MobileInfocenter

Bluetooth SD Card on Palm's European Site

The Palm Bluetooth SD Card is now listed on the company's European website. It isn't on the U.S. site yet. This is just a product description, it doesn't appear to be available for sale. This card should be out soon, though. According to Palm reps at PalmSource earlier this month, it will come out this week for $120.

Only the m500 series is listed on the Bluetooth card's product description as being supported. The i705 isn't available in Europe so it wouldn't appear on that list. The card was demonstrated at PalmSource working with the i705. However, the m125 is conspicuously absent.

The Bluetooth SD Card comes with several applications. Blueboard is an app that lets users wirelessly share a whiteboard while BlueChat lets them write instant messages to each other. Both of these have been licenced from Colligo Networks.

It will come with BtPrint from IS/Complete and a driver for the HP 995 DeskJet to let the user print to a Bluetooth-enabled printer.

One of the primary uses Palm sees for the Bluetooth SD card is it will let people wirelessly connect to their mobile phones and access the Internet from anywhere, without having to hook up wires or keep infrared ports pointed at each other. To allow this, the card comes with drivers for the Sony Ericsson T39, T68 and R520M and Nokia 6210 phones.

The card will also work with Bluetooth network access points and laptops with Bluetooth PC cards.

Expansys in the UK is taking preorders for these cards.

Bluetooth is a short-range, low-power wireless standard. Its range depends on the devices being connected and the amount of interference in the area but most devices will be limited to 30 feet. It has a maximum speed of 1 Mbps.

This card was co-developed by Palm and Toshiba.

Thanks to montyburns and Gordon Jones for the tips. -Ed

Related Information:

Article Comments

 (66 comments)

The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PalmInfocenter is not responsible for them in any way.
Please Login or register here to add your comments.

Comments Closed Comments Closed
This article is no longer accepting new comments.

Down View Full Comment Thread

typo

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 3:26:13 PM #
it says the m130 is absent, i think u mean m125 since the m130 is rumored

RE: typo
Ed @ 2/20/2002 3:30:55 PM #
Thanks. Keep in mind though, when you see that "Breaking News" at the beginning, what it means is I'm still writing the article. I've just posted it so you don't have to wait another 30 minutes or so while I continue to edit it and add more. In general just the basics are there. I try to remember to spell check it first. :-)

---
News Editor

Bluetooth speed

mstur @ 2/20/2002 3:35:11 PM #
I cannot find any data on the bandwith of the Bluetooth connection compared to the IrDA infrared port.
I am currently using a T39 connected to my Vx with infrared. Works nicely when it works ;-)

Want a new Palm anyway, the m515 would fit all my needs. The question is, has the Bluetooth any spoeed advantage over the IrDA port ???

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 3:53:59 PM #
Throughput for Bluetooth is rated at 1 Mbps under optimal conditions. With error correction overhead and other environmental factors, however, the real throughput should be about 700 Kbps to 800 Kbps.

Several other factors can influence Bluetooth's speed. The presence of other 2.4-GHz devices, such as an 802.11b WAN, can degrade performance of a Bluetooth piconet.

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 5:48:06 PM #
> Several other factors can influence Bluetooth's speed. The presence
> of other 2.4-GHz devices, such as an 802.11b WAN, can degrade
> performance of a Bluetooth piconet.

My understanding of this was that it is the other way around. 802.11b performance can be degraded by Bluetooth devices, but that 802.11b devices do not typically interfere with Bluetooth.

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:02:41 PM #
Truth of the matter is that other devices running 2.4 gig do have a little play with Bluetooth. But then, so do microwave ovens. :-)

The fun of a T39 with a bluetooth enabled Palm OS device (I saw a demo of the memorystick version long time ago, whatever happened to that?!) is that the phone can be in your pocket and the palm browsing the web in your hand. Wheeee....

For security, the palm to phone connection is protected with a 14 digit code so security is ok there. But if you have your bluetooth enabled on your palm device and don't have it 'hidden' from the network, anyone with a bluetooth device can find you and send you stuff... without your permission.

Palm Source had several cool palm and phone connection demos running. The sad one was the Palm Bluetooth to bluetooth printer demo where someone in the audience took over the printer and the demo person couldn't stop them.

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 7:06:17 PM #
hee hee - that was me! :-)

the HP printer has no security in it. Which is kinda flakey, but not a major problem really - it's only a printer. All other devices I've played with have user authentication. don't blame BT/Palm for HP's near-sightedness.



RE: Bluetooth speed
sir_tez @ 2/20/2002 7:09:39 PM #
Are any of the phones listed above available in the US? I want a Bluetooth enabled phone dangit!

---

Sir Tez
IT is a rough life

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 8:32:55 PM #
some friends in the US have the T39, so it must be available somewhere. i think they are with Cingular...?

RE: Bluetooth speed
Xian @ 2/20/2002 9:15:35 PM #
Cingular doesn't sell T39 phones, but you can get one from other sources and use them on Cingular's network. I just got one from Primate Systems a week ago to replace my T28World and I love it.

