Compaq Revenue to be Higher than Palm Revenue
As yet another sign of Palm Inc.'s current problems, Gartner has released a report predicting that Compaq will soon show a higher quarterly revenue than Palm Inc. This doesn't mean that more iPaqs will be sold than Palm models, simply that Compaq will have a greater cash flow from its sales.
Gartner predicts that the average selling price of an iPaq is more than twice the average price of a Palm. They say the likely average price for a model from Palm Inc. is $209, while the average Compaq model will sell for about $500. This can only be caused by a drop in the sales of Palm's high-end models.
The Gartner report goes on to to predict that Palm Inc. will sell 622 thousand handhelds during its second quarter, where Compaq will sell 450 to 500 thousand.
In the past, many have accused the Gartner Group of being biased towards the Pocket PC and Microsoft. They have been predicting that the WinCE platform would inevitably beat out the Palm platform almost since the first WinCE devices were launched.
However, Pocket PC licensees are doing a better job of selling their handhelds to large corporations, who tend to buy in bulk, than Palm OS licensees are. The Palm OS is still dominating consumer sales.
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RE: My math is better than theirs
The real numbers
There's an untold story behind those Dataquest/Gartner numbers. Dataquest is reporting the manufacturer sell-in of products -- the money we at Palm get for the products we sell to the dealers this quarter. Because we stopped shipping many products for part of this quarter, in order to clear excess inventory, our revenue is artificially low at the moment. That doesn't mean our products have stopped selling -- it's just that a lot of the units selling now are ones we booked revenue for last quarter.
Also, we have put on some price promotions that have further depressed reported revenue this quarter.
In terms of actual sales to customers, retail share of the Palm OS in the US (as measured by companies like PC Data) continues to be stable about 90% share.
It's unfortunate that the coverage of the Dataquest/Gartner report isn't making any of this clear.
Mike
CCO, Palm Inc.
Mike - don't worry, your numbers should really spike up with
Mike - Who are you?
RE: The real numbers
"I.M. Anonymous (@ 6/18/2001 7:45:09 PM)"
READING from the link you posted: -
"Michael Mace
Vice President, Product Planning & Strategy
As chief competitive officer for Palm, Inc., Michael Mace is a senior member of the Palm OSŪ platform management team. His role is to understand the competitive..."
Please note the phrase "chief competitive officer".
RE: The real numbers
It is really refreshing that senior officers of Palm actually engage customers in a forum such as this. It restores somewhat my faith in the company in listening to customers.
I would raise to your attention why iPaq may be making inroads into enterprises is because it is easier for VC++ programmers to pick up a copy of (free) MS Embedded Visual Tools and start programming away rather than having to unlearnt their favorite interface and relearnt CodeWarrior.
Mike - I have a book suggestion for Palm Management.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0812931912/o/qid=992918588/sr=2-1/102-6612567-4288151
Interesting Slant
We could just as easily state that Ford Motor Company is going to be shutting down factories and sending 75% of it's workers home because their numbers are down compared to Rolls Royce. What numbers? Depends on who you want to make look good or bad.
I also find it interesting that this should be released on the MSN channel, instead of more important stories, and released before any real numbers are available. It has been a very effective technique to undermine a product by weakening consumer confidence.
As far as bulk sales are concerned, corporate bean counters have never had a reputation for efficiency. It does not surprise me that the buyers who have freedom from the restraints of corporate purchasing departments are the ones who buy more Palm products. I would be the first to say that Palm's marketing strategy has been sub standard, especially in light of Microsoft's marketing brilliance. But in the light of that marketing imbalance, if the Pocket PC was equal to, or better than, Palm OS devices, Palm's doors would have been long closed and rusted shut.
You may say that Palm's time is coming to an end, but I don't think so. They have come to a low point in their history, due in part to laziness and assumptions about what consumers really want. But this has already awaken them from their nap, and a leaner, more intense Palm will result. Is the Pocket PC outselling Palms this year? The answer is the same as last year, and the year before that, and the year before that: No.
In closing, I can't say that Palm will be around forever... we almost lost Microsoft recently, but it is encouraging that there is more activity in the Palm OS product field than ever before. Not only does the PPC have Palm to deal with, they also have HandSpring, HandEra, Acer, and now Sony to deal with.
Altema
Palm economy
The other part is don't trust any statistics you don't manipulate by yourself and never trust an analyst or market researcher, they are limited in their minds and have a specific motivation to say things in an unreal way - they do their job for money and from whom they get it!? Think about it! Palm isn't at the end, we see a new begining!
What about costs?
Corporate Palm already here
The HandEra 330 sales have been non-existent - BANKRUPTCY?
Sam's Club ended up unloading their slow-selling TRGPro stocks for $129 each. Expect them to drop the HandEra 330 price to $299 next week and $249 by July. Now that most of the previous TRGPro owners that wanted 330s have bought their 330s, HandEra's sales will be even worse.
HandEra seems to have made some major miscalculations regarding what it takes to compete in the PDA scene in 2001. When you factor in their reported manufacturing problems, the fact that they really only have one model, and their extremely slow prodiction cycle, it becomes obvious that they are soon going to be in trouble. And now they can no longer rely on corporate sales to boost their numbers.
I hope Sony, Handspring or Palm buys them out and incorporates their engineering into mainstream PDAs.
RE: Corporate Palm already here
RE: Retail Unimportant
-Mr. T
HandEra is having problems
Perhaps Handera's Mike Waldron could comment here if the previous post about Handera's difficulties was not accurate. Unfortunately, it's true - the lack of a color screen has become Handera's Achilles heel.
RE: Corporate Palm already here
With a retail price that is more in line with the slow economy, and if they keep TRG's history of good customer support, I suspect sales will be steady, if not outstanding. This company needs to go back to corporate and medical professionals, who are looking for maximum expansion capability, long-life and a good return on investment. The...ahem, cough cough "game-boy" crowd who want to play liberty on the palm OS and are the main reason for the development of color (no flame - just a statement of my opinion; gamers have been moving the bar higher in both the PC and Palm world) should not be looking at this palmtop - it's geared for a different user.
Tucson Sailors
Handera mistakes
Corporations are also now looking at color PDAs, so it's deceptive to try to minimize the importance of color by claiming it's only for "gamers".
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My math is better than theirs
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