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TealOSProlific Palm OS developers TealPoint, has just released TealOS, which brings a webOS like experience to current Palm OS devices. Calling it a multi-functional application launcher, TealOS simulates the card-based interface of WebOS on the new Palm Pre. TealOS comes complete with support for thumbnail image cards, a translucent applications screen, customizable background images, and even a popup wave launcher. You can checkout more screenshots and a video demo of it running on a Centro after the break.

TealOS v1.03 is available now with a free trial period. The program costs $14.95 to purchase the full version. TealPoint says it should be compatible with most Palm OS 5 based Palm devices and supports high-res plus devices such as the Palm TX.

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Ryan typed as I was!

mikecane @ 2/21/2009 11:18:04 AM # Q
I just got done recommending this to Gekko in a frikkin Comment and pop back to Home and see you've done it as a complete post!

Well, that ought to get Gekko's attention now.

Hey Gekko:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9698/#150085

Drat! He already found it:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/7085/#150084

Go for it Gekko!

I'm not doing it for my LifeDrive. Don't want to spoil my Pre virginity.

RE: Ryan typed as I was!
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 11:24:04 AM # Q

it might be better on your LD due to larger screen size, pizza boy.

RE: Ryan typed as I was!
hkklife @ 2/21/2009 11:51:32 AM # Q
Doubtful. It'lll probably run horribly on the LD due to the rotten memory architecture of the LD, though Mike's CF mod should help matters tremendously.

I honestly may stick this on my TX though I doubt it'll end up being much more useful than the stillborn Saguaro concept from a couple years ago...though TealPoint does havea solid history of supporting their products.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: Ryan typed as I was!
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 12:55:02 PM # Q
>>>though Mike's CF mod should help matters tremendously.

You are mistaken. Even with CF, the LD is a laggy piece of crap. I can wait up to ten seconds at times to switch from Calendar to, say, Memos or SmartDOC. It torments my short-term memory.

It'd probably work better on your TX.

RE: Ryan typed as I was!
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 2:13:01 PM # Q

planned obsolescence. good excuse to upgrade to the Pre. i think you've milked every last drop of your two second hand legacy devices you can feel good about spending a few bucks on a new, state of the art device. amortized over the last 13 years of Palm's existence, your investment in devices should not feel excessive and thus - is justified.



RE: Ryan typed as I was!
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 5:21:52 PM # Q
Your Stalker Files are woefully in error:

1) Palm III: Bought by myself, not off ebay, new; dropped, screen smashed(!!)
2) Sony CLIE S320: a gift
3) Tungsten WTF - the 320x320 one: long-term loaner that died
4) LifeDrive: HD died on owner, bought off ebay

You can also add:

5) Everex FreeStyle Palm-sized PC: off ebay, because. What garbage!!
6) Toshiba GENIO: off ebay. So lovely, then the screen died!!

And the GENIO keyboard, plus a portable BT keyboard, plus the Palm keyboard for the Tungsten.

7) Nokia 770 Anti-Internet Tablet: a disease transmitted for free by Nokia

I think that's it.

Now, what do your files say about my feet?

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tried it on my centro

Gekko @ 2/21/2009 11:22:05 AM # Q

well i tried it and played with it and it's amazing that TealPoint could do what they did but on the tiny 2.2" 320x320 screen and with the limitations of FrankenGarnet and hardware it was not that exciting in practice.

the Pre's big allure for me is the internet browser, Wifi, GPS, advanced BT, fast processor, huge memory, and huge screen. all of which can't be added with a software hack.

RE: tried it on my centro
abosco @ 2/21/2009 11:30:03 AM # Q
the Pre's big allure for me is the internet browser, Wifi, GPS, advanced BT, fast processor, huge memory, and huge screen. all of which can't be added with a software hack.

... iPhone?

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: tried it on my centro
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 11:30:51 AM # Q

it felt like driving Bosco's Civic after a new mod from Pep Boys -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEiOlHkPxeM

Japanese Ferrari

RE: tried it on my centro
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 1:02:27 PM # Q
>>>the Pre's big allure for me is the internet browser, Wifi, GPS, advanced BT, fast processor, huge memory, and huge screen. all of which can't be added with a software hack.

Since when is the Pre on your buying list?! You did nothing but wail wail wail about the lack of Garnet compatibility!

