Rumor: Picture Leaked of New Palm Handheld
Pocket PC Thoughts has what it claims is a leaked image of a new Palm model that runs OS 5. Named "Oslo", it appears to have a Graffiti area that can be hidden by physically sliding the bottom of the handheld up over it. This is quite similar to the Sharp Zaurus, except that model has a keyboard that is hidden in the same way. According to Pocket PC Thoughts, this model will be coming out within 60 days.
Update This image may have actually originated at the Thai Palm Users Group, as they have a copy that includes the serial number that is missing from the Pocket PC Thoughts' version.
It seems unlikly that "Oslo" will be the final name of this handheld; instead, this is almost certainly the name it has been assigned during development.
Pocket PC Thoughts has released no other information on this model.
On the front of the Oslo are the standard four launcher buttons. However, the up/down buttons have been replaced with a directional controller.
Also clearly visible on the front is a speaker. Built into Palm OS 5 is the ability to record sound and play CD-quality digital audio. It is not known if this model also has a microphone.
OS 5 also has support for high-resolution screens and Palm has said it will use them in future models. Unfortunately, it isn't clear from this image whether Oslo has a 320 by 320 screen or not.
Thanks to the many people who sent in tips on this. Sorry it took me so long to get to it; I'm having connection problems this week and am having to do all my work from a public library. -Ed
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RE: Dorky new Palm revealed
Likes:
-Possibly being the "shortest" Palm OS unit around. Easy pocketability.
-Buttons look fairly high-quality.
-D-pad FINALLY!
-Casing looks fairly durable/stylish
Dislikes:
-Screen looks too pixelated
-Is that a speaker or a mic on the top of the unit? Whatever it is it's poorly placed.
-D-pad does not seem "defined" enough to ensure accurate game/cursor control. Think of the original Sega Master System (versus the PSX or NES' cross-style D-pads) If Palm are serious about the games market, then they need to position the D-pad to the far LEFT side of the unit and arrange all of the hard buttons in a row. Of course this might somehow upset the delicate Zen balance.
-Graffitti area appears to not be backlit...again
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I can only guess having the DPad in the center is so both righties and lefties are happy (or should I say "not as upset").
Not too sure I like the hidden graffiti concept, I'll have to think about how I use it and if the extra step is worth it.
Interested to see the specs (dimensions, weight, processor speed, memory, mp3?, voice recording, etc...)
gummycat
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I don't know about you guys but my eyesight is getting worse, not better. A regged unit about the size of the IIIc but with a larger screen (and a virtual/or this new sliding graffitti contraption) would probably do quite well in the education market as well as for heavy-duty userss out in the field.
Imagine how much better the IIIc would have sold had it come pre-loaded with Zap! and the Palm GamePad bundled at no cost in the box...
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BTW to the original poster, was there something on the ppcthoughts site indicating the speaker quality? I did not see it, or perhaps I just missed it. Or, have you heard the device? To me it would be a waste of time to put speaker holes in a device, then stick a cheap piezo driver there. They probably choose the top so alarms would sound louder when the device was in the pocket, and also so the speaker was not covered by your hands/fingers while gaming (like on all my thinkpads!).
Altema
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Your all wrong IT DOES NOT COLLAPSE
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This was one of my first thoughts. But see my post below for my new revelation. I now think that the joypad and buttons slide up but the length remains the same, providing an empty area below the joypad for your palms to rest on while playing games.
Scott
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There you go, now you're thinking. ;)
I sure hope it isn't as simple as sliding up to make the device smaller. That would be nice and all, but I like these other theories better.
Scott
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I've studied this picture quite a bit, and based on the curvature of the bottom of the d-pad area, I'm guessing that the D-pad area is indeed a sliding mechanism that slides back up over the graffitti area, and acts as the bottom of the unit.
Either way, it's curvature matches the TOP of the unit, so it doesn't slide back UP only to reveal a keyboard underneath.....that much I'm sure of.
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Not sure if I agree with that. The Treo's keyboard section is quite small.
"I've studied this picture quite a bit, and based on the curvature of the bottom of the d-pad area, I'm guessing that the D-pad area is indeed a sliding mechanism that slides back up over the graffitti area, and acts as the bottom of the unit."
I thought about that too and have a sinking feeling that you're right. If true, at the least, it will make for a nice, small device.
This could also be part of Palm, Inc.'s plan for the Graffiti lawsuit with Xerox. They could slide it closed and say, "Look judge, we complied and took out Graffiti." Case closed. ;)
Scott
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No need, check out the Palm and Handspring press releases (or Palmgear). They've won!
Interesting machine this is.
Greetings, Roel.
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Sorry, wrong lawsuit. A Judge threw out NCR's suit against Palm and Handspring, not Xerox's. The NCR suit had nothing to do with Graffiti.
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RE: Dorky new Palm revealed
well pal. It stinks. Is this the uber-Palm that suppose to dominate the world? It needs work.
Physical screen size is still small, no fix for the long demanded virtual grafitti. There is no indication the device can handle memory and wireless cards at same time. Audio capability doesn't look too strong from the picture. The sliding pad concept is a no go. There won't be any leather case good enough for it.
All in all this more like a mid priced offering rather than top of the line, a direct competition to Toshiba E310.
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No, the smudged part is probably the unique serial number for this unit. This is likely a prototype, and they've stamped unique numbers on the front of each one. The poster is just protecting the owner of this particular model.
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What's Wrong With This Picture?
