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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Opinion: Mike Cane's 2003 Palm OS PredictionsPosted By: Ryan on Monday, December 30, 2002 10:52:04 AM
Long-time PIC contributor Mike Cane emerges from the shadows to become a human target for the PDA zealots by again daring to predict what will happen with the Palm hardware and software platforms in the next year. Sony worshippers are advised to ingest a bromide before reading. Idolators should take digitalis.
Opinion: My Predictions for the PalmOS Platform in 2003
It's that time to look ahead to the new year. OK, so maybe this is early -- but I've been seeing Xmas ads on TV since before Halloween. Blame their influence! Last year, I wrote "My Predictions for PalmOS in 2002" and out of 10 key items, I was correct with 2.5 of them:
Now pop into some other sites and read everyone else's predictions. We'll wait . . . OK, how many did they get correct? What? And some of them didn't make any predictions? Makes you glad you read PIC, huh? The next year will be Palm's last chance to survive. All of Palm's past mistakes have been catching up to it. The Redmond Beast has been making large gains with Pocket PC. Even Sharp is stubbornly sticking with Linux for its Zaurus line. And then there is the ominous shadow of Smartphone. . . Palm is doomed!!! people shriek. But -- which Palm? There is no longer one Palm. There's the Palm Solutions Group, the hardware maker (which I call Palm SG). And there's PalmSource, developer of the OS and Keeper of the Zen. Palm SG I don't have much confidence in. The Zire? (OK, so it sells well even though it has no backlight.) The Tungsten T? (OK, so it's gorgeous and that stupid Bluetooth, instead of including smart WiFi, appeals to the cellphone-hungry Euros.) The Tungsten W? (Aha! A weak spot! Didn't they see how disappointing Handspring's Treo sales have been? And, OS 4?!!?) PalmSource, on the other hand, has the promise of a brilliant future. Former-Newton programmers and former-Be programmers, freed from the constraints of any one hardware specification -- they'd all have to be moles from the Northwest to screw that up! So, let's be clear here. The next time someone who carries The Mark of the Beast shrilly accosts you with, "Palm is doomed!!!," you can calmly scream back, "Which Palm?" And now, that which will transpire in 2003. . .
1) Palm SG Acquires Handspring
2) Sony Drops Memory Stick
3) PalmOS 6 Will Be Late
4) PalmSource Will Sell Software
5) Palm SG Releases Its Best-Ever Device
6) Sony Kills Tablet PC
7) Fujitsu Licenses PalmOS
8) Dell & Gateway Do PalmOS
9) "Palmphone" vs. Smartphone
10) "The OS People Use, Like, and Trust Every Day"
11) Still No Global PalmOS Device [Full Disclosure: Composed entirely in Memo Pad using Graffiti on a Sony CLIE S320. Would you try this on your PDA?]
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dliao @ 11/22/2002 11:06:47 AM #
These are very interesting prediction indeed, however, I am surprised to find Mr. Cane to predict other company's design philosophy (#5) by guessing Sony will stick with the NR/NX design, and Palm SG will take some of its strength. I don't agree with anyone who challenges any company's design philosophy when they have nothing to do with the company, specifically the design teams of the company. Not to mention someone who's from total differnet world and culture (West East?). RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
Fair enough. But if Sony were going to do a keyboardless N-series, wouldn't they have done so by now? They're on a three-month product cycle, it seems. Palm has already said they intend to go after BT and WiFi markets. We'll see. "stupid Bluetooth"?