RE: tried it on my centro
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 1:43:02 PM # Q
wtf? garnet compatibility? I don't give a f about that. never said I did. you must be confusing me with someone else, pizza boy.
RE: tried it on my centro
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 2:03:06 PM # Q
I don't recall *any* enthusiasm from you for the Pre. It's been all "My widdle Centro, I wub it!!!"

Well, that and pimping Sprint's Everything Plan.

RE: tried it on my centro
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 2:08:58 PM # Q

is your memory really that bad? has the microwave plastic really leeched in and done that much damage? recall i said i was getting a Pre and was excoriating them to get it out quickly? recall i was happy it/i was on Sprint?


RE: tried it on my centro
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 3:33:02 PM # Q

"last night i had a weird dream that i had webOS running on my centro. it had the cards and the wave launcher and everything. and then i woke up in a cold sweat."

RE: tried it on my centro
mikecane @ 2/23/2009 2:38:34 PM # Q
Answer the phone, Gekko, this call is for you:

http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-palm-pre-in-2013/

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Experience on Treo 680

Ryan @ 2/21/2009 12:09:22 PM # Q
I just gave this a good run through on my Treo 680.

It runs pretty well, but a little slow here and there. It will add a couple seconds wait before it launches an app while it does a loading animation. An overclocking utility may help for this.

There are a lot of nag screens in the demo version.

The wave launcher is very cool and useful. Basically the same as webOS.

Apps don't continue to run, the app appears to just take a screenshot before you exit.

It's basically a glorified launcher environment.

I wonder if Palm is going to take issue with this for whatever reason. Better download now before its C&D'd.

All said, it's very impressive, and I'm sure it will see some improvement over time. Great job TealPoint.

RE: Experience on Treo 680
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 12:59:28 PM # Q
Given the way Palm pulled the Foleo rug out from under TealPoint, I think it'd be in their best interests overall just to ignore it.

1) They don't want to alienate a big developer.

2) If they want to legitimize it, they can do a $1 deal with TealPoint for a look-and-feel license.

I mean, really, how long will the Centro be around and what additions could be made to this program that'd threaten either the Pre or webOS?

RE: Experience on Treo 680
SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2009 1:20:45 PM # Q
> ...It's basically a glorified launcher environment...

The Pre?

RE: Experience on Treo 680
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 2:10:32 PM # Q

it's the hardware, dummy.

RE: Experience on Treo 680
hotpaw4 @ 2/21/2009 9:19:13 PM # Q
> The Pre?

... run the HTML5 Javascript environment.

What happens when you try to run an HTML5 heavy web page on a Centro?

The rest is just window dressing.

RE: Experience on Treo 680
LiveFaith @ 2/21/2009 9:54:42 PM # Q
** > ...It's basically a glorified launcher environment...

The Pre? **

No. He's talking @ the TOS app. The "review" on the 680 is spot on. I to did the same and found the same experience. Overclocked to 455mhz and it ran a bit more crisp. Yes, it's a glorified launcher, but it does give a neat hands-on for what WebOS may feel like. Pretty cool to try.

One thing this reveals on the wave is the fact that only 5 apps are there. The gesture to bring it up and select is very natural, but why not allow it to scroll to the right and left off-screen for a larger # of predefined apps? I currently have about 10-11 apps mapped to my 4 Treo hard buttons using the function key as well as SingleButtonLauncher. 90% of my apps are right there and a keystroke or 2 away. WebOS could scroll off right or left and have 15 or more apps at ease. This would satisfy us geeks.

Pat Horne

RE: Experience on Treo 680
LiveFaith @ 2/21/2009 10:06:55 PM # Q
BTW. Looks HORRIBLE with Palm's archaic 2pixel white border on Treos, but not Centros. Does any app get rid of this stupid thing on a NVFS Treo?

Pat Horne
RE: Experience on Treo 680
SeldomVisitor @ 2/22/2009 4:06:57 AM # Q
> ...No. He's talking @ the TOS app....

True.

But I wasn't.

Giggle.

RE: Experience on Treo 680
freakout @ 2/22/2009 4:32:53 AM # Q
why not allow it to scroll to the right and left off-screen for a larger # of predefined apps?

That's a top idea. I'm thinking webOS's first hack?

