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Treo 700wx Released on Sprint

Sprint Palm Treo 700wxPalm has launched the Treo 700wx on the Sprint Network. The 700wx is a EV-DO capable smartphone powered by Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC Phone Edition. The 700wx is now available for purchase at Sprint retail locations beginning around $499 depending on available discounts, online availability is expected later this week.

The Palm Treo 700wx combines a mobile phone with high-speed wireless data access to email and business applications. Aside from a darker shade of grey color, the 700wx is identical to the 700w in appearance. It also features much of the same software and Palm Treo specific enhancements on top of Windows Mobile. The 700wx has been given a significant upgrade in free operating memory. It features twice the available program RAM, with a total of 48 MB free after a reset. For a detailed image of the memory differences, view this image.

Palm Treo 700wxWindows Mobile Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP) comes preloaded, which includes Direct Push Technology, native S/MIME support, certificate-based authentication to all Exchange data, and remote and local device wipe, is available out-of-the-box giving smartphone users fast, automatic wireless updates of their email, calendar items, contacts and tasks. The Treo 700wx smartphone offers mobile professionals streamlined access to Good Mobile Messaging through an intuitive Get Good application icon, allowing easy over-the-air provisioning. The solution delivers real-time access to push-based email, calendar items, contacts, notes and tasks. It also supports Good Mobile Defense for robust security and fleet management, as well as Good Mobile Intranet, giving users access to web-enabled enterprise systems, including sales force automation (SFA), customer relationship management (CRM) and corporate intranets.

The Treo 700wx has a EV-DO capable wireless data connection for broadband like download data speeds averaging up to 400-700 kbps on the Sprint Power Vision Network. The Treo 700wx also incorporates built-in dial-up networking (DUN) capabilities via a USB connection on Windows.

Treo 700wx Features:

  • 312 MHz Intel XScale processor
  • 240x240 pixel TFT screen
  • 128MB of memory and 60MB of dedicated user storage
  • 1.3-megapixel digital camera for images and videos
  • Integrated Bluetooth 1.2 wireless technology Expansion card slot (SD, SDIO, and MultiMediaCard compatible)
  • Size/weight: 4.4" x 2.3" x 0.9" (111 mm x 58 mm x 22.5 mm) / 6.4 ounces (180 g)
  • Removable 1800 mAh battery and non-volatile memory
  • Voice Command for voice dialing
  • Ability to send and receive email from multiple corporate and personal email accounts, with built-in support for Microsoft Office Outlook Mobile, Hotmail, Yahoo!, AOL, and other POP3 and IMAP accounts
  • On-device access to Microsoft Office Word Mobile, Office Excel Mobile and Office PowerPoint Mobile for viewing, editing and creating Word and Excel Mobile documents, as well as viewing PowerPoint Mobile presentations. In addition, with Picsel PDF viewer
  • Unified messaging application, including email, SMS and MMS

“Palm’s goal is to give our customers more choices to satisfy the growing demands of the mobile work force,” said Tim Roper, vice president, U.S. region, for Palm, Inc. “The Palm user experience combined with ready access to Microsoft’s as well as Good Technology’s world-class email solutions gives mobile professionals a true competitive edge and helps to extend Palm’s reach into the enterprise market.”

The Palm Treo 700wx smartphone from Sprint is available now at Sprint Stores, Sprint business channels and online starting at $499.99 after available discounts and promotions.

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I'm confused - or si PALM?

SeldomVisitor @ 9/3/2006 5:58:46 AM # Q
I look at THIS page:

-- http://www.palm.com/us/products/compare/index.html

at this time on Sunday morning and...uh...where's the beef?

Ands didn;t I read on some other thread here that there WAS beef?

RE: I'm confused - or is PALM?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/3/2006 9:02:04 AM # Q
In case that page changes between now and whenever, here're a couple lines from the comparison table and the accompanying note at the bottom of the table (in order: 700p, 700wx, 700w, 650):

memory/storage 2 128MB 128MB 128MB 32MB
processor 312MHz Intel® 312MHz Intel® 312MH Intel® 312MHz Intel®

...

2 Actual memory/storage capacity available to user is 128MB (60MB user accessible), 128MB (60MB user accessible), 128MB (60MB user accessible), and 32MB (23 MB User accessible) respectively

RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
whydidnt @ 9/3/2006 10:30:05 AM # Q
It's just Palm's retarded way of reporting memory on WM devices -- They refuse to advertise the amount of included RAM, only disclosing the ROM. The Treo 700w only had 32 MB of RAM, but the 700wx has 64 (at least reported by early adopters) which should help performance and stability greatly.

