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Vodafone Treo 750v Launch Sept 27th?

Rumor: As an update to our previous 750v pre-order story, Vodafone has updated the order page with new information. The page now states:

Pre-orders available on new connections only. Upgrades will be available from launch on the 27th September through your local retail store, or business advisor team.

The site also now lists a Sept 27th launch date on the features tab as well. Previous rumors placed the announcement date as Sept 12th, based on a Reuters article with a quote from an unnamed Palm spokeswoman. PalmAddicts is also reporting that the Dutch Vodafone site has posted a teaser page for the new Treo indicating more info will be released on Sept 18th.

Thanks to Andrew Tunis for the tip.

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Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?

SeldomVisitor @ 9/8/2006 6:24:08 AM # Q
The massive postings here since the article was made sure show the enthusiasm, eh?

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
cervezas @ 9/8/2006 8:45:35 AM # Q
Well, what do you expect? It's an announcement of something that was pre-announced and there's no additional information about the phone.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Surur @ 9/8/2006 9:14:02 AM # Q

Actually the level of enthusiasm to Palm WM devices are pretty low. People get excited when they still think the new device may be POS, but when they find its WM no-one cares about it any more.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Foo Fighter @ 9/8/2006 9:30:43 AM # Q
>> "but when they find its WM no-one cares about it any more."

Largely because Palm is so bad at developing Windows Mobile devices, thus far. Look at what they offer compared to a sea of better WM options: tiny square 240x240 display, no WiFi, bulky design, limited RAM. Not to mention they are charging a fortune for a product barely worth half its list price. Yeah, I can see why no one cares.

If I were in the market for a WM PPC phone right now it would probably be something along the lines of the HTC TyTn, or the new HTC line unveiled yesterday. After reading the possitively glowing reviews of the HTC S620 (Excalibur), and seeing leaked photos, I may just snatch one up.

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RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Surur @ 9/8/2006 9:48:27 AM # Q
I was making this comment yesterday that Palm is a hardware company, yet 80% of their staff are software engineers. This was spun as a good thing, but clearly if they had more hardware engineers they could have lost their antennas faster and slimmed down a lot too. If Palm was better at hardware they could have made an Excalibur or Q for themselves.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/8/2006 9:56:40 AM # Q
PALM outsources just about everything including hardware engineering. They say (in their most recent 10K (annual report))

== "...Our products are initially conceived, designed, developed
== and implemented through the collaboration of our internal
== engineering, marketing and supply chain organizations..."

but then go on to say:

== "...Once a product concept is initiated and approved, we
== create a multi-disciplinary team to complete the design of the
== product and transition it into manufacturing. We often utilize
== Original Design and Manufacturers, or ODMs, to design, develop
== and manufacture our products, after we have internally
== completed product definition. All of our hardware is developed
== and manufactured by a limited number of ODMs..."

and:

== "...We outsource most of our hardware design to third party
== manufacturers, some of whom, such as HTC, compete with us..."

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
freakout @ 9/8/2006 11:16:23 AM # Q
"Actually the level of enthusiasm to Palm WM devices are pretty low. People get excited when they still think the new device may be POS, but when they find its WM no-one cares about it any more."

If Palm/MS could just correct a few simple design flaws in WM I'd be much more willing to try a WM device. But as it stands WM makes you jump through more hoops than POS to get things done, and I don't want to have to jump through hoops on my phone.

One unalterable (http://tinyurl.com/jw2hl) problem is the 240 x 240 resolution. If Treos retain their current form factor in future models then the PalmOS equivalent will always have a higher screen resolution. Since the (Palm) Treo's most attractive feature is its bright, beautiful, busty(?), high-res screen, this is a significant downside.

I like the additions Palm's made to WM on the Treo but they haven't gone far enough. (Also, no uber-SMS client? bah.)

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Surur @ 9/8/2006 12:52:10 PM # Q
If Treos retain their current form factor in future models then the PalmOS equivalent will always have a higher screen resolution.