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RE: Dorky new Palm revealed
Physical screen size is still small, no fix for the long demanded virtual grafitti. There is no indication the device can handle memory and wireless cards at same time. Audio capability doesn't look too strong from the picture. The sliding pad concept is a no go. There won't be any leather case good enough for it."
No one ever said this was "The Perfect PDA"! We all know that doesn't exist--everyone's different. You made quite the assumption with the whole "uber-Palm" comment. No one ever claimed that.
There's no indication that it DOESN'T handle memory and wireless cards at the same time, why the assumption one-way?
And-
How can you possibly make any sort of judgement on sound quality from a picture?
This is a rumor! Maybe we should reserve final judgement for when we see the actual product. A whole lot of people ripped on the terrible Sony clam-shell design when it was just a rumor and said it would never sell. It seemed to work out fine.
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
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Check out the rendered images in the story on http://www.pdabuzz.com
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I think the answers to all these are related. I don't think this machine was built with gamers in mind (though they'll no doubt benefit from it). I think it was built to: (a) make an extremely small device, and (b) make it possible to do a whole lot of navigating around in the primary (built-in) apps without "opening" the unit. (No one has commented on the center dome in the "gamepad" -- could be a select button?)
Remember, too, that now that Palm is separate from Palmsource, they're free (indeed, under pressure) to differentiate their handhelds from those of other PalmOS licensees by adding new features or apps that aren't handed out to the other companies (something they started doing with their NotePad and AlarmClock apps, and similar to what Handspring has done with DateBk, CityTime, and Parens). What if Palm made some tweaks to their copies of the built-in apps, or included some add-on/replacement apps, that made it terribly easy to maneuver through your information in the basic apps using just the four-directions-and-select buttons of the "gamepad"? So you could look up a phone number, tweak your schedule for the day, check off a todo item, all without ever touching the screen, much less the graffiti area.
It looks like Palm has built a really small, handy OS5 machine. Don't know that this will be the one to replace my Clie 710 (no brand wars, please), but there will definitely be an ARM machne in my future, and the future is looking pretty cool.
Okay, well, just my $0.02
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No, the rest was a serial number which was hidden to protect the person who took the pics.
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Now you're cookin'! A solution to the missing jog wheel which also avoids any patent infringement on the Sony design, and also gets rid of the right-handed bias of having it on the side. A face plate mounted navigation control. And it would be feasable to have it control a mouse pointer as well, like the pointer feature in the new PPK driver. Sounds interesting to me if it pans out. If not, at least I'd be able to make past two rounds of Defender with that control...
Future Palm
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RE: Future Palm-Read My Other Comment at the botom!
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 7/15/2002 8:43:59 AM
I had a chance to mess with it this weekend at Motorola. You are right, it does have a Motorola chip. Also has built-in GSM cell phone, 802.11b, Bluetooth. This is awsome, I absoluteley loved it. It is as big as a Toshiba e310, but way better craftsmanship (of course it's a Palm). Comes with user replacable batteries. Just like a Cell Phone. Also back of the unit soft like new Ericsson T68. I want one, can't wait!!!
Gizmo Rat!
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Looks neato
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The Palm Inc. lawyers who contacted Jason at PPCT asked for the unadulterated image which shows the unique serial number on it. If Jason complies, then that development shop is in trouble!
I'm kinda surprised that Palm Inc. hasn't contacted PIC with a request to remove the photo yet. (Of course, once it's out on the net you can't put the genie back in the bottle!)
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:)
A few thoughts
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1) Kudos to Pocket PC Thoughts for breaking this story. It's a sad day when a Pocket PC fan site breaks the story of a new Palm device. What I find even more sad (pathetic, really) is that as of right now, PalmInfoCenter still hasn't made mention of it (though they've since posted other new news items). My guess would be that either Ed over there has already seen the device (and signed an NDA) or that the Palm lawyers contacted him proactively once the story was published here. Nevertheless, he ought to at least publish a news item stating something like "Pocket PC Thoughts revealed pictures of what appears to be the next Palm device. According to their site, lawyers quickly contacted them to tell them to remove the pictures, etc." To completely ignore the story altogether is pretty pathetic.
2) I thought about this design some more last night and I came up with another theory about that sliding section. I have a strong feeling that I may really be on to it this time. People here are guessing that the sliding area, when closed, shortens the device. I don't think so. What I think is that the sliding area covers up the input area but that the device still stays the same length. Why do such a thing? To improve on one of the major design problems with PPC's when playing games. By putting the joypad at the bottom of the device, it makes it very akward to hold. Take a look at an old-style Gameboy and you'll see that there's a large empty section below the joypad and buttons. This is for your palms to rest on, making the device much more comfortable to hold and play. I think that that's what Palm, Inc. may be doing here with this device. Unfortunately, they did not improve on the other major design problem I've seen with joypads on PPCs (and one of my biggest gripes). They still stuck it in the middle. I'm not sure I buy into the concept that this really even improves things for left-handed people. Left-handers get used to using things in a right-handed world. Buy an X-Box or PS2 and you'll get the joypad on the left and the buttons on the right. IMO, the large decrease in usability for the majority far outweighs the small increase in usability for the minority.
Scott
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BTW, this also means I have no way to spell check any of the articles I run. Please be patient with me; I'm doing the best I can in trying conditions.
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Comment:
-blah... screen look boring
-this better cost $399 or less
-somebody call up Sony to fix the design
- it got D-pad. finally.
-speaker is a disaster. (so much for multimedia)
-what's with the grafitti area? haven't they heard of virtual grafitti?