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Palm NovaRecently the question of what to call Palm's next generation OS has been a source of confusion and commotion around the boards here at PIC. Members have so far been referring to it by a multitude of names and acronyms such as: Palm OS 2, POS II, POX, Palm's Palm OS, ALPOS, Palm's next-generation linux based operating system and even Palm OS Mobile Professional Ultimate Treo edition. So the need to have a single, proper way to refer to the new OS is crucial. Fortunately, PalmInfocenter has recently learned of the code-name being used around Palm Inc. from a reliable source.

The internal code name for Palm's next generation OS is Nova. The current release schedule being discussed by Palm management is to announce and get Nova out to developers in some form later this calendar year. I've heard reports from inside the company that Nova is presently being demoed and tested internally on an unreleased future Palm device code-named Zeppelin.

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NOVa

BaalthazaaR @ 1/10/2008 12:32:08 PM # Q
yeah I like that New Os Vapor or NOVa.
RE: NOVa
LiveFaith @ 1/10/2008 5:48:54 PM # Q
Just ask GM. Nova in French means "Won't Go".

Why am I getting ready for a headline like this? ...


3/7/09
by Wall Street Journal

"Franklin Announces Buyout of Palm Incorporated"
Today, Franklin Inc., makers of calculators and electronic dictionaries etc, announces a buyout of struggling handheld computing poineer Palm Inc.

Dean Gilberry, President and CEO stated that the Palm OS based organizer should bolster Franklin's bubble pack retail electronics in the future. In the full press release, he stated that shareholders should be happy about getting a company with a strong past retail presence and name recognition for only $.65 per share.

Beleagured Palm, has had dwindling sales of lackluster smartphones and organizers for the past 5 years now. Lack of competitive innovation and last years failure to deliver it's new operating system doomed the company. Palm is rumored to have shopped new Treo and Centro smartphones to national and international carriers, who rejected them en mass. Functionality, stability, and incompatibility of it's Linux based OS have been passed around for months now. As a result, aready weakened Palm shares have plummeted in recent months. ...


... sure hope I'm wrong. :-
Pat Horne

RE: NOVa
LiveFaith @ 1/10/2008 6:33:23 PM # Q
Or Italian, or Spanish.

Pat Horne
RE: NOVa
2xs @ 1/11/2008 2:02:54 AM # Q
not so far away from no-way! :D

Palm Professional -> Palm III -> Palm Vx -> Palm m505 -> Palm TT2 -> Palm TT3 -> Palm TX -> Treo680
RE: NOVa
smiley1081 @ 1/11/2008 4:03:13 AM # Q
> Just ask GM. Nova in French means "Won't Go".

Uhm, not in the french I know.

Or Italian.

Or Spanish.

RE: NOVa
JackG @ 1/11/2008 12:10:51 PM # Q
The "incorrect" part of this newsbulletin, is the failure of the Centro. Sprint has been selling them like hotcakes, according to everything I've read and heard, they can't keep the red in stock, and with the forthcoming pink they've already got users lined up to buy. The GSM version is soon to be released, and these will hold Palm over until they can get the Nova out the door, at least IMO.

RE: NOVa
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 12:19:24 PM # Q
Except for the chance of a pink Centro suggesting sales are sufficient to risk a large order of nonBlack Centros, we have no overt evidence of anything w.r.t. the Centro and its sales.

Would be nice, huh, to get that info right from PALM?

RE: NOVa
hkklife @ 1/11/2008 1:44:18 PM # Q
I think it's safe to say that the Centro has been a bigger seller in its first few months on the markett than the 755p was, if due in no other reason to generally positive buzz and low pricing (with strings attached initially, of course).

I've yet to see a red Centro in person, actually. I also noticed that the Verizon 755p is now down to $250 after MIR (online pricing). That's a pretty reasonable price, especially for Verizon. And the 755p is actually retailing (pre-rebate) on vzw.com for $50 LESS than the ancient 700p/700wx. Of course, a Treo diehard could argue about the 700p's handful of superior features (reset button, slightly larger keys, fullsize SDHC slot, higher capacity battery) but I think 99% of the market would prefer the newer, sleeker, snappier 755p.

