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Palm TX Modified for Voice Recording

Palm OS programmer Dmitry Grinberg has added voice recording to his Palm TX with a few spare electronics parts. All that he added was a capacitor, resistor, a small microphone inside the case and the voice recording software from the LifeDrive.

Palm TX Voice RecordingThere is a video posted of the TX voice recording in action:

http://www.palmpowerups.com/TXmic.avi (.avi, 4.2MB)

Dmitry says this modification can be added to other models that have the Intel PXA processors, which includes the Zire 31, Tungsten E2 and the Tungsten T5.

Thanks to TamsPalm for the tip.

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Holy Crap!

legodude522 @ 11/28/2005 3:29:31 PM # Q
The force is strong in this one!

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RE: Holy Crap!
4s @ 11/28/2005 6:08:10 PM # Q
After a very long day, I got a good laugh out of this post.

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1 down, 5 to go...

sremick @ 11/28/2005 3:30:12 PM # Q
Sweet! 1 down, 5 to go:

- Vibrating alert
- charge/alert LED
- speaker pointing to front where it makes sense and is actually useful
- G1 option
- SD slot dust flap

Not sure why we're not only Palm's beta-test group, but their R&D group as well...

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
AdamaDBrown @ 11/28/2005 5:52:43 PM # Q
You can already get G1 on the TX by using Igor Nesterov's hack. Just do a full backup first, because it can sometimes cause a hard reset.

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
sremick @ 11/28/2005 6:00:07 PM # Q
Awesome!!!! G1 is a big deal. Two down! :D

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dmitrygr @ 11/28/2005 6:12:04 PM # Q
- Vibrating alert>

this is 2nd on my mod list

- charge/alert LED

this is first on my mod list

- speaker pointing to front where it makes sense and is actually useful

this is not on my mod list at all

- SD slot dust flap

this is #4 on my mod list

what's #4?
camera.
why?
because its same proc as zire 72. no chip for cam. processor has camera support built in so its just a matter or wiring it to it and copying camLib :-)


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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hkklife @ 11/28/2005 6:16:33 PM # Q
Full CDMA Bluetooth support would be nice for the CDMA phones that DO support DUN profiles. I'd offer $50 PayPal immediately if a working solution was achieved.

SUPERB work, by the way.

And, 100% stable G1 would be superb (ie no crashing in text entry boxes in Blazer) etc.



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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Surur @ 11/28/2005 6:16:53 PM # Q

Cool hack, but where's the step by step?

Surur

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dmitrygr @ 11/28/2005 6:27:27 PM # Q
>Cool hack, but where's the step by step?

here:

1. go to radioshack and by the cheapest wired headset you can find ($9.99 likely) it should have a wire then a mic module then a wire to earbud

2. crack the mic module open and desolder the microphone.

3. open the TX, disconnect the cables from LCD and Buttons and turn the motherboard over so you see the side with the processor on it

4. solder mic in as i showed here: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/diymictx.jpg



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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Simony @ 11/28/2005 6:39:47 PM # Q
7th, a kitchen sink too.

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dmitrygr @ 11/28/2005 7:05:44 PM # Q
hi-res pic: http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/diymictx_hr.jpg

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
ChiA @ 11/29/2005 1:57:35 AM # Q
Simony said 7th, a kitchen sink too

I wonder how many $304 Tx sales were lost so that you could save $5 on a Tx without your "kitchen sink" voice recording?

$5 is all it costs me to buy those components at retail in the UK, I'm sure that even Palm could have negotiated a greater volume discount on these components.

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
2xs @ 11/29/2005 2:10:58 AM # Q
- Vibrating alert

agree! would be nice... or at least an deeplow alarmsound...

<<<- charge/alert LED

mmh.... I dont want to saw around on my TX-body O.o

<<<- speaker pointing to front where it makes sense and is actually useful

have u ever tried it ? It´s much better than the T3-speaker

<<

hrr hrr great comment :-)
gr33tz 2XS



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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
AdamaDBrown @ 11/29/2005 4:33:54 AM # Q
It's not so much the parts themselves as it is the fact that they'd have to redesign the TE style case to accomodate things like a microphone, LED, and decent power button. To do even those minor tweaks would cost a lot more than just buying the parts. Retaining the same case design is one of the reasons that the T5, TE2, and TX have to be insanely cheap for Palm to produce. I'm not saying it's right, just that you're suffering because of Palm's greed in the past, not any current greed.

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Simony @ 11/29/2005 5:13:34 AM # Q
Agreed. If they are to redesign the case for basic units like the TE2, I'd prefer it if they made the new unit much thinner and lighter (ie, rather than adding microphones, vibrating alarms, etc).