"(OK, so it's gorgeous and that stupid Bluetooth, instead of including smart WiFi, appeals to the cellphone-hungry Euros.)" LOL. Real funny. I think you mean "WiFi (battery sapping) hungry Americans". You made me laugh. Thanx. Mike Cane? Stupid Bluetooth? Why not say "stupid wifi"?. What's the use of the word "stupid" here? Bluetooth and WiFi are DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES which serve DIFFERENT NEEDS/USES. Why not add both? I use both and i love them both.... If Bluetooth is STUPID then WHY are companies around the world like Microsoft, Nokia, IBM, Intel, Dell, Toshiba, Fujitsu-Siemens, HP/Compaq, Palm, Qualcomm etc. etc. backing this technology???? Because it's stupid???? YEAH RIGHT. That all the important Operating Systems like Palm, Microsoft, Symbian, Linux and Apple have Bluetooth Stacks is because Bluetooth is stupid????? That Intels upcoming Banias platform includes WiFi-Bluetooth Coexistence Solution is stupid?: Intel Wireless Coexistence System: Silicon Wave has collaborated with Intel to develop a Bluetooth + Wi-Fi wireless coexistence solution for Intel's Banias mobile PC platform. The Intel Wireless Coexistence System is based on Silicon Wave's SiW1701™ and SiW1750™ Bluetooth chipset and enables simultaneous operation of both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi wireless technologies. That various handheld makers like Intermec, HP/Compaq and next year Dell have or will have both WiFi and Bluetooth built into there PDA's is stupid????? Palm Tungsten T Bluetooth review BLUETOOTH ROUNDUP: Palm, Products, Reviews, Compatibility, Setups, Software (56 total) e.g Games, Calendaring/Scheduling solution, SMS, Print Software etc....
RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?adamrichman @ 11/24/2002 9:40:35 PM #
How long have you been reading PIC dude? RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
"How long have you been reading PIC dude"? 2 long. And Dude? "and out of 10 key items, I was correct with 2.5 of them...." That's great Mike. RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
>>"How long have you been reading PIC dude"? >>2 long. And Dude? ... waaay too long. RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
Informative adding Mike. Wouldn't expect anything different beside your "stupid" quote.
RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
Wow, I'm really hurt by some nitwit whose profile is set up to link "my homepage" to his own PIC profile. RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
1st. You call Bluetooth "stupid" 2nd. ...you follow with adding things like "waaaaay to long" and "am really hurt by some nitwit" As if i would "hurt" you? What kind of nonsense is that? Am just astound that somebody who supposed to be an expert is using words like this. Tells me who you are. My Predictions for the Palm OS in 2002 What's the advantage of using Bluetooth with the slot if Bluetooth is "stupid" Mike? I also wonder on which grounds a message will be deleted and if calling somebody names is included?
RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
Hey, you started being smarmy. Go re-read your drivel. And change your handle, unless the "dangel" is really "dangle." RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
This is called the world upside down.... Who started to call Bluetooth "stupid"? Did i? I just replied to you misquoted statements. Can't we all get along?xtremist5150 @ 12/31/2002 12:35:59 PM #
Woah, woah, guys....first off, the title uses the word PREDICTIONS. That means that there's a fair chance of being wrong, but based on current trends and customer expectations, it's a good way to see how things MIGHT turn out for the year 2003. Think of it as forecasting. Sure, the weatherman might be wrong, but based on patterns in the weather and from what we know about meteorology, he's giving you a BASIC IDEA of what to expect. And Mike, don't stoop to anyone's level if they berate you...keep up the good work. RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
In reference to this particular thread, I think the most important thing to remember is:
There are two kinds of people in the world; those who classify people into two groups, and those who do not. RE: How can someone predict a company's design philosophy?
Tell that the script maker of the classic movie "the good the bad and the ugly".
The original quote is (The good=Clint Eastwood to the ugly=Eli Wallach : "There are 2 kind of people my friend, those with loaded guns and those who dig....now you dig" You dig that?
*shudder* That's a lot of stuff for me to have to digest during lunchtime. I agree with almost every point entirely, except for Sony dropping memory stick. Why? I was helping a buddy shop for a 36" TV this past weekend. Almost all of the "better" Sony Wega units (XBR, etc) had memory stick ports built into the front panels of their TVs. Since a TV, especially an HDTV model, is a device intended to "last" for a longer period of time (7-10 years at least) than your average piece of PC hardware, I doubt Sony would spend the $ to integrate a MS reader into their TV consoles without having at least some semi-long-term commitment to the format. Also, I'd like to see Gateway sell a Palm OS device, even if it would be mostly rebadging ala IBM, but I am afraid it's not going to happen either. They are having some decent sales from their shocklingly low-priced plasma HDTVs, and I would not be surpruised to see them slowly transition to a boutique peripheral/electronics retail chain that happens to sell a few stylish PCs over mail-order at the same time. Think how Abercrombie & Fitch or Land's End transitioned from a catalog retailer to a brick and mortar retailer. Regardless of whatever prophecies come true (or don't), kudos to Mike for an intelligent, insightful, and very well-written prognosis! Also, the part about Palm scooping up the remnants of Handspring should have already happened, so don't be surprised if that's a Jan. 2003 headline here at PIC! The final remaining supplies of Visors should be totally gone after this Christmas season, so the timing is just about right... RE: Wow!