With the combination of Verizon's general distrust of Palm OS products & the new 755p being so (relatively) affordable, I highly doubt we'll ever see the Centro offered for Verizon.

I also think we'll see the launch of the unlocked GSM Centro in a few months be the beginning of the EOL period for Palm's final standalone PDAs, as Colligan & Co. will claim in an interview that smartphone pricing now rivals PDAs while offering much more functionality.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: NOVa
JackG @ 1/11/2008 4:50:35 PM # Q
Yes, SeldomVisitor, numbes from Palm sure would be great. I'm rooting for them, because I'm a long time user, as well as a believer that competition means good things for us, the consumer.

And hkklife, the red is getting rare as they've sold out, but my wife has the red. It's pretty sharp, and I'd be okay with having that color, but since she already does black does better for me.

RE: NOVa
Aylons @ 1/13/2008 9:50:48 AM # Q
"nova" , in portuguese, means "new" (feminine gender).

AyloNs Hazzud
RE: NOVa
BaalthazaaR @ 1/20/2008 12:38:22 AM # Q
I blame this on a lack of sobreity. But nova is a four letter word. Maybe it is intended as such. :-D
RE: NOVa
nastebu @ 1/28/2008 1:45:33 AM # Q
"no va" in Spanish means "it doesn't go." Any Spanish speaker would read "nova" as meaning the galaxy, the same way as in English. There's a famous marketing story about how the Chevy Nova didn't sell in Latin America because of the name, but that story, according to Snopes.com, is quite false.

:-)


RE: NOVa
nastebu @ 1/28/2008 1:47:05 AM # Q
*punishes himself for not reading the rest of the thread before posting*

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Nova.....like a chevy?

hgoldner @ 1/10/2008 12:33:16 PM # Q
Hopefully they won't experience the same market reaction which the Chevy Nova met with in Central America, where 'no va' means 'it doesn't go.'

Harold

RE: Nova.....like a chevy?
Poopie @ 1/10/2008 1:35:42 PM # Q
I heard this story too, did some research, and it appears that naming the product "No Go" in Spanish actually didn't impact the product sales in Spanish speaking companies:

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

At least they didn't name it "Nova 4" - that would mean "No go (Spanish) death (Chinese)"


USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone

RE: Nova.....like a chevy?
lobotomic @ 1/10/2008 2:57:32 PM # Q
As a native Spanish speaker, I find the "Nova" == "No va" == "No Go" relation so extremely lame that I cannot believe it may have influenced market reaction in the slightest measure. To any Spanish speaker, whether he or she ever heard of exploding stars, "Nova" sounds almost like "Nueva" which means "New" and is in fact exactly the same latin word, only slightly distorted through the centuries.

That's unlike, I have to say, the "Mitsubishi Pajero", which in Spain sounds so incredibly rude, they had to change the name here to "Mitsubishi Montero". And, believe me, we're no sissies that recoil at the use of strong language or gratuitous nudity even in public TV, but a car called "Mitsubishi Wanker" is just too much.

RE: Nova.....like a chevy?
robera @ 1/10/2008 3:22:02 PM # Q
Here in Brazil the name "Nova" means "New". So it is good around here.
Also the name "Centro" means "Center" here :)

RE: Nova.....like a chevy?
LiveFaith @ 1/10/2008 9:48:27 PM # Q
I was thinkin' more along the lines of "Glacier".

Pat Horne
RE: Nova.....like a chevy?
hoodoo @ 1/11/2008 10:41:29 AM # Q
ah yes...while we're on the topic of marketing disasters (potential ones at least)...

The Buick LaCrosse is sold in Canada as the Allure, because it was discovered that "LaCrosse" is slang in Quebecois French for masturbation...

at least this one was caught beforehand (if the Nova legend is true), and should avoid becoming part of the urban myth fabric.

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Nova, huh?

SeldomVisitor @ 1/10/2008 12:41:35 PM # Q
Like a brilliant star exploding into so much space debris.

RE: Nova, huh?
freakout @ 1/11/2008 1:58:47 AM # Q
^^ And unleashing a shockwave that annihilates everything in its path. :P
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Zeppelin, huh?

SeldomVisitor @ 1/10/2008 12:43:09 PM # Q
> ...tested internally on an unreleased future Palm device code-named Zeppelin...

