Rumor: Windows Mobile Treo 670 Spotted?
In a week thats been filled with rumors comes another one out of the UK this time. Apparently a new Treo running Windows Mobile was briefly shown by an unnamed high up Orange executive.
According to a report on Newswireless.net,
"in the Landmark Hotel, London, where a Very Senior Orange Person produced his Treo 650, and switched it on, and carelessly allowed all others at the table to see that it was not running Palm OS, but Windows Mobile 2005? Several people eagerly produced camera-phones to record this, and the phone was hastily tucked away."
Last month, PalmInfocenter featured a rumor about a new unidentified mystery Treo image. The forum poster that leaked the picture claimed it was a Treo 670 running the Windows Mobile operating system.
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Windows Treo = the coup de grace for PalmSource
Un-freakin-believable.
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RE: What's to hide.
RE: What's to hide.
Never mind the fact that its not even remotely funny and appears in 4 out of every 5 threads.
RE: What's to hide.
/Secretly wishes he had a 47 line signature with the word "poo" in it.
RE: What's to hide.
Other Links
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3736.html
HTC seems to be to nr1 producer of pocket-pc phones (QTEK, SPV uso.)
Look at that 1 April Joke too:
http://mytreo.net/news/archives/000434.php#more
Christian Stocker
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Powered by Palm OS since March 2002
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Also, if I were a PalmOne stockholder (and I should be: call broker), I'd be royally pissed if they *didn't* offer a WM Treo. This is exactly what they should be doing.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
I'm a bit cautious about it, myself.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Agenda?
This won't cut at all into Palm OS market share. It might take a chunk out of RIM, though.
Wow. You don't see how having the best smartphone design now being available with PPC will hurt PalmOS marketshare? Are you on crack?
How many companies that previously would have ordered PalmOS Treos will now order "Windows" Treos so the IT department can reassure everyone that the entire system is finally "all-Windows, all the time"? So much for the Treo being a way to leverage PalmOS as a business solution.
Sprint and pa1mOne have a can't-miss hit here (I had heard it was to be called the Treo 700 - guess this got changed), but this move will damage PalmOS more than anything PPC could ever have done on its own.
This isn't rocket science, Kirvin. Comments like this from you show how completely out of touch you are with reality. Even Mike Cane understands that a PPC Treo hurts PalmOS. You must be the only one who thinks this won't damage the platform. Or is Palm paying you to post crap like that? Hmmmm... As I said before, you have ZERO credibility here now.
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Besides that, there's a second reason it would be bad for Palm OS. Confidence in PalmSource is at an all time low. The Cobalt debacle, the sudden switch to pushing Linux, their refusal to answer straight questions, and PalmOne's reluctance to charge forward with PSRC's newest toys, all contribute to uncertainty and a lack of confidence, and PSRC isn't fixing it. Developers don't know what platform to code for, licensees are bailing, and users are dropping Palm for Windows. PalmOne is the last licensee of any impact in the market outside east Asia, and they've been singlehandedly carrying PalmSource since Sony pulled back to Japan. If PalmOne started offering Windows based models, it would be seen as an admission that even they don't believe there's a future in the Palm OS.
Actually, this *would* be good for PalmOne. They would open up a large new market segment, and I'm willing to bet that the 670 would have considerably better hardware, such as WiFi and 64 MB. They would sell tons of them. It wouldn't be good for PalmSource, but then again, PalmSource hasn't really done a whole lot to help lately.
Selling PalmOS - or not
If PalmOne "Goes Microsoft" then PalmSource goes under.
Pretty much guaranteed.
I'd say that's a pretty good reason why this is "bad for Palm OS".
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
> networking and support reasons, amongst many others.
Such as getting latest viruses, troyans, worms, etc. (too many to list).
Hey, you dont' want to be left out of the loop!
More seriuosly that's one of the biggest problems with IT departments. In the prehistoric times, they used to say that nobody would be fired for choosing IBM. Well today it's microwsoft.
If IT managers are fired for choosing MS, maybe at the end of the day we will get better products.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
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First off, nice reach, VoR. I call you out and this is the best you can come up with? Oy.
