Run Palm OS Applications on a Pocket PC
StyleTap has announced the availability of StyleTap Platform for Windows Mobile based Pocket PCs. This exciting new product allows most applications originally written for Palm OS handhelds to run on Windows Mobile-based PDAs.
StyleTap can run many of the thousands of third-party applications written for Palm OS Garnet v5.2 (and earlier) devices. Palm OS Applications appear and operate on a Pocket PC just like native Windows Mobile-based programs. You can even cut and paste between Palm OS-based applications and native Windows Mobile-based applications on the same handheld device.
StyleTap also incorporates unique backwards compatibility features to fully support older applications as well. One such feature allows both newer and older game applications to perform direct screen updates. The product also includes the StyleTap Application Installer, which allows you to easily install third-party Palm OS-based applications from your desktop Windows system onto your handheld.
The products does have some limitations on what Palm OS programs it can run. For instance, no conduits or "hacks" are supported, Bluetooth will not work and any application that directly manipulates Motorola 68000 hardware registers is not supported. However, direct screen writes are supported.
"With this product, users who decide to migrate from a Palm OS® device can keep running their favorite applications. And for the first time, existing Windows Mobile™ PDA users can access the vast array of popular, proven Palm OS® applications," said Gregory Sokoloff, CEO and co-founder of StyleTap Inc. "This is the first of a family of StyleTap™ Platform products that will extend this capability to other handheld operating systems such as Symbian OS™. StyleTap™ Platform is based on the idea that the same application software should run on many different kinds of handhelds, regardless of operating system. This not only benefits handheld users, but also allows developers to target a much larger customer base."
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RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
I know that I've wondered for a few years now, when this might happen. When PPC was running 200mhz Strong ARMs and POS was only at 33mhz it seemed obvious to have an emulator.
I'm not tekky enough to know HOW, but POS apps are resource friendly and most PPCs have heavy duty feature sets, so the marriage looks very possible.
Looks like they'll have a lot of display mapping issues (aka the QVGA HE330), but with higher rez screens, even this is more reasonable. This is certainly not a complete overthrow, but it does nothing to help PSRC, when one of your number one selling points is being chipped away at.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
StyleTap intends to release versions of this application for other mobile platforms, including the Symbian OS.
"StyleTap Platform is based on the idea that the same application software should run on many different kinds of handhelds, regardless of operating system," said Sokoloff. "This not only benefits handheld users, but also allows developers to target a much larger customer base."[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see a Mac version of StyleTap, since currently there is no Mac version of the Palm OS Simulator, and the Palm OS Emulator for the Mac only supports up to Palm OS 4.
Also, does anyone know if it can run Sony Palm apps?
Can anyone give a list of Palm apps that work well?
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
iPaq PPC2002 i think:
Minesweeper ... works
Diddlebug ... works, but a little "slow"
BikeorDie ... works great
... looks about like whatever runs thru PACE on OS5 will generally work.
... apparently runs in a nice "window" to accomadate screen rez. He even said that PPC text entry works to the POS app! Cool.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
How is that? G1 is not the official text library for WMob is it?
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
RE: Haven't tried it myself, but...
It works great
This is an enormous break for medical PDA users since many niche medical tools are developed by hobbyists like myself and are, therefore, only written for Palm OS. If you have a Pocket PC, you should get it while you can just in case it gets pulled for legal issues.
RE: It works great
Interesting. Is there a list of great Palm OS software which dont already have pocketpc analogues. Medical software obviously comes to mind, but most software which are under active development are now being made for both platforms. Anything else ?
RE: It works great
ePocrates is, by far, the most popular PDA medical tool. The primary tool is available for both platforms, however, there are a host of add-on applications that are only available for Palm OS.
RE: It works great
Surur
Save your money
All good things...
RE: It works great
RE: It works great
All good things...
Doomsayers rejoice
I love my Palm and I have for a long time, and even though I have an Axim, I still use the Palm day to day. However, when I bought the Axim I was completely blown away by how great it is. VGA screen, wifi, BT, plenty of ram. It's only downfall was that it runs Windows, which really, really sucks. Right away I started looking for something to let me run my Palm apps on it.
This software finally fills that void. I would be very surprised if MS doesn't start shipping this an add-on to Windows Mobile.
Palm had better release some killer PDA really soon, I'm talking wifi, vga, bt, and no stupid gimmicks like a slider case. Yeah, a 4GB hard drive might be fun, but it doesn't make it stand out when compared to full multimedia capabilities of the current PPCs.
RE: Doomsayers rejoice
All good things...
RE: Doomsayers rejoice - NOT
See? Palm OS is here to stay!!!
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The end of palm os?
CCCP: Creative Commonists for Copyleft Protection
RE: The end of palm os?
Is Palm OS now the universal PDA development platform?
RE: The end of palm os?
Palm emulator on PocketPC is equivalent to:
Windows Emulator on Macintosh.
Palm won't be hurting any more than Windows is.
My question is this: is this a hardware emulator with a copy of the PalmOS included? If so, then this app will definitely be shutdown for handing out free, unlicensed copies of the PalmOS.