Yes, like that rather famous one that...you know...crashed and burned?

RE: Zeppelin, huh?
reidme @ 1/10/2008 1:40:55 PM # Q
It will likely go over like a Led balloon.

RE: Zeppelin, huh?
KDSer @ 1/10/2008 10:19:29 PM # Q
tested on Zeppelin???

RE: Zeppelin, huh?
purplerain @ 1/15/2008 12:47:42 AM # Q
palm codenames its windows mobile devices after classic rockers. the original one was codenamed hendrix

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Zeppelin

Poopie @ 1/10/2008 2:04:17 PM # Q
< blockquote>...future Palm device code-named Zeppelin

Look at the Zeppelin wikipedia page and see how many times crash, die, and fail are mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin

fave:

The steampunk genre of science fiction has adopted the zeppelin as something of a mascot. They are representative of general steampunk themes with their grand scale, Victorian aesthetics, and failure to be put into common use.

Colligan: Resign!

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Booo Hisss

OrionNE @ 1/10/2008 2:06:07 PM # Q
Now this sounds good.

A "NO GO" Operating System on a Crash and Burn Device.

I feel really good about Palm now...



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For all those making fun of the Nova name...

jeffhoward001 @ 1/10/2008 4:19:49 PM # Q
I hope you all have high paying jobs, and very rewarding hobbies... Otherwise, one would be tempted to think you DON'T HAVE A LIFE when you spend your time making fun of project names.

Go make some money, or do something interesting... I'm sure you're already a waste of space in real life, so do the virtual world a favor, and stop transcending your waste of space onto the poor helpless internet.

Hey look! I can post clever puns on internet forums too! Ya for me...

(Just to separate myself from the interweb trash, this is roughly my 3rd post on PIC since July... I only save my posting for thoughtful replies, and the occasional flaming of internet-*&ckwads)

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_1981_141427


Tungsten T --> Palm TX --> Foleo-mini??(like an LD-II with a small attached keyboard??)

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
mikecane @ 1/10/2008 4:25:22 PM # Q
>>>Ya for me...

Um, that would be Yay or Yeah.

No high-paying job you have, see we.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
mikecane @ 1/10/2008 4:26:16 PM # Q
>>>I only save my posting for thoughtful replies

And this one you'll blame on a transient aneurysm, maybe?

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/10/2008 4:26:48 PM # Q
He probably came up with the "NOVA" internal name for POS 2.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
jeffhoward001 @ 1/10/2008 4:30:17 PM # Q
Hey, you've gotta rumble with the rif-raf every once and a while to remember who you really are ;-)

Tungsten T --> Palm TX --> Foleo-mini??(like an LD-II with a small attached keyboard??)
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
freakout @ 1/10/2008 7:25:22 PM # Q
Making fun of Nova? Stupid. Totally agreed. I think it sounds kinda cool. Novas are awesomely cool, powerful natural phenomena - basically a star exploding after being mugged by another star. (Treo vs. iPhone? :P Shutup fanboys, I'm joking.)

Making fun of Zeppelin? Not stupid. When you hear the word 'zeppelin', what's the first thing you think? Me, I think "Hindenburg", quickly followed by "crash", "burn", "flaming wreck", "tragedy", "death" and George Costanza yelling "That's gotta hurt!" at a movie theater... surely someone at Palm thought of that too?

Oh well. Shakespeare said it best: "A rose by any other name..."

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
dkirker @ 1/10/2008 10:08:10 PM # Q
Am I the only one who's first thought is "Led Zeppelin" when "Zeppelin" is mentioned? I don't even listen to that genre of music.

Now, if I recall, they are pretty well known group.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
sungod @ 1/11/2008 3:54:19 AM # Q
I don't know why your all getting so worked up over a code name.
Do you really think M$ was ever going to stick with the name Longhorn instead of Vista?
GM calls there development center Skunkworks.
The only Code name I know of that has made it to final release is Bluetooth.

Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 6:26:03 AM # Q
We are having fun with the PALM internal names because we have nothing else to have fun.

No info == no fun!

