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Sony Clie TH55 Organizer Update v1.01

Sony has released an update to the Clie Organizer application found in the TH55 handheld.

The program updates the Clie Handheld Organizer application components from version 1.0 to v1.01. It updates the Application Launcher, Date Book, Memo Pad and To Do List.

The update is only for the TH55 handheld sold in the United States, Canada or Latin America. It requires 1.2 MB of free space to install. Installation instructions and the download are on Sony Support.

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ROM?

JonathanChoo @ 4/8/2004 11:19:37 AM #
I guess the update will stay in RAM right? Man, what a waste!

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RE: ROM?
Bartman007 @ 4/8/2004 1:04:09 PM #
Aside from the N710 --> N760 upgrade (POS 3.5.2 --> POS 4.1), when has a Sony patch ever been ROM based?

RE: ROM?
Winter_ @ 4/8/2004 3:17:51 PM #
Then they should have already noticed that this IS a waste! ;)

RE: ROM?
mikecane @ 4/8/2004 5:09:58 PM #
Now I understand why people were telling me the TH55's 32MB of RAM wasn't enough.

Putting aside the issues these patches correct, if I had bought this on release I would have had all my files and programs nicely snuggled the way I want in RAM and on MStick.

Then along comes Sony, tapping me on the shoulder (actually bludgeoning me on the head -- ah, you stalkers like *that* image, eh?), saying "Please kick over a megabyte of those files *out* of RAM to make room for the things we have to fix!"

My question is, will TH55's coming off the production line *now* already *include* these fixes in ROM? Hello, Sony, care to comment?

RE: ROM?
abosco @ 4/8/2004 5:15:20 PM #
The patches, even for later models, are never going to be included. You can buy the newest refurb NX70v and still have to download drivers for MSPro. I still remember the horror the RAM in that NX. 11MB, and that was before the thirty thousand patches Sony found necessary to include. Oh, we forgot to put image caching in Clie Viewer. There goes 700KB. Oh, we updated Movie Player a bit. Hand over another 400KB. You mean you want to use sticks over 128MB? Fine, but it'll cost you another 600KB. And are you sure you want the standard issue NX70v system patch? It'll cost you an extra meg and a half. Now you're down to eight megs. Good thing you've got that MSPro driver in RAM - you're going to need it.

Trust me, they build quickly. You'll have another two for the TH55 issued by next quarter, taking up another meg. Lucky if not three.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616

RE: Elbow-ROM?
Strider_mt2k @ 4/8/2004 6:05:53 PM #
Wow, what a dissapointment.

I really would like to want to upgrade from my SJ33 to the TH55, but now I wonder if I won't just sit tight and wait to see what they put out next in this form factor. Is is extremely cool.

One nice thing about staying "old school" (OS4x), what is there is there, and ain't much to worry about.


SJ33 system update: 3k
Everything working with no (or few) hassles: priceless.
;)

RE: ROM?
doctor__no @ 4/9/2004 12:52:47 AM #
Gosh, people on this website can be such Hicks; guess it's true that ppl here hate all Sony products.

Honestly though, I don't know why ppl that don't even own the TH-55 are complaining. It's not like anybody is forcing you to upgrade your PDA even if you owned one.

Besides, the Clie Organizer is easily one of the best apps on the Palm anyway (or at least one of the most useful).

RE: Sony haters???
Winter_ @ 4/9/2004 6:18:45 AM #
Hey, I don't hate Sony! Nor do I see anyone saying that.

What we all are saying is: wasting RAM for a "ROM" update sucks big time. Do I (we) need a Sony device to know that? :)

RE: ROM?
Miss Clie @ 4/9/2004 8:52:12 AM #
Here's a really easy trick - don't download the update! If you don't use Clie Organizer - and let's be frank, it's not the smartest baby in the nursery - then you don't have to get the patch. The patch fixes dupe alarms, but there's already a sidestep for that in rldunn's excellent thread in ClieSource.

So, no harm, no foul. I'm not going to download the patch; it's a fringe upgrade. Unless they remaster and add a TON of stuff to make CO a fully-fledged PIM, it's got nothing on DateBk5.

And really... if you don't own a TH55; quit yer b!tchin'. I have one, it fits my every need quite well, I have all the RAM available for my own use, and it only cost me $311. I think I got more than my money's worth.

RE: ROM?
nuopus @ 4/9/2004 5:43:17 PM #
This is so funny. Please tell me when ANY of the PDA manufacturers gave a ROM patch update for something. Little patch updates or little bug fixes happen on ANY platform and are NEVER given as ROM. Example was when Palm updated the sound quality bug for the T2. Was THAT a ROM update. No it wasnt.

