Palm Has No Plans to Support Symbian

In another recent interview Palm CEO Ed Colligan confirms that Palm has no plans to release a device based on the Symbian operating system.

Ever since the announcement of the Windows Mobile Treo, rumors have been circulating that Palm may release a Symbain powered smartphone. Ed Colligan told CBR in an interview:

"We could not afford to support three operating systems." But it seems it is not just about cost because Colligan also noted that, "Nokia owns Symbian," suggesting that he would not want to support an operating system owned by its close rival in the smartphone space, Nokia.

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The decision to go with Windows Mobile was made partly because some of its carrier partners were looking for a Palm running Windows Mobile, and partly because some enterprises it wants to sell to have a "Microsoft only" attitude.

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Good idea, Palm...

budrowilson @ 11/1/2005 4:54:12 PM # Q
Great idea, Palm. You surely wouldn't want to partner up with any huge rival in the industry. Especially one as massive as Nokia. Oh, wait a minute...didn't they already do that with Microsoft??

RE: Good idea, Palm...
LiveFaith @ 11/1/2005 4:57:17 PM # Q
Microshaft is not Palm's competitor. They are the competitor to Palmsource, the software company.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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The Minnow Still Swims!

LiveFaith @ 11/1/2005 4:52:58 PM # Q
Palm impresses me that they are valiant enough to try and support even two platforms. The Symbian rumor sounded like a pipe-dream from the beginning. Maybe it will soon be joined by the Palm-To-Develop-It's-Own-Linux-OS rumor in the ash heap of history.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
KultiVator @ 11/3/2005 8:50:45 AM # Q
Hmmm, it's never an entirely bad thing to be an optimist.

According to Gartner DataQuest, Palm shipped 1,082,000 handhelds (PDAs and Treos) in the third quarter of 2005.

Perhaps their bank balance is a little healthier than many folks here think.

Even RIM only shipped around 800k units in the same period - so Palm, despite all the negative spin her in the PIC discussions, still have solid sales and are enticing new users (and upgraders) to part with cash.

Even if sales drop off over the next couple of quarters, we should be into the first generation of Palm Linux devices by then and the handheld landscape could take on a whole different appearance very quickly, if they make the right design decisions now.

For example, I don't think many punters here will tolerate a revolutionary new Palm if it looks like a revamped T|E and lacks USB host connectivity (something the Linux kernel can handle very nicely).

KultiVator

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
cervezas @ 11/3/2005 10:14:21 AM # Q
Palm impresses me that they are valiant enough to try and support even two platforms....

Hmmm, it's never an entirely bad thing to be an optimist....

These posts by LiveFaith and KultiVator warm my heart. (I just love the subject line!) You know, I like the fact that PIC has people who care a lot about the Palm platform and hold it to high standards--standards that it sometimes fails to live up to. But what all too often is missing here are moments when someone expresses a little gratitude for what the Palm economy has achieved. Palm and PalmSource are small companies battling titans of this industry and they are delivering products that in the eyes of their customers are among the very best of their kind. They quite literally created this industry and whatever else you might say about recent events like the Access acquisition and the WM Treo announcement, they show the enormous respect these companies command from their peers.

In an imperfect world you do need to look hard at how things can be better, but you will never build the energy to bring those improvements to reality if you don't give thanks for the good work that has been done. So, thanks guys.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
hkklife @ 11/3/2005 10:56:17 AM # Q
I'd wager that Palm stopped making a really strong contribution to the industry around the time of the release of the m500 line.

However, I ALWAYS give credit where credit is due and I think Palm should be applauded for several decisions:

1. Doing their part to push Bluetooth as a "serious" wireless standard early on. The first BT device I ever owned in any shape or form was the T|T back in '02. To date Palm has shipped nine separate devices with Bluetooth functionality standard. That's quite impressive for a small company with a glacial release schedule.

2. Ditto for SD. Arguably even more important than Bluetooth...my first SD-enabled device was my m505. I then bought the first SD digicam (Panasonic iPalm) in '02 so I could standardize on one format...and it's been the same ever since in a parade of handhelds, mp3 players and camcorders. Say what you will, Palm's SD woes have been nothing compared to Sony and their maddening revolving door of Memory Stick permutations & sub-formats (Pro, Duo, MagicGate etc).

