palmOne Releases Tungsten T3 Update

No. It only fixes what is mentioned. You still need to use the AppSlipRotate and StatusBarLib patches to allow some of the applications written to the PalmSource VG standard to work. Couldn't they have integrated that in too? Wouldn't have been that tough.

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"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by candlelight." - George Gobol.

Yes, the update does contain those two files, as did the original ROM image; however they are still the old (14/Aug/03) versions of the files, so you will still need the updated (5/Oct/03) versions in RAM.

One place is here...

http://www.red-mercury.com/t3.html

Looks like Palm's customers will get screwed again. Palm is being very clever about not accepting any responsibility for this whole debacle.

Has anyone yet got Palm to reimburse them for their barbecued SD cards? ANYONE? The "Go ask SanDisk" line Palm's been giving out may be good enough for the obedient sheep here that still worship people like the late Carl "Shiftchanger" Yankowski, Eric "Two-Face" Benhamou, David "Lefty" Nagel, and Todd "Tommy-Gun" Bradley. More intelligent people will be avoiding Palm pruducts until quality control issues are finally addressed by Palm.

Rushing crap out to be sold to unsuspecting customers and using these victims as virtual beta testers should not be an acceptable business practice. Something's rotten in the state of Milpitas.

Hippocartes, what don't you spare your useless comments? If you like PPC, fine. But this is a Palm forum (I know it is an incredible relevation), and no one is interested in your Palm bashing.

Thank you for your kind understanding.

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4266.html

Is this for real or more vaporware? This would make the T3 a lot more useful. And that new Tapwave device (with dual SD slots and a great screen) could be a mini-laptop for the Starbucks generation.

Wonder if Bluetooth will soon follow?

$400 Tapwave with 128 MB RAM, $150 Wi-Fi card + $99 Bluetooth card = finally competition for the CLIE UX series.

Actually, Hippocrates makes a valid point.
I had been a loyal Palm user for five years before I got my first T3. I've since gone through three others and now have an iPaq myself.
I'm not going to bash Palm, because I think their other hardware is fine.
I honestly wish my Tungsten T hadn't failed requiring a replacement anyway. That little machine is sorely missed, but after four T3s in less than a month, I simply had to draw the line.
I just feel dirty that I had to cross to the dark side, but so far, I am actually pleased with my decision.
Obviously, not EVERY T3 is fraught with problems, as evidenced by those owners who think the complainers are nuts, but I can assure you that the good units appear to be the minority, at least in Seattle.

I use a T3. Why isn't it listed??

I would wait a little longer. What if PalmOne release a wi-fi + bluetooth built-in Tungsten T4.

I don'tkow if HP can make it in such small form factor at h4155 why can't PalOne make it. Like I said rather wait instead of feeling sorry around Christmas time.

Good Luck!

Free 802.11 No More Wires!!!
Support your local WAN!

get a T3, the WiFi SDIO and a battery sled. You'll need one anyway when you try WiFi on a handheld. Or... wait for the T4 which may have dual SD slots...

Battery sled (Power To Go) is $53 online, and I don't know how much the SD wi-fi is going for, but it does stack up to be a pretty expensive soution... at least $600 when you add everything up. It would be more convient to go with a device with wi-fi built in, unless the wi-fi is just for ocassional use. At least the battery sled would give you more runtime than the extended battery for the new Toshiba. Just be aware that the T3 flip cover needs to be removed to attach and use the sled, and it act more like a portable charger than an extended battery. You Still, being able to go 30 days of normal use without AC is a kick. That is without wi-fi and based on the standard "30 minutes per day" use: if you want wireless on all that time then you can knock those times in half.

The easiest way to use the Power To Go in that situation (constant use) is to start with the Palm and sled charged, use the Palm until it gets low (5 or 6 hours runtime) then clip the sled on and keep going. When the sled gets low, the Palm will be on its own again, but will have a full charge. I've not had mine long enough for a torture test burn down yet, but I get two full charges out of the sled, on top of the total runtime from the Palm's initial charge. One charge lasts me between 5 and 6.5 hours, so you just multiply that times 3...