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
BaalthazaaR @ 1/11/2008 9:44:18 AM # Q
Do you really think M$ was ever going to stick with the name Longhorn instead of Vista?
GM calls there development center Skunkworks.

1) Longhorn never survived. They hacked off big chunks and made it Shorthorn which they released.
2) I believe that Lockheed's development center is called skunkworks.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
CFreymarc @ 1/11/2008 2:06:33 PM # Q
You are so right here. I swear that over half of the people posting here at doing it alternating between the break room of Best Buy and their parent's basements. A retail floor slob does not make an expert of "the market."

I don't know how many times I have walked the floor with a few fellow Palm-folk listening to the floor dweebs. We wonder how much of their talk is their opinion and how much of it is a line they practiced as instructed by their floor manager. While I have to say, yes, 2007 wasn't the best year for Palm, it was not its worst.

I agree with the one that started this post. Most of you need to go back to school, get your degree, move out of your parent's basements and start dating. Then when you have a life beyond a video games and porn, your opinion may be worth something.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 2:24:25 PM # Q
Nice first post!

Giggle.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
twrock @ 1/11/2008 8:26:28 PM # Q
Nice first post!

Looks like the inane blathering in the news forum has gotten sufficiently obnoxious to even draw the lurkers out in disgust. They've got a point.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
freakout @ 1/11/2008 8:41:48 PM # Q
I swear that over half of the people posting here at doing it alternating between the break room of Best Buy and their parent's basements.

Welcome to the Internet!

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
sungod @ 1/12/2008 11:57:20 PM # Q
Man people who get to stuck up on semantics annoy me.

BaalthazaaR
My general point was that code names mean nothing.
But since you started it....

"1) Longhorn never survived. They hacked off big chunks and made it Shorthorn which they released."

M$ may well have riped the guts out of Longhorn in development in order to get it out the door before XP turned 10.
That doesn't change the fact that they were never going to go with the name Longhorn.
In development XP was named after a cow and the next version of Windows has the code name... of a cow(sorry but I can't remember what cows they are).

"2) I believe that Lockheed's development center is called skunkworks."

That may well be true but GM Holden has a development center in my home state of Victoria, Australia named Skunkworks.
Such "American mussle" as the new Chevy Camaro, fetured in the Transformers movie as Bumble Bee and the Pontiac G8(the boat just left last month in case your a V8 fan) are holy developed and built in OZ for export to the US.

If you still don't believe me rent Transformers and watch the extra features the director mentions going to Skunkworks in preproduction to find Bumble Bee but he claims he can't say where it is(that gave my brother and I a bit of a laugh because every car lover in OZ knows Skunkworks is here).
Saying that I can't guarantee that same interview is going to be on the DVDs sold in your country.



Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
sungod @ 1/13/2008 12:14:55 AM # Q
CFreymarc

"I swear that over half of the people posting here at doing it alternating between the break room of Best Buy and their parent's basements."

I take offense to that I happen to work retail IT and I pride myself on keeping up to date so as to best inform my customers.
When my 1 month new manager cam up to me and told me I had to start referring more people to Brother ink jets instead of our other brands because we make a better GP I told him where he could stick his Brother printers we get more back faulty than all other brands combined.

Not all of us tow the company line.

Oh and No I don't work for commission.

Make your second post when you have learned to create an opinion that isn't based on genralisations and stereotypes.

Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
CFreymarc @ 1/14/2008 6:47:41 PM # Q
Sungod, I think the timestamp of your post (the middle of a Saturday night) speaks more than anything that you said in that post.

Go out and get a life boy before you become some grumpy old man bitching in chat groups in your one bedroom apartment after you chose not to show up at your high school reunion!

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
freakout @ 1/14/2008 7:26:02 PM # Q
I think the timestamp of your post (the middle of a Saturday night)

Psssssst! Different time zone.

And yes, congratulations, you've discovered geeks on the Internet. The fact you're taking the time to get involved and mock them implies you're not exactly dealing with a packed social schedule yourself, mate. Are you going to click over to Slashdot now and berate everyone there too?

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
CFreymarc @ 1/15/2008 4:37:15 PM # Q
The Slashdot types are hopeless. I'm sure my comments are making a few walk away from their keyboards to improve their social skills.

