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In what is likely going to be the fifth and final entry in my long-running PIC series (here, here, here, and here) chronicling the gradual decline of Palm's retail handheld presence, I am sad but unsurprised to report that Palm handhelds are all but extinct from retail shelves. Indeed, these aging devices are now starting to become scarce online even from top-tier e-tailers, a sure sign of impending doom.

Alongside the new year and hopefully a new Palm OS, Palm launched a refreshed Palm.com website on Monday that quite dramatically shoved all of their three remaining handhelds out of the spotlight. Also affected were all of Palm's older smartphones, with only the Treo Pro, 800w and Centro remaining as active models.

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Get'em Now

Caspian @ 1/7/2009 10:12:59 AM # Q
Thanks for the review. I have noticed the same thing as I have been in the electronics and office supply stores. I picked up a clean E2 at Goodwill a couple weeks ago for $10 and I will decide on Thursday whether to get a backup for my TX before they are all gone. I'm not crazy about staying with old technology, but I also don't want to lose my investment in software. Even if I were willing to replace all the software, there are some programs I use that aren't available for other platforms. Finally, as many have said here, there are some things that Palm just does best and there are no good alternative devices.

BTW I have an old Z22 and if anyone is saddened by its passing, they can contact me. I might trade it for an old Tungsten slider, which I don't have in my collection.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X

RE: Get'em Now
smiley1081 @ 1/8/2009 3:02:58 AM # Q
I just swapped my senescent Handera 330 for a new Handera 330 (out from the drawer where I kept it... :-) )

Now I am waiting for the Nuviphone, hoping that they banked on their iQue experience (I even wrote to their customer service, asking for compatibility with PalmOS PIM programs...)

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$$$$

joad @ 1/7/2009 10:35:19 AM # Q
It's just Palm hardballing their customers that if you don't want a cell phone and 2-year contract grafted to your PDA, then they don't want you around. Either that, or they have given up on trying to improve their PDA build quality and are now going to try finally improving the Treo.

Either way PDA owners - you'll soon be stuck buying antique Palm PDAs from Palm or Fleabay, or you WILL be assimilated into the "tiny screen cult" on Colligan's island.

Maybe if Nova goes anywhere and the build quality is decent, Palm will eventually figure out how to remove the $300.00 cell radios from one and sell it as a PDA..If their carrier overlords let them...

RE: $$$$
dagwud @ 1/7/2009 10:51:12 AM # Q
My TX has no contract, and it suits me. I've switched cell companies 3 times in the last 2.5 years for various reasons, and my TX is just as functional as the day I bought it. Actually, more so, thanks to Dmitry Grinberg and his software.

Can't wait to see what DGOS ends up looking like.

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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)

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PDA demise

dandrade @ 1/7/2009 10:46:00 AM # Q
The problem with the Z22 is that it is more expensive than the Centro, so who would buy it, when for less money, you get a better PDA with a built in phone.

I don't see many stand alone PDA's anywhere really anymore. It's too bad for those people who want just a PDA. Maybe Palm will change their mind if NOVA and the new devices do well. Kind of like the iPhone/iPod Touch thing.

Can't wait for tomorrow, 2pm EST for the Palm announcement at CES.

RE: PDA demise
dagwud @ 1/7/2009 10:57:18 AM # Q
Many of us who have stuck with PDAs will eventually shift. I know the rumors about new devices have my attention.

But I also know some folks who work in "top secret" settings where cell phones aren't allowed. I even know one guy who had to physically disable the IR port on his Palm handheld, because they weren't allowed to have ANY transmitting devices on the work floor. He couldn't even upgrade to newer units because they had Bluetooth built in.

Folks in this situation will probably have to revert to Moleskines and fountain pens.

(Waits for gekko to comment about Moleksine's not being much more archaic than my TX.)

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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)

RE: PDA demise
Caspian @ 1/7/2009 10:58:22 AM # Q
You're right about the Z22. I have it in my desk drawer because my wife gave it up for the Centro. I just can't get excited about the small square screen devices, even if they have a phone attached.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: PDA demise
PacManFoo @ 1/7/2009 2:47:21 PM # Q
http://tinyurl.com/5t78s5

And their not already three years old.

The last known classic PDA user.

RE: PDA demise
BaalthazaaR @ 1/7/2009 3:03:09 PM # Q
I apologize for the long url, but I can't use tinyurl.

PDAs are soo dead:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8567251230.html

P.S. Expansion boards like the old Handspring idea are also sooo dead.

RE: PDA demise
SeldomVisitor @ 1/7/2009 3:40:33 PM # Q
> ...I can't use tinyurl...

Simply out of technical curiosity, I have to ask why?

Here're some others that do the same thing: http://notlong.com/links/

RE: PDA demise
Caspian @ 1/7/2009 5:07:25 PM # Q
"PDAs are soo dead:"

I agree, and in case someone from Palm reads PIC and cares, I'll explain why that saddens me.

