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Sprint Logo A self claimed Sprint technician has posted a screen-grab of a upcoming Sprint update release sheet that shows Palm's webOS 1.4 update due early next week. This Precentral post details the disclosure, which if correct, could indicate that webOS 1.4 could begin to arrive on Sprint models as early as Monday, February 15th.

webOS 1.4 was talked up by Palm at their CES keynote this year. The update is said to bring on device video recording and editing, improved phonebook transfer, calendar and messaging enhancements and this update will supposedly lay the groundwork for Adobe Flash support. The full screen-grab is mirror after the break.

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This SHOULD have been WebOS 1.0

Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 2/10/2010 6:15:59 PM # Q
I'll keep my fingers crossed that Palm's software people have fixed the lag issues, Classic-related instability and all of the other software glitches currently plaguing the Pre.

Ship another (big screen) form factor with iPhone or Droid-quality hardware and maybe Palm can still survive until 2011.

- FJH
Proud Foleo user since 2007

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pre

jptx @ 2/11/2010 5:59:14 AM # Q
Allright, PIC faithful, my Treo is getting old. Do I make the switch to a Pre or Pixi and increase my data costs by $30 a month or do I find a nice used Centro or 755p? I tried one windows phone, better browser but less favorable overall experience.

Does this new update make it worth it? How good is the browsing experience, what are the tethering options? Or do I jump ship with something Android.

I have Sprint.
Visor Deluxe/Visor Pro/Visor Prism/Zire 71/Zire72/Palm TX/Treo 700p/Treo 755p/Centro/Treo 800w


RE: pre
richf @ 2/11/2010 6:16:38 AM # Q
Well in Dec I just went from Treo 700P to Droid. Nice machine, does what I want speedily. However after about a dozen Palms I'm still debating getting a Pre or Pixi with my income tax refund. Played with Pre day it come out and guess winter boredom is getting to me. Hold up is the full price I'm locked into after upgrading to Droid. Droid in a nutshell, beautiful screen, very fast. Pims are lacking, not even close to what I'm used to on Palm. Sorta bummed out that all the Palm programs I paid good dollars for probably won't work on Pre or Pixi. If anyone is interested in a like new Droid let me know.
Thanks Rich
Treo 700P->Droid
RE: pre
LiveFaith @ 2/11/2010 6:22:15 AM # Q
Why $30 increase? Are you not on a data plan now?

I'm jumping to the Pre + for what sounds like May on ATT. My Treo 680 is solid as a rock, but she's battle worn. I run all my business on the 680, and that must continue. Currently tether 3G with my wife's old LG Shine + my SIM.

My other choice was to get the HD2 and switch to WM. WM7 is reportedly coming to it. Superior hardware, but that could be another yr b4 coming to ATT. Palm just keeps tweaking the hardware and updating WebOS, so I'm going to give it a try.

If the PIMs are to weak and I cannot live w/o the shortcomings of the Pre, I may be forced to WM. I'm not confident that Android in it's current form is going satisfy real productivity needs. I've already waited to long to let it evolve. Hopefully when WM7 arrives, they won't have neutered it's business savvy in favor of another hip-hop oriented platform.
Pat Horne

RE: pre
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 6:48:05 AM # Q

why not go to the store and play with a demo? and if you like it buy it and play with it for 2 weeks and if you still like it keep it. if not return it and get your money back - just make sure you ask about the return policy up front and get it in writing. also make sure you keep your old phone and do a frozen in time backup of all your data - just in case.

personally, i'm hanging on to my Centro and hoping that the iPhone comes to Sprint this summer.

RE: pre
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 6:55:28 AM # Q
RE: pre
richf @ 2/11/2010 8:28:17 AM # Q
Does anyone know if the free Pixi offer applies to a Pre purchased at full price? If so is anyone interested in a new Pixi?
Have a nice day!
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->Pilot Pro->IIIe->M500->M505->M515->T3->T5->Treo 650P->Treo 700P->Droid
RE: pre
DarthRepublican @ 2/11/2010 11:30:14 AM # Q
jptx wrote:
Allright, PIC faithful, my Treo is getting old. Do I make the switch to a Pre or Pixi and increase my data costs by $30 a month or do I find a nice used Centro or 755p? I tried one windows phone, better browser but less favorable overall experience.

Does this new update make it worth it? How good is the browsing experience, what are the tethering options? Or do I jump ship with something Android.

I have Sprint.
Visor Deluxe/Visor Pro/Visor Prism/Zire 71/Zire72/Palm TX/Treo 700p/Treo 755p/Centro/Treo 800w


Well, we won't know how good the new update is until it comes out. I for one have been using a Palm Pre since June and love it. The browser on the Pre is excellent and roughly equivalent to the Android browser but it doesn't support in page anchor tags like the one that PIC uses to take you directly to your comment after you post. I came over to the Pre from a T-Mobile G1 and have to say that the only thing that I really miss from it is the little trackball and that is only because in cold weather I have to take off a gloves to use my Pre's touchscreen.

While Sprint doesn't officially support tethering I tether my Pre to my netbook's Bluetooth with My Tether and it works very well. I use Sprint's $70 everything plan.

The PIMs are not as good as the old PalmOS PIMs but the Calendar makes up for it with its integration of multiple calendars from Google, Facebook, and other places. The Classic PalmOS emulator isn't really robust enough for daily use but it does allow you to hold all of your PalmOS data and run the occasional PalmOS app.

Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

RE: pre
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 11:34:21 AM # Q

if it's so good, why are you carrying sixteen devices around with you all day?
RE: pre
xdreduardx @ 2/11/2010 12:15:49 PM # Q
After 11 years on Palm, I've switched to Pre from Centro.
I am not happy.
1. Notes are not organized on import so they are useless.
2. Search function that would search across apps and notes and ALL address fields is gone
3. ePocrates still not ported to Pre
4. Still no documents to go for Pre
Sure it looks pretty, but I am thinking of jumping ship

RE: pre
LiveFaith @ 2/11/2010 7:01:58 PM # Q
xd,
That's what I'm concerned @. I use a lot of "categories" in various PIMs and the Pres that I have fondled don't seem to go there. I'm going to have to move on, but may have to try and skin the cat differently.
Pat Horne
RE: pre
rpa @ 2/11/2010 7:17:28 PM # Q
FWIW I wrote to Access asking for a PIM application (contacts, calendar, notes, memos) as good as the Garnet applications but usable on other platforms (i.e. Android). The reply was my request was sent to their development team and the request may get the ball rolling or words to this effect. No telling if this means anything.

I also saw Pocket Mirror now has an app for WebOS PIMs to sync to Outlook running on a desktop. Has anyone tried this? I don't want to sync to the cloud if and when I can get an unlocked Pre/Pixi in Asia.

RE: pre
xdreduardx @ 2/12/2010 5:46:54 AM # Q
I agree about the lack of organization being the deal breaker for me. But I am also thinking about jumping the Palm ship (after 11 years) because of this and I am thinking about a transition to a "platform independent" existence.

There are Homebrew Apps to replace memos. CryptoNotes is up for consideration.

But basically I went from Centro where everything works, to Pre - where nothing works. I am considering moving back to Centro and then to another platform.

RE: pre
xdreduardx @ 2/12/2010 6:19:07 AM # Q
ClassicNote is another homebrew app I am considering
RE: pre
LiveFaith @ 2/12/2010 1:51:17 PM # Q
Don't other sync-to-PC apps exist in the App Catalog? I thot I saw a few in there the other day.
Pat Horne
RE: pre
Gekko @ 2/12/2010 2:12:10 PM # Q

heathens! embrace the cloud!!!
RE: pre
rpa @ 2/12/2010 2:57:28 PM # Q
I don't want the cloud preferring to keep my data on my pda/phone and PC. It may be viable if you stay in one market like the US but international traveling will kill you when you get the bill for roaming data. Give me the Garnet PIM app and stringed texting app on a platform like Android and I will be happy. Palm OS is history so I prefer to have the apps I want on a platform that will not be specific to any one company. There seem to be many others at least on this site who want the same thing so where is the 17 y/o techie writing the app??
RE: pre
e_tellurian @ 2/12/2010 4:13:13 PM # M Q
Putting one entire thoughts on the Internet requires a tremendous amount of trust. Some thoughts are meant to develop ideas. These ideas have come from many thoughtful people. Some of these people are no longer with us. Once the ideas go to market those people and families must benefit from their effort. We can do that because the Internet still contains their thoughts and should be developed as they would have wanted and capital earned from those thoughts belong to the individual and their families.

The cloud effectively publishes all thoughts into a digital medium automatically. Perhaps before one is ready to publish. Removable hard drives have a purpose.

Peace,

E-T

RE: pre
nastebu @ 2/13/2010 2:39:17 AM # Q
rpa wrote:
I don't want the cloud preferring to keep my data on my pda/phone and PC. It may be viable if you stay in one market like the US but international traveling will kill you when you get the bill for roaming data.

As far as roaming bills go, how does the Pre work with that? Do you really need to have data roaming on to use the phone? Can't you turn it off and just use it as a pda like you can an iPhone?

RE: pre
rlopin @ 2/14/2010 6:47:43 AM # Q
Gekko wrote:

if it's so good, why are you carrying sixteen devices around with you all day?

I hope you were joking.

The list of devices with the arrows is meant to show the history / upgrade path the poster has gone through. It is a very common thing to show.

RE: pre
Gekko @ 2/14/2010 6:57:45 AM # Q

thanks lopie - but i didn't show up here yesterday. but since you did, let me fill you in. DR carries around a shiitload of devices like a schmo wherever he goes - hence my comment.

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BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!

mikecane @ 2/11/2010 11:54:04 AM # Q
Palm orders halt on production of Palm Pre, Palm Pre Plus, and Palm Pixis?
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/11/palm-orders-halt-on-production-of-palm-pre-plus-palm-pixi-plus/

This can't be good.

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 11:55:31 AM # Q
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
abosco @ 2/11/2010 12:00:20 PM # Q
Sounds like initial sales weren't as strong as forecast?

Gekko, please give warning before posting any links that have Suze Orman's face on the page.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 12:07:36 PM # Q

i wonder if VZW suddenly pulled the plug on those "600k.

"600k webOS Devices Heading to Verizon"

UPDATED: Palm Halts ALL Production - HOLIDAY
mikecane @ 2/11/2010 12:35:33 PM # Q
Debunk: Palm not halting Pre / Pixi production, just on hold for Chinese New Year
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/debunk-palm-not-halting-pre-pixi-production-just-on-hold-for/
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2010 12:51:28 PM # Q
Chinese New Years, at best, is a 10-day celebration.

Something still smells.

OTR Global should issue another report.

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
abosco @ 2/11/2010 1:08:15 PM # Q
Again, maybe this is a cultural difference, but I don't get it. Production is halted on the 14th and will resume at the end of the month... for a holiday?

Also, I don't trust Engadget. They shoot sticky wads on any Palm news ever since they executed their "open letter" word for word (and they still haven't made any money). And from reading the comments on article after article, you get the feeling that the Pre is the #1 smartphone in the world.

Like Windows 7, Android, and Palm? You'll fit in at Engadget. Like anything from Apple? Find somewhere else.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2010 1:52:14 PM # Q
Palm's statement didn't clarify anything. At BEST it confirmed they are "managing inventory" thus are, indeed, overstocked with Pres.

Chinese New Year's begins this weekend. Workers typically get off LESS than a week vacation though the observance of the New Year lasts a couple weeks; that is, until the end of February.

Palm says they'll start production "after" the end of the New Year. They say they'll "ramp" it up from when they restart. They didn't say WHEN they'll restart and they didn't say what "ramp" means (like...uh...if things are gong gangbusters why aren't they just starting out "fulll steam ahead!", huh?).


RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 2:37:37 PM # Q

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww - Con ALMOST had a PIC scoop!

go back to twitter!

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
mikecane @ 2/11/2010 4:01:35 PM # Q
I got it VIA Twitter. And you'll notice, ADD-laden Gekko, I did not *write* the damned post. Just linked to it. Put it here in Comments because, really, would it have ever surfaced here on PIC as an actual *news* item? Those days are over, here.
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2010 4:58:29 PM # Q
Please see the time of my post Subject "Maybe not".

Giggle.

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
mikecane @ 2/11/2010 5:32:49 PM # Q
Unlike Gekko and the similar stalking fanatics here, I don't trawl through the postings. I hit what's in the sidebar under Recent Comments. Next!
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
e_tellurian @ 2/11/2010 6:32:15 PM # M Q
Hang in there Palm the future is filled with possibilities. Remember your roots and the good people rooting for your success.

Peace,

E-T

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
rpa @ 2/11/2010 7:09:28 PM # Q
Hey guys, I am in China and I can tell you things are already shut down. Factories close for at least 2 weeks as workers migrate home for their only vacation of the year. I can't believe Palm's production slowdown at Chinese New Year is even newsworthy as EVERYONE'S production has stopped if they make widgets in China.
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
e_tellurian @ 2/11/2010 7:20:10 PM # M Q
Well happy new year.

Peace,

E-T

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
LiveFaith @ 2/12/2010 6:03:36 AM # Q
Thanks rpa.
Pat Horne
RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
mikecane @ 2/12/2010 12:11:25 PM # Q
>>>as workers migrate home for their only vacation of the year.

Gekkoworld.

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
Gekko @ 2/12/2010 1:37:32 PM # Q

Are there no prisons? And the Union workhouses. Are they still in operation?

Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.


RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
mikecane @ 2/12/2010 6:16:19 PM # Q
>>>Are there no prisons? And the Union workhouses. Are they still in operation?

Falun Gong will be knocking on your door soon.

Enjoy the visit.

RE: BULLETIN: Palm Halts ALL Production!
e_tellurian @ 2/12/2010 10:08:26 PM # M Q
Triads are more of an issue. Though not much is heard about them. Why is that?

Peace,

E-T

Know your market
e_tellurian @ 2/13/2010 12:08:16 PM # M Q
This group could be an issue to the computer industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad

Peace,

E-T

Know your market
e_tellurian @ 2/13/2010 12:14:14 PM # M Q
This is the triad that may be an issue. The first triad url. is incorrect ... Confusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(underground_societies)

Peace,

E-T

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The Day of Reckoning

LiveFaith @ 2/12/2010 1:54:41 PM # Q
I hate to divert from all the OT bantering, But, back to the original article and the release.
Today's the day. Did it fly into anyone's WebOS device? Does vid recording finally bring us into the early 00s? Does anyone around here actually own a WebOS device? :-D
Pat Horne
RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/12/2010 2:14:06 PM # Q

bad acid 80's flashback, Reverend?

it said Monday, February 15th.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
LiveFaith @ 2/12/2010 5:29:02 PM # Q
Oh sorry, that's next month!
Pat Horne
OT: The Day of Reckoning
twrock @ 2/13/2010 7:54:03 AM # Q
Hmm, "The Day of Reckoning"; this looks like a good place for this OT post.

Well, I said I would do this (http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9965/#155811), so here goes.

I purchased a CHT8000 (ChungHwa Telecom) Android phone about a week ago. It's been fun to have a new toy to play with. Through a lot of trial and error, I've been slowly figuring out how to replace most of the functionality I had in my Palm with this new "PDA that makes phone calls".

I don't want to say a lot, but I thought that based on the discussions I was having before I stopped frequenting this site, I would at least offer this minimal information for anyone who might consider the same path I have taken. I haven't reviewed the discussions over the past few months, so maybe this is all old news. Please forgive me if it is. (And if you have more questions, androidforums.com is a good site to start with and "Google is your friend".)

This is a recent thread covering at least some of the Palm PIM data to Android migration questions/options:
http://androidforums.com/how-tips/20635-former-palm-users-transition-droid-guide.html
In general it involves a single use of CompanionLink (a fully-functioning, 14 day trial use, Outlook to Google sync solution) to get your Contacts and Calendar moved over to Gmail:
http://www.companionlink.com/support/setupguides.html
(You probably will have to do some cleanup on your contacts after migration; that's the breaks.)
For Memos, I went with Note Everything:
http://www.softxperience.mobi/23-1-Note-Everything.html
Here's a link to info for making the migration using the Palm Desktop export feature work:
http://www.softxperience.mobi/86-1-Import-Palm.html
For Tasks/ToDos, there is gTasks (although I'm not a big fan of Tasks/ToDos, so I don't really care about this one):
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-ssi-gtasksbeta-qBii.aspx
Of course these are not the only solutions, just some that work.

If you want to have a look at more of what is available for Android, you can browse the Android Market by visiting a site like AndoLib.com. If you get your kicks out of playing around with a wide variety of apps, make sure you install something like Barcode Scanner right away (http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-google-zxing-client-android-xzA.aspx). After that, QR Codes will become your best friend.

No, not everything is exactly as it was on your Palm. No, not everything is as "good" or "easy" as it was on your Palm. No, it doesn't work the same way your Palm did. If you hate Google and need to have everything exactly like it was on your Palm, stick with your Palm. Even WebOS can't offer you that experience. But if you are ready to learn something new, then, yes, some things are very much better than on your Palm.

(And for all of you iPhone fanboys who can't seem to move on, just replace "Palm" with "iPhone" in the above paragraph and you might get the idea. And no, I don't want to have an argument with you about the obvious superiority of your "blessed-by-Steve-Jobs-himself" iPhone over all other phones and operating systems in the entire world for all time. Get a life and give it up already.)

Ok, I think that's it. I had a great run with the good ol' Palm OS, and I'm sure I'll look back on those years with a strong sense of nostalgia. I'd like to thank those of you who helped make this site the best of the Palm dedicated websites. Thanks Ryan for keeping things working and open. It was a lot of fun hanging out here and wasting time on my Palm obsession with most of you.

Cheers.


Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 8:18:49 AM # Q

all of that is unnecessary. just use Google Sync to migrate from PalmOS PIM to Gmail -

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9946/free-google-syncing-on-palm-os-comes-and-goes/

once and done.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
mikecane @ 2/13/2010 9:49:59 AM # Q
So I see Gekko stands ready to jump off whatever cliff he finally chooses.
RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 10:11:29 AM # Q

hopefully - iPhone on Sprint this summer.

why?

1. decent PIM.
2. FTP.
3. robust Docs To Go Excel/Word.
4. live radio streaming.
5. ubiquitous/mature worldwide hardware/software availability/standards/accessories/applications/community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUndBG6hFU

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 10:23:31 AM # Q

oh i forgot the obvious -

6. superb build quality.
7. intuitive GUI/OS.
8. EAS/Gmail support.


RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 12:00:58 PM # Q
RE: The Day of Reckoning
mikecane @ 2/13/2010 12:45:07 PM # Q
I wouldn't hold my breath for that. It seems AT&T has paid out a TON of money to keep the iPhone with them. Also why we see iPad with pre-pay 3G from AT&T.

At the rate which AT&T will have to build towers, we'll soon be known as the United States of Leukemia.

And, oh Gekko, update your stalker file:
http://ipadtest.wordpress.com/

RE: The Day of Reckoning
hkklife @ 2/13/2010 3:27:38 PM # Q
Gekko:

1. I'd rate iPhone's PIM a teeny notch better than Android's but a good bit below WebOS and WinMob and about a zillion years behind Garnet.

2. True. Android does FTP as well, btw.

3. Yup. Android has DTG but not sure how it compares to iPhone's. WebOS lags far, far behind at this stage of the game.

4. We have covered this one a zillion times already. Can iPhone stream your Bloomberg & Hot 97? We know WinMob & Garnet can do it!

5. Yup, that's a definite!

6. Ditto, but the lack of a removable battery really sucks (sorry Bosco)

7. Aye. WebOS, Android, BlackBerry, WinMob and Symbian have a LONG way to go to match iPhone and, yes, even Garnet.

8. Yup. Android has solid e-mail SUPPORT but its implementation--at least in the native email app (not the Gmail app) is horrible. VersaMail blows it out of the water. Palm's native WebOS email app also blows mightily. We used to mock VersaMail---who woulda ever thought it'd end up almost being considered the gold standard several years down the road???

My recommendation for you? Stick with the Centro for another 8-12 months. It does everything you currently need it to do and what you gain in nifty next-gen features on one hand (web browsing, wi-fi, GPS, big screen) you'll lose out on the other (PIM, one-handed intuitive operation, memory card slot, physical keyboard etc).

We are going to see a TON of changes throughout 2010. You'll still be hard-pressed to find a more usable smartphone than the Centro, especially since you have the best possible version of it (128mb).


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: The Day of Reckoning
hkklife @ 2/13/2010 3:39:41 PM # Q
@MikeCane;

SOMETHING will happen between now and March-the-whatever and a huge, deal-breaking bug will rear its head and your iPad will not be purchased. Heavily fondled, yes, but not purchased.

I am CERTAIN of this! ;-)

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: The Day of Reckoning
e_tellurian @ 2/13/2010 3:41:11 PM # M Q
HP 200 LX users went through the growing pains when windows CE was introduced.

Peace,

E-T

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 3:57:48 PM # Q

Con - what happened to your doom blog with all of the "experts" predicting the end of the world?

when right crow loudly, when wrong deny everything.

http://www.psyfitec.com/2009/03/you-cant-trust-experts-with-your.html

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/13/2010 4:02:43 PM # Q

hkk - the big missing pieces with the Centro are large display and great web browser.

i played with the iPhone Contacts and Calendar apps and they seem "good enough" for me. at least during my demo.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
abosco @ 2/14/2010 7:08:08 AM # M Q
About the iPad - I think I'm going to buy the cheapest one and give it to my family. My parents are immigrants in their 50's. I've tried to get them to learn a PC, but it was a struggle and they gave up. I bought an iMac last year and they got a little better at it. They can at least check bank statements online now. But the problem is that they are simply afraid of it because they don't understand it.

I think the iPad will solve the problem. It's a simple, large touchscreen with an intuitive, WYSIWYG interface. It's worth a shot for $500.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
SeldomVisitor @ 2/14/2010 7:37:44 AM # Q
Are you ready to start footing their outRAGEous Amazon eBook bills?

You're opening up Pandora's Box.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/14/2010 7:51:22 AM # Q

bosco - that's nice. but just make sure they don't find your porn collection. momma and poppa bosco would be very upset if they found out their little boy grew up to be a pervert.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
e_tellurian @ 2/14/2010 10:05:01 AM # M Q
Why not create good paying jobs to encourage people in that industry to seek other employment. Labeling people as some like to do is not producing any jobs just potential for slandering ones character which is not productive. Triads make a lot of money from people needing to sustain their life. We can offer better jobs.

Peace,

E-T

RE: The Day of Reckoning
mikecane @ 2/14/2010 4:19:59 PM # Q
>>>Con - what happened to your doom blog with all of the "experts" predicting the end of the world?

Gekko, you should be better with numbers than this! The blog was called Mike Cane *2008*. You expected it to continue to 2010?!

And keep your eyes on Greece, Bubba. Hell on earth is coming to town over there.

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/14/2010 4:44:10 PM # Q

keep predicting the end of the world, chicken little.


RE: The Day of Reckoning
e_tellurian @ 2/14/2010 4:57:52 PM # M Q
The EU will help Greece.

E-T

RE: The Day of Reckoning
Gekko @ 2/14/2010 5:01:20 PM # Q

E-T - please post your video manifesto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztci2RNUAfU


RE: The Day of Reckoning
e_tellurian @ 2/14/2010 5:29:50 PM # M Q
Why? What's with you and your video manifesto?

E-T

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WM7 could be a contender!

Gekko @ 2/15/2010 4:48:53 AM # Q
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
SeldomVisitor @ 2/15/2010 6:21:18 AM # Q
Yeah, it's lookin' good.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 6:44:02 AM # Q

i just watched about a half hour of the WM7 intro demo with the newly transformed faux middle aged rocker hipster wannabe VP. i'm not impressed. looks like a gimmicky Zune OS. i don't like the hodgepodge mishmash GUI. looks like it was slapped together at the last minute - copying elements mostly from Android.
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
hkklife @ 2/15/2010 7:45:48 AM # Q
I think it looks, to put it quite bluntly, rather awesome.

NONE of the onscreen clutter of WinMob or the battery drainin' , resource hoggin' eyecandy of WebOS.

It's almost....Palm OS zen-like in its austerity! And since no one can manage to get a lag-free mobile OS going unless it's got a 1Ghz+ CPU underhood, MS is presumably heading in the right direction by stripping everything down to the bare minimum.

Now, I'm quite fond of the Zune HD UI/aesthetic (not as much for the hardware itself...) so this is definitely a good thing based on the (very) initial Engadget impressions & images. It's also great to see MS cracking the whip to devcie manufacturers to keep it from becoming the mish-mash nightmare of hardware, resolutions, software compatibility and interface method that was every prior version of WinMob.

Give me an HTC HD2 on Verizon with WM7 and I might finally be able to make a clean break from Garnet and not be that miserable!
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RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 7:55:39 AM # Q

well maybe i was too distracted by the effeminate faux hipster.

i need to see more but i'm not sold yet.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
mikecane @ 2/15/2010 8:13:20 AM # Q
>>>And since no one can manage to get a lag-free mobile OS going unless it's got a 1Ghz+ CPU underhood

Um, WTF? The iPhone has been at like, what, 600MHz, since the start?

I'm unconvinced WM7 will help them. Not even going to bother to see a video right now. The description I read was a big So What? for me.

And here's the LMAO Of The Day: Intel and Nokia are combing two losers of an OS -- Mobilin and Maemo -- into one. And they're calling it MeeGo. Wow, can you spell F-A-I-L?

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 8:19:39 AM # Q

here's a quick ~1 minute preview -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0-pxBZBvlM

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 8:24:31 AM # Q

what scares me is this trend of all this social networking facebook, myspace, twitter crap being jammed down my throat 24/7 on these phones - webOS, Android, and now WM7. i don't want my phone clogged up with all of this garbage. i hope there's option to turn all of this crap off and never to be seen again. my idea of social networking is PIM, Email, and basic Web. am i just getting OLD???????????
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
hkklife @ 2/15/2010 8:30:51 AM # Q
@ Gekko;

I'm younger than you and that's what I care about (PIM, email, web, and a smattering of multimedia). My idea of social networking is emailing someone or sending them a text message IF it is an urgent business message or a non-urgent personal communication. I check Facebook maybe once every other day just to see what kind of silly status updates people are posting.

@Mike;

Yes yes yes, as soon as I typed that I realized I had meant to say "All non-iPhoneOS smartphones"!

WebOS lags terribly. Garnet lags (Treos worse than Centro). Android lags (depends wildly on which device you are using). WM 6.x lags. I don't recall any lags with BB OS but my time with the Storm was so brief and miserable that I am thankfull I don't recall more of that experience.
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RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 8:33:09 AM # Q
>I'm younger than you

not by much!

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
abosco @ 2/15/2010 9:50:29 AM # M Q
Call me a skinny indie dickhead, but Facebook was awesome when it was college-only. It was a place for collective shaming and pride. After a few years, they opened it up to high schools, and we knew it was trouble, but they kept the two networks independent. Then when anybody could sign up, it lost its luster. Now you can't post pictures from last night's party for fear a future employer will catch wind of alcohol touching 20 year old lips. All of junior and senior year was like that.

Now, I'm friends with old friends, college buddies, co-workers, bosses, and family. And it sucks. In the same three-minute timespan, I can find the almost-nipple-showing pictures from some broad's weekend, the pseudo-intellectual linking a review of Avatar and voicing his predictable criticism, and the bored musings of my elementary school friend's mom, a 50 year old divorcee. I guess I just like society less as I get to know more of it.

Therefore, I agree with Gekko and Kris. Facebook is an app that I don't have integrated with anything. It's there when I'm bored and curious. Maybe someday I'll actually find something interesting on it.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 11:02:53 AM # Q

i'm on FB but on complete lockdown. all you can do is message me and nobody can see nuthin' and i don't post nuthin'.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
T_W @ 2/15/2010 1:25:20 PM # Q
Butt ugly UI.

Looks like a dumb terminal.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
T_W @ 2/15/2010 1:26:42 PM # Q
But at least they got Pink to host the Channel 9 demo.
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 1:41:01 PM # Q
>and the bored musings of my elementary school friend's mom, a 50 year old divorcee.

is she hot? milf? gilf???

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
abosco @ 2/15/2010 2:10:28 PM # M Q
80's hair. She's not your type, she's a woman.
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 2:14:00 PM # Q
RE: WM7 could be a contender!
Gekko @ 2/15/2010 3:50:39 PM # Q

i have to agree with these comments on WM7 -

I think it's the worst interface man can imagine. We have 4" displays only to see there is a huge black bar on the right to waste screen space and make the UI feel like it's "de-centered". And the home? Big squares, monodimensional with two colors? Oh my God, how ugly this UI is... waste of screen space, really bad. I'm really disappointed. The actual HTC Sense UI is WAY better than this crap.
Submitted by darkcg (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 12:52.

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Agreed. HTC Sense is way better than what I've seen so far.
Submitted by ucfgrad93 on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:06.

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Agreed. Why are the phone and email icons so damn big and blue? Such a waste of space.

Is this phone made so 80 year olds can use it without their glasses? Jeez.

Hopefully WP7 phones can be "downgraded" to WM6.5.3. Hardware will be great, but the software doesn't interest me.
Submitted by ha (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:18.

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The keyboard is also worse than Sense's. Why not have the option to press and hold a letter to bring up a number? Why make me have to select a new keyboard.

So not pleased.
Submitted by ha (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:22.

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i am really looking for a computer phone, not a gameboy phone. and i dont mean that games on a phone is bad they are awsome, i am comparing it to a gaming device which is a lockdown device that is made for one thing. a computer is made for everything that a computer can do.

an iphone is a gameboy phone and so is android. people go to iphone for a gameboy phone. people go to android because they dont like apple. but people go to microsoft for a productive computer device and this just doesnt look like it. it looks like a gameboy phone.

for instance. this phone is already assuming that i play xbox and use facebook and use bing. i dont!!! i use windows, and then i use whatever i feel like from there!!

i want a laptop with a phone!!! not a phone with a media shit pod in it!! "you can view available games" uughh!!! its like a commercial in your pocket!!
Submitted by fupamobile (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:41.

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I really hate that the iphone drove mobile devices into this direction. I really liked Windows mobile standard and thought developers and Microsoft were making progress bridging professional and standard. How does this interface fit for those of us who like front facing qwerty keyboards and one handed operation (Samsung Jack and Epix). Is the weather even shown on the homescreen? This just looks like microsoft is trying to keep up with apple at the expense of the buyers and developers who kept them in business. In my opinion, all they needed to do was add a cursor to non touchscreen devices and move everyone over to WM professional. I'm going to stay with WM 6.x as long as I can and then might consider getting a blackberry.
Submitted by Ray123 (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:19.

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I have to agree with fupamobile. I already have a Zune media Player. I don't need an I-Zune Media, Social App Phone. I need a superfast, multitasking, battery saving PDA that also can play Media (Zune Media player would work ;-), store and take pics, sync with my computer online and off, browse the internet, open my docs, runs oodles of apps of various flavors at a flick. WP7 may be different similar to the way the Iphone is different and it may sell to people who want something like an Iphone but different. I need a mini laptop on speed that can do whatever I need it to do. When FaceBook & Twitter wears out, moves on and other apps come up, whats this phone going to do for you?
Submitted by NH3MAN (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:22.