RE: Experience on Treo 680
bhartman34 @ 2/22/2009 1:54:47 PM # Q
The gesture to bring it up and select is very natural, but why not allow it to scroll to the right and left off-screen for a larger # of predefined apps?

I think that would defeat the purpose of being a quick launcher. You don't want a huge stash of apps in the wave launcher, because that would bog the process of working from the launcher down.

I have to play around with it more, but so far I'm really liking TealOS as a launcher. It's the first launcher I've seen so far that could really hold a candle to ZLauncher. It will definitely help me hold out until my AT&T contract is up so I can go to Sprint for the Pre.

Having said that, this shouldn't cannibalize any Pre sales, from what I can tell. First, the card view in TealOS is impressive, but it's not as good as what the Pre does. The cards aren't live. And as has already been noted, this doesn't suddenly give you access to a good browser, GPS, Wifi, accelerometer, etc.

For anyone who is only impressed with the WebOS launcher, this might be enough, But I can't imagine that group would be that large.

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About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?

SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2009 1:23:37 PM # Q
Gosh.

Sure gonna take The Competition a long time to mimic what they want to mimic, huh?

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 2:09:58 PM # Q

imitation is the best form of flattery.


RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2009 2:17:24 PM # Q
Are you quoting Apple?

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
freakout @ 2/21/2009 2:39:16 PM # Q
^^ Apple... they're the company that copied the Treo's threaded messaging, mute switch and phone interface, right? Not to mention the Palm OS launcher.

Go back far enough and everyone's imitating someone.

Sure gonna take The Competition a long time to mimic what they want to mimic, huh?

Sigh. This is a skin. A great-looking, amazing skin. But it doesn't "mimic" any of the actual underlying webOS architecture. (But you know that already. What's your agenda, SV?)

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2009 2:44:05 PM # Q
You don't understand the Pre target market, huh?

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
freakout @ 2/21/2009 2:58:29 PM # Q
And you do? LOL.

Palm's core market is the same it went for with the original Pilot: people who want a cool gadget that helps simplify the management of their lives - business or personal. In other words, pretty much everyone. They've brought PIM into the 21st century with Synergy and made it a killer app again. This skin does not bring any of that to Palm OS.

What's the point of your question? Was there one?

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
mikecane @ 2/21/2009 5:24:56 PM # Q
If all of you would Stop Feeding The Troll, he'd just starve to death. There can't be much nutritive content in the juices he constantly stews in.

Just do-> /ignore

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/23/2009 3:21:53 AM # Q
[link posted by someone else here]

http://www.prethinking.com/home/2009/2/22/do-the-guys-behind-tealos-have-a-palm-pre.html

Yup, one month.

At the Apple App Store Approval Desk there are 479 implementations awaiting approval...giggle.

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
bhartman34 @ 2/23/2009 6:56:10 AM # Q
SV:

In case you missed the end of the article you linked to:

Moving forward, once the Pre is available, we don't anticipate anyone choosing to keep TealOS as a long term as a substitute for an actual WebOS device. Instead, it's much more likely to just whet someone's appetite for the real thing. After all, a good interface is a good interface, and even in its rough TealOS-emulated form, the WebOS interface really shines.

As others have said, there's a lot in WebOS that can't be duplicated on a POS 5 device. Sure, it'll take about a month (if that) to imitate TealOS on an iPhone/iPod Touch, but the underlying architecture of WebOS is what makes the Pre attractive. Slapping a skin on an iPhone won't suddenly give the iPhone the web-centric appeal that the Pre is going for. And it certainly won't give the iPhone the Pre's hardware specs. (And let's not even get into copy and paste...)

The Pre is obviously not perfect. The lack of an SD card slot and relatively cramped onboard memory is a major drawback. Having said that, it appears to be a real contender against the iPhone, outpacing it on several specs.

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/23/2009 7:04:52 AM # Q
WHAT "underlying architecture"!!!?

You mean the =application= that surfs the web and gathers information from N sites (N quite small - like 3 - right now) to display later?

It'll take a couple days for THAT to be mimicked (no, NOT duplicated - mimicked in a form that's "good enough"...just like the UI).

You mean multitasking?

Who cares!? (and that is a literal based-from-fact-on-what-endusers-actually-do question)

You mean using certain gestures to zoom and compress the view?

