Palm Launches the Treo 650 in Colombia

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I was truly shocked at how nice, modern and clean most parts of the city were. Pleeeeenty of places to plant 650s down there. I might recommend the double kryptonite lockable belt holster tho. :-D

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

/sarcasm

"Many good political & spiritual changes are taking place and organized crime is slowly getting squeezed"

Sounds like the results of the past few months of housecleaning at PalmSource!

/end sarcasm

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Sadly, I'm not sure I would use the term "housecleaning" to describe what has been going on at PalmSource over the last several months. That implies engineers are being pushed out intentionally when I fear it's more like they are slipping through PalmSource's fingers. I'm not talking about Marty Fouts here: http://careers.hodes.com/palmsource/joblist.asp

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
Software Everywhere blog
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Beersy, anyone that was smart enough to see the writing on the wall has either already left or given notice that they're leaving. The rest will presumably Be left to wander about weeping and in a daze when Hurricaine Kamada hits later this year.

Some of those listings are for reinforcements, but I believe MOST of them are indeed for replacement staff. Palm/PalmSource has actually lost a lot of good people over the years through its own stupidity + shortsightednedd. (And what was the deal with not retaining Gavin Maxwell?)

I will opine that there is still plenty of dead weight at PalmSource, and despite Skippy's preoccupation with Be, most of it is former Palm staffers. I suspect that if Access cleans house, those are the folks going to be the most surprised -- especially the ones with no marketable skills outside of PalmOS.

May You Live in Interesting Times

Semantics, Marty. Either way, they're all just codemonkeys keeping the seats warm until all he11 breaks loose. More than half the coders that were working at PalmSource December 1, 2005 will no longer be around 1 year later. Every time PalmSource cuts/shuffles b positions, they throw a lot of the babies out with the bathwater. And retain a surprising amount of the soap scum. I wonder why anyone with decent skills would actually want to work in such an unstable environment.

I will opine that there is still plenty of dead weight at PalmSource,

Perhaps, but there's 150 pounds less driftwood since you left.

and despite Skippy's preoccupation with Be, most of it is former Palm staffers.

Ouch! You vicious little biotch! That wasn't very polite. Nice to see you're not bitter about being shown the door at PalmSource, Marty. I'm amazed you managed to stay at PalmSource for a year without getting killed in a lunchroom brawl, Oz-style.

I suspect that if Access cleans house, those are the folks going to be the most surprised -- especially the ones with no marketable skills outside of PalmOS.

When Access cleans house, EVERYONE is going to be surprised. I hope they have trailer parks in Nanjing...

TVoR

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Is this what you and Voice were making veiled references to in an earlier thread, David? Has PalmSource suddenly received a mass of resignations or something?

Tim Carroll
Your friendly customer service robot
(and big Treo fan)

Unlike, you, Skippy, I can't get bitter about something that didn't happen, so I've got nothing about PalmSource to be bitter about. I left PalmSource, and took an offer for more money.

Any current attrition isn't due to house cleaning, either. If people are leaving, it's because, like me, they've had enough of PalmSource and wanted to move on.

As much as you manage to get wrong, I would imagine that if you really do have a web column it's for the Register or some other such paragon of unchecked facts.

May You Live in Interesting Times

In your opinion. But then we already know what your "opinion" is worth.

Access didn't spend 300 million to then turn around and fire everyone.

I never said they would. Nanjing seems to be quite a healthy troop of codemonkeys. Sunnyvale's troop is fighting a killer (code)monkey virus.

Besides, as you still don't understand, the Nanjing team is doing just fine. They are shipping a Linux phone OS to customers who are shipping product, and they'll still be around in a year.

No, YOU still don't understand. The CMS-derived division in Nanjing is the only part of PalmSource that is "doing just fine". The infection is in the American division. PalmSource already has amputated several gangrenous limbs in an attempt to save any remaining viable tissue, but vital organs are shutting down and checking out one by one. The odds of an organ transplant working in an ICU patient are not good. And if you change the direction of your core product 3 times in a year (Cobalt -> PalmLinux -> NetFrontLinux) and lack the bodies to do the grunt work, it does not bode well for meeting production schedules. Meanwhile, as PalmSource's dates for going gold slip, the competition is not exactly standing still. Surur's recent post about DoCoMo planning to sell Windows Mobile handsets in Japan is quite ominous. http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8322#117623

Unlike, you, Skippy, I can't get bitter about something that didn't happen, so I've got nothing about PalmSource to be bitter about. I left PalmSource, and took an offer for more money.