3. Shoring up the lowend of the handheld market. Right now there's a huge vacum that exists between $40 Royal/Casio/Sharp organizers and $200+ PDAs/Smartphones. Aside from cheap cell phones there's nothing occupying that sector other than Palm's Zire/Z offerings. Also due to the inherent limitations of FrankenGarnet and Palm's preferred component purchasing (160*160 DSTN screens, 32mb memory chips, white plastic cases), Palm continues to field strong entries into this surprisingly high-margin sector makes perfect sense. What's the cheapest Axim you can buy new? $250ish now that the X30 line is gone? Slogging it out in the $100 PDA market (sold at Target to MILFS) may not be the most glamorous or high-growth segment of the market but it _still_ fills the corporate coffers and funds future Treo/LifeDrive development. This falls in line with KultiVator's comments above. Maybe enough Z22s will eventually be sold so that Palm can wrangle Graffiti 1 back from Xerox (yeah right!)

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5

Did someone mention G1 on the Z22?
Strider_mt2k @ 11/3/2005 11:45:18 AM # Q
Has that happened yet?

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
ChiA @ 11/3/2005 12:11:14 PM # Q
Doing their part to push Bluetooth as a "serious" wireless standard early on

Sadly Palm have long lost this imepetus. It has just launched a device which still uses Bluetooth 1.1 when the current standard is at 2.0 and other companies (Apple, Dell, Toshiba etc) have been shipping products using Bluetooth 2.0 for some time now.

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
AdamaDBrown @ 11/3/2005 3:52:58 PM # Q
To be fair, there are only a couple other handhelds that feature BT 2.0 (mostly stuff from HTC). The others are primarily 1.2.

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
cervezas @ 11/3/2005 4:14:31 PM # Q
To be fair, there are only a couple other handhelds that feature BT 2.0 (mostly stuff from HTC).

...likewise there are Palm OS devices that support BT 2.0, just not from Palm.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=8173

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
Simony @ 11/3/2005 10:28:40 PM # Q
> 2. Ditto for SD. Arguably even more important than Bluetooth...my first SD-enabled device was my m505. I then bought the first SD digicam (Panasonic iPalm) in '02 so I could standardize on one format...and it's been the same ever since in a parade of handhelds, mp3 players and camcorders. Say what you will, Palm's SD woes have been nothing compared to Sony and their maddening revolving door of Memory Stick permutations & sub-formats (Pro, Duo, MagicGate etc).

I agree. However, I remember the avalanche of complaints here at PIC when Palm settled on the SD/MMC format as their standard - that is, complaints that they did not support Compact Flash. With the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, they did the right thing to go with the more compact form of add-on memory.

Another thing to add to the list - NVFS - which permits longer usage on a single charge and some protection against data loss. While there were hundreds of complaints here at PIC about this innovation, those complaints withered away once MS announced that Windows Docile would support 'persistent memory'. (Funny about that.)

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
Simony @ 11/3/2005 10:45:04 PM # Q
> I'd wager that Palm stopped making a really strong contribution to the industry around the time of the release of the m500 line.

And another thing ... Palm's raison d'etre is NOT to make a contribution to an amorphous 'industry' thing. They are engaged in a business of producing handheld computers which users want to buy, and doing so in a manner which will put food on the table for Palm's stockholders, employees and suppliers. That's the objective (if it's not, then the Board should be fired). If competitors want to follow Palm's lead, then that's up to them.

RE: The Minnow swims into the mouth of the shark.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/3/2005 10:47:00 PM # Q
I agree. However, I remember the avalanche of complaints here at PIC when Palm settled on the SD/MMC format as their standard - that is, complaints that they did not support Compact Flash. With the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, they did the right thing to go with the more compact form of add-on memory.