Gosh.

The user interface is THE thing about the Pre; it has now been duplicated on the lowest-of-the-low. Add a few MUCH-easier-to-develop-than-that-UI applications and everything that is "cool" about the Pre is mimicked.

Don't NEED no stinkin' MySQL behind the scenes.

Don't NEED no stinkin' multifinger anything.

I think Palm is considering their options RIGHT NOW about how to quash this. Because if it ws THAT easy to mimick the UI so thoroughly it'll be THAT easy to mimick the actual "underlying functionality".

We'll see - I'm impressed with the speed of this particular TealOS development (shocked, actually). I won't at ALL be surprised at the Windows Mobile version (there's yer multitasking!) nor at how fast some other developer comes out with a data-mining app for it.



RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
bhartman34 @ 2/23/2009 8:59:39 AM # Q
You mean the =application= that surfs the web and gathers information from N sites (N quite small - like 3 - right now) to display later?

That's not all that the app does. It also assembles the information and updates what needs to be updated. In addition to that, it synthesizes the information so that your GPS capability is linked in to your calendar and e-mail, etc.

Yes, only a few sources can be synched with the Pre right now, but that won't last very long. The synthesizing of different site information is a good enough idea that it's all but certain to be widely implemented. Who wouldn't want their contacts to be updated automatically with the most current information from all such sites, giving them a complete view of their contact information in one place?

You mean multitasking?

Who cares!? (and that is a literal based-from-fact-on-what-endusers-actually-do question)

You're kidding, right? Multitasking is a big deal, because it allows people to use mobile devices the same way they use their desktops and laptops. Or don't you think people want to be able to do something as basic (basic in a laptop or desktop, that is) as playing music while composing an e-mail or texting?

You mean using certain gestures to zoom and compress the view?

Well, no. That is a strictly UI issue, and I can agree that it's not that big a deal, other than maybe for Web browsing.

Don't NEED no stinkin' MySQL behind the scenes.

Need? Maybe not. But MySQL behind the scenes means that a lot of developers will be able to hit the ground running. MySQL has a fairly significant following.

I think Palm is considering their options RIGHT NOW about how to quash this. Because if it ws THAT easy to mimick the UI so thoroughly it'll be THAT easy to mimick the actual "underlying functionality".

Even if TealOS did accurately create the UI of WebOS (which it doesn't completely succeed in doing), there would be no reason for Palm to want to quash it. The Pre has a lot more than the UI going for it - especially for the people who will install TealOS. Palm hasn't updated its OS in 5 years. Do you really think people will keep a 5-year old operating system, with all its limitations (which we've gone over on this forum ad nauseum) just because there's an app that puts a shiny new face on it? Are you serious?

I'm not even so sure there'd be a market for this kind of thing on the iPhone/iPod Touch. What would the point be? I'm not sure it provides a significant advantage over the iPhone's standard launcher. You might make a better argument for it on a WinMob device (since they can multitask, and the WinMob UI does seem to lag behind), but not on the iPhone.

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
freakout @ 2/23/2009 11:33:22 AM # Q
The user interface is THE thing about the Pre;

There's a Facebook group that was made in response to people like you, SV:

http://tinyurl.com/ao6nm7

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
sbono13 @ 2/23/2009 11:44:50 AM # Q
"At the Apple App Store Approval Desk there are 479 implementations awaiting approval...giggle."

And none of them will get approved. Apple doesn't allow third party launchers.

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
twrock @ 2/23/2009 9:09:15 PM # Q
Apple doesn't allow third party launchers.

Using SV's definition, I recall it took something like two days for someone to "implement" the iPhone OS on Palm. And Apple promptly sent them a C&D letter, so clearly Apple was threatened by people copying their "OS" so easily. And based on the length of time it took in each case, we can conclude that the iPhone OS is way less complex than Palm's webOS. Hey, even I "implemented" the iPhone OS, and I have no coding skills at all: http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1891

So I'm still not sure if SV actually believes his own BS or if he's just having fun trolling.


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RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/24/2009 10:52:40 AM # Q
There's a distinction between copying the feel of an OS and developing that feel independently, with all the testing, trial and error, etcetera that implies.