Maybe y'all haven't figured it out yet, but RIM's been outselling the ENTIRE IPAQ LINE in units sold. RIM is the 800 pound gorilla in the handheld space right now. That's what IT departments are buying, not Treos. The Treo is a successful smartphone, but most of the purchases are in the "prosumer" market, bought by the actual user even if the company pays for the service. The "fleet" purchases are Blackberries, and a Treo running Magneto tied to an Exchange server supporting push email could be a Blackberry-killing system.
Those sales are A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MARKET than the prosumers that buy Palm OS Treos and use them with POP or IMAP email. Therefore, the Windows Mobile Treo sales won't cut noticeably into the Palm OS Treo sales. Different products, different customers, different markets.
As for P1 offering a WM device hurting Palm OS, I doubt it. You guys are myopic, you can't see this from a "normal" person's perspective. Most consumers don't care enough to notice, and for those that do, this could actually help Palm OS's image. Many of the consumers I've talked to still think of Palm OS as a simple organizer OS while they see WM as a small PC. By showing that Palm OS and WM can actually run on the same hardware, it might prove that Palm OS is more powerful than people think.
I donbt think PalmSource cares either way; I wouldn't if I were them. The average consumer has never HEARD of Cobalt and doesn't care, so that doesn't hurt them. And when you get down to it, in a few more years Palm OS as WE know it will be a very small part of their business. Cell phones are where the money is, and PalmSource could probably exit the PDA market entirely without losing much. Sad for us, but true. Wingnuts here at PIC make the great mistake of believing that PDAs matter. Maybe they do to us, but not to the world at large, not to Microsoft, and not to PalmSource.
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How much faith can you put in a comment VoR? He's a guy whose signature "line" is five times longer than his posts - and filled with as much crap as the rest of his post.
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
"If PalmOne "Goes Microsoft" then PalmSource goes under.
Pretty much guaranteed."
Actually, no. That would have been true before the CMS merger, maybe. But not anymore. PalmSource will make far, far more money from cell phone sales than they ever made in handhelds. And you know what? They don't even have to sell them in America. We could never see a regular cell phone running a PalmSource platform and they'd still be fine. Lots and lots of sales in China. The China market is HUGE.
The game has changed, guys. Catch up.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
And, even if they did somehow manage to sustain themselves from cell phone sales in China in the event that PalmOne switched, what's the point? The Palm OS itself would be dead as a platform. There wouldn't be any significant players left making Palm OS handhelds. I don't think PalmOne is going to switch entirely, but if they did, it *would* be lights out for Palm OS.
RIM's recent sales spurt has been impressive, but there's no guarantee that they can sustain it in the long term, particularly in the face of advancing technology from traditional handhelds. Really, the only thing that RIM has had going for them is true push email.
And the 'prosumer' market isn't buying all those Treos. There are plenty of enterprise orders because, push email aside, the Treos make a good mobile email device, and they make a much better phone than most of the Blackberries. With a Blackberry, a lot of companies would have to equip their workers with a cell phone too. Not a problem you have with a Treo.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Adama - don't you know that almost all new Blackberr's are PHONES TOO!!!!!!!!!
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
"And, even if [PalmSource] did somehow manage to sustain themselves from cell phone sales in China in the event that PalmOne switched, what's the point? The Palm OS itself would be dead as a platform. There wouldn't be any significant players left making Palm OS handhelds. I don't think PalmOne is going to switch entirely, but if they did, it *would* be lights out for Palm OS."
First off, PalmOne isn't "switching" to Windows Mobile, they're adding it as an option. Just like Garmin and Samsung sell both Palm OS and Windows Mobile handhelds. You're thrown by the idea that "Palm" would be using Windows Mobile, but that misses the point. PalmOne is just another licensee, now, no more important, really, than any other. That they offer handhelds in both flavors is no more significant than Samsung and Garmin doing the same.