You don't seem to have a clue about technology. The complaints that I (and a few other PalmOS veterans) made about SD were (and still are) entirely valid. Anyone who knows anything about PDAs realizes that in terms of functionality, CompactFlash absolutely DESTROYS SD. How long have users waited for vaporware SD peripherals? CF is available in higher capacities and for less money than SD. Do you see any Microdrives in SD format? If Palm supported CF the way TRG/HandEra did and actually provided drivers for the equipment we would have a wide variety of LAN cards, modems, Bluetooth cards, etc. available for our PDAs. Instead, we have almost nothing. The arguments that CF was "too big" or used too much power are absolute nonsense. The only place the size advantage of SD might be significant is in small devices like smartphones. Stay in school, Little Bubba.

Another thing to add to the list - NVFS - which permits longer usage on a single charge and some protection against data loss. While there were hundreds of complaints here at PIC about this innovation, those complaints withered away once MS announced that Windows Docile would support 'persistent memory'. (Funny about that.)

Too bad Palm's implementation of NVFS was Not Ready For Prime Time. Was it "Funny about that" when it crashed and burned severely, taking the remaining shreds of Palm's credibility along with it? The NVFS debacle was a turning point for many people that have now given up on Palm as a brand. If any Windows Mobile manufacturer ships even a single PDA with NVFS as poorly-implemented as the Tungsten 5, they deserve to be tarred and feathered.

TVoR



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm eCONomy = Communismô

The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
Simony @ 11/4/2005 12:27:12 AM # Q
Bozo.

How sad.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/4/2005 12:36:24 AM # Q
It's embarassing to see that Palm Apologists are reduced to either nonsensical lies (Jeff Kirvin/Dr Opinion) or idiotic responses (Simony et. al.) when faced with the inescapable facts. People like you make it easy for Surur to convince casual observers that PalmOS is dead as a platform. At least Beersy tries to make plausible excuses in defence of Palm/PalmOS.

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm eCONomy = Communismô

The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
Simony @ 11/4/2005 7:12:17 AM # Q
Sad? No. Just the most succinct way to respond to your hilarious antics.

Your is best appreciated by remembering the context - by bearing in mind scores (if not hundreds) of your tongue-in-check posts regaling us to the glories of Sony Memory Sticks, etc. And the wonderful punch-line (how you can type it with a straight face?) you accuse others of being clueless about technology, about losing all shreds of credibility, etc. Brilliant; such wonderful irony. Your Nobel Prize for Comedy was so well deserved.

I look forward to hundreds more posts from you on how the Sony CLIE line will destroy Palm, how Palm is incompetant (as compared to those masterminds at Sony), etc, etc, etc.

Bozo.

RE: The Minnow Still Swims!
hkklife @ 11/4/2005 9:38:26 AM # Q
I think that SD is a good de facto choice for MEMORY/STORAGE expansion. I wouldn't put a microdrive in my PDA (me personally) even if it were SD-sized--it's still gobble power and be inately fragile. If Sony of all people could put a full-featured CF slot alongside a MemoryStick slot then Palm could easily do it with a few models for the power users out there. The LifeDrive dont properlyu could have been the HandEra 330 for this milennium.

CF makes for a good "super-sized" storage format AND expansion card. There's simply no reason that Palm couldn't have done a LifeDrive style device but instead of the internal MicroDrive atrocity, simply had an SDIO slot alongside a CF slot. Then let the user worry about stuffing it with any number of flash/HD cards. It'd be nice to see compaies like Socket etc. have a reason to write Palm drivers for their CF expansion cards.



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5

The Palm ecosystem is not healthy
sr4 @ 11/4/2005 11:26:35 AM # Q

This conversation of cf vs sd is symptomatic of the current lack of choices regarding sources of hardware currently. Obviously it would be mad for any one company to make a wide variety of form factors. At the very least it would indicate they have no idea what the market wants. But by only having one supplier there's no source of providers for the niche areas. You only have one company going for the highest volume (which is pretty sensible really) vs a whole ecosystem of companies going for (and attempting to satisfy) each and every customer.

Surur

I'm sorry to hear you feel this way.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/5/2005 1:17:11 PM # Q
Your is best appreciated by remembering the context - by bearing in mind scores (if not hundreds) of your tongue-in-check posts regaling us to the glories of Sony Memory Sticks, etc. And the wonderful punch-line (how you can type it with a straight face?) you accuse others of being clueless about technology, about losing all shreds of credibility, etc. Brilliant; such wonderful irony. Your Nobel Prize for Comedy was so well deserved.