Always is a long time. 160x160=Palm low res. 240x240=WM Low res. 320x320 is Palm high res 480x480 is WM high res.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
craigdts @ 9/8/2006 1:43:55 PM # Q
"I was making this comment yesterday that Palm is a hardware company, yet 80% of their staff are software engineers. This was spun as a good thing, but clearly if they had more hardware engineers they could have lost their antennas faster and slimmed down a lot too. If Palm was better at hardware they could have made an Excalibur or Q for themselves.
Surur"

Right, the fact that they are at about 80% tells you they are developing a new OS. Imagine if they stop development on the new OS and cut staffing . . . with their brand name they could compete against any WM manufacturer. As a matter of fact, they did it against sony and many others in the Palm OS world. They can do it again here.

But I think they will continue down the dual OS road. I'm betting that the low rider will be the last Garnet treo. Next year we will be looking at a new Palm OS treo.

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
cervezas @ 9/8/2006 3:49:50 PM # Q
craigdts wrote:
I'm betting that the low rider will be the last Garnet treo. Next year we will be looking at a new Palm OS treo.

My magic 8 ball says "It is decidedly so" on both points.


David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
SeldomVisitor @ 9/8/2006 4:10:34 PM # Q
Mine simply said "Cannot predict now".

-- http://www.mattelgamefinder.com/demos.asp?demo=mb

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
e_tellurian @ 9/8/2006 5:19:26 PM # Q
Next move?

Here is a thought. With or without any more distractions we can build with more purpose.

Some nations must recover US$222,000,000,000 and CAN$250,000,000. Why this happened is as important as not having this happen again. Now we can either choose to spend money on why (politics/law) or how to enhance these $ (innovation).

The focus should be on building choices so this cannot happen again. These kinds of issues put people on the street. Frankly some are getting more energized by the issue of hard work vs. productivity than others. Those that judge people by watching their actions need to be in the pit with the people they are watching so we can get more done. Watching (apathy) is what caused these issues in the first place, so let's watch less and do more.

Watching people shovel dirt is a waist of time. If we have people watching others work then we have more issues and hence more purpose to let those that can do and those that watch, watch at home with the latest technology purchased with their hard work, not others.

My tax and investment $ do not go towards games, that is for sport, people’s lively hood is not a sport. Building requires all thoughts if we are to include or exclude thoughts then this is how it is done $.

In a civil society we honour our word.

E-T

E-T

e-tellurian

Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
WiFi & BT? No strings attached
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RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 9/8/2006 8:47:46 PM # Q


"Better not to tell you now"
RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
twrock @ 9/9/2006 6:53:13 AM # Q
If I were in the market for a WM PPC phone right now....

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=3316

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Foo Fighter @ 9/9/2006 9:11:01 AM # Q
I've read about this device, and I agree it looks fantastic. But the killer for me is that it doesn't include 3G or EDGE support, from what I understand.

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RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Gekko @ 9/9/2006 9:41:00 AM # Q

Palm CEO Calls 3G Systems "Overhyped"
February 22, 2001

Palm Chief Executive Officer Carl Yankowski declared that "3G is overhyped," and expressed his belief that rather than investing in new systems that would deliver between 384 to 2000 kilobits per second, carriers should be investing in upgrades to allow systems to carry 250 kilobits per second, a speed he believes would provide ample access to e-mail and websurfing.

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
twrock @ 9/9/2006 9:45:56 AM # Q
Unfortunately, I think you are right. Supposedly the battery life is pretty bad too. But, if I were really going to make the switch from two devices to one WinMob smartphone, that is the form-factor as well as most of the specs I'd be looking for. The current Treos are not what I would want, WM or POS.

I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.
RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Foo Fighter @ 9/9/2006 9:47:13 AM # Q
>> "...and expressed his belief that rather than investing in new systems that would deliver between 384 to 2000 kilobits per second, carriers should be investing in..."

Gold threaded business suits.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

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RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
hkklife @ 9/9/2006 9:58:27 AM # Q
Next year? No, I'd say early to mid '08 for a "new Palm OS" device, IF EVER.

Palm really may try to milk another year out of FrankenGarnet. They'll probably just try to shoehorn the 700P/Wx into the 750V's antenna-less formfactor and buy some more time with that. I could definitely see a Treo 750P for Verizon & Sprint sometime around May/June '07.