WM uses ROM for storage - like your Hard Drive on the desktop, and RAM for program Execution - also like your desktop. Palm tried to be cute with the original 700w and never posted that it was a memory deprived 32 MB of RAM. I imagine they don't see any reason to call attention to that bit of trickery now.

RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/3/2006 11:01:24 AM # Q
$200 for that?

RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
LiveFaith @ 9/3/2006 6:11:29 PM # Q
What is wrong with these people down at Palm? Are they hell bent on crippling every single device with too little RAM until they are swallowed up by people that are willing to spend the $.12 extra and just put enough in at the beginning? This has happened time and time and time and time again and they are still clueless. Another 32MB RAM on the phone would not even register as a blip on the component cost register, yet they keep trying to sell their flagships with as little as possible.

These kinds of additions don't even take innovation, deep thinking, or superior vision. It's obvious!!! Ford and Chevy are in a heap of financial trouble these days, but they've not made this same idiotic mistake over and over like Palm. This is akin to putting a 4 cylinder in 1-ton duel wheel pickup in order to keep the cost down.

These repeated stupid memory and WiFi decisions are about to solidify my thinking that this company is waaaaay out of it's league concerning innovation or just basic engineering and design outside the "bean counters rule".

As sad as I am to say it, eight years after being wowed by the "zen" of the Palm IIIe, I'm about to give up. I wonder if Sprint rejected the W from the beginning and demanded a worthy product that required a $600 pricetag? Absolutely bewildering!

Pat Horne

RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
freakout @ 9/4/2006 6:22:27 AM # Q
Someone refresh my memory, but Palm makes only 6c in every dollar, right? Sounds rather dire, really. Maybe the few cents it would cost for extra RAM really would hurt them badly.

Or maybe it would actually boost their sales and thus, their profits. But maybe that's a chance they're too afraid to take..

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
retrospooty @ 9/5/2006 1:57:59 PM # Q
"What is wrong with these people down at Palm? Are they hell bent on crippling every single device with too little RAM until they are swallowed up by people that are willing to spend the $.12 extra and just put enough in at the beginning?"

totally agreed, although its probably more like $1 for the extra memory when bought in such hig quantities. Its rediculous how they deal with memory. Wifi, I understand. Its not that big of a deal, but memory is cheap as hell and everyone needs it


RE: I'm confused - or si PALM?
e_tellurian @ 9/5/2006 5:59:27 PM # Q
Does your life drive have a removable precision made micro drive?

If we are going to offer customers the choice to store their we-com data on their mobile device, securely, a removable micro drive made with watch precision quality would be a good choice.

Cost is an issue, like the lady with the manicured nails, at times cost is dependent on purpose.

E-T

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Other notable changes?

hkklife @ 9/3/2006 11:53:19 AM # Q
I haven't been following the wx rumors all that much.

Does it have threaded SMS like the 700p?

Any other improvements/OS updates/bugfixes from the 700w?

Does the telephone side of things seem to be the same as the 700w? I seem to recall reading somewhere that early reports had the voice quality/reception/phone interface improved considerably from the 700w. Any truth to this (Surur etc)?

I wonder what the likelihood of ever seeing a POS Treo hardware refresh would be? Right now we need a 700P ROM update more than anything else!


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RE: Other notable changes?
AdamaDBrown @ 9/3/2006 12:39:17 PM # Q
I haven't played with one, but as I understand it, it does not have threaded SMS.

RE: Other notable changes?
Surur @ 9/3/2006 2:49:19 PM # Q
Interestingly Palm's PDF STILL talks about threaded SMS and SprintTV, whereas there is no sign of this anywhere.

http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo700w/pdf/datasheet_Treo700wx.pdf

Also the device still runs AKU 2.2, so the one-handed improvements in AKU 2.3 arnt in there (e.g. navigating to all mail sub folders one-handed).

The increased RAM does really help multi-tasking however, and the device is now fast and snappy (the way its supposed to be).

Surur

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RE: Other notable changes?
Ryan @ 9/3/2006 4:04:43 PM # Q
I've only had it for 2 days now, but I can confirm it does not have threaded SMS (just the std MS client) and there is no Sprint TV either.

The memory makes a huge difference in speed it seems. The only other change I noticed from the 700w is it has small icons to activate speakerphone and mute on the call dialogue.

I still had the thing crash on me twice due to program errors (once in IE another time in the mail program) and I haven't installed any 3rd party stuff.

RE: Other notable changes?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/3/2006 4:19:48 PM # Q
> I've only had it for 2 days now...I still had the thing crash on
> me twice due to program errors (once in IE another time in the
> mail program) and I haven't installed any 3rd party stuff.