Now that said, I do think it's safe to say that the webOS interface and infrastructure seem simple enough that it probably did not take Palm all that long to build it. Which combined with other factors (like the Garnet license they acquired) suggest that they were working on something else, and ended up having to scrap their original plan in favor of building something simpler.

RE: About a month to implement it on an ancient OS, huh?
abosco @ 2/24/2009 11:36:37 AM # Q
...we can conclude that the iPhone OS is way less complex than Palm's webOS.

LOL!

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

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So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'

SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2009 2:03:55 PM # Q
Seriously - I've read many a comment about "No need for the cloud" from fanboys. And, of course, mucho lamenting about "No backward compatibility".

Now they have "forward compatibility" instead!

I think Palm is gonna stomp on this one...

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
LiveFaith @ 2/21/2009 10:04:43 PM # Q
SV,
I don't think I would consider this forward-much-of-anything. It's really just a launch that knocks off WebOS gesturing in a cool way for really uncool Palm hardware. It's not productive in any real way ... just interesting kinda like the iPhony app I still keep on my treo for fun. Palm's pitiful current hardware are no match for this launcher.

Also, I doubt Palm hammers TP over this. Like Cain said earlier, Palm shafted them mightily with the Foleo cancellation. TP is one of their strong devs, not a "charlatan" like the iPhony dev. I would say Palm knew this was coming. Or maybe I'm wrong. :-/

Pat Horne

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
SeldomVisitor @ 2/22/2009 4:14:02 AM # Q
But..but...but...the UI is pretty much what has been demoed for the Pre.

Done.

Now some enterprising PalmOS developer just creates a SINGLE app that can surf the 'Net, gather info from N web sites, package and display it all together, and ... tada! ... totally done.

And that's no kidding at all.

Ya don't need no stinkin' browser to surf and gather.

Oh.

Wait!

Multitasking!

Uh...pardon...but that's literally known to be unimportant in the general case, though Marketeers like to pretend it means something. Don't EVER forget what the generic smartphone user uses their phones for - phone, email, messaging, PIM (like calendar) - that's IT.

I betcha Palm stomps on this fast. they don't need their target market spending $15 for this and another $10 for the "'Net Gatherer" app and using it on their perfectly-fine old PalmOS devices...


RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
PacManFoo @ 2/22/2009 2:34:18 PM # Q
Downloaded to my TX last night. Bought a license today. My only question is why the heck couldn't Palm have done this years ago? This is about the closest to multitasking on the PalmOS I have ever seen. By the way this runs just fine on the TX. Best of all, you don't need to buy a freakin' contract. Now can anyone come up with a TealOS sticker that will cover up the Palm logo on my TX?

The last known classic PDA user.
RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 2:40:12 PM # Q
>>>This is about the closest to multitasking on the PalmOS I have ever seen.

Huh? Weren't you around when Palm OS 4 had Hacks?
http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/the-flow-of-webos/

All you're being given are screensnaps of recently-used apps. How is that different than being sent back to the Launcher itself, where more than one icon is immediately available?

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
twrock @ 2/22/2009 5:02:10 PM # Q
"So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'"?

http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9700/#150135


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RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
PacManFoo @ 2/22/2009 8:09:27 PM # Q
Huh? Weren't you around when Palm OS 4 had Hacks?
http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/the-flow-of-webos/

All you're being given are screensnaps of recently-used apps. How is that different than being sent back to the Launcher itself, where more than one icon is immediately available?

The hacks you speak of did not keep you at the point in the program that these cards do. If I remember right, the hacks just gave you the ability to open a program from within another program. From what I've experienced so far I can leave a program, open another and return where I left off the first. I don't recall ever being able to do this with palm. It's more like a minimize feature.

FYI, I installed it on a TT2 tonight and it was MUCH slower then on my TX.

The last known classic PDA user.

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
mikecane @ 2/23/2009 2:41:44 PM # Q
>>>The hacks you speak of did not keep you at the point in the program that these cards do.

Go to Memos.
Open an existing Memo.
Go to Calendar.
Now go back to Memos.
That Memo from earlier should still be open.

Hello?

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
PacManFoo @ 2/23/2009 7:22:56 PM # Q
OK, Palm OS 4 Rulz! There, you feel better?

I still like the TealOS app.

The last known classic PDA user.