If it is truly just a reverse engineering from the applications, then it will be a gray area. Those cases are won by those with the most expensive lawyers.
- Jim
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James Sorenson
RE: The end of palm os?
Oh, get the iPaq, because it will run all the Palm apps with an add on emulator anyway. :-)
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: The end of palm os?
Just the other day I was looking for something like this for someone--he's always used Palm, but his m505 is flaking out (digitizer issues) and a new PocketPC would be a lot cheaper for him than a new Palm. This way, he could keep his existing interface while switching up to better hardware.
RE: The end of palm os?
All language apps won't run. Some multimedia programs won't run either. But for me, it is enough. The POS bugme, listpro in styletap are much faster than PPC bugme and listpro, although not as beautiful as in PPC, which I need a VGA device to take advantage.
RE: The end of palm os?
If you're in a market with mixed devices, you still code 68k as there is little sense in cutting out most of your market. (Or user base in my case) now, granted with the Zire's now moving to ARM chips as well, this may change. I'm still amazed at how long the Palm III held on. (Back then the question was color or not, ha!) You can bet those 505s and 515s will be around as long. (The T|T however is a piece of **** and they just keep getting cheaper. My Palm III survived many a drop from shirt pocket height, the T|T didn't make the first!)
As someone in a company that develops our own software internally I'm all over this. If we can get out of having to code for WinCE (which is a minority of users) and just give them this and our existing Palm apps... score! Hell I'd even tweak the Palm apps make them run better if needed.
RE: Imitation is the best form of flattery
While the sewing circle ninnies that predominate their opinions on this site will call this a fatal blow for the Palm OS, I view this as just the opposite.
Then there is HotSync / ActiveSynce issues! LOL!
RE: Imitation is the best form of flattery
My first genuine laugh of the day! Thanks
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Things Are Heating Up
This, however, does make things interesting. Obviously, the bugs will have to be worked out (e.g., resolution and support of all major apps, wireless tech, and games). Since it seems that software is POS's strong suit and hardware is PPC's, however, there is no denying this will give PPCs a big advantage a revision or two down the road.
Bottom line: as a consumer, this just makes things really exciting. Can't wait to see how the battle progresses from here!
Pilot Pro -> III -> IIIe -> Nino (yeah...oops!) -> IIIc -> VIIx -> m505 -> NR70V -> NZ90 -> NX60 -> T3 -> Zire 72s
zire 72 "upgrade"?
Did your T3 die or did you actually "upgrade" from that to a z72?
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[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3[/signature1]
RE: Things Are Heating Up
It died. :(
In replacing it, I decided that with my new baby I'd rather have the camera at hand than the slider. :)
And it was much cheaper, which is *always* good for my marriage. :)
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Pilot Pro -> III -> IIIe -> Nino (yeah...oops!) -> IIIc -> VIIx -> m505 -> NR70V -> NZ90 -> NX60 -> T3 -> Zire 72s
RE: Things Are Heating Up
The only quetion now is:
a) Pay $25/$50 for a reconditioned T3 after fighting through PalmOne's awful tech support, or
b) Buy the brick when it comes out (T|X)
c) Buy a compromised T5
d) Jump to the dark side: HP or Dell with WiFi?
:-(
Atari-Portolio > HP95LX > HP100LX > HP300LX > HP320LX > Nino300 > Nino500 > HP620LX > Jornada680 > PalmV > Vx > m505 > T|T > T615C > T|T3 > T|E2 > (back to) T|T3
RE: Things Are Heating Up
RE: Things Are Heating Up
Sorry to hear that :(
no chance of getting a new T3 anywhere? Even a used one on Ebay or do u only accept brand new?
@[b]neilmitchell[/b]
I notice my T3 turns itself off sometimes. At first i thought that's b/c the apps i use (all games so far in where it has hppened), may have been implemented in where button presses don't register as presses, so the system auto-offs. I tried this on my z71 and it turns out that this isn't the case. My T3 seems to be aging as well.
If my T3 were to die... I'd have the following choices in order of preference:
1) get a zod2. They're only $265 at compUplus, so it's a nice deal for all the specs it has
2) find a replacement T3. I'd be very wary of Ebay used models, so i'd likely have to be new which will not likely happen
3) get a PPC. Most likely a x50v. VGA, all that WL crap i won't need but nice to know it's there, PPC now has alot of neat freeware choices, better gaming zone, and a change to try out WM05.
4) use my old z71. I'ts in nice condition, but i've been spoiled by the T3's hi-res+ screen that it's hard for me to go back
5) get another P1 model, but none of them appeal to me. I still don't need wifi+BT, nor the microdrive. I hear it's only gonna be as thick as 1.5 T3s, but that still wouldn't concern me anyways.
RE: Runs all Palm OS applications, eh?
Thats pretty evil of you :)
For the record, Shadow Plan seams to work pretty well under StyleTap..
jeff
The Shadow knows!
It crashes on my Tungsten 5 and Treo 650. ;-O
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