Gack!

RE: Other notable changes?
hkklife @ 9/3/2006 6:07:57 PM # Q
Will a Treo EVER be released that's stable out of the box, regardless of OS??

Palm needs to seriously hire a few more techs and get to work patching the entire lineup. Every current Treo has at least a handful of bugs that range from aggravating to nearly show-stopping. The TX & T|E2 still need some attention but that's likely to never occur.

If Palm has this much trouble supporting FrankenGarnet and WinMob (and working closely with M$ at that!) how on Earth will they manage their own homebrewed Linux solution? Wait a minute, maybe they won't...

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Other notable changes?
LiveFaith @ 9/3/2006 6:23:49 PM # Q
HKK,

These guys aren't going to develop any Linux OS on their own. They are sucking wind trying to decide if anyone might need WiFi on their phones or not. Their smartfones are as stable as a banana republic govenment, their ALWAYS underpowered and memory crippled. I still think somebody in charge down their thinks that they have a monoply in PIM apps and that alone will keep them in business.

Think about it! A $600 smartfone from VZW with no WiFi (not even 802.11B) and only 32MB of program memory in the year 2006!

I seriously wonder if management is not stealing the last of the golden eggs before trying to dump the Palm carcass on some tech company that is actually serious about market leadership.

Pat Horne

RE: Other notable changes?
hkklife @ 9/3/2006 6:52:36 PM # Q
In spring 2003 the T|C was released. It had 64mb SDRAM, a 400mhz CPU, a 320*320 screen, wi-fi, and a 1400mAh battery. It had a microphone, charge LED, and vibrating alarm.

In the fall of 2006 the Treo 700P was released. It has 60mb available program memory, a 312mhz CPU, a tiny 320*320 screen, cellular EVDO radio + Bluetooth 1.2, and a 1800mAh battery. It has a microphone, charge LED, and vibrating alarm.

The T|C cost $400 at launch. The 700P costs $600 unsubsidized/full retail from Verizon. We're not seeing actual advancements from Palm as much as we are seeing continuous retreads and rehasings of old PDA technology across the Treo line with questionable moves like lesser capacity batteries, mini-SD slots, and the removal of the IR port along the way.

Palm could SO easily hit a huge home run with something like an EVDO'd version of Pat's 800g (with the requisite licensed fro Xerox Graffiti 1 plugin of course) using components they've been using for years on their PDAs.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Other notable changes? Speed?
twrock @ 9/5/2006 10:15:29 PM # Q
Surur said: The increased RAM does really help multi-tasking however, and the device is now fast and snappy (the way its supposed to be).

About a year ago I asked you to honestly tell me if my experience with a seemingly very slow HTC Universal was indicative of the OS (WinMob). You agreed at that time that WinMob was slower than an equivalent POS machine would be. But, I'd still like to ask the same question now that the 700wx is here.

My TX still feels quick to me, paticularly when I want to access PIM data (still the most important function of my PDA). With the equivalent power under the hood, how slow is WinMob vs. POS? How does this new Treo compare with the 700P when it comes to just getting things done?

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

RE: Other notable changes?
hkklife @ 9/5/2006 10:25:53 PM # Q
Ron;

Have you ever used a 700P personally? It's right behind the LifeDrive in LLL-AAAA-GGG. It's almost bad enough to be a deal breaker, especially when switching from PDA apps to the phone mode (not turning the radio on & off but just pushing the phone hard button to make a call).

If the 700P isn't patched SOON I may give up the smartphone experiment and go back to a TX + RAZR combo. That particular combo should give me another 18 to 24 months and then I'll be able to see what ALP & WinMob are up to and make the major transition.

NOTHING will ever beat the blinding speed of the T|C. It was so fast it was like it anticipated my thoughts. App switching and loading was instantaneous on the dear old C. The T3 wasn't bad either.

I've spent some time with a 700W (Verizon) and I can honestly say that a "fresh" 700P is much, much snappier than the W. But add a handful of apps and a few messages to the 700P (basically, get its free memory below 60mb or so) and the 700W seems faster as long it's not multitasking. So the 700w is slower on average but the 700P gets really laggy (even laggier than a multitasking 700W) once you start doing anything with it short of using it as a basic phone.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

Do you TRUST you Treo 700p???
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 9/5/2006 11:11:03 PM # Q
Ron;

Have you ever used a 700P personally? It's right behind the LifeDrive in LLL-AAAA-GGG. It's almost bad enough to be a deal breaker, especially when switching from PDA apps to the phone mode (not turning the radio on & off but just pushing the phone hard button to make a call).