They can even tweak the GSM Nitro one more (NitroX) with the usual incremental RAM/camera/BT/OS updates.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Gekko @ 9/10/2006 8:34:44 AM # Q

Interesting article -


DESIGN SLUMP. Still, the Treo's design hasn't substantially changed since it was introduced three years ago—close to an eternity in the fad-driven cell-phone business.

Analysts correctly predicted Palm would quickly lose market share as consumers flocked to slimmer designs like the Q and Motorola's hit Razr phone over the bulky Treo. "The big question around the Treo is when will it get a design refresh?" says analyst Cliff Raskind at Strategy Analytics.

Palm Chief Executive Officer Ed Colligan is promising the wait won't be long. "We will soon address the market dynamics responsible for our first-quarter revenue shortfall with two major new product launches, one that improves our pricing position and both which extend our carrier relationships throughout the global markets," Colligan said in a statement.

NEW MODELS. Will the new products be enough, though? Numerous Web sites have shown pictures of a new Treo 750 using the Windows operating system that appears to merely do away with the vestigial antenna, but which retains the same overall Treo shape. It initially will be sold by Vodafone (VOD ) in Europe, but likely will become available this fall to customers of Cingular Wireless, the joint venture between AT&T (T ) and BellSouth (BLS ).

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/sep2006/tc20060908_222115.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_technology

RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Gekko @ 9/10/2006 8:38:07 AM # Q

"In another room, a few executives watched Carl Yankowski's interview on CNBC, taping it for playback at the employee meeting that was to commence in minutes. After CNBC announcers gushed over "the most talked-about IPO," the camera cut to Carl Yankowski in the Nasdaq studio. Usually a compelling public speaker, Yankowski seemed out of his element. When asked about larger screens for palmtops, he answered stiffly, "We are well positioned whichever way the market goes." As the interview came to a close, the reporter said, "I've got to ask you about your suit." Yankowski smiled. He was wearing a very special suit, he let on, designed to satisfy the public's high expectations from Palm's IPO. The shiny pinstripes woven into the otherwise standard wool suit were made from threads of pure gold. CNBC cut back to the studio anchor. "Was that for real?" he asked the correspondent. The Palm managers assembled around the TV set looked at each other. "We're not showing this video," one of the executives decreed. Then they walked out to start the employee meeting." - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471089656/



RE: Well - THAT was a Ho Hum, wasn't it!?
Gekko @ 9/10/2006 3:44:11 PM # Q

Review: Helio Kickflip
Is it worth the hype?

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/3905



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September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...

SeldomVisitor @ 9/11/2006 2:09:42 PM # Q
...what's in a date, anyway?

Perhaps that now should be September 27th, October 2nd...
SeldomVisitor @ 9/12/2006 9:41:19 AM # Q
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RE: September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...
Ryan @ 9/12/2006 10:18:57 AM # Q
indeed, so much for reuters rumor track record.
RE: September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...
SeldomVisitor @ 9/12/2006 11:30:26 AM # Q
Well, they released a PR-fluff mid-day today but it ambiguously says:

== "...The new Treo 750v will be available first to Vodafone
== customers in the following countries: Austria, France, Germany,
== Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, the UK and
== other regions by the end of the calendar year..."

so I'm not really sure how to read that availability!

Anyone got a clue?

RE: September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...
cervezas @ 9/12/2006 11:36:45 AM # Q
Don't know about the device release date, but the press release says the 750v has the threaded SMS client after all. I haven't been following that closely, but weren't people saying that wasn't going to be the case?

http://www.palm.com/us/company/pr/news_feed_story.epl?reqid=904364

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...
Ryan @ 9/12/2006 11:44:19 AM # Q
RE: September 12th,, September 27th, October 2nd...
AdamaDBrown @ 9/12/2006 11:57:02 AM # Q
I haven't been following that closely, but weren't people saying that wasn't going to be the case?

I think that the main thrust of that issue has been that the 700wx on Sprint doesn't have threaded SMS.

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