It is useless to write the entire ROM just for a few updates. Some companies may wait for LOTS of updates before they release a single patch like PPC.

Personally, I would much rather have little bugs fixed by patches quickly rather than wait two years for a ROM update.

But ... I guess readers here expect SONY to be different than any other PDA manufacturer just because its SONY.

RE: ROM?
bradhaak @ 4/9/2004 6:23:53 PM #
Well, in the last six months, Palm has released free ROM updates for both the TT3 and the TC.

In the last month, HP released free new ROMs for the 1945 and the 2210.

Today, Toshiba announced that there would be a free update to the latest version WM2003 for the E800 series.

There have been a number of others also, but these are units that I have so I paid attention.

Perhaps it would be better to ask when has Sony recently released a ROM update since it appears that just about every other manufacturer already has.

RE: ROM?
tfftruoa @ 4/9/2004 6:32:26 PM #
ROM is by far the best way to patch things. The great thing about it is that not only does it not take up precious RAM space (which is more important on the limited RAM TH-55 than on my T3 or a Zodiac 2), but the patch is permanant. If you ever hard reset or have your batteries completely die on you, you still have the patch.

And it's not a rewrite of the whole ROM. It's a part of the ROM that has the problem that has been rewritten, while the rest of it remains the same and is just reflashed.

The Federation for the Responsible Use of Acronyms

Must insist
Winter_ @ 4/9/2004 11:49:33 PM #
I'm terribly glad that people using Sony devices are happy with them. I have no problem with that people nor with those devices!!

I was JUST saying that wasting RAM to update ROM is ... well, a waste. No more, no less! Now, why is that so easy to take as an offense? :) Would be the same waste no matter if the culprit was Sony, Palm, whoever!


Owners only club?
Strider_mt2k @ 4/10/2004 5:34:10 AM #
I thought everyone was allowed to express an opinion here, even if they don't own the hardware in question?



RE: ROM?
doctor__no @ 4/10/2004 1:28:38 PM #
You have a right to an opinion, but it doesn't mean you know what you are talking about, and you certainly have no right to complain about a patch that doesn't concern your device. Seriously, get a life and stop bitching about patches for other ppls devices.

The patch being in RAM has one big advantage, you can quickly and easily uninstall it (literally takes seconds). Being that not all pathces are good, and some patches produce incompatabilities and problems, it's certainly safer to have RAM patch then a ROM. Don't like it, don't install it, simple as that.

RE: ROM?
Strider_mt2k @ 4/12/2004 1:23:47 PM #
Okay, okay I ordered one, relax.

:D

(really I did)



RE: ROM?
Wollombi @ 4/12/2004 3:18:18 PM #
>"... and you certainly have no right to complain about a patch that doesn't concern your device. Seriously, get a life and stop bitching about patches for other ppls devices..."<

Actually, while I see your point about being annoyed by it, he/she has the right to free speech, whether it annoys you or not. That would mean, yes, he has the right to complain about a patch regardless of device ownership. Whether you should/will consider such a complaint credible is your right to decide. You should remember that rights are conferred by God alone, not persons or governments. Those are priveledges.


>"...The patch being in RAM has one big advantage, you can quickly and easily uninstall it (literally takes seconds). Being that not all pathces are good, and some patches produce incompatabilities and problems, it's certainly safer to have RAM patch then a ROM."<

You make a good point that highlights the fact that there are trade-offs no matter how you implement it. I personally would prefer a ROM patch that backs up the original ROM so you can re-flash it back if you don't like the results of applying the patch. The trade-off, however, is that you cannot quickly change back on the road, or without your PC. Handera had this problem handled nicely with the ability to place ROM updates on the CF card and run them from that location.

_________________
Sean

Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

RE: ROM?
doctor__no @ 4/12/2004 5:10:28 PM #
Wollombi, save your preaching for sunday school, nobody here is oppressing free speech. In fact, I myself have said "You have a right to an opinion" (which you have conviently edited out in your response).

Issue here is ppl whining and complaining about a patch they know nothing about, for a device they have no experience with.

If they actually knew what they were talking about (ie owned the device and applied the patch), they would know that this is an incredibly minor update (primarily fixes the alarm problem). Moreover Clie Organizer is a Non-Essential app (You don't have to use it). Certainly, not worth reflashing your ROM over.

If this was an OS upgrade or a major upgrade from Clie Organizer 1.0 to 2.0 then ROM would be better, but for an extremely minor upgrade from 1.0 to 1.01 a RAM upgrade is much safer and convient, esp since all the problems that the patch fixes you can fix without the patching.

RE: ROM?
;-( @ 4/13/2004 3:53:46 AM #
Well said. But, You should remember that rights are conferred by God alone.