If the 700P isn't patched SOON I may give up the smartphone experiment and go back to a TX + RAZR combo. That particular combo should give me another 18 to 24 months and then I'll be able to see what ALP & WinMob are up to and make the major transition.

NOTHING will ever beat the blinding speed of the T|C. It was so fast it was like it anticipated my thoughts. App switching and loading was instantaneous on the dear old C. The T3 wasn't bad either.

I've spent some time with a 700W (Verizon) and I can honestly say that a "fresh" 700P is much, much snappier than the W. But add a handful of apps and a few messages to the 700P (basically, get its free memory below 60mb or so) and the 700W seems faster as long it's not multitasking. So the 700w is slower on average but the 700P gets really laggy (even laggier than a multitasking 700W) once you start doing anything with it short of using it as a basic phone.


hkklife, how is your Treo 700p in terms of stability? Mine is BY FAR the most unstable PalmOS device I've ever used. I routinely see it turning on by itself, hard resetting, draining the battery overnight, etc. Unbelievable. In my 10 years of using PalmOS devices I've never come across such an unreliable hunk of junk. Also the voice quality remains substandard compared to regular cellphones (voices sound "tinny" and "hollow"). I agree with you about the lagginess of the Treo 700p - a $600 smartphone purchased in late 2006 has NO EXCUSE to be so slow. Still, used as a modem (with USB Modem or PdaNet) the Treo 700p seems to work fine. I had decided to give Palm another chance with the Treo 700p, but this is the last time. The company obviously doesn't give a sh1te about its customers - I'll be looking elsewhere for a replacement when my Treo Brick breaks.

TVoR

RE: Other notable changes?
twrock @ 9/6/2006 8:19:12 AM # Q
I can honestly say that a "fresh" 700P is much, much snappier than the W. But add a handful of apps and a few messages to the 700P (basically, get its free memory below 60mb or so) and the 700W seems faster as long it's not multitasking. So the 700w is slower on average but the 700P gets really laggy (even laggier than a multitasking 700W) once you start doing anything with it short of using it as a basic phone.

Hmm..., obviously I don't understand how the memory is being used by the OS. I can understand things really slowing down in a multi-tasking environment based on how many apps are open, but I don't get why that would be the case with the how POS uses memory. Oh well, I never claimed to be a computer geek.

Maybe I should give up on all of these "improvements" and just go back to my IIIxe.

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

RE: Other notable changes?
freakout @ 9/6/2006 8:30:42 AM # Q
Maybe I should be glad we didn't get the 700p down under. Oh well. My 650 has now been alive and kicking for over one-and-half years now with virtually no issues at all. It's been dropped more times than I can remember and apart from a few nicks and scratches it's as reliable as it was out of the box.

The only problem I've ever had was a few months ago, when the phone started turning itself off for no reason. Palm support were quick to identify it as a wobbly SIM tray, and offered me two solutions: they'd mail me a replacement tray with a slightly thicker bottom, or I could just use a piece of sticky tape. I chose the sticky tape. Worked like a charm. :)

Any 650 upgraders care to chime in? How has the 700p fared now you've had time to bed it in?

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

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WinMob Momentum Building

Gekko @ 9/3/2006 12:51:23 PM # Q

Soon, there will be no more PDAs, and no more Palm OS.

Soon, you will ALL be using WinMob Treos - and LIKE IT!



RE: WinMob Momentum Building
joad @ 9/4/2006 1:16:25 AM # Q
"Soon, you will ALL be using WinMob Treos - and LIKE IT!"

Ummm... your hand must have jerked on the keyboard Gekko.. I think you meant:

Soon, you will ALL be using WinMob Treos.

RE: WinMob Momentum Building
scstraus2 @ 9/5/2006 1:15:04 PM # Q
More like,

Soon we will all ditch palm once and for all and go buy nokias and motorolas.

It will be a cold day in hell before I combine Palm's shitty hardware with Microsoft's shitty OS.

Palm can die a fiery death if they don't give me a device based on a new PalmOS with 3g, wifi, etc. If someone else does this, I'll be happy to buy from them, but

I WILL NEVER BUY A WINMOB TREO! EVER!

RE: WinMob Momentum Building
twrock @ 9/6/2006 8:26:09 AM # Q
Yeah, if I'm going to drop my Palm OS PDA, I'm not interested in a Treo either. I'll be looking for an alternative as well.