If that's what you want people to believe, so be it.

Any current attrition isn't due to house cleaning, either. If people are leaving, it's because, like me, they've had enough of PalmSource and wanted to move on.

Like rats fleeing a sinking ship, reality is gradually starting to sink in. The next phase of pain will hit PalmSource later this year. Due diligence indeed. McVeigh did good. Who says you can't shine sh!t?

As much as you manage to get wrong, I would imagine that if you really do have a web column it's for the Register or some other such paragon of unchecked facts.

You're too kind. Keep guessing.

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Marty, I challenge you to go on record and state what percentage of USA-based PalmSource employees that were working for PalmSource at the end of November 2005 will still be there at the end of November, 2006. I say less than 50%. Do you have the cojones to make your own prediction? I expect you won't.

TVoR

Interesting how after I point out that Nanjing is doing well you add USA-based as a qualifier. I'm also amused that you went from "codemonkey" to "employee." You're big on moving the goalposts, Skippy. I hope you don't mind if I don't bother to go dig up the various posts where you bad mouthed Nanjing, now that you've changed your tune again.

I say less than 50%. Do you have the cojones to make your own prediction? I expect you won't.

I've made such a prediction and shared it with people it matters to. But I'm not going to share it with you. I will predict that if it is less than 50% it'll be almost entirely people who made the transition from Palm to Palmsource and are still there.

Besides, it's a moot point. PSRC USA is now a privately held company, and come December '06, neither you nor I will have access to the information necessary to answer that question. At this point, neither you nor I have access to the current employee roster to establish the baseline from.

Yes, Skippy, I am too kind, and no, Skippy, I'm not guessing.

HAND

May You Live in Interesting Times

Interesting how after I point out that Nanjing is doing well you add USA-based as a qualifier. I'm also amused that you went from "codemonkey" to "employee." You're big on moving the goalposts, Skippy. I hope you don't mind if I don't bother to go dig up the various posts where you bad mouthed Nanjing, now that you've changed your tune again.

More lies from you Marty? Wow. Please cut the B.S. I've always maintained that The Chinese branch is the most viable limb PalmSource has left. Please post some links to where I "bad mouthed Nanjing". I dare you.

I was trying to be polite when I referred to your (former) fellow codemonkeys as "employees".

>>> say less than 50%. Do you have the cojones to make your own prediction? I expect you won't.

I've made such a prediction and shared it with people it matters to. But I'm not going to share it with you. I will predict that if it is less than 50% it'll be almost entirely people who made the transition from Palm to Palmsource and are still there.

As I said, you don't have the cojones to lay it on the line. You are pure chickensh*t, Marty.

Besides, it's a moot point. PSRC USA is now a privately held company, and come December '06, neither you nor I will have access to the information necessary to answer that question. At this point, neither you nor I have access to the current employee roster to establish the baseline from.

Since when does having informaton hidden make it a "moot point"? Only in the fractured logic of your world, Marty.

Yes, Skippy, I am too kind, and no, Skippy, I'm not guessing.

TVoR

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If you say so, Marty. And PalmSource didn't boot your sorry a$$ out the door either, right?

TVoR

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If you're sick fantasies require that PalmSource booted my silly ass, then by all means, continue to believe them. No one expects you to live in the real world.

Go back to the thread where you mistakenly claimed that PalmSource would run out of money in '06. Among the many mistakes you made in that thread were several disparaging comments about the competence of Nanjing's staff. I'm too lazy to dig them up, but anyone who wants to see glaring examples of how you try to play both sides of the point will find many in that thread.

And which is it, Skippy, 'employees' or 'code monkeys'? That would be two significantly different groups of people. But then, you like to use very vague language so that you can claim you meant something different later on.