If this guy ever offers you Kool-Aid, don't drink it.

It's massive. Massive.

RE: ROM?
JonathanChoo @ 4/13/2004 8:37:22 AM #
I think 1.2Mb is quite big for a minor update. And I don't see anybody whining. My original posts was just to point out that a RAM update is a waste. Yeah, it was in a TH55 article but so what?

A waste is just a waste. Why advertise 32Mb ROM as a selling feature of your PDA if you are never going to make use of a flashable ROM? Last I heard masked ROM is cheaper than flashable ROM. Wouldn't Sony save money by using cheaper ROM?

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RE: ROM?
doctor__no @ 4/13/2004 10:17:21 AM #
JonathanChoo, this is getting tired. If you knew anything about this patch you would know that this update is really only for ppl that have the alarm problem (which can be fixed without the patch).

Moreover, it's for Clie Organaizer; which is not essential (many ppl just use third-party apps which they think is better).

It's by no means worth a ROM upgrade. It's far more responsible to make this a RAM upgrade instead of dealing with the risks involved with reflashing your ROM. If you run out of space just uninstall it (you can remove it like any other program), or don't install it to begin with. It certainly isn't a waste, if you have problems with space just buy a Memory Stick (there was a 256MB MS Pro of sale after rebate for $50 last week).

RE: ROM?
helf @ 4/13/2004 10:32:36 AM #
nuopus @ 4/9/2004 5:43:17 PM

This is so funny. Please tell me when ANY of the PDA manufacturers gave a ROM patch update for something. Little patch updates or little bug fixes happen on ANY platform and are NEVER given as ROM. Example was when Palm updated the sound quality bug for the T2. Was THAT a ROM update. No it wasnt.

It is useless to write the entire ROM just for a few updates. Some companies may wait for LOTS of updates before they release a single patch like PPC.

Personally, I would much rather have little bugs fixed by patches quickly rather than wait two years for a ROM update.

But ... I guess readers here expect SONY to be different than any other PDA manufacturer just because its SONY.


Um.. What do you call the v1.1 update from tapwave that came out not long ago? It's a rom update. I used it on my zodiac a few days ago. Fixes some bugs and adds some features. And no, its not useless to write a tiny fix to rom. If the unit has enough free rom it just makes sense to use that free space than ram which is scarce.

moron..

RE: ROM?
doctor__no @ 4/13/2004 11:19:32 AM #
Helf, this Clie update is extremely minor, much more minor than the Zodiac 1.1 update. In fact, this update was only released a couple weeks after the Clie was lauched, patch was made primarily to address some ppls complaints about the alarm.

Zodiac 1.1 patch;
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6692

Honestly, I don't know why so many ppl that don't own the TH-55 are having hissy fits over this patch. Nobody is putting a gun to your head to install the patch (even if you actually owned the device), and you can fix the alarm problem without the patch (no memory required).

Still Lanscape Mode?

Javaduke @ 4/8/2004 10:14:09 PM #
I was hoping that this update would add support for full landscape mode. I am still convinced that this is a software issue and not hardware. Any words from Sony on this matter?

Howard
Duke University Class of 2007
RE: Still Lanscape Mode?
Miss Clie @ 4/9/2004 9:00:21 AM #
I think you're beating a dead horse here. Like the NR, the NX, and the NZ, the TH is a portrait screen. I'm sure a newer model will eventually switch, but I think Sony has other stuff on their mind right now; like trying to scoop Palm and get an OS6 model out first.*

*Which I wouldn't buy, 'cause you know there'll be a lot of 'upgrades' after it hits the market to smooth out the bumps of rushing it.

RE: Still Lanscape Mode?
Miss Clie @ 4/9/2004 9:00:21 AM #
I think you're beating a dead horse here. Like the NR, the NX, and the NZ, the TH is a portrait screen. I'm sure a newer model will eventually switch, but I think Sony has other stuff on their mind right now; like trying to scoop Palm and get an OS6 model out first.*

*Which I wouldn't buy, 'cause you know there'll be a lot of 'upgrades' after it hits the market to smooth out the bumps of rushing it.

RE: Still Lanscape Mode?
JarJar @ 4/16/2004 5:54:03 PM #
If you're waiting for the *super* patch that will convert the device from Landscape to Portrait and back--I don't think this is going to happen.

If it were that easy or cheap, Sony would have done it by now.

This is a hardware issue.

Anyone importing European CLIE TH-55 (with Bluetooth) yet?

;-( @ 4/13/2004 4:07:08 AM #
With the delays in the UX-50 replacement, the TH-55 would have been almost perfect if only it had Bluetooth. I'm still waiting for these to start showing up on eBay...

It's massive. Massive.

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