I think the inclusion of MStick slots in other Sony lines will continue for quite some time -- there are a lot of Sticks still out there. But as for the CLIE... RE: Wow!
I have to disagree about Sony dumping the memstick too. Just look at all of the products that Sony makes that use the memstick: Clie's, digicams, video cams, audio players, TV's, Laptops, PC's etc... That is more than enough to support the format for some time. Sony could come up with a Popsickle stick format and build it into all of it's products and it would become a quasi-standard. RE: Wow!
Hmmm... perhaps I should have been more specific in my prediction headline? Perhaps: Sony Drops Memory Stick in CLIEs? Nah. I will leave it as it is, but I guess I should have made it more specific to CLIE. We'll see. RE: Wow!
But why has SONY fallen so far behind SD in memory capacity? Either way, if they abandon MS or not, it is a scandal that SONY has failed so miserably to develop this technology further especially because so many devices depend upon it. Thanks, Robrecht RE: Wow!melopsittacus @ 11/22/2002 12:02:57 PM #
1) I don't see Palm SG acquiring Handspring. The economics just don't make sense. Palm SG currently isn't a profitable company. Neither is Handspring. Palm is developing its own wireless solution. If Handspring can manage to maintain its marketshare I would predict, actually, that its brand gets bought up by one of the PPC companies. 2)No way. Certainly not this year. 3)No comment. 4)Not so sure. Yes, perhaps a browser, or a server solution. But it makes more sense that they would attempt to get a cut from independent companies by offering to bundle their products into different "packages." No reason why these bundles couldn't be sold, though. 5)Again, no way. Microsoft is using the Tablet PC as a) a strategic attack on handhelds especially in the medical field, b)as a way of developing an OS specific to laptops, and c)as a strategic attack against Adobe (hell, Corel is now basically a shell company for MS). 6) Well, if they can even marginally improve on the TT, then yes, I agree. 7 - 8). No. More likely that they go Linux, but most likely that they stick with PPC. 9) I agree that I am excited about Palm Source's potential. But they need a large score with one the phone folks, and this would require offering something the MS and Symbian do not at a cheaper price. 10)No. Bloat. Bloat. Bloat. This is what they will / need to stress. With all of the attention of FAT and unhealthy eating, an ad campaign that associates PPC devices with "LARDASS" practically writes itself. It would also serve to draw attention away from the "feature checklist" that MS has used with devastating success in every one of their platforms to date. RE: Wow!
It is only the geeks here that have a big problem with MS versus SD - Sony isn't sweating any. After all, they sell more MS than all SD vendors combined. Thats the bottom line. They won't even consider dropping MS from CLIE just because PIC users like an open standard. RE: Wow!
Sony still uses MiniDisc. I think the MemStick will be around for a while. ----------------------------------------- Palm IIIx for 3 years & LOVING IT! RE: Wow!
There are a 100 times more Memory Sticks in use than SD/MMC cards, which are just starting to really catch on now. If CF can survive this long (unbelievably, I bought another 256MB CF card the other day for my Canon digital SLR, they're so cheap!), than the Memory Stick is good for another 5 years. RE: Wow!
I'm not worried about MS surviving or pointless arguments about open source versus proprietary formats--I just wish SONY would support it better by increasing MS capacity. Thanks, Robrecht RE: Wow!
Why do you say, "Sony Still Uses the Minidisc" as if it were a bad thing. The MiniDisc is a hugely sucessfull recording media in Japan, nearly every young person has one, and I think they are just starting to take off here. http://members.shaw.ca/Warped_Perception/index.html">http://members.shaw.ca/Warped_Perception/index.html RE: Wow!
SOny has said they will release 256MB, 512MB, and probably 1GB Memory Sticks this year. So the capacity will catch up to SD. There is no way they will drop MS. They have a great system going. Take a picture with a Sony camera, view it on the Clie. I think the way Sony has integrated MS into there products wil improve even more in 2003 and certainly we won't see the end of the MS. Maybe they will do a SD/MMC and MS on a Clie, but that might still be unlikely. RE: Wow!
I would have to disagree with "Microsoft is using the Tablet PC as a) a strategic attack on handhelds especially in the medical field" The tablet PC is something physicians would definitely not use. They need something simple that fits in the palm of their hand or pocket, not a $2000 tablet that they have to lug around. There might be other uses in medicine but in few cases I think. RE: Wow!
Mike, are you trying to be interesting or are these really educated guesses ? Sony drop memory stick in 2003 ? Sony kills microsoft Tablet PC ? ... If you are not a psychic, there is no way I will believe these. Well, even if you are a psychic ... RE: Wow!
MiniDisc has no peer as a recording format. It is intended as a replacement for cassettes and there is absolutely no good reason why anyone should still buy something that plays cassettes. MiniDisc isn't going anywhere. elo RE: Wow!
> MiniDisc isn't going anywhere. It doesn't need to, it's fine where it is. I have yet to see an alternative that matches MD in terms of pocketability, versatility and media price. RE: Wow!
1) As long as Sony makes digital cameras, the memory stick will continue to be their format. 2) The minidisc will be (has been) killed, at least in the United States, by HD-MP3 players. RE: MemortStick (Duo) and Minidisc (was: Wow!)
MemoryStick is inferior to SD by all means (SD has better I/O capability and much faster transfer speed). But Sony will continue to support it even if no-one else is using it. Sony has the means to go at it alone. Sony is introducing the smaller MemoryStick Duo this year, it'll be debuting in the Sony Eircsson P800 smartphone. This is further evidence that MS is not going away any time soon. Minidisc is hugely popular in Japan, many parts of Asia and Europe. Just the Japanese market alone can sustain Minidisc for another 10 years. While the U.S. audience has been rather negative about Minidisc, the US Minidisc market is still growing steadily and remains profitable. Even places like Target has been carrying Minidisc recorders and media for well over 3 years. RE: Wow!
Not everyone have a computer or PDA (SHOCK!), so HD-MP3 isn't really going to kill MD just yet. Heck, it is getting more and more shelf space in our local electronic stores... (From nothing to a very visible little shelf in the audio department, it's pretty good.) RE: Wow!JonathanChoo @ 11/27/2002 8:11:25 PM #
Minidisc is hughly popular in both Europe AND Asia. This is because of the size of portable player and the fact that you can now record up to 240 minutes on a single Minidisc which usually costs as cheap as £1 per blank for a good brand. Current PDAs: Palm Tungsten T, Toshiba e310 Past PDAs: Palm V, Palm m505, Palm m515, Sony Clie N770C/U, Sony Clie T625C, Sony Clie NR70V RE: Wow!
The only thing that so far rivals the minidisc is the iPod in regards to portablility- the majority to all of your music collect in one format on one device. Except that the lowest price for an ipod is about 300 dollars, where a good minidisc player can be bought for $150. Until stuff like the iPod is cheaper and more common, the minidisc won't die out.
RE: Wow!
You guys reason like the US makes up the entire world. Minidiscs is the recording media of choice in Japan and Asia. And you are right: MS outsells the SD by a hundred times over. While you guys are just raving on and on and on about using SDs on your Palms, Cams, etc, there are people using MS on videocams, televisions, laptops, Clies, cameras, MP3 players, hi-fis and just about every other gadget you can think of. Maybe it's time to step out of that well.
RE: Wow!
I forget, but didn't I read somewhere Symbian trumps PPC and even Palm in sales volume in Europe?
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