Secondly, so what if it was "lights out" for Palm OS handhelds? Handhelds as we know them are a dying breed. What we think of as a PDA only has two or three more years left anyway. They will be replaced by feature phones, smartphones, media players, tablets, UPCs, laptops and probably some form factors that we haven't yet seen. Mobile tech is a moving target, an evolving platform.
"RIM's recent sales spurt has been impressive, but there's no guarantee that they can sustain it in the long term, particularly in the face of advancing technology from traditional handhelds. Really, the only thing that RIM has had going for them is true push email."
RIM has such a commanding lead in the enterprise market that they'll hold strong for years yet. The only thing that could have brought them down was the patent issue, which seems to be moot at this point. No one but us here on PIC gives a flyin' rat's ass about "traditional handhelds" anymore.
"And the 'prosumer' market isn't buying all those Treos. There are plenty of enterprise orders because, push email aside, the Treos make a good mobile email device, and they make a much better phone than most of the Blackberries. With a Blackberry, a lot of companies would have to equip their workers with a cell phone too. Not a problem you have with a Treo."
I agree with you, I'd much rather have a Treo than a Blackberry. But that's not the reality of the market. Blackberries have much better name recognition with execs and they have more support in the IT department because of their largely plug and play push email solution. Microsoft might cut into this with the new WM and Exchange, but it's an uphill fight. The Blackberry is a horrible PIM and not a very good phone, but that doesn't seem to matter to those buying them in record numbers.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Jeff, I'm not 'thrown' by anything. I'm talking about a hypothetical in which PalmOne switched to Windows for most or all of its product line. I said, very clearly, that I don't think they will.
Yet more hype. No, handhelds aren't dying. As a matter of fact, sales went up last year, and smartphones aren't growing at anywhere close to the rate people claim they are. At the moment, even the most successful smartphone company, PalmOne, sells two handhelds for every Treo. There's also been a rise in connected handhelds, like the iPaq 'mobile messengers' and other HTC phone designs, but these are--shock of shocks--still handhelds.
Smartphones are a bubble, just like internet stocks, like Bluetooth, and a dozen other things. They have been hyped all out of proportion, and sooner or later they'll collapse. Then, when the hype has cleared, we'll see if there's a valid long-term place for them. And for the record, I heard that 'handhelds only have two or three years left' line three years ago, too.
RIM is in a sales spike, saturating their market because they don't have competition for push email. Once the competition arrives, I suspect that RIM will see a significant drop in sales, as well as the effects of their current sales spike. Somebody that you already sold a Blackberry to doesn't need another one.
I think you underestimate the power of that which is trendy. Treos are being bought by companies not because of IT, but in large part because managers and executives want them. They mostly don't need push email, and they don't want a poor PIM machine like a Blackberry. These are the people who are driving the enterprise sales of the Treos and the XDA lines: the higher-ups who want something more stylish and can instruct the IT department to buy 5,000 of them. They're being deployed to workers too, but I can't count the number of stories I've heard from people about how their company's higher-ups all got Treos.
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BTW, thank you, Adama. This has been a reasoned, thoughful discussion and a wonderful change of pace from the usual barking around here.
Raving on your Palm™
First off, nice reach, VoR. I call you out and this is the best you can come up with? Oy.
Maybe y'all haven't figured it out yet, but RIM's been outselling the ENTIRE IPAQ LINE in units sold. RIM is the 800 pound gorilla in the handheld space right now. That's what IT departments are buying, not Treos. The Treo is a successful smartphone, but most of the purchases are in the "prosumer" market, bought by the actual user even if the company pays for the service. The "fleet" purchases are Blackberries, and a Treo running Magneto tied to an Exchange server supporting push email could be a Blackberry-killing system.
Those sales are A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MARKET than the prosumers that buy Palm OS Treos and use them with POP or IMAP email. Therefore, the Windows Mobile Treo sales won't cut noticeably into the Palm OS Treo sales. Different products, different customers, different markets.
As for P1 offering a WM device hurting Palm OS, I doubt it. You guys are myopic, you can't see this from a "normal" person's perspective. Most consumers don't care enough to notice, and for those that do, this could actually help Palm OS's image. Many of the consumers I've talked to still think of Palm OS as a simple organizer OS while they see WM as a small PC. By showing that Palm OS and WM can actually run on the same hardware, it might prove that Palm OS is more powerful than people think.