You can also find them on PlanetOmni and eBay.

RE: Bluetooth speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2002 3:57:42 AM #
This shouldn't be much of an issue. The bottleneck will be the airspeed of your uplink. Here in Europe, the current max speed is 43.3 (three of the wide GSM/GPRS timeslots available from a few operators). Most of the time they seem to stick me with a pesky 9.6 connection. With syncs/dl's going beyond 5 minutes, it will be a blessing not having to keep the phone and Palm's IrDA eyes aligned.


peace,
airwhale

RE: Bluetooth speed
Synwpn @ 2/21/2002 1:46:21 PM #
I got my T39 off the net and have it working on Voicestream and Cingular (when I'm on the west coast). I LOVE this phone. So far, with the extended battery, I can run for almost 3 weeks without recharging it! Already put in a request for this bluetooth SD at my local vendor.

m125's absence

Scott @ 2/20/2002 3:41:23 PM #
My take on it is that the m125 is probably compatible but because the card sticks out and the slot on the m125 is on the side, Palm, Inc. realizes that it would offer poor usability, so they're only stressing m5xx compatibility. Of course, that's just my guess.

Scott

RE: m125's absence
madhatter @ 2/20/2002 3:52:03 PM #
"The card was demonstrated at PalmSource working with the i705"

Scott, the only problem with that assessment is that the i705 also has it's card slot on the side. As far as being usable, I think that Palm expects for people to take the card out when not in use. This would save a lot of calls from people who forget to sign off the net and the person's phone minutes are eaten up by a Palm that is sitting in their pocket.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: m125's absence
AzureGuy @ 2/20/2002 4:46:32 PM #
I want bluetooth for my m125.....

* * *
OW, my BLUETOOTH!!!! I lost my blue tooth..... :(
RE: m125's absence
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:02:15 PM #
it's BOOTHTOOF

RE: m125's absence
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:10:23 PM #
To protect that longer SD/bluetooth card coming out the side of your palm handheld, you could cut a slit in a tennis ball and put that over it. The ball should protect it as well make your palm device easy to find amongst other till they see what a great idea you had and copy cat you. Ha... just kidding there, no one would copy such a great idea go ahead and be the first.

RE: m125's absence
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:11:58 PM #
My guess is that it will not be compatible with the m125 since the m125 (and m130?) does not have Flash ROM. The software for the Bluetooth drivers may need to be applied as a patch to the OS in ROM, and thus require Flash ROM.

RE: m125's absence
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 7:28:32 PM #
BBZZTTT! WRONG!

It works just fine in a 125. The only issue is that it sticks out the side. If you have a 125 and want BT you CAN use the card.

The software DOES NOT go into flash, it uses main memory.

RE: m125's absence
Scott @ 2/20/2002 11:51:29 PM #
"Scott, the only problem with that assessment is that the i705 also has it's card slot on the side. As far as being usable, I think that Palm expects for people to take the card out when not in use. This would save a lot of calls from people who forget to sign off the net and the person's phone minutes are eaten up by a Palm that is sitting in their pocket."

Ed said that the i705 wasn't listed, either. I didn't argue that it wouldn't work with the m125, just that they were probably not listing it because it would be kinda clunky since it would stick out of the side. Quite honestly, it seems to me that it will be worse than clunky, it will actually be uncomfortable to hold an m125 or i705 with the card there, since that's where your hand is supposed to wrap around the device. I also have to disagree with you a bit on the issue of connecting wirelessly. Sure, accessing the internet via a Bluetooth phone will no doubt be one of the biggest uses of it. But, the beauty of Bluetooth, to me, is with a lot of the other things people haven't even thought of yet. Actually, Palm did think of one. Remember the idea about scanning other local Palm OS devices for a list of someone's favorite software? You won't get very far if everyone's walking around with the Bluetooth card in their pocket.

Overall, I'm disappointed. Not just with the fact that it sticks out, but also with the cost. Until Bluetooth PDAs are widespread (enabling the neat stuff I mentioned above), most people are going to be using this basically as a cable-replacement. Is a cable replacement worth $130?

Scott

RE: m125's absence
mtg101 @ 2/21/2002 4:30:21 AM #
Scott - yep - US$120 is a lot for a cable replacement. Assuming you already have a cable. I know few people over here in the UK who've bought a cable because of the huge cost, around 50 ($70).

Also, every time you change phone or PDA you have to buy a new cable. And the cables don't come out for ages after the devices do.

So, if you don't have a cable and may be upgrading your phone or PDA within the next year or so, a BT card might actually be a good investment.


---
russ@russb.fsnet.co.uk

RE: m125's absence
Scott @ 2/21/2002 11:38:51 AM #
Good points mtg101. Sorry to hear about the excessive cable costs. Surely, 3rd party cable makers make them cheaper, no? While your arguments may make sense for European customers, here's why I wouldn't go for it:
1) If I buy it with the hopes of not having to worry about buying a new cable with every new PDA I buy, I'll be locked into SD devices.
2) With the diminishing costs of Bluetooth, it's possible that future devices will have it built in anyway.
3) The card still sticks out. By the time I got around to buying another PDA without Bluetooth but with an SD slot, I'd be willing to bet that a newer, smaller, cheaper SD Bluetooth card would be available.