>>>That's an awfully damn expensive solution, don't you think?

To say nothing of the bloody huge size!! It'd make it like a Classic iPaq with sleeve!

Anybody know if a T3 ordered today will have the fix?

Mr T @ 11/7/2003 2:16:28 AM

Took you long enough, PalmOne. I hope this fixes the issue once and for all

"I pity the fool that buys a T3! I pity you! Fool!"

- The REAL Mr. T, Palm afficionado. November 8, 2003.

Has any one tried this wireless solution? ould add WiFi, battery and a case for 169.00.

http://www.enfora.com

SJ30 > T|T3

Although I do not have the T3, so fortunately no wasted SD cards.

I agree with you totally. From a user point of view, users have been using the SD card in the T3 as normal usage, and the T3 obviously rendered it unusable.

Palm1 should be held responsible for frying these SD cards and replace all of them.

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PDAs rule the world !

"b. From the posts I have read, Sandisk and the like are replacing dead SD cards with no fight or problems -- only a slow turnaround time. For all we know, they have a prior arrangement with Palm on how to address this."

Care to explain how or where?
I contacted SanDisk directly and their attitude was "thanks for buying two cards. sucks they don't work now."
If there is a procedure for getting them replaced, I'd love to know what it is.

I use a T3. Why isn't it listed??

The translation of this seems to be "We don't really know what caused the problem, or if we do, we aren't going to admit that we screwed up and have to reimburse you for the SD cards. We're putting out this fix without knowing whether it really works to have you field-test it; if it doesn't work, we'll try again."

Hmm, you don't seem to be too inteligent. If they don't really know what caused, the problem, how can they fix it? And why do you think it doesn't really work? Have you tried it? And why would they not test it? You are a very odd person.

As a T3 owner, I was hoping for a more clear-cut explanation of what was wrong and a more definitive statement that it was fixed now. My recommendation to prospective T3 buyers: wait until Palm does something more definitive, or just buy a Sony instead.

If Palm gave you a clear cut explanation of the problem, chances are, uless you are a programmer, you would not understand a bit. Stop being naive or go somewhere else.

The fact that Sandisk are now replacing corrupt cards says a lot (in my mind). If the problem had been entirely with the T3, would Sandisk be replacing their cards? Wouldn't they be telling us to take it up with Palm?

I get the impression that, although Palm did have a slight problem, it shouldn't have corrupted any cards and perhaps these cards did not meet their required tolerable level to avoid them burning up. In other words, Palm's problem may have caused cards to become corrupt, but perhaps those cards that were completely destroyed simply were not up to standard.

Hmm, you don't seem to be too inteligent.

I'm a programmer. I know software.

If they don't really know what caused, the problem, how can they fix it?

They may not have fixed it, which is my point. They may have identified the general area in which the problem occurs, adjusted some timings, and perhaps reduced the problem.

And why do you think it doesn't really work?

Because Palm hasn't us given us any evidence that they (1) understand the problem and (2) have tested their fix enough to make sure that it is actually fixing the problem.

Have you tried it?

No. My T3 has developed other hardware problems as well and I can't try anything with it.

And why would they not test it?

Well, whatever testing procedures they are using, the first bug slipped through, right? These are intermittent problems that probably involve subtle timing and hardware issues. They simply may not have the resources to test it enough to make sure the problem is gone. Hence, my suggestion that they may be throwing out a fix and then waiting for more reports from the field.

It's the way this industry works. Microsoft does a lot of their testing that way as well.

You are a very odd person.

Yes, people who know software actually may seem odd to people like you.

If Palm gave you a clear cut explanation of the problem, chances are, uless you are a programmer, you would not understand a bit.

I am a programmer. I would understand it. And programmers like me can then communicate to people like you whether (1) Palm actually knows what they are doing, and (2) whether their fix will work. That's why it is important for companies to be open and clear about technical problems even if only a small fraction of their user community understands what they are saying, because that fraction can evaluate it and pass on their impressions and analysis to the rest of the user community.

The fact that Palm hasn't been clear about what is wrong and how they fixed it raises big suspicions that they still don't know what is really going on and are just trying different hacks. And that was my point.