I don't know what is more pathetic, you bluntly screaming there is a bunch of geeks here that don't get laid or your actions trying to defend the culture. Decades from now, we will see which habits and lifestyle produces a more productive individual.

Enjoy the LAN party this weekend.

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
freakout @ 1/15/2008 5:10:28 PM # Q
Decades from now, we will see which habits and lifestyle produces a more productive individual.

You mean... oh, I don't know... like this guy?

http://tinyurl.com/2t85da

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
Poopie @ 1/15/2008 5:38:12 PM # Q
I'm sure my comments are making a few walk away from their keyboards to improve their social skills.

Enjoy your delusions, CFreymarc

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
CFreymarc @ 1/15/2008 5:41:20 PM # Q
Bill got rich using his family money and political influence to grow Microsoft. If he wasn't born into one of the Pacific northwest's most powerful families, he would still be reminiscing about punch cards. While he markets himself as a geek, he is far from it. Not to mention his wife is hot!
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/15/2008 6:24:45 PM # Q
> Bill got rich using his family money...

True.

I bet some Silicon Gulch Denizens a little closer to THIS site's hearts have similar beginnings...

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
sungod @ 1/22/2008 3:19:43 AM # Q
Sorry I haven't been back to defend my geeky ways.

"Sungod, I think the timestamp of your post (the middle of a Saturday night) speaks more than anything that you said in that post."

Have you ever thought I might have a valid reason to be on the internet at that time?
The internet can be used for things other than forums and hard core porn, or didn't you know that.

Maybe, just maybe, I could have a brother living in england and you may have heard of it a program called Skype it lets you make phone calls for free..... wow ... and guess what with this new fangled Windows, now that it's replaced DOS I can run 2 count them 2 programs at once.

Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)

RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
sungod @ 1/22/2008 3:21:52 AM # Q
PS it's currently 1911 tue 22/jan/2008

Att Palm:
Foleo = Smartphone companion
T|X = Dumbphone companion
If you think a Foleo will sell and a PDA wont you're out of your mind.
SunGod aka Luigi(AusPUG)
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
BaalthazaaR @ 1/22/2008 11:59:10 AM # Q
quit your sledging ;-) How're the cricket games goin?
RE: For all those making fun of the Nova name...
CFreymarc @ 1/30/2008 2:43:50 PM # Q
Boy did this thread hit a nerve. Nerdlings, it is time to turn stop playing World of Warcraft and get a date!
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A year more of nothing

awawa212 @ 1/10/2008 7:50:30 PM # Q
If an OS ships but there's no one around to use it, does it make a difference?

Palm will not have a modern, hopefully robust and multilingual, OS until a year from now? Years, admittedly relatively fat years, were blown before Palm's head bozos realized that maybe the Palm OS is the real problem. While I take some comfort in reading about Google's hiccups with its competing mobile OS, Google's OS is being supported by various firms, whereas Palm's seems to be a go-it-alone effort. Palm might be able to be the Apple of handhelds/smartphones; Palm might be able to resurrect itself, as Apple had done with Steve Jobs' return. But I'm skeptical. Code words' nebulous nature might invite and excite speculation, but they just annoy me. To channel to 1980s, Where's the beef? There's no OS, no

Better yet, paraphrase Nike: Just ship it. Make it available now, as an updatable beta OS (or on replaceable chips), even if it's not perfect. Palm, show me that you're serious about producing something I'd be willing to wait around for a whole year to buy.

I live in Tokyo. Within the last two months, I've begun seeing WinCE (or whatever it is) smartphones advertised on TV and in the subways. Are these smartphone invaders actually selling? I don't know, and competition is surely stiff, since Japanese cell phones do some wonderful things and don't crash (I've _never_ had to reset my Internet- and email-capable DoCoMo cellphone, and it's over 7 years old; it just works). Surely Japan's mobile market is a tough market to crack.

However, I do know that refusing to offer a multilingual OS means all those people who use non-ASCII languages and languages not written with unaccented Roman languages (e.g., all the millions of prosperous and tech-friendly Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, and Chinese), will be highly unlikely to consider a clunky OS that only offers language support through third-party options that can be hard to find (if they exist at all) and, being kludges, bring instability and more.

