Treo 700wx Released on Sprint

memory/storage 2 128MB 128MB 128MB 32MB
processor 312MHz Intel® 312MHz Intel® 312MH Intel® 312MHz Intel®

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2 Actual memory/storage capacity available to user is 128MB (60MB user accessible), 128MB (60MB user accessible), 128MB (60MB user accessible), and 32MB (23 MB User accessible) respectively

WM uses ROM for storage - like your Hard Drive on the desktop, and RAM for program Execution - also like your desktop. Palm tried to be cute with the original 700w and never posted that it was a memory deprived 32 MB of RAM. I imagine they don't see any reason to call attention to that bit of trickery now.

These kinds of additions don't even take innovation, deep thinking, or superior vision. It's obvious!!! Ford and Chevy are in a heap of financial trouble these days, but they've not made this same idiotic mistake over and over like Palm. This is akin to putting a 4 cylinder in 1-ton duel wheel pickup in order to keep the cost down.

These repeated stupid memory and WiFi decisions are about to solidify my thinking that this company is waaaaay out of it's league concerning innovation or just basic engineering and design outside the "bean counters rule".

As sad as I am to say it, eight years after being wowed by the "zen" of the Palm IIIe, I'm about to give up. I wonder if Sprint rejected the W from the beginning and demanded a worthy product that required a $600 pricetag? Absolutely bewildering!

Pat Horne

Or maybe it would actually boost their sales and thus, their profits. But maybe that's a chance they're too afraid to take..

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

totally agreed, although its probably more like $1 for the extra memory when bought in such hig quantities. Its rediculous how they deal with memory. Wifi, I understand. Its not that big of a deal, but memory is cheap as hell and everyone needs it

If we are going to offer customers the choice to store their we-com data on their mobile device, securely, a removable micro drive made with watch precision quality would be a good choice.

Cost is an issue, like the lady with the manicured nails, at times cost is dependent on purpose.

E-T

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http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo700w/pdf/datasheet_Treo700wx.pdf

Also the device still runs AKU 2.2, so the one-handed improvements in AKU 2.3 arnt in there (e.g. navigating to all mail sub folders one-handed).

The increased RAM does really help multi-tasking however, and the device is now fast and snappy (the way its supposed to be).

Surur

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The memory makes a huge difference in speed it seems. The only other change I noticed from the 700w is it has small icons to activate speakerphone and mute on the call dialogue.

I still had the thing crash on me twice due to program errors (once in IE another time in the mail program) and I haven't installed any 3rd party stuff.

Gack!

Palm needs to seriously hire a few more techs and get to work patching the entire lineup. Every current Treo has at least a handful of bugs that range from aggravating to nearly show-stopping. The TX & T|E2 still need some attention but that's likely to never occur.

If Palm has this much trouble supporting FrankenGarnet and WinMob (and working closely with M$ at that!) how on Earth will they manage their own homebrewed Linux solution? Wait a minute, maybe they won't...

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

These guys aren't going to develop any Linux OS on their own. They are sucking wind trying to decide if anyone might need WiFi on their phones or not. Their smartfones are as stable as a banana republic govenment, their ALWAYS underpowered and memory crippled. I still think somebody in charge down their thinks that they have a monoply in PIM apps and that alone will keep them in business.

Think about it! A $600 smartfone from VZW with no WiFi (not even 802.11B) and only 32MB of program memory in the year 2006!

I seriously wonder if management is not stealing the last of the golden eggs before trying to dump the Palm carcass on some tech company that is actually serious about market leadership.

Pat Horne

In the fall of 2006 the Treo 700P was released. It has 60mb available program memory, a 312mhz CPU, a tiny 320*320 screen, cellular EVDO radio + Bluetooth 1.2, and a 1800mAh battery. It has a microphone, charge LED, and vibrating alarm.

The T|C cost $400 at launch. The 700P costs $600 unsubsidized/full retail from Verizon. We're not seeing actual advancements from Palm as much as we are seeing continuous retreads and rehasings of old PDA technology across the Treo line with questionable moves like lesser capacity batteries, mini-SD slots, and the removal of the IR port along the way.

Palm could SO easily hit a huge home run with something like an EVDO'd version of Pat's 800g (with the requisite licensed fro Xerox Graffiti 1 plugin of course) using components they've been using for years on their PDAs.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

About a year ago I asked you to honestly tell me if my experience with a seemingly very slow HTC Universal was indicative of the OS (WinMob). You agreed at that time that WinMob was slower than an equivalent POS machine would be. But, I'd still like to ask the same question now that the 700wx is here.

My TX still feels quick to me, paticularly when I want to access PIM data (still the most important function of my PDA). With the equivalent power under the hood, how slow is WinMob vs. POS? How does this new Treo compare with the 700P when it comes to just getting things done?

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

Have you ever used a 700P personally? It's right behind the LifeDrive in LLL-AAAA-GGG. It's almost bad enough to be a deal breaker, especially when switching from PDA apps to the phone mode (not turning the radio on & off but just pushing the phone hard button to make a call).

If the 700P isn't patched SOON I may give up the smartphone experiment and go back to a TX + RAZR combo. That particular combo should give me another 18 to 24 months and then I'll be able to see what ALP & WinMob are up to and make the major transition.

NOTHING will ever beat the blinding speed of the T|C. It was so fast it was like it anticipated my thoughts. App switching and loading was instantaneous on the dear old C. The T3 wasn't bad either.

I've spent some time with a 700W (Verizon) and I can honestly say that a "fresh" 700P is much, much snappier than the W. But add a handful of apps and a few messages to the 700P (basically, get its free memory below 60mb or so) and the 700W seems faster as long it's not multitasking. So the 700w is slower on average but the 700P gets really laggy (even laggier than a multitasking 700W) once you start doing anything with it short of using it as a basic phone.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

I've spent some time with a 700W (Verizon) and I can honestly say that a "fresh" 700P is much, much snappier than the W. But add a handful of apps and a few messages to the 700P (basically, get its free memory below 60mb or so) and the 700W seems faster as long it's not multitasking. So the 700w is slower on average but the 700P gets really laggy (even laggier than a multitasking 700W) once you start doing anything with it short of using it as a basic phone.

hkklife, how is your Treo 700p in terms of stability? Mine is BY FAR the most unstable PalmOS device I've ever used. I routinely see it turning on by itself, hard resetting, draining the battery overnight, etc. Unbelievable. In my 10 years of using PalmOS devices I've never come across such an unreliable hunk of junk. Also the voice quality remains substandard compared to regular cellphones (voices sound "tinny" and "hollow"). I agree with you about the lagginess of the Treo 700p - a $600 smartphone purchased in late 2006 has NO EXCUSE to be so slow. Still, used as a modem (with USB Modem or PdaNet) the Treo 700p seems to work fine. I had decided to give Palm another chance with the Treo 700p, but this is the last time. The company obviously doesn't give a sh1te about its customers - I'll be looking elsewhere for a replacement when my Treo Brick breaks.

TVoR

Hmm..., obviously I don't understand how the memory is being used by the OS. I can understand things really slowing down in a multi-tasking environment based on how many apps are open, but I don't get why that would be the case with the how POS uses memory. Oh well, I never claimed to be a computer geek.

Maybe I should give up on all of these "improvements" and just go back to my IIIxe.

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

The only problem I've ever had was a few months ago, when the phone started turning itself off for no reason. Palm support were quick to identify it as a wobbly SIM tray, and offered me two solutions: they'd mail me a replacement tray with a slightly thicker bottom, or I could just use a piece of sticky tape. I chose the sticky tape. Worked like a charm. :)

Any 650 upgraders care to chime in? How has the 700p fared now you've had time to bed it in?

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

Ummm... your hand must have jerked on the keyboard Gekko.. I think you meant:

Soon, you will ALL be using WinMob Treos.

Soon we will all ditch palm once and for all and go buy nokias and motorolas.

It will be a cold day in hell before I combine Palm's shitty hardware with Microsoft's shitty OS.

Palm can die a fiery death if they don't give me a device based on a new PalmOS with 3g, wifi, etc. If someone else does this, I'll be happy to buy from them, but

I WILL NEVER BUY A WINMOB TREO! EVER!

doubtful. these are garbage. stop being so stubborn with your anti-MSFT zeal and hate. they are not the enemy. your spite only ends up hurting you as you waste time, money, and resources on closed, proprietary hardware/software one vendor solutions from the above. risk your data being stranded on that proprietary island?

Personally, I think Linux will eventually win out because it's free. Which variant of it, though, is anyone's guess...

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

JLM.

Time will tell, of course. But I don't think the world wants to let MS dominate the phone market the way it did the PC market.

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

GSM and POS and at the bottom of Palm's priority list right now. CDMA (Verizon/Sprint) and WinMob are where Palm thinks the $ are.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

i hope that the canadians, germans, and french be the LAST in line for all new technology.

Advanced economies are building future choices, so how can they be the last in line? These economies will prototype with nations that have risked their thoughts and build further trade with nations that want choices that assure the digital capital circulating in their system is not lost or stolen.. The core of these thought (people) will share in the wealth of their thoughts thereby sharing more with all economies, whether they can choose or afford more advanced choices or not.

E-T

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The point is advanced economies spend large quantities on R&D. Issues such as 9/11 can slow down the offering of more choices, hence less cash flow to advanced segments of advanced economies. Combine this with US$222 billion in identity theft issues (stolen capital) you can see why we may be getting down to one choice.

Is one choice a choice or a consequence of the product or lack of capital? Lack of capital tends to find excuses like memory issues.

Fire sale opportunism or real choices? Does this affect the whole PDA, PC, and IT industry in general?

E-T

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