My Palm handheld died as a PDA as soon as I learned it would run Quicken and WordSmith. As a PDA it saved me from keeping up a weekly, monthly, and yearly paper calendar along with making sure that all of that stuff also got entered into GroupWise (remember that?). But when I found the other applications that would run on it, my humble PDA became a handheld computer that allowed me to take notes at meetings, record my expenses, get my news, keep my mileage, track my album collection, and do my reading. If the Palm handhelds had remained only PDAs, they would have lost their novelty and died out years ago.

I don't want to go back to the old days, but I am disappointed that the PDA has "converged" with the phone and not with the laptop. Having a phone conversation on a PDA seems as unnatural as having a phone conversation on my calculator.

The idea of a Palm OS laptop has been around for a long time and I hope that the idea is not dead. I don't want a netbook that takes two minutes to boot and doesn't sync with anything. I want a portable computer running the Palm OS with a full 90-95% keyboard and a real screen to match. Throw in a GPS for good measure and if it has a radio in it, I want it for Web browsing and not talking to people. The Foleo had the right design, but the wrong execution. If Palm produced a Foleo II with full Palm handheld capabilities, they might have something. Of course they would need to price it competitively with the netbooks.

OK, my semi rant is over. Thanks for your patience. Palm, are you listening?

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X

RE: PDA demise
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2009 5:29:33 PM # Q
Bring back the T|W and i705!

Pat Horne
RE: PDA demise
NuShrike @ 1/7/2009 6:08:52 PM # Q
@ Caspian:
You want a Nokia N800: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800

It does everything you are asking for including running PalmOS apps, and is not primarily a phone.

Palm III -> Sony NR610C -> Sony NR70 -> Sony NX80 -> Palm T|X -> HTC Kaiser -> HTC Fuze

RE: PDA demise
mbgrayson @ 1/7/2009 6:45:38 PM # Q
"The problem with the Z22 is that it is more expensive than the Centro, so who would buy it, when for less money, you get a better PDA with a built in phone."

Well, several things wrong with that analysis. The Centro is not cheaper, unless you have a phone contract, which makes the net cost higher.

Secondly, I dislike the tiny screen on the Centro. I'm 49, and already using reading glasses. I want a larger screen for my calandar, calculator, address book, etc. Even the Treo 700P seems too small, really, compared to my T/X.

I think Palm missed the boat with PDA type devices. Look at the Ipod Touch: selling briskly, a large touch screen, WiFi, music and video player, decent browser, calandar, address book, and now thousands of apps that you can buy and many are free.

That could have been Palm....it would have been a shorter leap for Palm than it was for Apple. Palm already had touch screen, WiFi, great developers community, etc. The only thing they lacked was leadership smart enough to keep going in that direction. Very sad, for those of us that have owned a Palm since 1996.

RE: PDA demise
Caspian @ 1/7/2009 6:58:21 PM # Q
NuShrike
Thanks for the tip. If the news tomorrow is not good, the Nokia may be what I am looking for.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: PDA demise
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2009 8:58:44 PM # Q
MBG,
Using the Z22 in a comparison is not much of a choice. The Treo screens are actually light years better and the basic same size ... and square.
Yes, fools dumped Palm's core PDA biz while Apple listened to what we begged for around here for years. Apple reinvented the wheel and prospers while Palm is about to take her final breath.
Oh btw, I post this in bed with my wifi big screen thin non cell iPod Touch and killer browser while my Treo 680 and SSS lays on the desk. Sad.

Pat Horne
RE: PDA demise
joad @ 1/7/2009 9:55:52 PM # Q
When Handspring gave Palm the Treo on a silver platter years ago in 2003, that miniscule screen was a REAL PITA to get used to compared to my Tungsten C (or Lifedrive, can't recall...). The redundancy of data and charging 2 devices eventually made me bite the bullet and put th ePDA aside, but it sucked to give up a readable screen.

My eyes are now 5+ years older, but Palm has made the screen (and the battery life) even *smaller* with the Centro. Wrong direction, fellas!

From the looks of the leaked mockups, I'm hoping against hope that the Nova team has finally figured out that battery life and screen size is important to people and they've finally forced Palm to improve things rather than wreck 'em. Give me a PDA-sized screen with the Treo "smile" keyboard and a modern OS that runs legacy Palm apps well, and I'll probably even buy some of their miserable stock.

RE: PDA demise
LiveFaith @ 1/7/2009 11:17:30 PM # Q
**Give me a PDA-sized screen with the Treo "smile" keyboard and a modern OS that runs legacy Palm apps well, and I'll probably even buy some of their miserable stock.**

You need the Roteo.

Pat Horne

RE: PDA demise
BaalthazaaR @ 1/8/2009 12:22:52 PM # Q
@ Caspian:
>>"PDAs are soo dead:"

>>I agree, and in case someone from Palm reads PIC and cares, I'll explain why that saddens me.

That was sarcasm... the link was about a newly anounced EDA (since PDAs are considered obsolete) it reminded me of my old Visor Edge with its expansion slot.

@ SeldomVisitor
>>Simply out of technical curiosity, I have to ask why?

Our network guys block sites. Especially ones that get a lot of hits.