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Simony @ 11/29/2005 5:21:26 AM # Q
> $5 is all it costs me to buy those components at retail in the UK, I'm sure that even Palm could have negotiated a greater volume discount on these components.

Yes, but add the incidental costs the manufacturer would suffer - transport and storage, additional working capital costs, etc. Then add the manufacturer's mark-up on top of that (contract manufacturers often use a 'cost plus' pricing methodology). Then add the wholesaler's mark-up to that and then the retailer's mark-up on top of that. Then add sales tax to the retail purchase price.

If the manufacturer, wholesaler and retailer mark-ups are 30%, 50% and 50% respectively, a $5 component would add $14.63 to the retail price (before sales taxes).

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
ChiA @ 11/29/2005 8:47:56 AM # Q
Simony said Yes, but add the incidental costs... blah blah blah

You've missed the point, $5 is the RETAIL PRICE of the components, i.e. how much I, as an end of chain consumer, pay for buying them in the shop. That means all these mark ups and taxes you refer to are already included in the $5 price. It'll be cheaper still for Palm as they'd be paying wholesale prices for these components.

True, a case design would have added to the cost of the unit; it's ironic that one man could get a microphone to work well without any case modification whereas a company full of designers, engineers etc couldn't! Someone at Palm should give Dmitry a job!

In fairness we don't know what effect the microphone has on battery life.

"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hkklife @ 11/29/2005 12:10:27 PM # Q
A case redesign might've have cost XXX dollars, yes BUT look at it this way:

They redesigned the back panel of the TX to accomodate the larger reset button. In a horrible pinch they could've mounted the mic opening somewhere on the back panel. A muffled VR is better than NO VR!

Secondly, this is going to be Palm's main meat'n potatoes non-Treo model for the fall of '05 and through most of '06. A FEW $ could have been scraped out of the coffers to redesign the top panel ONLY of the unit.

They could have added, with very little rearranging/modding:

1. Charge LED and/or a better sized/bulbous power button
2. Mic opening for a voice recorder
3. (Debatable) A small remappable hard button for screen rotation/wireles on/off ala the Treo, Then they could have had a LD-style DIA bar with the home button & wireless icons on it but relegate screen rotation to a hard button somewhere. The TX could then still use the same bottom panel and front/rear bezels it has now.
I'm not an injection molding or tooling expert but this doesn't seem like a huge challenge. With the costs reduced from the T5 by both feature-cutting & economies of scale, a charge LED & a VR would NOT be big deals to include!

Or here's something I suggested here earlier this year...they could've adapted the Zire 72 case design by making it black, dropping the camera, adding an Athena connector & 320*480 screen and ended up with an arguably better TX design.

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dmitrygr @ 11/29/2005 1:07:05 PM # Q
>In fairness we don't know what effect the microphone has on battery life.

yes we do. none at all. palm power sysbsystem turns off the adc when no incoming sound streams are open.

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
SeldomVisitor @ 11/29/2005 2:35:24 PM # Q
> ...You've missed the point, $5 is the RETAIL PRICE of the
> components...

Perhaps the modification violates someone's patent.

Maybe there are unusual feedback problems that show up when inside a car that couldn't be overcome.

Perhaps...well, ya get the idea - maybe upfront simple cost was not the reason.


RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hoodoo @ 11/29/2005 2:45:36 PM # Q
I had a quick look at the specs on Palm's web site:

The T5 and TX cases are exactly the same. So no mods there. The case for the TE2 is slightly different in height (6mm) and width (1mm), so therefore the T5/TX would have required a new injection mould anyways, so they could have made changes for mic's and led's when introducing the T5.

As far as running the business for accounting purposes, the cost of the TE/2 case would have probably been amortized to zero by the time the T5 was introduced, so the T5 design was probably changed slightly so they could amortize it again.

Either Palm liked the styling so much, or they could only afford couple of hours on the CAD program to redesign the T5. :)

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dm @ 11/29/2005 5:34:19 PM # Q
I think everyone has missed the point.. I dont think its a matter of cost or re-engineering or whatever. I think its a deliberate marketing move to provide some differentiation between this and the lifedrive / any future models.

As for the vibrate alarm that is the one thing I desperately miss. The Lifedrive did not have one of those (I cannot fathom why) so they could not put one in this unit either. why does no current palm model have a vib alarm!!!! dimitry is going to have his work cutout to put in a vib alarm since the current required will likely necessitate additional driver circuitry (I will scream if its already in there) and mounting etc will be difficult.

nb: I recently traded my lifedrive for a TX and could not be happier!