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
justauser @ 2/24/2009 1:31:09 AM # Q
I don't think TealOS remembers anything about an app's state. Depends on the app whether it 'remembers' its state on exit.

That having been said, I've used quite a few hacks and button extension utilities in my time. None of them are as much fun as that wave launcher:

Tapping out an email - need to do a calc - swipe and select - sweet - Swipe across the bottom and you're back to email (I won't lie to you, the swipe across the bottom doesn't always work for me.)

I'd be happy with an app that just emulated the wave launcher alone.

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
twrock @ 2/24/2009 5:18:00 AM # Q
All you're being given are screensnaps of recently-used apps. How is that different than being sent back to the Launcher itself, where more than one icon is immediately available?

I gotta agree with Mike on this one. (Don't let that go to your head, Mike; I won't let that happen too often.)

Granted, I didn't give it a serious effort and I am an "old dog", but I couldn't see how this UI would beat my ZLauncher setup for efficiency. I'm not saying it's worse, just that I can't see how it is really better. Of course YMMV.

Now if eye-candy is your thing......


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RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
mikecane @ 2/24/2009 7:38:33 AM # Q
>>>OK, Palm OS 4 Rulz! There, you feel better?

Hello, it's up to 5.x now - which does the same thing.

Have fun with TealOS. I'm waiting for the real deal.

RE: So, how many gajillion PalmOS users are saying 'Good enough!'
PacManFoo @ 2/24/2009 7:46:04 AM # Q
Hello, it's been at 5 for some time now. You just seemed so excited about the OS 4 hacks.

The last known classic PDA user.
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The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement

freakout @ 2/21/2009 2:32:26 PM # Q
Well, one thing this has convinced me of: the wave launcher is going to work just fine filling in for the Palm OS hard buttons. Works great!

It's a bit redundant on Palm OS though. I've got keyboard shortcuts set up on my Centro for pretty much everything I need, and the keyboard's in easier reach of my thumb than the screen. Plus Centro and the 680 have that "quick launch" menu when you hold down the home button that works a fair bit faster than the cards.

Also, no keyboard search on the launcher menu? Fix it, Teal!

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 680 -> Centro

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
justauser @ 2/21/2009 7:03:49 PM # Q
Yes, it needs a search / jump-to-letter facility in launcher.

It has remapped my hang-up button to make it a home button (on Treo650). Thus I can't turn off the phone radio or the phone itself while using this OS.

Otherwise - wow. I think I'd buy it if they fixed the above. Something about the wave that makes it more appealing than holding down the home button.

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
Gekko @ 2/21/2009 7:06:08 PM # Q
RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
justauser @ 2/21/2009 7:42:23 PM # Q
Aha. Thanks. One down (BTW just in case you noticed in the previous post I meant "this launcher" not "this OS" - I'm not quite THAT ignorant)

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
justauser @ 2/21/2009 8:09:02 PM # Q
Can turn off the phone using option+end but can't hang up using hard button = unusable (for me). Will have to remember to exit this trial before start of business tomorrow to avoid some expensive and awkward phone-off-the-hook moments!

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 12:21:53 PM # Q
>>>Option + end.

So look at this. Gekko is now in Phake Pre Heaven.

And no, you *never* said you were going to *get* one. You just foamed at the lips about Palm having to "crank it out" - probably because your entire 401K is sunk in Palm stock.

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
justauser @ 2/22/2009 3:53:25 PM # Q
# Version 1.05 - February 21, 2009
# Fixed compatibility with Treo650 power button

That was quick

RE: The Wave: acceptable hard button replacement
justauser @ 2/25/2009 3:08:45 PM # Q
# Version 1.06 - February 23, 2009
- Added support for seeking to icon in launcher screen by entering first letter of app

And it works well too. Nice little halo around selected icon. Done - I'm registering

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it's nice but why?

happyPalm @ 2/21/2009 2:43:31 PM # Q
gui is nice and all but it takes me quicker to launch apps using the builtin launcher. with keyboard shortcut it is even faster. i dont have to swipe and flip cards just to find the app.

PalmOS is dead. Bring on the PRE.

RE: it's nice but why?
joad @ 2/22/2009 11:32:59 AM # Q
PalmOS may be *old*, but reports of it's demise have been greatly exaggerated. As much as I encourage Palm to try something new to control their OS again, the fact is that there are tens of thousands of great and not so great apps that only work on PalmOS. They won't magically be rewritten overnight, or maybe ever.