RE: A year more of nothing
LiveFaith @ 1/10/2008 9:47:14 PM # Q
I don't know about all that. but I've got my fingers crossed that maybe Nova can take on the gargantuan task of handling WiFi. If so, Palm may release a Treo by 2012 with WiFi(b).

Pat Horne
RE: A year more of nothing
BaalthazaaR @ 1/11/2008 9:48:25 AM # Q
If an OS ships but there's no one around to use it, does it make a difference?

Apparently not... Remember Cobalt? Come to think of it, has ALPOS shipped? Is anyone using it?

RE: A year more of nothing
hoodoo @ 1/11/2008 4:08:03 PM # Q
They just need to get rid of copy/paste, search, to-do lists and 3rd party apps to compete with the iPhone.

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I can wait

palmdoc88 @ 1/10/2008 10:53:19 PM # Q
My Treo 680 will do till the Nova devices ship ;)
RE: I can wait
cstamper @ 1/11/2008 11:09:47 AM # Q
We can only hope...
:-)
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So we have a year...

Targon @ 1/10/2008 11:31:35 PM # Q
Feb of 2009 may seem like a long way away for some people, but one year really isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things.

As long as a new high-end Treo-type device is released that includes a GOOD GPS(not like some of the crap out there with no reception) and Wifi, many people will be very happy, as long as the UI doesn't change too much from the current PalmOS.

Too many people shoot down the current(and old) PalmOS, but the UI is still pretty decent. A new OS under the current UI, with some updates should really help Palm. If "native" applications are released quickly enough, it will make for a very successful product as well. If Google Maps, Tomtom, and Garmin all have native versions for the new OS, that should be enough.


RE: So we have a year...
twrock @ 1/11/2008 1:16:14 AM # Q
Too many people shoot down the current(and old) PalmOS, but the UI is still pretty decent.

Good point. Trying to get anything accomplished on my Nokia phone is a chore at best. Generally I've got to drill down through a whole lot of menu levels to get to something I want. I haven't played with a WinMob device in a few years, but I didn't find that UI to be nearly as clean and easy to use as Palms. Gotta say something for the original effort at "click-counting" too. It has paid off well for the "old" Palm OS.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: So we have a year...
jjm @ 1/11/2008 2:51:44 AM # Q
It was certainly too long for me. I've just changed ship and bought an incredibly intuitive and elegant iPod Touch. The UI is years away in terms of functionality, and yes, it's still early years and I miss some elementary items and applications; but I get so much in return that I would change again and would have hoped that Palm had done it, not Apple. The more I use it, the more I'm amazed at how much wisdom Apple has put into the UITable GUI element. Most applications are actually built on this single item. And how easy it is to program native applications in Javascript with Jiggy, rather that painful C/C++. Yes, the world has moved, but someone else has moved it.
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Palm OS Nova

VampireLestat @ 1/11/2008 12:19:06 AM # Q
I like it.

Now.. is it PALM NOVA, or PALM OS NOVA.

by the way, in French, No Va means almost nothing to the far stretched negative interpretation posted here.
"no" is English and "va" is the verb "to go" Present 3rd person.


Even more important... WILL ZEPPELIN USE OLED!?

RE: Palm OS Nova
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 6:44:41 PM # Q
What is the expected lifetime of an OLED display (would "lifetime" be expressed in terms like "reduced emission"?)?
RE: Palm OS Nova
mikecane @ 1/11/2008 6:45:50 PM # Q
The screen may be OLED, but that doesn't mean there's anything on it worth seeing, Gekko.

RE: Palm OS Nova
Gekko @ 1/11/2008 7:09:25 PM # Q

i don't watch 99% of the garbage that's on TV.

dumb sitcoms, bad movies, boring sports, crap reality TV. it's almost all garbage.

RE: Palm OS Nova
hkklife @ 1/11/2008 7:26:39 PM # Q
Gekko, did you ever get that 42"-46" 1080p flat panel TV we talked about a while back? Just wondering...

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RE: Palm OS Nova
Gekko @ 1/11/2008 7:43:47 PM # Q
RE: Palm OS Nova
SeldomVisitor @ 1/12/2008 7:27:08 AM # Q
Might I suggest Crutchfield if you're in the states?