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The interface looks kinda cluttered and messy. Doesn't really look like a smartphone that anyone can pick up and figure out straight away (like the iPhone).

I wonder how powerful the CPU and GPU have to be for the UI to feel fuild? I'd hate to think that you'll need a 1.5 GHz Cortex-A9 CPU for the phone to be useable.

If the updates from Facebook, Xbox, etc are live, WP7 better have a good push notification service otherwise battery life will be woeful.

Interesting that there has been no mention about upgrading existing (or upcoming) WM6.5 devices to WP7. Would you lock yourself into a 2-year contract with a WM6.5 phone knowing that WP7 devices are just 6-9 months away.
Submitted by Will (not verified) on Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:38.

RE: WM7 could be a contender!
e_tellurian @ 2/15/2010 5:28:45 PM # M Q
Good content Gekko. We need to build an OS that will bring the mobile industry together not as one just a cohesive working happy group.

E-T

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1.4

Show @ 2/26/2010 8:05:06 AM # Q
Any word on if this update that people have been anxiously waiting for will actually come in February as promised? Only a couple of more days left in February.

I say that this should have been standard on the Pre instead of making people wait. To not have it standard shows Palm is out of touch with many of it's users.
Chance Favors the Prepared Mind.

1.4 update to release later tonight 2/26/10
Show @ 2/26/2010 9:45:48 AM # Q
According to engadget the update will be tonight.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/sprint-confirms-pre-and-pixi-webos-1-4-update-coming-tomorrow?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget


Palm Pre and Pixi WebOS 1.4 Software Update

On 2/26, Friday evening, Pre and Pixi device users will receive an Over the Air (OTA) notification to download the new 1.4 webOS software release.

This release includes both fixes and feature updates (listed below).

Fixes:

Time Zone bug fixed
Network time sync bug fixed to reflect accurate Network time

Bluetooth car-kit transition to device corrected

No EV icon bug fixed (random)

Random browser formatting bugs fixed

Fixed bug that incorrectly displayed Sprint when actually was Digital Roaming

Missing Contact issue specifically with swap down to 1.2.9.1 or less


Feature Updates:

Phonebook Transfer (import & export)
Adds Video Capture capability & edit

Calendar Enhancements

Messaging Enhancements

Improved Performance (Phone & CAL)

Email Enhancements

Notification Enhancements

Adds Adobe Flash 10.0 (Pre Only)

NOTE: The 1.4 software adds the ability to use the Flash 10.0 Adobe plug-in which will be available shortly from the Palm Appl Catalogue.
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From official internal Sprint document:

Customers: Palm Pre/Pixi web OS 1.4.0

Effective Date: Palm Pre 2-26

Details: The customer's device will recognize that it needs the latest SW and will ask the customer to allow the installation and download. The customer can also initiate the update from the Updates application.

Fixes, Feature Updates and Enhancements with Palm webOS 1.4
Fixes:
● Time Zone bug fixed.
● Network time sync bug fixed to reflect accurate Network time.
● BT car-kit transition to device corrected.
● No EV icon bug fixed (random)
● Random browser formatting bugs fixed.
● Fixed bug that incorrectly displayed Sprint when actually was Digital Roaming.

Enhancements:
Phonebook Transfer
o Added ability to export from the Palm Pixi address book /contacts to any other device (Previously Palm
supported only the import of address book transfer from a device to a Pixi)
Supports Video Capture capability
o Video editing (trim)
o Upload of videos to YouTube / Facebook /
o Send videos via MMS or email
Performance enhancements within Phone and Calendar applications
Calendar enhancements
o Dial phone numbers from within a meeting event
o Allow custom alert sounds for calendar event reminders
o Added AM and PM detail within calendar events
Email enhancements
o Allow custom alerts sounds/tones for email alerts
o Embedded phone numbers or email addresses (embedded in email) can be easily added to Contacts
application
o New email sort options (date, sender, subject)
o Return to inbox view after sending email
Messaging enhancements
o Ability to forward SMS to email
o Ability to dial phone number from SMS chat session (no need to open contact any longer)
Press & hold on a phone number to get more options (call, SMS)
Universal Search now includes EAS (Outlook Exchange) GAL corporate address look up
Application Launcher easier user interface providing user more feedback during an application launch
Notifications adding Blink options
o Palm Pixi Light-bar in gesture area blinks when notifications are pending

Manual Update Process:
1. Open Launcher
2. Scroll to Card 3
3. Tap Updates

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