I've never said Sony's use of Memory Stick was anything other than a calculated decision to make money by using a proprietary standard. Their profit margin on Memory Sticks is obscene* and they've even got companies like Lexar and SanDick to pony up licensing fees for the honor of being able to produce Memory Sticks. As the owner of a standard, they obviously had good reasons to use it (even though it initially was Not Ready For Prime Time) instead of the superior format (CompactFlash). But what was Palm's excuse? They neither owned the SD format nor did they have a snowball's chance in he11 of getting SDIO cards released in time for it to matter. The only irony here is the fact that you don't know the meaning of the word.

[*After seeing how larger capacity Memory Sticks were sold out for weeks after the PSP was launched, it appears that Sony knows exacty what they're doing. Memory Sticks might have become analogous to Gilette's razor blades if only Sony had wised up + included a Memory Stick slot in the PlayStation 2.]


I look forward to hundreds more posts from you on how the Sony CLIE line will destroy Palm, how Palm is incompetant (as compared to those masterminds at Sony), etc, etc, etc.

Nice to hear that you're a fan. Tryouts for the TVoR Cheerleading Squad are next week - bring your own pom-poms. In some ways the Sony CLIE line DID damage Palm significantly by showing consumers how weak Palm's hardware was by comparison. Palm lost a lot of potential customers for good because those of us who have used CLIEs would never accept using a shoddy "Made in China" Palm-branded PDA now that we're used to high quality equipment. Try not to be jealous, ma'am.


TVoR



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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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The Palm eCONomy = Communismô

The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038

NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823

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Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!

sr4 @ 11/1/2005 5:29:16 PM # Q
Palm Treo and Symbian Treo in the works, confirmed

I just heard from a ***very reliable source*** that there is indeed a new Palm Treo and a Symbian Treo in the works for both CDMA and GSM networks.

http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/10/palm-treo-and-symbian-treo-in-works.html

RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
cervezas @ 11/1/2005 5:56:54 PM # Q
I love the comment that "this explains the name Treo," as if Handspring planned to add Windows and Symbian versions back in the Spring of 2002 and are just now realizing their master plan.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
Gekko @ 11/1/2005 6:06:59 PM # Q

I believe that children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
twizza @ 11/1/2005 6:28:23 PM # Q
Gekko;
Because of u I now have Whitney Houston in my head and I cannot get her out.

Not funny.

mobileministrymagazine.com
antoinerjwright.com

RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
Dr Opinion @ 11/1/2005 7:39:56 PM # Q
Obviously Palm can only have two OSs, since that's what their CEO has stated categorically in public. The only explanation is that wince is being abandoned. Wow! :)

Wow! So this means that Palm is dumping wince! :)

I wonder if this is related to the recently announced closure of the wince division at microsoft, the "repositioning" of many wince engineers onto "other projects", and the rolling of the wince product into the "entertainement" division? :)

Pehaps Palm just doesn't want to be associated with a losing platform like wince? :)

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RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
ChiA @ 11/4/2005 4:15:25 AM # Q
Because of u I now have Whitney Houston in my head and I cannot get her out.

Who said it wasn't the original by George Benson?

:-)

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
twizza @ 11/4/2005 5:30:32 PM # Q
Trust me, if it were the original, I wouldnt be complaining. :)

mobileministrymagazine.com
antoinerjwright.com
RE: Jimmie, you LIED to me!!!!
sr4 @ 11/4/2005 5:40:51 PM # Q
Oh look, I'm not the only one irritated by Jimmie.

Originally Posted by Jimmie Geddes
I wrote this on my site yesterday. I got the information from a source a few weeks ago and published an article, engadget published my story as well.
http://www.gadgetsonthego.net/2005/...to-fire_02.html

I think the fact that Ed is talking so much about this is only re-affirming that this device was made, but will not be released due to Nokia.

I have been listening objectively to you for awhile now. I had no previous knowledge of you before you began posting on this site, and have only read what you've written here, as well as a few excerpts from your blog (I refuse to call it a "site"), and I have one question for you:

Do you EVER have the faintest backing for the things you say?