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.
RE: WinMob Momentum Building
Gekko @ 9/6/2006 8:42:28 AM # Q
>nokias and motorolas.

doubtful. these are garbage. stop being so stubborn with your anti-MSFT zeal and hate. they are not the enemy. your spite only ends up hurting you as you waste time, money, and resources on closed, proprietary hardware/software one vendor solutions from the above. risk your data being stranded on that proprietary island?

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WinMob 6.0

Gekko @ 9/3/2006 12:55:12 PM # Q

Right now as we speak, behind the scenes, Palm, Inc. is helping MSFT create WinMob 6.0 - making it easier, friendlier, more intuitive. WinMob 6.0 will be a collaboration. WinMob is the future, children. Accept it. Embrace it. Love it.



RE: WinMob 6.0
freakout @ 9/4/2006 6:14:13 AM # Q
Oh, puh-lease.

Personally, I think Linux will eventually win out because it's free. Which variant of it, though, is anyone's guess...

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: WinMob 6.0
just_little_me @ 9/5/2006 2:14:15 AM # Q
Free... yes, maybe... if your time is worth nothing...


JLM.

RE: WinMob 6.0
Gekko @ 9/6/2006 8:48:29 AM # Q

JLM - nice point.

RE: WinMob 6.0
freakout @ 9/6/2006 8:51:13 AM # Q
Not really. I don't just mean free as in beer, I mean free as in open. If enough companies keep putting resources into Linux development and they adhere to open-source values then eventually it'll be a pretty badass foundation for pretty much anything.

Time will tell, of course. But I don't think the world wants to let MS dominate the phone market the way it did the PC market.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

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Way to go Palm!

grimpeur @ 9/3/2006 3:10:01 PM # Q
Three new CDMA models out in the wild and not a single GSM, just a pre-announcement from Vodafone and some rumours of lowrider / nitro.

Given that CDMA is, oh what, 25-30% of the global cellular market and GSM makes up aout 65-70%. Quite bizarre that there isn't actually a GSM Treo being shipped to the EU at the moment, the 650 being deprecated due to recycling laws.

I want a new Palm OS Treo, I have the cash ready to spend, Palm just don't have the device.

RE: Way to go Palm!
hkklife @ 9/3/2006 3:34:38 PM # Q
Palm's a US company and most cell users in the USA carry CDMA handsets, simple as that.

GSM and POS and at the bottom of Palm's priority list right now. CDMA (Verizon/Sprint) and WinMob are where Palm thinks the $ are.


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Way to go Palm!
Gekko @ 9/3/2006 4:22:35 PM # Q

i hope that the canadians, germans, and french be the LAST in line for all new technology.



RE: Way to go Palm!
grimpeur @ 9/3/2006 6:59:14 PM # Q
Welcome to the global community guys...

RE: Way to go Palm!
LiveFaith @ 9/3/2006 10:56:12 PM # Q
Last in line for 3 year old technology is more like it.

Pat Horne
RE: Way to go Palm!
e_tellurian @ 9/4/2006 12:57:51 AM # Q
The fact that the advanced portion of economies grew slower as a consequence of some major issue may be why we can not afford as many choices. The issue of price and the purpose for one choice would not be an issue if the mentioned issue ... 9/11 wasn't absorbing so much energy/capital.

Advanced economies are building future choices, so how can they be the last in line? These economies will prototype with nations that have risked their thoughts and build further trade with nations that want choices that assure the digital capital circulating in their system is not lost or stolen.. The core of these thought (people) will share in the wealth of their thoughts thereby sharing more with all economies, whether they can choose or afford more advanced choices or not.

E-T



e-tellurian

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RE: Way to go Palm!
joad @ 9/4/2006 1:20:00 AM # Q
awww cr@p... now we gotta blame 9/11 for the dearth of Treo innovation?!? Palm can mess up all by themselves and the last thing we need is them blaming Osama for the 32MB of memory in the Treo 650. Stop it!

RE: Way to go Palm!
e_tellurian @ 9/4/2006 2:31:46 AM # Q
Not the point.

The point is advanced economies spend large quantities on R&D. Issues such as 9/11 can slow down the offering of more choices, hence less cash flow to advanced segments of advanced economies. Combine this with US$222 billion in identity theft issues (stolen capital) you can see why we may be getting down to one choice.

Is one choice a choice or a consequence of the product or lack of capital? Lack of capital tends to find excuses like memory issues.

Fire sale opportunism or real choices? Does this affect the whole PDA, PC, and IT industry in general?

E-T

e-tellurian

Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
WiFi & BT? No strings attached
we_tellurian@canada.com

RE: Way to go Palm!
Gekko @ 9/4/2006 8:02:47 PM # Q

canada and most of europe live off of the goodwill of the American people.



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