Palm's Preh has dumped the baby with the bathwater, and as pretty as it looks - it has nothing to do with Palm as we knew it best. It is "Palm" in name only. It could just as well been from Microsoft, Apple, Sony or some Chinese coders, in which case the Palm fanboys would barely give it a second look. But because Palm releases something that has no PalmOS legacy support we're supposed to get all excited and throw away all our applications just because this one is Pre-tty?!?

I'm gonna check out this TealOS for kicks. Anything that keeps me happy until StyleTap or someone gets an emulator out and Palm relents and includes a MicroSD slot is only toward the good.

Palm "Preh": as in "eh, where's the microSD and Garnet emulator?"

RE: it's nice but why?
Piero @ 2/22/2009 2:28:24 PM # Q
i'll simply get a nokia internet tablet as my next pda..... no reason to continue with palm, and i'm not really into smartphones

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2 Bugs?

Gekko @ 2/22/2009 3:58:15 PM # Q

1. i could not access the bottom row app icons in the main launcher - the quick launch was forever in the way.

2. the wave launcher would not always come up when i tried it.


RE: 2 Bugs?
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 4:06:09 PM # Q
It's Just Not That Into You, Gekko.

RE: 2 Bugs?
Gekko @ 2/22/2009 4:07:34 PM # Q

check your gmail.

RE: 2 Bugs?
Gekko @ 2/22/2009 4:18:33 PM # Q

correction on #2 - wave launcher only works within an app. it's not meant to come up over the launcher. duh!

RE: 2 Bugs?
Gekko @ 2/22/2009 4:30:28 PM # Q

one last suggestion would be the ability to "hide" inactive apps in the main launcher. and not through using categories - i mean a real HIDE APP ICONS function like the "Invisible" App does. unfortunately, Invisible doesn't work within TealOS so TealPoint needs to add that function on TealOS.

http://palmgadget.com/palminvi.html

RE: 2 Bugs?
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 5:10:24 PM # Q
>>>check your gmail.

DELETED without opening.

You should frikkin know better than that!

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Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?

Gekko @ 2/22/2009 4:23:34 PM # Q
RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 5:07:09 PM # Q
If you'd Follow @PrePoint on Twitter, you would have known about that and more. The blog is only less than half of the actual blog. Stuff I don't do posts about winds up in Twitter.

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
Gekko @ 2/22/2009 5:26:45 PM # Q

i don't do twitter! nor facebook! nor myspace! etc!

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
abosco @ 2/22/2009 6:11:33 PM # Q
I think this is bad news. It doesn't sound like the platform is ready yet to reveal to some of their loyal, prime developers. Or maybe the platform is ready, but the SDK is far from complete. They did the opposite with the Foleo. Maybe they were trying to avoid another catastrophe?

I think too many people on this site are expecting the Pre to be a smash hit. I really don't think it has the support coming from anywhere - consumers, enterprise, or developers.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 6:30:15 PM # Q
abosco, you're just nuts. The buzz for the Pre is iPhone-like.

And if you got your nose out of iPhone sites for a spell, you'd see Palm is making the right moves:
http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/palm-hires-pre-sdk-developer-community-manager/

This is the first phone that can not only compete against the iPhone, but even prevent me from getting an iPhone.

And that it comes from Palm - who was just about *dead* - well, what does that say for Samsung, Sony, HTC, Nokia, and the rest of them with money to spend like Gekko in a cathouse?

And see:
CSS/HTML/JavaScript: What's Possible?
http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/csshtmljavascript-whats-possible/

Maybe it didn't take off in the iPhone's case because Apple was Doing It Wrong?

It'll be interesting to see what Apple has up its sleeve. But with Jobs on his LOA, the rumor mills have gone just about dead. Pardon that expression.

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
mikecane @ 2/22/2009 6:33:49 PM # Q
This is just a sliver of the daily buzz:
http://prepoint.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/pre-twitter-talk-for-february-19-2009/

If I did *every* damned tweet, it'd be *hundreds* per day. Worldwide.