T|T3 here...
ackmondual @ 11/29/2005 6:25:31 PM # Q
- Vibrating alert
- charge/alert LED
- speaker pointing to front where it makes sense and is actually useful
- G1 option
- SD slot dust flap

Not to brag or anything, but I have all of these on my T|T3.

Ironically enough, I use all of those features (cept for G1. I'm happy with G2, but not that unhappy with it that I would switch back to G1). I just didn't know it till i paid attn.

On the flip side, I wouldn't mind having pictures in Contacts, wifi, more updated BT, more updated OS, and even more one handed navigation in all.... but I just wouldn't give up the T|T3 for the T|X. The pics in Contacts would be nice, but everything else would get used very little. I hear in some places, the enhanced one handed nav is more trouble than its worth.

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Simony @ 11/30/2005 5:57:01 AM # Q
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on this. While a number of us are passionate about the need for voice recorders, vibrating alarms, etc, I can't help thinking that we are mising the wood for the trees.

Let me give you a 'for instance'. I went to a meeting with 4 investment bankers yesterday - 3 of them had blackberries. At one stage, I took out my TE2 to check my availability for a proposed meeting, and they asked me what kind of 'blackberry' it is. I told them that it is a 'palmpilot' - they looked at me like I was a martian - so then I said that it is a just an 'organiser' which does not have email - and they made some derisory remarks about it. (It was only when I showed them a spreadsheet with Docs to Go they they were even mildly interested.)

Having played with a blackberry for about 5 minutes, my impression is that it is pretty primitive, both as to software and hardware. However, it does have 'push' email and you can use it to make calls. Which is what a lot of people are happy to pay for.

The sooner that Palm can get 'push' email for the Treo line the better. In addition, they need to cut the price of the Treo line, to make a viable option for more people and to force out competitors.

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
whitemiata @ 11/30/2005 9:00:29 AM # Q
LOL!!!

To the guy who said something like "The lifedrive doesn't have vibrating alarm and I can't fathom why?"

You're kidding, right?

Two words: Micro Drive

:-P

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Gekko @ 11/30/2005 10:03:12 AM # Q

whitemiata - do you really think a small little buzz from a vibrating alarm would cause more shock to a micro drive vs. the dramatic shocks, shakes, rattles, rolls, and drops of everyday life/transport/usage? lots of people strap ipods to themselves while aggressively working out and have no problems.


RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hkklife @ 11/30/2005 10:45:43 AM # Q
Notice on Palm's web site & marketing propaganda for the TX they say "The look is timeless" or something similar? That's their way of saying "look how many T|E derivatives we've forced down your throats. What was once the cheapest Tungsten is now masquerading as their flagship PDA (I'm talking about casing/styling, guys, not specs).

No, greed, arrogance and laziness (mostly greed) are the only reasons for the elimination of previously standard features (cahrge LED, VR, vibrating alarm, metal body, G1, cradle).

I got my 2nd T3 *NEW* for $339 new at BB in early '04. There's simply no reason they could sell it profitably at that price point then and something as cheap'n shoddy as the TX is still $300 MSRP nowadays. Palm is making GOOD margins on these things...if they are not then it's something they are doing wrong on their end. The tooling/CAD/R&D costs on something like a TX should have all been amortized by this point, aside from the continued hacking/tweaking/fixing of VM/Blazer/FrankenGarnet. Basically, the TX likely cost them more in terms of software work/testing/marketing than any part of its hardware did.

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
dm @ 11/30/2005 8:58:00 PM # Q
Gekko is spot on. These portable drives are designed to withstand a lot. And even if there was concern then there is no reason why they could not have software routine to ensure the drive was parked before initiating the vibration.

I have started to think a little more laterally regarding the vib alarm though. The main reason for it (for me) is when I switch device to silent in a meeting. Not to be notified during the meeting but for when I forget to switch the sound back on after.

How about a utility to switch to silent for a specified time period (length of meeting + some) then automatically switch it back on. Hey it could even sound an alarm at the end of the time if any alarms triped while in silent mode.

Is there something that can already do this (ive not checked yet)? or maybe it would be a good first project to learn about palmOS software development ;-)

Dean

Automatic profiles?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/30/2005 10:20:43 PM # Q
How about a utility to switch to silent for a specified time period (length of meeting + some) then automatically switch it back on.