I donbt think PalmSource cares either way; I wouldn't if I were them. The average consumer has never HEARD of Cobalt and doesn't care, so that doesn't hurt them. And when you get down to it, in a few more years Palm OS as WE know it will be a very small part of their business. Cell phones are where the money is, and PalmSource could probably exit the PDA market entirely without losing much. Sad for us, but true. Wingnuts here at PIC make the great mistake of believing that PDAs matter. Maybe they do to us, but not to the world at large, not to Microsoft, and not to PalmSource.
Kirvin, you're getting ridiculous. Do you even THINK before you type?
RIM is doing well because - like Palm before them - they were the first company to sell a device that successfully integrated the hardware and software to satisfy customers in a new niche. If the lost their lawsuit it could have been game over for RIM. Immediately. In 2002, Palm failed miserably to become what RIM is now to enterprise customers: a reliable "push" email device. Microsoft is not run by idiots and I expect they will soon start to use their own Exchange Server as a way to quickly leverage Windows Mobile Blackberry-Killers. IT will love to use "all Microsoft" solutions as soon as they're available. Don't think so? Try explaining to the typical IT type why PalmOS PDAs actually work BETTER with Microsoft Office than Microsoft's own PPC models.
I believe the bulk of Treo 600 sales are to corporate customers. The types who buy 100 - 1000 phones at a time. This is who Palm needs to market the Treo to. Individual sales to end users just increases support costs and creates a lot more headaches than corporate sales do. Sorry, Kirvin, but the lines between Blackberry/Treo/Windows smartphone don't exist. A wireless connected device is a wireless connected device these days and they all have plagiarized each other's features. (Didn't take long for the Treo 600 keyboard to get ripped off, did it?)
So you think PalmSource losing sales to Microsoft might actually HELP PalmSource's image??? Wow. You really are insane. Your "logic" seems to be the product of a diseased mind. Read your post again. Hilarious.
Let's see: the ink is barely dry on the China MobileSoft deal and suddenly you have this Asian saviour (a tiny startup company, by the way!) obviating the need for PalmSource to sell anything outside China??? Wow. Were you drunk again when you posted this nonsense?
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Raving on your Palm™
First off, nice reach, VoR. I call you out and this is the best you can come up with? Oy.
Maybe y'all haven't figured it out yet, but RIM's been outselling the ENTIRE IPAQ LINE in units sold. RIM is the 800 pound gorilla in the handheld space right now. That's what IT departments are buying, not Treos. The Treo is a successful smartphone, but most of the purchases are in the "prosumer" market, bought by the actual user even if the company pays for the service. The "fleet" purchases are Blackberries, and a Treo running Magneto tied to an Exchange server supporting push email could be a Blackberry-killing system.
Those sales are A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MARKET than the prosumers that buy Palm OS Treos and use them with POP or IMAP email. Therefore, the Windows Mobile Treo sales won't cut noticeably into the Palm OS Treo sales. Different products, different customers, different markets.
As for P1 offering a WM device hurting Palm OS, I doubt it. You guys are myopic, you can't see this from a "normal" person's perspective. Most consumers don't care enough to notice, and for those that do, this could actually help Palm OS's image. Many of the consumers I've talked to still think of Palm OS as a simple organizer OS while they see WM as a small PC. By showing that Palm OS and WM can actually run on the same hardware, it might prove that Palm OS is more powerful than people think.
I donbt think PalmSource cares either way; I wouldn't if I were them. The average consumer has never HEARD of Cobalt and doesn't care, so that doesn't hurt them. And when you get down to it, in a few more years Palm OS as WE know it will be a very small part of their business. Cell phones are where the money is, and PalmSource could probably exit the PDA market entirely without losing much. Sad for us, but true. Wingnuts here at PIC make the great mistake of believing that PDAs matter. Maybe they do to us, but not to the world at large, not to Microsoft, and not to PalmSource.
Kirvin, you're getting ridiculous. Do you even THINK before you type?
RIM is doing well because - like Palm before them - they were the first company to sell a device that successfully integrated the hardware and software to satisfy customers in a new niche. If the lost their lawsuit it could have been game over for RIM. Immediately. In 2002, Palm failed miserably to become what RIM is now to enterprise customers: a reliable "push" email device. Microsoft is not run by idiots and I expect they will soon start to use their own Exchange Server as a way to quickly leverage Windows Mobile Blackberry-Killers. IT will love to use "all Microsoft" solutions as soon as they're available. Don't think so? Try explaining to the typical IT type why PalmOS PDAs actually work BETTER with Microsoft Office than Microsoft's own PPC models.
I believe the bulk of Treo 600 sales are to corporate customers. The types who buy 100 - 1000 phones at a time. This is who Palm needs to market the Treo to. Individual sales to end users just increases support costs and creates a lot more headaches than corporate sales do. Sorry, Kirvin, but the lines between Blackberry/Treo/Windows smartphone don't exist. A wireless connected device is a wireless connected device these days and they all have plagiarized each other's features. (Didn't take long for the Treo 600 keyboard to get ripped off, did it?)
So you think PalmSource losing sales to Microsoft might actually HELP PalmSource's image??? Wow. You really are insane. Your "logic" seems to be the product of a diseased mind. Read your post again. Hilarious.
Let's see: the ink is barely dry on the China MobileSoft deal and suddenly you have this Asian saviour (a tiny startup company, by the way!) obviating the need for PalmSource to sell anything outside China??? Wow. Were you drunk again when you posted this nonsense?
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
And, even if they did somehow manage to sustain themselves from cell phone sales in China in the event that PalmOne switched, what's the point? The Palm OS itself would be dead as a platform. There wouldn't be any significant players left making Palm OS handhelds. I don't think PalmOne is going to switch entirely, but if they did, it *would* be lights out for Palm OS.
RIM's recent sales spurt has been impressive, but there's no guarantee that they can sustain it in the long term, particularly in the face of advancing technology from traditional handhelds. Really, the only thing that RIM has had going for them is true push email.
And the 'prosumer' market isn't buying all those Treos. There are plenty of enterprise orders because, push email aside, the Treos make a good mobile email device, and they make a much better phone than most of the Blackberries.
ADB: Well said. Unfortunately, Kirvin will keep denying the truth and will then try in vain to marginalize you with his feeble "wingnut" label.
Have you heard the rumor on how long it will take to bring PalmLinux to market? Not pretty™. Current projections are that PalmSource would not last long enough as an independent company for them to be able to release PalmLinux.
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
"Kirvin, you're getting ridiculous. Do you even THINK before you type?"
Quite a bit, yes. Thinking, I might add, that companies are willing to pay for. Where's your bona fides? For that matter, why are you too gutless to use your real name?
"RIM is doing well because - like Palm before them - they were the first company to sell a device that successfully integrated the hardware and software to satisfy customers in a new niche. If the lost their lawsuit it could have been game over for RIM. Immediately."
And yet that didn't happen. See, that's the difference between reality and your tiny little head.
"I believe the bulk of Treo 600 sales are to corporate customers."
You're free to believe whatever you want, but you're still wrong. The vast bulk of Treo sales are individual "prosumer" purchases. Again, sticking to the facts will make you look like less of a tool.
"So you think PalmSource losing sales to Microsoft might actually HELP PalmSource's image??? Wow. You really are insane. Your "logic" seems to be the product of a diseased mind. Read your post again. Hilarious."
No, I think the Treo offered with Windows Mobile will help Palm OS's image. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so let me try to make this simpler:
Many consumers see Palm OS devices as nothing more than simple organizers, "digital address books."
Many consumers see Pocket PCs as literally small PCs.
Proving that Palm OS can run on the same device as Windows Mobile will prove that the two platforms are similar in terms of capability.
The group of customers that want WM Treos and the group of customers that want Palm OS Treos will likely have very little overlap.
The small overlap between WM Treo customers and Palm OS Treo customers mean that there are few to no "lost sales" for PalmSource.
Now, VoR, let me help. What part of the above do you not understand?
"The ink is barely dry on the China MobileSoft deal and suddenly you have this Asian saviour (a tiny startup company, by the way!) obviating the need for PalmSource to sell anything outside China?"
Not necessarily, but it's not unlikely. Are you aware of the fact that there are more Chinese cell phone users than there are Americans, period? That the Chinese cell market adds 5,000,000 new customers every month? Of course you didn't know this. If you did, you wouldn't have acted foolish in public.
RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
Are you kidding? He does nothing BUT. Hence the lame screen name that tries to prop up his whorehouse-sheet-laundering self.
Imagine this guy with some woman dumb enough to show an interest in him -- and him acting in person as he does here.
Blistermouth: Look at all my posts on PIC. I'm really a PDA expert!
Woman (not able to finish *one* post): You know, I've REALLY got to get the hell out of your life.
TVoR: 6, Kirvin: 0
"Kirvin, you're getting ridiculous. Do you even THINK before you type?"
Quite a bit, yes. Thinking, I might add, that companies are willing to pay for. Where's your bona fides? For that matter, why are you too gutless to use your real name?
If that was you "thinking", well I feel sorry for you. No sensible company would hire you since you obviously are clueless. (Are you still begging for a job at Palm, or did they actually already hire you to be a non-official Spin Doctor/Misinformation Manager? I don't need to post my credentials - my posts stand up for themselves and you're free to try and refute them if you can. So far, all you've proved to us is that you can't. My real name is [edited by PIC]. Shocked? Happy? Does that make my posts any more or less accurate now? Again, if you feel I'm wrong and you're right, you should be able to explain why. We're STILL waiting for you to post something that makes sense here.
"RIM is doing well because - like Palm before them - they were the first company to sell a device that successfully integrated the hardware and software to satisfy customers in a new niche. If they lost their lawsuit it could have been game over for RIM. Immediately."
And yet that didn't happen. See, that's the difference between reality and your tiny little head.
And had the Blackberry lawsuit been about anything other than someone trying to fleece Blackberry for a few hundred million $, they would have shut Blackberry down when they won the lawsuit. Instead, they reached an "agreement" with Blackberry and Blackberry had to bend over and take it Mike Cane-style.
"I believe the bulk of Treo 600 sales are to corporate customers."
You're free to believe whatever you want, but you're still wrong. The vast bulk of Treo sales are individual "prosumer" purchases. Again, sticking to the facts will make you look like less of a tool.
Please post links to where it breaks down the sales figures of Treos (private consumer vs. corporate). You can do it, Kirvin. I know you can. NOT.
"So you think PalmSource losing sales to Microsoft might actually HELP PalmSource's image??? Wow. You really are insane. Your "logic" seems to be the product of a diseased mind. Read your post again. Hilarious."
No, I think the Treo offered with Windows Mobile will help Palm OS's image. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so let me try to make this simpler:
[SNIP some really shaky "logic" from a guy that needs to get someone to edit his drivel BEFORE he posts it from now on]
Now, VoR, let me help. What part of the above do you not understand?
Nothing you said makes sense, Kirvin. PPC and PalmOS device are now different flavors of the SAME thing: PDAs. They do the same thing these days, have the same features, run on the same processors and come with (almost) the same hardware. The average consumer only looks at what the devices can DO (PIM, camera, MP3, web browsing, etc.) and doesn't give a damn about which OS is running. If a PDA or smartphone comes with the familiar "Windows" name on it, the average consumer/IT peon may be more likely to choose it over an otherwise identical device running PalmOS. Such is the power of Microsoft's name and marketing muscle. That you don't seem to be able to grasp this is truly amazing. Even the newest newbie here understands that Microsoft has better brand recognition than "pa1mOne" (previously better known as "Palm"). I'm not going to bash you any more on this, since it now appears that you truly don't understand.
"The ink is barely dry on the China MobileSoft deal and suddenly you have this Asian saviour (a tiny startup company, by the way!) obviating the need for PalmSource to sell anything outside China?"
Not necessarily, but it's not unlikely. Are you aware of the fact that there are more Chinese cell phone users than there are Americans, period? That the Chinese cell market adds 5,000,000 new customers every month? Of course you didn't know this. If you did, you wouldn't have acted foolish in public.
Since you think you know so much about the Chinese domestic cellphone industry, why don't you fill in these gaps: How many phones/OS licenses did China MobileSoft sell in 2004? How big is their market share? How much did they make? What's that? Can't hear you, Kirvin. CMS is a TINY startup that happens to have some Linux engineers that PalmSource hoped could rescue enough Cobalt code that it could be cobbled into PalmLinux before everyone forgot who "Palm" was. The former Be engineers that were designing Cobalt started throwing too many wild pitches, so they were pulled in the bottom of the ninth, based loaded, PalmSource down three games to none and the score tied at zero. Do you really think China MobileSoft will save PalmSource's a$$? Do you still believe in the Easter Bunny?
You need to do some more READING before you can start touting yourself as a legitimate writer, Kirvin. Talk to Pogue or even Larry Garfield if you need some pointers. Take this as constructive criticism.
TVoR
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
What BS! Ryan is the only one who could edit out your name, and I doubt he's done that. Here this screeching eejit shows how stupid he thinks all of us are.
>>>and take it Mike Cane-style.
Continue your obsession with me, you illiterate. Your own "work" for PIC -- that ludicrous "Wah, Waah, Waaaah, Pweeeez Don't Kill the CLIE, Daddy Sony!" piece -- speaks for itself.
You are just a piece of meat, Mikey.
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Kirvin: Are you on the Palm payroll?
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
On the OTHER hand, if he were so employed, it's unlikely he'd be making continued references to circumenventing DRM on the Zod, running Netfront on non-Clies etc etc.
At any rate, the discussions here on PIC have been livelier and more entertaining than they have been in months. Voice, are we going to be seeing your VZ90 review prior to the LifeDrive launch? It'd make for fascinating reading...and then maybe a side-by-side test between those two units as an addendum at a later date.
Astroturfing?
That's pathetic. This would mean Palm has sunk to Microsoft's level and is now "Astroturfing". Wow. I expect we won't ever hear a peep out of Kirvin about this. I'll see if I can find out whether or not he got hired and then "out" his Astroturfing a$$ here on PIC.
On the OTHER hand, if he were so employed, it's unlikely he'd be making continued references to circumenventing DRM on the Zod, running Netfront on non-Clies etc etc.
Isn't it funny how he claims to be a "writer", yet has absolutely no respect for the intellectual property of others? Maybe it's because he has no intellectual property himself... Did you see the way he tried to rationalize his promotion of the theft of the CLIE NetFront browser by Tam Hanna? Unreal. It was like watching a four year old lie about stealing cookies. And this is someone that might work for PalmSource? At that rate, maybe they can hire The Zodiac Killer to head up work on PalmLinux???
At any rate, the discussions here on PIC have been livelier and more entertaining than they have been in months. Voice, are we going to be seeing your VZ90 review prior to the LifeDrive launch? It'd make for fascinating reading...and then maybe a side-by-side test between those two units as an addendum at a later date.
A colleague borrowed it last week and I'm waiting to get it back to take the photos and screenshots for the review. If Ryan is interested in publishing it, I'll send it in later this month and he can publish it after he reviews the new Palm. Yes, it will make for an interesting contrast to the new Palm. A comparison test between the two would have to be done by someone else. I don't plan on purchasing any more traditional PDAs - we now have enough CLIEs to use for the next 10 years and won't be buying any pa1mOne products unless they somehow fix their quality control. All I really want at this point is for Samsung to release one of those Vaporphones they've kept announcing over the past two years.
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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)
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RE: The dark side! First a little boy then became jealous.
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What's to hide.
Devices look real, but I never believed that "some lady tried to sell me 2 of em', so I tooks pix with my camera" story.
Unfortunately for Palm fanboys, P1 will probably sell a boatload of these if they have at least 64mb. Will they be Dell "badge engineered" or not?
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