Legend Pam 168 Now Available in China

It's actually 240x320, I updated the article.

Same resolution as the Handera .... hmmm, could THIS have been the elusive Handera 330 replacment??

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"Same resolution as the Handera .... hmmm, could THIS have been the elusive Handera 330 replacment??"

I doubt it. It's not nearly ugly enough to be produced by Handera...

If this was for sale right now in the U.S. and priced between $200 and $300, i'd snap one up in a heartbeat. It'd be the next best thing to a color Handera 330 and is (IMHO) quit a bit more stylish. Even the buttons look decent-though I would prefer the Zire 71's mini joystick thingie.

I think that there is a profitable niche of the "upper low end" of the market for handhelds running OS 4.x and utilizing the 66mhz Dragonball that has not been fully tapped yet. Imagine if Palm were to release something with specs like this in the m500 formfactor and price it at $200ish. Wow! A lot of folks have no problems buying a new unit that runs a previous generation OS and CPU if for no other reason than to handle legacy programs that have not been updated to be compliant with newer OS's and processors.

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If this was for sale right now in the U.S. and priced between $200 and $300, i'd snap one up in a heartbeat. It'd be the next best thing to a color Handera 330 and is (IMHO) quit a bit more stylish. Even the buttons look decent-though I would prefer the Zire 71's mini joystick thingie.
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Given that my brother often goes to China on university's business, I could ask him to get one, if it has an english interface... B-)))

Actually, much of Chinese software, so I hear it, is optimized for a 240x320 resolution. 160x160 isn't enough to display the Chinese characters, and they may not have wanted to go as expensive as 320x480.

Legend is going to be a Chinese-only OEM, so it's definitely not a replacement to the HandEra. At least HandEra would've gone with HVGA to keep up with the times instead of QVGA like Legend.

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At 240x320, do they have "automatic" scaling (from 160x160->240x240) like Handera does?

> do they have "automatic" scaling (from
> 160x160->240x240) like Handera does?

Assuming it is using the now-standard Palm OS methods, the short answer should be yes.

The long answer is that there might be some slight differences in the displayed result because the implementation/APIs are slightly different. Just from what I've read and heard, there are differences in the way they defaulted handling off screen bitmaps (and there's probably some other minor differences other than just the API). Such that legacy apps looked better on the 330, but caused a few apps to not work (in contrast to the Palm OS method where those few apps would be compatible but more apps would look worse than on the 330). Hard to know without comparing.

Huh? It's charging! What's wrong with showing that?

Yes, the picture shows the battery in a charging mode.

Someone help me out here. How is 320 X 240 big enough to have a virutal grafitti area?
I thought standard was 320 X 320 & virtual needed 320 X 480.
I so want a 320 X 480 with virtual grafitti in a non clam shell style.
& that tungsten c with wifi makes me want wifi.
hopefully sony comes out with both
maybe i just want too much & should just buy a small laptop :)

oops wrong section
this was supposed to be in the screen topic
sorry

What are you CRAZY!?!?!?

I'm all "charged up" about this.

I'm "shocked".

Must be having a "power" trip.

hehe :)

"Someone help me out here. How is 320 X 240 big enough to have a virutal grafitti area?
I thought standard was 320 X 320 & virtual needed 320 X 480."

Apps are displayed in a 240x240 square area, with the graffiti area in the lower 80x240 portion of the 240x320. Depending on the API used, apps aware of how to use the graffiti area can use the full 240x320 area when the graffiti area is minimized.

Generally bitmaps are either scaled 1.5x from their 160x160 versions to the 240x240 size, or an alternate set of bitmaps made for 240x240 are selected (either by the app or the OS, depending on the API their screen uses).

Likely the form objects are automatically redrawn to the 240x240 size.

PalmOS allows many screen resolutions. 240x320 first arrived on PalmOS 2 years ago via the HandEra 330, however there are other non-320x480 variants on PalmOS as well, with varying degrees of 3rd party app support.

160x192, 160x240, 176x240, 560x160

Back to the "battery status" thing... ;-)

Thanks for the info. I have an old steam powered (I'm kidding!, I know it's not steam powered... it uses gerbils) Palm IIIxe, which is obviously not provided with rechargable batteries.

The only time I have ever seen that "battery/lightning bolt" icon on my machine is now and then when I place it in my Rand McNally GPS sled which lives in the car.

Sometimes (maybe 1 in 30) I get that icon. I remove the palm and replace it in the sled and all is well. As there is no connection from the +V in pin on the IIIxe to the batteries I didn't consider that this was the "charging" icon. I assumed that it was telling me to change the batteries NOW, because there was a short or something.

Now I know. Thanks for the info!

coop

Scratch that. I didn't read closely enough. It runs on OS4.1/66mhz SuperVZ. Blech! No thanks.

Yup.

With Bluetooth and preferable a 320x480 Screen (and possibly the Zire71 5-way stick), then add me to the distro list as well.

presently using m105 - waiting for Garmin iQue3600 with Bluetooth

Every new PDA is closer to the "perfect" PDA, which differs from user to user. Some weird combo of the Tungsten T, Zire 71, and Garmin device makes for my perfect PDA.

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Fammy

I say the T|T D-pad (T|T size, not T|W or T|C) instead of the Zire 71's mini-joystick... but that's just my take.

With some redesign/upgrading, this looks like the upgrade some of us are waiting for: The guts of a T|T in a
Palm V-like form factor with virtual graffiti.

Wow, you're right. i hadn't thought about it but 168 does sound very nice. I dont speak cantonese, but mandrin is relatively similar. really do like the sound of the number.

For those who don't speak chinese, the pinyin is bai liu ba. or, the way most americans phonetically say things its more similar to by leo bah.

Good name choice, although i must admit im not fond of using numbers at all. (thus imo, tungsten c sounds color than zire 71. no number naming nonsense)

Anyhew, in terms of # choice, 168 is a good one for the chinese market
-Pepper

I love my Palm . . . do you?

but it will go 4444 nonetheless. (did you see that? 4x4,4+4)

ok there is something morbid about all this numerology.

Oh my God! Pepper and BlueAnon are Chinese! Right you two: Loyalty Oaths! Then the SARS scan...

According to Bosco I am an Indian who likes anime. Actually I am kim chi eating Mexican. (dang it's getting kinda hard to keep track on all my alternate ego.)

To Pepper

Since we are talking about mandrin, how the heck can you say 168 as "bai liu ba" ??

168 should be something like YI LU BA.

168 = yi lu fa

For those that may be wondering
"but it will go 4444 nonetheless"

In Chinese "4" sounds like "death"

So, "but it will go . . . . nonetheless"

Agricola

Did you read the article? It's for China, not the US.

And this PDA should be about the size as the Sony N760c, the PDA it looks exactly like.

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I just reread it. 2.9 inches wide, .5 inches thick, and 4.4 ounces. Oh yeah, that's morbidly bulky. That's TINY.

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That price -- in american dollars -- is pathetic. Exactly as the first member mentioned, there are better more powerful and with more utility than this one for just a TAD more... LAME

Current PDA: Palm Tungsten|T
First PDA: PEG-NR70V

Comments: Great form factor, but for not much more I could have an NX with value-added features out the WAZOO.... damn cumbersome layout!

The 0.5" dimension makes the 168 one of the thinnest color models running PalmOS. That must be why the price is so high for an OS 4.x model. Is the battery life mentioned anywhere?