I haven't looked a Treo apps in over a year, but you may want to look at Profles: (http://mytreo.net/downloads/details-19.html?

and Butler: (http://www.hobbyistsoftware.com/Butler_more.php)



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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hkklife @ 11/30/2005 11:04:01 PM # Q
Voice;

Your thoughts on the possible (partial) shutdown of BB service? Will RIM suddenly start making serious overtures to Palm (if they haven't already) as the rumormill suggested in the past.

Your thoughts/predictions would be appreciated. Might the Treo 700w & 700p be the FINAL "Palms by Palm" releases? Inquiring minds want to know!

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RIMming Lawsuits In Motion
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/30/2005 11:40:25 PM # Q
Your thoughts on the possible (partial) shutdown of BB service? Will RIM suddenly start making serious overtures to Palm (if they haven't already) as the rumormill suggested in the past.

As bogus as the NTP patents are, ordinarily I'd be outraged if the Supreme Court refuses to review the case + RIM ultimately loses. But this is Lawsuits In Motion we're talking about. I hope Gates lends NTP a few of his best Court Sharks and RIM gets fcuked up the a$$. Hard. With no lube. Mike Cane-style. A dead RIM sure would help Mr. Gates' Windows Mobile platform, wouldn't it...

Your thoughts/predictions would be appreciated. Might the Treo 700w & 700p be the FINAL "Palms by Palm" releases? Inquiring minds want to know!

I expect Palm to gradually fade away as they become uncompetitive with WinMob and Nokia phones. Losing PalmOS sealed Palm's fate and NetFrontLinux will turn PalmOS into a shell of its former self.

TVoR

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
hkklife @ 12/1/2005 12:20:08 AM # Q
Gradually fading away? Didn't that start four years ago?

In all seriousness, and going slightly OT here, I have been putting a 2nd TX through its paces. I still think it's ENORMOUSLY underwhelming-again, regardless of the asking price or web prices in the ~$250 neighborhood.

FrankenGarnet is just CRIPPLED in its current execution, especially when asked (tasked?) to handle dual wireless & 320*480. How bad is it when you have two TXs or two LifeDrives side by side, BOTH totally "clean" from a hard reset and one crashes more often than the other or has strange quirks. I can see getting bad hardware batches but how do you get "bad" OS loads? Corrupt ROMs?

Remember, I consider a Palm's core functionality as its completely VIRGINAL out-of-the-box-state. If it's unstable/crash-prone with VersaMail/Blazer/Bluetooth then I write it off as a lost cause immediately since most Joe six-pack types don't even bother loading anything onto their Palms other than PIM data and a game or two.

Palm really needs to step up to the plate and ensure that their future handhelds/Treos (assuming there are any) are absolutely bulletproof in every way imaginable in their default, factory fresh states.


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Staying OT for a bit longer...
twizza @ 12/1/2005 11:08:37 AM # Q
hkklife;
Just commenting on your previous post about the virgin devices and one crashing and another crashing more...

Something I noticed about Garnet when I reviewed teh Qool QDA-700 was that Garnet is a really bare OS. All of the major functionality and dang near everything that we appreciate about the PalmOS is a faction of Palm/Sony's massaging, and not PalmSource development. So much to the point that the PalmSOurce Mail and Webbrowser 2.0 clients absoutley sucked on the QDA. And aside from the included Launcher II (yes it included), the OS is very raw and cannot do much of anything. If anything, the QDA makes TVOR's point of PalmSource needing Palm and vice versa painfully clear.

For one reason or another, some programs, not all, but some programs tap a bit hard at the core OS a bit more than others. The added in networking abilities cause anything network based to be unstable by design. Yes, the Treo 600 is a heck of a marvel, and after 3 attempts, Handspring really did get it right. But at its core the PalmOS really did suck wind.

We get mad at Palm, and rightfully so, for taking features out of "new" devices. But for the most part, I dont see an OS that can handle even those features without some level of OS hacking. And while NO OS should be this unstable when programs are added, the lack of some type of approval system by PalmSource for its licensees for the hacks and bundled programs has made for just as bad an experience for us, as it is finding out things are in the OS that were left out. PalmSource didnt give a heavy enough hand to its licensees and therefore we have Garnet, which could have lasted until PalmLinux, dying an embarassing death.

[now, usually when I post, there is no response, like me saying something just closes the thread; hope that isnt the case here, but who knows, it just might happen again]

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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Surur @ 12/1/2005 1:28:16 PM # Q
There you go Antoine, you've killed the conversation ;)

Its probably too depressing because its true.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...

RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
zz4fff @ 12/24/2005 6:50:05 PM # Q
Please, if possible make a tutorial showing all the steps to make this changes in my TX. Yes, I have some habilities in electronis. Tell me what I need to do this changes. Thank you!

twizza: we have been deceived
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 12/27/2005 2:55:22 PM # Q
Just commenting on your previous post about the virgin devices and one crashing and another crashing more...

What are these "virgin devices"? ;-O

Something I noticed about Garnet when I reviewed teh Qool QDA-700 was that Garnet is a really bare OS. All of the major functionality and dang near everything that we appreciate about the PalmOS is a faction of Palm/Sony's massaging, and not PalmSource development. So much to the point that the PalmSOurce Mail and Webbrowser 2.0 clients absoutley sucked on the QDA. And aside from the included Launcher II (yes it included), the OS is very raw and cannot do much of anything. If anything, the QDA makes TVOR's point of PalmSource needing Palm and vice versa painfully clear.

PalmSource lacked the resources to create a polished, fully-debugged OS. They couldn't even fix PalmOS 5. It shuld be painfully obvious by now to everyone here why PalmOS 6 (cobalt) failed and why PalmOS 7 (PalmLinux) was destined to arrive far too late to matter.

For one reason or another, some programs, not all, but some programs tap a bit hard at the core OS a bit more than others. The added in networking abilities cause anything network based to be unstable by design. Yes, the Treo 600 is a heck of a marvel, and after 3 attempts, Handspring really did get it right. But at its core the PalmOS really did suck wind.

I don't think it's fair to bash PalmOS 5. It was asked to do so much more than it rightfully should have been expected to accomplish that it's amazing the OS didn't blow up. Telephony and Wi-Fi implementations are not something PalmSource is particularly adept at dealing with. As usual, the problem was Palm/PalmSource chose to avoid evolving the OS until it was almost too late and then had to rush things in an emergency situation. Designing an OS under severe time constraints is not a good idea - especially whe the OS is pushing into territory that the company is unfamiliar with.

We get mad at Palm, and rightfully so, for taking features out of "new" devices. But for the most part, I dont see an OS that can handle even those features without some level of OS hacking. And while NO OS should be this unstable when programs are added, the lack of some type of approval system by PalmSource for its licensees for the hacks and bundled programs has made for just as bad an experience for us, as it is finding out things are in the OS that were left out. PalmSource didnt give a heavy enough hand to its licensees and therefore we have Garnet, which could have lasted until PalmLinux, dying an embarassing death.

Palm/PalmSource was in no position to limit licensee's ability to customize PalmOS since Palm/PalmSource was too lazy/incompetent to provide licensees with the features being customized in the first place.

Cobalt, the bogus Palm "split" and Palm's refusal to evolve the OS when Palms were selling like hotcakes are the three main reasons PalmOS collapsed. I still am shocked by how poorly-managed Palm was. When people find out the details of Palm's failure I guarantee they'll be amazed that the company lasted as long as it did.


TVoR


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RE: 1 down, 5 to go...
Katarzyna @ 1/27/2006 7:43:17 AM # Q
Dear All,


I would like to introduce a microphone to my Tungsten T5.
Unfortunately I can not access a picture by Dimitry:
http://www.palmpowerups.com/priv/diymictx_hr.jpg

Would you be so kind to tell me where I can find it.

Best Regards

Katarzyna

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$30 capacitor, $20 resistor, $50 microphone

sr4 @ 11/28/2005 3:38:17 PM # Q

Those three parts must have cost $100, because omitting them was the only way Palm could hit the $300 mark... Now where's that $100 LED...

Surur

RE: $30 capacitor, $20 resistor, $50 microphone
dmitrygr @ 11/28/2005 6:15:16 PM # Q
Capacitor and resistor and mic all together cost me $9.99 in radioshack in the form of the cheapest wired headset for cellphones. Inside it already had the capacitor and resistor attached to the mic as needed and it was just a matter of tuning the resistor to desired sensitivity and connecting it all to the inside of the palm.

The hardest part was placement. Believe it or not there is very little space inside. i placed it in the only place it fit and coincidentally it is next to the hotsync port so it has a hole to the outside and thus no need for me to make any extra holes.

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RE: $30 capacitor, $20 resistor, $50 microphone
DWD @ 11/29/2005 10:52:11 AM # Q
Well done dmitrygr!!!

Given that Palm must have known that they could have voice recording ability for around $5.00, they must think that it is a little wanted/needed feature. I disagree. Given two identical Palms except one with voice-record, I wouldn't hesitate to pay $20 or $30 extra bucks for the recordable one. Seems like a big misstep for Palm.

Again, absolutely awesome dmitrygr!!!

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