It's a moot point, Skippy, not because it won't happen, but because there's no way to show who is right or not. But then, you like making predictions that can't be checked.

May You Live in Interesting Times

Allow me to state clearly, emphatically and officially that PalmSource did no such thing.

David "Lefty" Schlesinger
Director, Core Tools and Technologies
PalmSource, Inc.

Like I said, Marty: tell whatever story it is that you want people to believe. Just to remind you of the FACTS though, do you remember which day you left PalmSource? And which day you were planning to leave? Are the two dates the same? Yeah. Right. Keep playing fast and loose with reality there, buddy.

Go back to the thread where you mistakenly claimed that PalmSource would run out of money in '06. Among the many mistakes you made in that thread were several disparaging comments about the competence of Nanjing's staff. I'm too lazy to dig them up, but anyone who wants to see glaring examples of how you try to play both sides of the point will find many in that thread.

So you come out and blither, "I hope you don't mind if I don't bother to go dig up the various posts where you bad mouthed Nanjing, now that you've changed your tune again." To which I replied that I've said that China MobileSoft's code monkeys are PalmSource's best (only?) asset and asked you to back up your B.S. claims. In fact, I've often suggested that much of the most important work going on in PalmSource is now being done by PalmSource's code monkeys in the Nanjing Zoo office. As usual, you turn and RUN, tail between your legs. I'd suggest YOU go back and read the thread you're referring to. Had PalmSource not been bought out, they would likely have burned through their cash reserves and gone bankrupt around the time I predicted they would. I'm surprised you'd try to bring that up again. Be a man for a change and stop running, Marty. Make a stand and go down in flames like all the other dumba$$ Palm Apologists. Don't be a c0ckroach Marty. Don't run and hide when the lights come on.

And which is it, Skippy, 'employees' or 'code monkeys'? That would be two significantly different groups of people. But then, you like to use very vague language so that you can claim you meant something different later on.

You asked that already, Marty. And I answered you. Have someone read you the post above. ("I was trying to be polite when I referred to your (former) fellow codemonkeys as "employees".") I assume English is a second language for you? No problem.

It's a moot point, Skippy, not because it won't happen, but because there's no way to show who is right or not. But then, you like making predictions that can't be checked.

No, it's NOT a "moot point", Marty. When the guillotine comes down on the heads of the the code monkeys remaining at PalmSource, there will be pure carnage and chaos. Code monkey heads will roll, spilling simian blood and (tiny) monkey brains all over the PalmSource HQ. It will be pretty easy to do a head count to assess the losses sustained by the PalmSource USA troop by November 2006. As I said, less than 50% of the code monkeys that were present in November 2005 will still be there one year later. This REALLY bodes well for the platform...

Take care

TVoR

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
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You do, realize, of course, that all you're doing is highlighting just how unreliable you are as a source, don't you?

No, it's NOT a "moot point", Marty. When the guillotine comes down on the heads of the the code monkeys remaining at PalmSource, there will be pure carnage and chaos.

Nope, not going to happen like that at all. It's very unlikely that head count at PSRC will be less on 1 Dec 06 than it was on 1 Dec 07. PSRC has too many development committments and Access isn't the sort of company to back out of committments.

There will continute to be attrition, I'm sure, but if will be people leaving because they're tired of PalmSource, not the other way around.

As I said, less than 50% of the code monkeys that were present in November 2005 will still be there one year later.

The 50% number may be true, but, as usual in your sick fantasies, you've got the reasons all wrong. Despite your mistaken claims to the contrary -- claims which have now been shown false by PSRC's own management -- there's no housecleaning going on, and heads aren't rolling. Nor will any roll as a result of Access action in the next year.

By the way, Skippy, giving a termination date 6 weeks in the future, and being asked to change it to the traditional 2 weeks is not being booted. I'm not the one who is playing fast and loose with reality here.

Makes one wonder if any of your claims, like having a web column, or knowing various people are not just more of the same lack of reality.

You should get out more. The real world is a lot more interesting than your sick fantasies.

May You Live in Interesting Times