-- http://tinyurl.com/2yq87n

[I am simply a satisfied customer of theirs]

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Phoenix

theog @ 1/11/2008 4:28:07 AM # Q
After that disaster called Palm OS 6 maybe Phoenix would have been a better name.



Vote for John Kerry... best man for the job.

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Reminds me of the Oxygen code name...

WareW01f @ 1/11/2008 11:55:49 AM # Q
Which was branched from a by out form a company called Thin Air. I am *not* joking. I have sarcastically named projects before, based on my view of their success rate. You do *not* name things after vapor, gases, large bodies of burning gases, etc.

At this rate we will see an Android phone before a Nova one any who. :D

RE: Reminds me of the Oxygen code name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 12:08:28 PM # Q
> ...You do *not* name things after vapor, gases, large bodies of
> burning gases, etc...

Hmmm...the PALM Fart has a certain ring to it...

RE: Reminds me of the Oxygen code name...
hoodoo @ 1/11/2008 4:15:06 PM # Q
They could name a new Smartphone the Palm Traveller, which would be the Palm Fahrt in Germany.

RE: Reminds me of the Oxygen code name...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/11/2008 4:30:46 PM # Q
Didn't someone quote Shakespeare around here just recently?

== "A rose by any other name would..."

Giggle.

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stop wasting time code-naming OS's

pmjoe @ 1/11/2008 7:28:13 PM # Q
and get on with developing the OS already!!!

These folks have clearly lost sense of the fact that this deliverable is already 5 years behind schedule ... and will be 6 years behind on their current schedule.

RE: stop wasting time code-naming OS's
VampireLestat @ 1/12/2008 11:06:52 PM # Q
Considering all my good ideas, it should be named:

Palm OS Lestat

RE: stop wasting time code-naming OS's
purplerain @ 1/15/2008 12:45:31 AM # Q
don't you think that it having a bad codename means that not a lot of time was spent on choosing it? look at palm's other codenames. at least some of them are better.

i'm sure with all the layoffs and its reputation for not shipping, palm is taking shipping the new platform very seriously.

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¿Dónde está Nova?

FrequentVisitor @ 1/1/2009 3:24:19 PM # Q
As far as I know, "later in 2008" has come and passed in all parts of the globe, yet we still haven't yet heard a peep out of Palm about Nova.

Remember Copeland?

Remember Be OS?

Remember Cobalt?

Remember Palm Linux?

Remember Fooleo?

Remember ALP OS?


"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, Fooleo me once, shame on — shame on you. Fooleo me — you can't get Fooleoed again."

- George W. Bush


RE: ¿Dónde está Nova?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/1/2009 4:06:12 PM # Q
> ...As far as I know, "later in 2008" has come and passed in all
> parts of the globe, yet we still haven't yet heard a peep out of
> Palm about Nova.

But we tried, we tried!

- http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/are-you-accessorized-for-2009.html#comments

- http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_P/threadview?m=tm&bn=13738&tid=313826&mid=313826&tof=1&frt=1

Giggle.

RE: ¿Dónde está Nova?
FrequentVisitor @ 1/1/2009 4:48:53 PM # Q
I seem to recall the EXACT same story with Cobalt:



http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/5339/palm-os-6-to-be-released-in-late-2003/

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5992

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6117/nagel-talks-up-future-palmsource-prospects/

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6393/where-is-palm-os-6/

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6409/palmsource-ships-palm-os-6/

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6550

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6568

Then, SURPRISE SURPRISE, Gomer Pyle:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7166/palmsource-introduces-palm-os-cobalt-61-for-smartphones/




And of course, who can forget David Schlesinger's Dirty Little Secret:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8514/access-linux-platform-shown-at-linuxworld/

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9140/access-linux-platform-release-date-slips/




Unfortunately for Palm, 5 years later they no longer are sitting on BILLIONS that they can squander away and they also now have some serious competition: Google, Microsoft, RIM and Apple all smell blood and are circling the plump, spluttering "Fast" Eddie Colligan.

Nova = iPhone-quality smartphone + integrated wireless services + ZERO BUGS, or else Palm is toast by Summer 2009. Sink or swim, Eddie. Claus ain't gonna save ya this time.


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