Microsoft Using Monopoly Power to Hurt Palm
In papers filed in support of the government's proposal to break up Microsoft, the Justice Department said Microsoft is using its monopoly power to hurt other makers of PDAs, specifically mentioning Palm Inc. The government said that on July 11, 1999, "Bill Gates wrote an e-mail directing that Microsoft redesign its software to harm competitors" who make PDAs.
"We were surprised to learn about that today," said Jim Adamson, director of media relations at Palm Inc. "We are looking into the matter and beyond that, because it's part of pending litigation, we can't really comment any further."
Microsoft spokesman Jim Cullinan said the e-mail in question did not talk about "harming" Palm, but instead asked how Microsoft could make its handheld products better than its rival's.
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RE: Huh?
Many anticipated thanks.
Ervino
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Just because your ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is.
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FWIW, I've been using various pre-release version of Windows 2000 back since Beta 2 and never once had any problem with my Palm devices syncing, except for the new USB drivers that Handspring hadn't even written until recently. I actually gave up on my Casio WinCE device and took an old PalmPilot Pro out of mothballs because I couldn't get the Casio work right under Win2K--but the Pilot worked just fine.
MS has had an uphill struggle against Palm, and it's clearly resulted in a big improvment in the WinCE/Pocket PC devices over the last few years. And their existence undoubtedly hurried up the introduction of more expandable devices like the Visor, the TRG Pro, and the color Palm IIIc. That is exactly how competition is supposed to work.
-Bryan
RE: Huh?
FWIW, I've been using various pre-release version of Windows 2000 back since Beta 2 and never once had any problem with my Palm devices syncing, except for the new USB drivers that Handspring hadn't even written until recently. I actually gave up on my Casio WinCE device and took an old PalmPilot Pro out of mothballs because I couldn't get the Casio work right under Win2K--but the Pilot worked just fine.
MS has had an uphill struggle against Palm, and it's clearly resulted in a big improvment in the WinCE/Pocket PC devices over the last few years. And their existence undoubtedly hurried up the introduction of more expandable devices like the Visor, the TRG Pro, and the color Palm IIIc. That is exactly how competition is supposed to work.
-Bryan
MS Willing to Change Office to Hurt Palm
Paul Romer, a Stanford professor and government expert, said in a filing the company ``indicated a willingness to change the details of its Office applications to favor devices that run Windows operating systems, even if doing so disadvantages its customers who now rely on the Palm Pilot.''
RE: MS Willing to Change Office to Hurt Palm
Even though I am a Palm user, this argument does sound like the DOJ doesn't understand this market. They seem to think that Microsoft ALREADY has a monopoly in handhelds. The truth is they are struggling for their life. I didn't really mean to say that Palm is a monopoly! I was simply stating a fact that Palm has, far and away, the largest market share, and no one is investigating them. Since I am a Mac user, I can't use a Pocket PC anyway, but I do like competition in the handheld space. Competition translates into new features and lower prices. And let's face it...Palm hasn't exactly lit the world on fire lately with features.
Some facts FYI, PDA Boy...
Fact 2) Please learn better the laws of your own country (I assume u're american). The DoJ argument against M$ is NOT the fact the thay are a "de facto" monopoly, but that they use they predominat position to blackmail they partner to act against M$ conpetitors (i.e. "ABUSE of dominant position"), distort they products feautures to damage competitors, destroy indipendent innovation (re)producing for free what start-up companies build with effort, and so on.
Fact 3) M$ products are the epitome of bad and infleted coding. An every-day-life example? It tooks to 95 (ninty-five!) minutes to transfer my mail from OE 4.5 to OE 5.0 for Mac!!!
Should I go on?
Ervino
RE: MS Willing to Change Office to Hurt Palm
You need not argue with me on this issue Ervino, Your preaching to the choir here, I for one can't stand MS. My point is that the DOJ has no clue as to what's best for the computing industry as a whole. I remember back in 98 when this trial began, Ralph Nader made a statement to the press that his solution to this case is to immediately ban Windows and require all PC makers to install Linux on their PCs! Yeah right! And if that were to actually happen, the entire PC computing world would instantly become Mac users! This proves my point. A technology world shaped by the DOJ is, in my opinion, even more terrifying than one dominated by Microsoft.
And if Microsoft does take the fall, what's left? Larry Ellison and his greedy dream of network computing? Or maybe Scott McNealy and his vision of Java thin clients in every home?
What does the future hold? Only Janet Reno and thomas "pinhead" Jackson knows....that thought alone has me pissing my pants!
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RE: MS Willing to Change Office to Hurt Palm
A separate company that owns Office might write a version of Pocket Word or Excel for the Palm. They certainly will work hard to make sure their applications are available on as many platforms as possible. The current M$ never will.
Best on Top? Hmmm...
Ervino
Absolutely!
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No sync problems here
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A CompUSA employee that knows something. This is setting yourself up for failure. There is no way that MS can control everything outside of their own sandbox. I currently use IntelliSynch for EVERYTHING. Mail, To Do, Dates, etc..., and I custom design templates for everything else. There is no way that CE is going to allow me the power to combat what I can do with a Palm. I own a IIIc as well. Windows 2000 is a hybrid 98/NT OS that pretty much does the same thing as 98, but looks prettier. I have yet to make one of my software packages crash it. The only problem I have had with W2000 is VPN. Aside from that, pretty solid piece of work. I don't trust it 100%, but I haven't benched it to my full satisfaction, yet.
Problem #2
A company (bigger than 2 employees) upgrading the entire infrastructure to W2000. Any company bigger than that is not going to upgrade everyone in a company to a new operating system right out of the gate (no pun intended). They're going to beat on it as much as they can to make it fail first. That's what they like to do, blow up crap. Another thing about this is the executive level never gets excited about having to replace a ton of equipment with a ton of "like" equipment. (Unless they don't have the committment of being profitable, that is.)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, having the right tolls for the Palm makes it total omnipotent (sp?). Even for a IIc for being as new as it is, it works with everything I want it to, seamlessly. CE cannot offer me that. Even communicating with its' own Outlook 2000, Palm and IntelliSynch win, hands down.
Sandokan
RE: Absolutely! (to Brian Meehan)
Another item of interest is that I have multiple 500K+ DOC files on my Palm and one that 1MB+. Where it always seems to hang is when it's trying to back up all these extra files (although I did have it hang on me once during an AvantGo channel synch). It usually makes through the Calendar, Contacts, etc. OK and gets hung up after that. If I set my HotSynch Manager to skip the backing up of the databases, it will usually make it through the synch OK (although not always), but I know it's not any specific document that is corrupt because I have tried several times to delete the largest files and it still gets hung up at various points during the database backup. Furthermore, the same set of documents, databases, etc. back up flawlessly on NT4 and on Win95.
I spoke with Palm Tech Support last night, and, after waiting on hold for 20 minutes, the guy walked me through several setting changes (which I had already tried several times myself) only to end up telling me that he didn't know what the problems was and that he couldn't help me.
I'm just praying that I can find someone who had been through this and solved it before I get stuck in Win2000-only workplace (which is going to happen within the next 2-3 months)!
Here we go again!
I hate to put it this way, but please refer to my article on Palm Tech Support. Forums are your best bet in this case. I made a note for your problem as I continually look for problem solutions. I will try to get some information on this as soon as I can.
Good Luck!
Sandokan
It's a Dell Problem!
Palm is benefiting from MS!
Without MS there would be no color Palm today.
MS, keep the pressure on so we get better Palms.
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