Personally, I hope they (and everyone else) get moving on integrating Bluetooth into all of their PDAs ASAP.

Scott

HandEra 330

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:42:09 PM #
Anyone know if this card will be supported in the HandEra 330? HandEra has been very good about producing drivers for many of the CF devices out there... what about the newer SD devices?


RE: HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 9:04:46 PM #
At a minimum the card requires Palm OS 4.x, so at least for now the answer would certainly be no.

Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:41:27 PM #
The only Nokias that are available now AND have bluetooth are the 6310 and the 8310 - however, only the 8310 is triple band allowing it to be used in the US.

Can't wait to use my T39 with the Bluetooth card, BUT I want to see it WORKING first.

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 6:48:31 PM #
I just saw Palm's website - I didn't realize it was their mistake, not Ed's. It MUST be a typo...

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
skytraveler @ 2/20/2002 7:48:32 PM #
The Nokia 6210 does have a bluetooth add-on.

The SkyTraveler
RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 7:49:58 PM #
Yes but so does the T29s and other phones. I find it strange that there is no driver for the 6310 or the 8310 with built-in bluetooth, although the fact that they were relatively recently released would explain it...

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 8:00:25 PM #
according to the nokia website the 8310 is not tri-band... only 900/1800 thus cannot be used in the US
http://www.nokia.com/phones/8310/index.html
The US equivalent will be the 8390 which is only 1900

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 10:57:27 PM #
I have a Nk8310 right here and definately no bluetooth capability out the box.

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2002 12:12:08 AM #
Nokia 8310 = dual band GSM 900/1800
supports GPRS
IR enabled
***NO BLUETOOTH***

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2002 3:52:49 AM #
You can buy that as an option - it's a battery with Bluetooth capabilities. However, I don't like the card sticking out so much. It won't fit in my case, so it's a bit annoying. If I'm gonna use an add-on for Bluetooth that adds to the form factor, I might as well go with the TDK Blue m - then I will have access to all the apps and stuff I keep on my SD memory card at the same time.

Anyone know if the m515 will have built-in Bluetooth?

peace,
airwhale

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2002 4:46:55 AM #
Nokia 6210 can have bluetooth. Nokia sells a connectivity pack for the 6210, which includes a bluetooth module for the phone and a bluetooth PCMCIA card.

RE: Nokia 6210 does NOT have Bluetooth
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/21/2002 5:34:43 AM #
Sorry, you guys are right about the 8310. For some reason I was under the illusion it was triple band and had bluetooth, simply because a lot of people were comparing it to the T39!! It does have GPRS though :P

Phone Compatibility in the USA

skytraveler @ 2/20/2002 7:45:26 PM #
It appears that the drivers the module comes with are for European phones. Does anyone know what phones the bluetooth module will be compatible with in the USA?

The SkyTraveler
RE: Phone Compatibility in the USA
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 7:59:18 PM #
Well the T39, the T68, as well as 8310 are all triple-band GSM phones, so they can be used in the US too. If I am not mistaken, Voicestream and Cingular are both GSM? All three have GPRS which is another plus.

Aren't these sold in the US?

RE: Phone Compatibility in the USA
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 8:47:53 PM #
I just got the t39 and the only place it is availible seems to be from online retailers. I got mine for $175 from ustronics.com (with voicestream activation). It was the best deal I could find. The only problem is they sent me the t39mc which is actually a chinese version of the phone. So that means no t9 text input. I have heard that Ericsson will upgrade your firmware for free so I am looking into that.

RE: Phone Compatibility in the USA
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/20/2002 8:52:42 PM #
It's too bad there isn't more GSM competition in the US. The price of the phone without activation is about $300. In parts of Europe you can get it for free with activation.

Ericsson does upgrade the firmware for free (in my country anyway), and since you got it with activation it should have already been the English version! Anyway, look into your nearest service center - the upgrade takes about 30 minutes. If it's just a matter of firmware change, you have no problems.

RE: Phone Compatibility in the USA
Xian @ 2/20/2002 9:20:46 PM #
Voicestream is all GSM, and depending on where you are, Cingular can be GSM. When SBC and BellSouth merged into Cingular, the company has been operating with both GSM and TDMA, if I remember right. All depends on where you are in the country.

And as far as GPRS goes, it's not everywhere that Cingular has GSM at.

RE: Phone Compatibility in the USA
He||Raiser @ 2/21/2002 2:40:31 AM #
Does anyone have the T39 in California? In addition, what processes did you guys have to go through to get the phone. How did you get the phone with activiation if you bought it from an online retailer, did you buy the phone direct from this website and then Voicestream reimbursed you or...?

Top View Full Comment Thread
Achtung! Only the first 50 comments are displayed within the article.
    Click here for the full story discussion page...

Account

Register Register | Login Log in
user:
pass: