have never had any trouble getting my email, contacts, appointments and to-do lists to syncronise properly. The PocketMirror package that Palm ships with all their handhelds works beautifully. Additionally, when I bought my m505, I got Docs to Go for free as well, so now I can carry Word and Excel documents around too (if I cared to.) In light of this, anyone who thinks that "integration" is even an issue desperately needs a clue.

New licensees or old?

mikecane @ 10/4/2001 12:24:37 PM #
"It will give additional information on the new Palm OS subsidiary, OS 5, and show off new handhelds from licencees."

-- new devices?! A CLIE Plus, perhaps?

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