Jeff Hawkins Authors New Book, On Intelligence

Aw man, you stinker.

You got to that line before I could! :D

I will not personally be upgrading to the T5 as i have a z71 and like having a camera.

That being said, there has been way too much unjustified criticism of Palm's latest Handheld on this forum, IMHO.

Assuming that it's in fact true that the T5 truly DOES NOT LOSE DATA under any circumstance, I can assure you that for MOST business users, such a feature is FAR more valuable than a voice recorder, WIFI, or a metal case.

Moreover, a BETTER voice recorder than the one included in any handheld can be had for about $50, WIFI is available as an option, but total data protection IS NOT available on any PDA that I know of, Palm or otherwise.

I am a geek like most of you here, but I work with a LOT of non-geeks who have PDAs which they use infrequently.

I can honestly tell you that in the years I've been working in the IT field side-by-side with non-computer types, I've NEVER heard a user complain about a PDA not having WIFI. I've NEVER heard a user complain about the material hte body of hte PDA is made of, I've never heard a user complain about lack of a voice recorder.

But I've heard several times users go crazy because the "FUC###G THING LOST MY DATA"

It may turn out that the T5 only keeps the data in the internal SD card safe, which would be a shame. But if that's not the case, and EVERYTHING on the handheld will survive a hard reset, or complete power drainage, then this feature is HUGE

IN THE REAL WORLD, of course.

Alessandro

I heartily support the above comment. The T5 may not be a "wonder" device, but I do feel it's one the average user will really like. I covers the amount of RAM issue well, 256MB christ you should all be happy, it retains it's memory after a power off, now we can all throw away those pesty mobile charges and stop living in fear of our batteries draining.

As for Wifi and BT, I truely believe that most PDA users have no need for it. But if you do, this device can have it added through the slot.

All in all, this is the best handheld they have ever produced IMO. It will sell well just as soon as they ease up on the price.

OB

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Any device can have one more useful feature added.

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Ou Boet, I think you are confused. The objections to this unit come from those, like me, who own a T3, on which it is but a small improvement (if indeed it is any at all). Not losing data is a matter of backup (I have used BackupBuddy VFS for quite some time now), not lost battery power: I have a lot of files on my T3, but the backup weighs in at only ca. 20meg (which is not much on my 512meg card). I backup every day (and sometimes more). I can't believe that you carry around a portable charger. I use Bluetooth a lot (with my Nokia 6820). As for the "average user" he/she will not spend $400. And, unlike you, I don't think this unit will sell well (though a cheaper T3 will, I am sure). Philippe Radley

>>Well, then you probably weren't talking to a user who paid $400 bucks for a high-end pda then!!! These features are almost default features in other handhelds in this price range on other platforms. That is the basica problem with the T5...PalmOne is trying to explain this by saying the T5 was designed to fullfill a "specific solution" and not just add features, but this is a weak arguement for such an expensive pda. What kind of rationalization is this? Oh, most users don't really need a voice recoder, so lets just omit it...an oh yeah, since they don't need a vibrating alarm, so lets take that out too. What next, do they want to remove the audio-out b/c most users use iPods instead of pdas to listen to music? It seems more like they want to shave features just so they can squeeze more profit from users who no longer have a choice...one fo the worst consequences of Sony leaving the market imo.

If PalmOne was to sell the T5 (i.e, TE2) for $300 bucks max, then alot of people here wouldn't be complaining imo, but instead they're price this as a high end device and thus gouging they loyal user base...<<

Ok, let me prefix this by making VERY CLEAR that I'm also a little guy who regardless of my income spends his hard earned money every time he upgrades a PDA, and therefore has HUGE demands on the feature set of a prospective PDA.

That being said... i own a ZIRE71.

Palm made it very clear that Zire is for consumers, Tungsten is for Business.

Now, you can feel free to buy a Tungsten as a consumer, but you cannot expect Palm's marketing policies to *make sense* from a consumer stand point for a product targeted at business.

The first thing you need to forget about is that difference between $400 and $300. It's TOTALLY IMMATERIAL.

If my IT department decides that one PDA is better than another for any reason, $100 is NOT going to stand in the way of the purchase. So if your argument is that at $300 it would be ok... read on.

Now, look at this AGAIN from a business perspective.

You have an executive dude who has his schedule on his Palm, and meeting notes.

He also plays a game or two every once in a while.

It's 3:30 pm, he's playing PengoQuickoLocoGame when his Tungsten T3 Crashes, causing a Hard reset.

Oh wait... his beautiful, metal cased, voice recorder equipped, sliding T3... yeah... it crashes causing a Hard Reset. And don't even try to tell me tat doesn't happen.

one hour later he has a presentation that he needed his data for.

Go ahead and tell him that $100 more than what YOU would pay for a T5 is NOT worht having the PDA restart and have all his data there.

Bleh!

As far as "standard feature on other PDAs" show me ANY other PDA that keeps ALL IT'S MEMORY SAFE.

Alessandro

My thoughts exactly. Although maybe it needs time to skim the top, ie those who are willing to pay more for new, hardcovers?

The reason's simple:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

the VisorMiser
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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. -- Sir Winston Churchill

Junk,

You are so right there. While Jeff is going off on his own pet projets, he did not hand off the "Hawkins Way" of simplicity and features that he is able to mix so well in products like the Treo. The T5 screams "Productized by Committee" where not a single master stroke exists. I honestly think more time was put into PowerPoint presentations than engineering hours to get this product out the door.

The T5 is up there with the mundane early 90s Mac's that didn't go anywhere but a spurt of sales that fizzeled quickly that didn't build any groundswell support.

And as for your book Jeff, it is interested but I think you will learn more about how the mind works from the works of Budda and St. John of the Cross than looking at the latest output from an electron microscope, nuclear magnetic resonance scanner or superconducting brain scanner.

The mind is not of the material universe and is in fact outside of the limited jurisdiction of Science. When you realize you are more than an electrochemical reaction, then you will start to make some progress.

Get your facts right!

Palm Computing was bought by US Robotics which in turn was bought by 3Com in 1997. In fact the reason why Hawkins left Palm was because of 3Com's meddling. He wanted Palm to be spun off from US Robotics before the deal. Ironically after Jeff left, Palm Inc finally spun off from 3Com in 2000.

Palm SG (hardware part) finally acquired Handspring last year to form palmOne.

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