I do not believe you do. I find your view of yourself as some type of handheld/PDA professional strange and off-putting. You are...odd is the best thing I can think of.

Then again, I talk to squirrels.


http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=99315&page=1&pp=20

It warms the ****les of my heart to see sycophants get their comeuppance.

Surur

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Palm hardware sucks

jackpipe @ 11/1/2005 5:43:17 PM # Q
These rumours fly around as though the palm hardware is in some way something special, and the software doesn't much matter. In my opinion, it's the other way around - the treo hardware actually sucks - its not at all sexy, and not that full-featured. Their real benefit is that they are a really good PDA, and a passable phone, but hugely importantly, with full programability, and downloadable apps etc brought to bear on the phone functions, so that you can add all kinds of personalisation to how you deal with calls, all in one package.

As a simple example, most phones just keep a limited number of calls in the call history, and they often have a really annoying habit of only storing 'unique' numbers - so if 'martha' has called my 5 times, I only get to see a single entry, for the last time she called, perhaps along with a counter showing that she has actually called 5 times in total. With the treo, I can see each and every call. And I can write, or download apps that can do even more with that data. This flexibility, along with the palmOS ease of use is why the treo is worthwhile. Not the hardware.

RE: Palm hardware sucks
Dr Opinion @ 11/1/2005 7:34:57 PM # Q
According to your theory, any number of wince licensees could have easily replicated the Treo hardware and slapped wince on it. So the utter failure of any wince phones to capture marketshare can only be blamed on microsuck and wince? :)

What you're really saying is that the only reason that the Palm OS Treo dominates in the smartphone space is that is has Palm OS? :)

That's a pretty strong endorsement. Doesn't bode very well for the wince Treo, of course. :)


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RE: Palm hardware sucks
jackpipe @ 11/2/2005 5:11:50 AM # Q
Absolutely. Take a look at all the thumboard format PDA-phones that have come out in the last year or so, most of which look much nicer than the treo (they don't have the dorky antenna for a start), and have more functions (eg wifi).

None of them have set the world on fire. Why not ? They run windows. They don't have the palm marketing, or ease of use.

What the treo does well, or at least, better than the others, is integrate a phone into the PDA - or put another way - bring full PDA flexibility and ease of use to your phone.

RE: Palm hardware sucks
fishtastic @ 11/2/2005 8:10:28 AM # Q
They may have had thumboards but they weren't as good as the Treo thunmboard.

Also, they tended to have none standard resolutions like 240*240, yes that is support by winmob but isn't great for 3rd party apps.

Fish

RE: Palm hardware sucks
jackpipe @ 11/2/2005 1:02:18 PM # Q
You must be using a treo 650 thumboard. The one on the 600 sucks.


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Vicious POS Treo rumors

sr4 @ 11/1/2005 6:53:12 PM # Q
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I talked to our Sprint business rep (based out of the Sprint HQ). He said the Sprint's focus is on Windows Mobile, no longer PalmOS. They will continue to sell the 650 as long as it is a hot seller. The 650 will likely be the last PalmOS-based device by Sprint and once sales slide, the 650 will be gone.

I expect the 650 will sell well into next year but don't expect a new PalmOS-based phone, at least from Sprint.
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This is the same info I got from our local Cingular rep today (of course, take that one with about a cup of salt). They didn't know details, but knew that two new Windows phones are coming for Christmas, one with a keyboard, and they were replacing those other keyboard phones (not the Blackberries). I'm sure those are the HTC Faraday and Wizard models. I asked if they would continue the Treos and they said probably until they sell out. Go figure.


http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=96915&page=7&pp=20

Are the carriers divorcing themselves from PalmOS?

Surur

RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
Dr Opinion @ 11/1/2005 7:21:26 PM # Q
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My local Cingular reps just told that he didn't like the
color of Treo's at all. "I never did like that shiny color.
I'm going to be immediately halting all Treo sales. Yeah,
I'm not going to sell another Treo. I didn't get where I am
today by giving customers what they want and I don't intend
to start now. I don't care what people ask for. From now on,
they get huge clunky wince boxes that look like darth vader's
helmet."

Wow! Maybe it's true! :)

Moron. :)

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RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
cervezas @ 11/1/2005 7:26:29 PM # Q
Are the carriers divorcing themselves from PalmOS?

I doubt it. Conservative as they are they're very unlikely to make a decision like that until they see how the WM Treo does vs the 650. Likewise they're not going to push away from Palm Linux sight unseen. I certainly wouldn't conclude anything based on something said by some clueless reps at a cellphone store.

Truth is, there may very well not be another "Palm OS" Treo and the operators may already be aware of this. The software from PalmSource that would power a future Treo is going to be called something like "Netfront OS." Don't expect Access to let Palm brand it back to Palm OS.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

HOW TO SPOT AN m$ SHILL (It's fun and easy!)
Dr Opinion @ 11/1/2005 8:02:31 PM # Q
How to spot a microsuck shill (it's fun, and easy!)

> "...I talked to our Sprint business rep (based out of the Sprint HQ). He said the Sprint's focus is on Windows Mobile, no longer PalmOS..."

Since when did Sprint *ever* "focus" on Palm OS? What does that even *mean*? The claim is so weak and vague it could literally mean *anything* -- very handy if people actually challenge you on the facts. OK, let's press on: :)

> "...They will continue to sell the 650 as long as it is a hot seller. The 650 will likely be the last PalmOS-based device by Sprint and once sales slide, the 650 will be gone..."

This is brilliant. First of all it is not clear if the shill is editorializing, or if this is still supposed to be a quote from the imaginary "sprint rep". Notice the banal obviousness of "they will keep selling Treo 650's as long as they are hot sellers", and "once sales slide, the Treo 650 will be gone". These trivial observations are true for all phones. The clever part here is the lie, slipped between two banal and obvious truths: "The Treo 650 will likely be the last PalmOS-based device by Sprint". Did you spot that? :)

This is an astonishing claim, considering the source is *apparently* supposed to be mere sales rep. Maybe he's a clairvoyant sales rep, or a sales rep with some other magical powers. Of course, this could simply be the shills editorialization... a handy "out" in case someone from Sprint specifically challenges the lie. :)

> "...I expect the 650 will sell well into next year but don't expect a new PalmOS-based phone, at least from Sprint...."

The shill is now clearly editoralizing his opinions, rather than claiming to be quoting market-moving insights from a magical sprint sales rep. :)

Again, spot the banal and obvious truth: "the Treo 650 will sell well into next year", but carefully note the lie slipped onto the end, "don't expect a new PalmOS-based phone". Again, he doesn't say, "there will not be another PalmOS-based phone", merely that we "should not expect" one. :)

This type of juxtaposition of truth, ambiguity, and lies is essential for the successful shill, and critical when you are trying to build credibility for your lies. :)

All in all, that's some great shilling you "found" there, Surur. I'd give it a 8/10. Please congratulate your colleagues. Much better than your "work". :)



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RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
sr4 @ 11/1/2005 8:06:57 PM # Q
David, these are obviously rumors, but they specifically state moving to WM vs just moving away from POS to possibly POSLinux.

Surur

RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
cervezas @ 11/1/2005 8:14:37 PM # Q
they specifically state moving to WM vs just moving away from POS

The next Treo is running WM and when it comes out the 650 will be over a year old. Whatever Palm says about their OS plans for Treos after that is just talk right now. From the perspective of the operators they are selling Palm OS Treos this year and will be selling more WM Treos next year. Beyond that, they don't know. Any way you slice it that's a move away from Palm toward WM and there's not surprise in it being characterized that way.

But if you think after the enormous success the operators have had and continue to have with the 650 that they've decided not to talk with Palm about future Palm OS Treos then you're a lot more gullible than I usually give you credit.


David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
Gekko @ 11/1/2005 8:33:23 PM # Q

the trend is clear. palmos is on its way out and winmob is gaining more and more market share day after day. the apologists lie but the numbers don't. the momentum and inertia can't be stopped. critical mass is almost here - whether you like it or not.

enjoy.

RE: Vicious POS Treo rumors
Gekko @ 11/1/2005 8:44:47 PM # Q

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." - Revelations 6:8

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