I know that this was soo yesterday, but I couldn't get back to it in time before the servers went down.

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PDA Disappearing and Obsolete?

Gekko @ 1/7/2009 6:07:49 PM # Q

OUTRAGEOUS!!!

who'd of thunk it???


RE: PDA Disappearing and Obsolete?
joad @ 1/7/2009 9:57:02 PM # Q
Umm...err...you?

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Z22 getting scarce

philpalm @ 1/7/2009 7:56:05 PM # Q
I have been reading about the scarcity of Z22 on the z22 forums on yahoo.

I wonder how many were ruined when you accidentally use a metal stylus?

Or ruined by dropping a Z22 without a protective case?

Or just gets lost in a woman's purse?

RE: Z22 getting scarce
joad @ 1/7/2009 9:58:17 PM # Q
That device makes even the Centro seem reasonable by comparison...

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PDAs aren't dead, but Palm is dead to me

JonAcheson @ 1/8/2009 9:07:33 AM # Q
Considering that I only need a prepaid wireless plan, as I just don't use my cellphone that much, and smartphones are never available on those plans, I don't see myself owning a Palm smartphone any time in the future.

On the other hand, there are plenty of devices coming out that are called iPods or media players or web tablets or UMPCs or handheld video game systems that look suspiciously like PDAs to me.

Eventually one of them will get some manner of Palm emulation, or even just a set of decent PIM apps that can read in the data from my old Palm, and I will have an upgrade path.

If Palm isn't willing to be a part of that, Palm doesn't matter.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: PDAs aren't dead, but Palm is dead to me
hoodoo @ 1/8/2009 10:22:43 AM # Q
Would you really want this kludge?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytdghr


RE: PDAs aren't dead, but Palm is dead to me
JonAcheson @ 1/8/2009 12:07:05 PM # Q
Depends how much of a kluge it winds up being.

I'm not crazy about Apple hardware, though. Too much proprietary junk, like the connectors.


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

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PDAs aren't dead

sremick @ 1/9/2009 7:05:07 AM # Q
PDAs aren't "dead" in the sense they're unwanted/unneeded. They're "dead" because companies like Palm won't make them anymore.

PDAs are as "dead" as the iPod Touch is unpopular.

Of course, the convergence/smartphone fanatics will jump on this thread and ramble on with their rants due to their inability to fathom that some people want a handheld computing device that does what the original Palms did, by only paying a single upfront fee and not having to pay some monthly cell phone contract. I don't need a cell contract to keep track of addresses, phone numbers, notes, appointments and schedules, my photo collection, play music/podcasts, or play games. Hell, I used to watch full-length movies on my T3, and think how old THAT thing is.

If my T3/m500/m505/m515/V/Vx had required a monthly fee, I would've never bought it.

PDAs aren't dead because Palm says so. Palm wants us to THINK PDAs are dead simply because they won't make them. Meanwhile Apple will laugh at Palm all the way to the bank as iPod Touches fly off the shelves.

RE: PDAs aren't dead
Gekko @ 1/9/2009 7:10:36 AM # Q

they're just sleeping?

RE: PDAs aren't dead
BaalthazaaR @ 1/9/2009 7:41:29 AM # Q
They're being called "enterprise digital assistants" now.
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R.I.P. Circuit City

Gekko @ 1/17/2009 6:07:54 AM # Q

you will be missed.

RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
mikecane @ 1/17/2009 9:35:49 AM # Q
But not by me!

Good riddance to CompUSA and Circuit City!

RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
mikecane @ 1/17/2009 10:32:28 AM # Q
Eh. They were at one time a fair place to fondle PDAs. Then that stopped.

At one time, the sales staff seemed to be very knowledgeable about HDTVs, from conversations I overheard. They also had good displays for HDTVs too.

Still, let them all die.

Just don't touch J&R, dammit!

RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
Gekko @ 1/17/2009 10:45:02 AM # Q

i bought my first palm there.

RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
mikecane @ 1/17/2009 11:47:41 AM # Q
I bought mine at some damn trade show in NYC. Hmmm ... possibly it was when it was still called PC Expo.

RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
freakout @ 3/3/2009 3:12:06 AM # Q
Mine wasn't technically a "Palm"; it was the Handspring Treo 270. I got it off eBay for a steal - the seller claimed that it didn't work. I figured I could get it fixed for cheaper than the price of a new one. But when I got it and took it out of the box it worked fine. Best bargain I've ever found.
RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
Gekko @ 3/3/2009 5:28:25 AM # Q

seller probably just dropped it in the toilet. and by the time it got to you it dried out. what a bargain!
RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
freakout @ 3/3/2009 12:57:09 PM # Q
Oh well. Didn't smell funny. And hey, toilets can be cleaner than keyboards: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/106805.php
RE: R.I.P. Circuit City
Gekko @ 3/3/2009 3:14:11 PM # Q

seat or handle vs. bowl. think about it.

"Ah, goatees. The preferred facial hair of nerds, fat guys, bikers and Mark Wilson." Gizmodo

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