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
abosco @ 2/22/2009 7:37:55 PM # Q
The whole web development platform is in place because Palm doesn't have the time to sit and create an SDK. They're hoping they can convince developers and consumers that this is enough until they release an SDK sometime in 2010.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is. You're oversimplifying the programming process. As far as I can tell, all interviewees, when asked about webOS development, stated, "It's nice, but we want a full SDK." Meanwhile, a full SDK is available on other platforms (including iYou-Know-What).

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
PacManFoo @ 2/22/2009 8:18:37 PM # Q
Written by Tam Hanna over at 1src -

Hello Folks,
soirry to be the party pooper, but I fear that the Pre will go into an iPhoneesque direction as far as software is concerned...which means loads of games and little else.


The last known classic PDA user.

RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
Gekko @ 2/22/2009 8:42:01 PM # Q

WTF is Tam talking about? iphone has a lot more than game apps available.



RE: Do the guys behind TealOS have a Palm Pre?
freakout @ 2/23/2009 12:04:57 AM # Q
bosco:
It doesn't sound like the platform is ready yet to reveal to some of their loyal, prime developers. Or maybe the platform is ready, but the SDK is far from complete.

I asked Pivotal about this in our interview. The answer was a bit nebulous:

PIC: Okay, last question: do you have any idea, or a general guess, not asking you to reveal anything, but how long do you think we are from seeing Mojo made public? So that developers can get their teeth stuck into it?

CS: There I can actually honestly say I don't know much more than the public does. I believe that Palm's released publicly that they're looking at at least for the device launch I'm not even sure what it says, I think Q2 maybe, on their website... but I honestly don't know more than what they're saying publicly.

PIC: Okay, perhaps looking at it from a different angle then... is the version that you've been working with... does it feel more or less complete? Does it feel like there's bits missing at all?

CS: It's a great platform right now. Definitely.

Which of course begs the question, why isn't it public yet? Maybe Palm are planning to release it alongside the Pre/webOS and are unwilling to release an SDK for hardware and software that isn't finalized yet.

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Apparently

Piero @ 2/22/2009 7:19:49 PM # Q
New nokia n900 is coming out this year,with a T1 OMAP3, and pbly. more than 256 ram

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WebOS Centro?

cstamper @ 2/23/2009 5:53:08 AM # Q
Anyone remember the centro 2 rumor? This is where is started; the screenshots look xactly the same.

LOL!

http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg

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Trying on TX, but having problems

Local @ 2/25/2009 1:05:37 AM # Q
I'm trying this on a TX. It works great for the most part, but two things don't seem to work:

I can almost never get the wave bar to appear.

Sliding an open application to the side to open another one by sliding along the bottom of the screen doesn't work. Ever.

Has anyone else been able to do these?

RE: Trying on TX, but having problems
twrock @ 2/26/2009 3:16:13 AM # Q
I had very similar problems in my attempt to use TealOS on my TX. However, I chalked it up to "pilot error" because it was not something I was used to doing. But maybe it's more than that.

I did get the sideways swipe to work in only one direction (left to right) about 1/3 of the time. Never in the other direction. I could get the wave to appear maybe half the time. But I did not use it for very long at all.

Another funny thing was that when I enabled it with the Bluetooth on and my cell phone in range, it went into some weird slow motion "stepping" start up and my phone kept beeping and trying to make some kind of connection with my TX (they are paired devices). I didn't bother to go to the documentation to see if this is a known issue with TealOS. I just found it to be a curious thing to have happen.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

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Teal OS

Robert Sisson @ 2/25/2009 3:38:01 PM # Q
I just downloaded the product under the free trial, and am quite impressed with it. While it certainly will not replace the new WebOS; it certainly does give all of us a great "Palm Pre" experience (before the official launch) with our old devices. It might even encourage some of us with applications that we rely on, but written for palm os, to stick with our old devices; until all the WebOS bugs are worked out, particulary the backward compatibility issues.

RE: Teal OS
PacManFoo @ 3/1/2009 2:38:53 PM # Q
The now have it up to Version 1.10 on the Beta Test page. I've put it on a Tungsten T, a Tungsten T2 and a TX. The newest version is running very good now down to the Tungsten T. The lag time with the TT has decreased considerbly. They keep adding more features nearly daily. Very impressed with what they have done and what they continue to do with this. Kudos to Tealpoint!!
The last known classic PDA user.
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