Hawkins Secret Project Due Next Year?

Michael Mace is reporting on his blog that Ed Colligan has confirmed that Jeff Hawkins "secret project" will debut sometime next year.

Late last year Hawkins revealed that he has been working on a secretive third business at Palm involving the next major generation of mobile computing. Mace also states that "I know a number of very bright people at Palm moved to work on it, more than a year ago."

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d_aveFromCA @ 11/16/2006 3:31:08 PM # Q
It's gonna be a Palm Segway, in fact, they're going to call it a Pegway. I hear they're also throwing around the name, 'Spalmway' for consideration.

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My guess?

hkklife @ 11/16/2006 3:26:36 PM # Q
It'll be essentially a LifeDrive redux sporting a VGA screen, and a larger tablet-style formfactor. Maybe it'll have some sort of voice recognition standard. I could also imagine it having either a large amount of flash memory or an 80gb+ 1.8" HD and an integrated cellular radio that's data-centric (speakerphone & BT headset voice support only) or might omit voice functionality entirely.

Basically, think of it as Palm's version of the iPod phone w/o voice and with the emphasis on PIM and video functionality instead of voice and music. The LifeDrive meets the Nokia 770 meets the iPhone? Perhaps.

It'll probably marketed to a niche, early-adopter type audience under a separate marketing banner (sorts like how Vertu is to Nokia but w/o the huge price difference). Maybe $600ish?

The OS? Either, in a huge leap of imagination, ALP, or simply WinMob. Either way it'll be Palm's (assuming they are still an independent entity this time next year) final stab at doing something other than rehashing the Treo ad nauseum. If this thing does ever appear on store shelves, I expect it to be a much more "serious" effort than the penny-pinching LifeDrive debacle.

All of this is, of course, just sheer speculation on my part. I personally doubt we'll actually see this device given Palm's conservative, Treo-centric worldview of late.

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RE: My guess?
Rhauer @ 11/16/2006 4:07:09 PM # Q
Where do I sign up?

RE: My guess?
legodude522 @ 11/16/2006 4:15:11 PM # Q
I think its safe to omit ALP from that. :-(

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RE: My guess?
hkklife @ 11/16/2006 4:29:36 PM # Q
My money is on a heavily tweaked, "Palmified" version of WinMob.

The new landscape-oriented HP iPaq 4000 & 5915(especially the 5915 with its 2gb flash memory & GPS that Adama recently reviewed for BH) are probably the closest current PDA-style unit to Hawkins' project...either those or whatever 770 replacement Nokia has in the works.

Whatever it is, I expect Hawkins to make his unit much more PIM-focused than the Mylo/Nokia 770/iPaqs mentioned above.

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RE: My guess?
freakout @ 11/16/2006 5:10:09 PM # Q
What about the job opening they have for server-side software? Maybe it's a kind of uber-search application as Beersie described:


Or perhaps a new kind of wheat-thresher? Everyone loves a wheat thresher.

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RE: My guess?
Foo Fighter @ 11/16/2006 8:52:58 PM # Q
LifeDrive redux? Not likely. It's safe to assume that Palm is working on some kind of entirely new play they haven't otherwise attempted before. An upgraded LifeDrive hardly fits that definition. My instincts tell me that Palm will venture into some kind of services venture; developing a new product that integrates into some backend service (think iPod + iTunes). The services business could offer them a new revenue stream, freeing the company from the hardware pure-play model they exist under now - where profit margins are doomed to recede further as competition intensifies and the market becomes commoditized.

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RE: My guess?
hkklife @ 11/16/2006 10:57:38 PM # Q

Good call...I never thought of it in terms of the backend revenut potential for Palm...instead, the only "back" association I've associated with Palm as of late is the, battered, ahem, "backdoors" of the paying beta testers who have had to endure the T5, Treo 650, 700p and the LifeDrive.

Are you thinking about something along the lines of Slingbox on steroids?

Palm's history so far with service-oriented ventures is quite patchy---look at the palm.net/Palm VII/i705 debacle and PeanutPress/E-Reader.

And Palm took a stab at the retail software market a few years back--the "PalmPak" pre-loaded expansion cards were sold for what was likely pennies on the dollar to MobileDigitalMedia who were in turn acquired by Filao.

The HUGE question in all of this is...what role (if any) will the cellular carriers play in Palm/Hawkins' new project? And wouldn't Hawkins want his new service venture to somehow have a proprietary hardware platform to run on? At worst, a "dead" Palm VII/i705/T|W/Treo with no wireless service account is still a darn good PDA. If Hawkins doesn't play his cards right then he might end up with the pocket equivalent of WebTV.

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legodude522 @ 11/16/2006 3:46:20 PM # Q
If its anything good and leaps better than the LifeDrive, I'll sell my Zaurus, wifi card, and 4gb MicroDrive. As well as my Palm Tungsten T|3 1100mah.

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Audrey Redux: Nagel's Revenge

Gekko @ 11/16/2006 4:41:44 PM # Q
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new project?

philpalm @ 11/16/2006 7:18:47 PM # Q
Maybe it is an add-on to the new $100 laptop? It will be called lapalmtop? And use an OS that is closer to linux?

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new rumor

matt_laughs @ 11/16/2006 9:39:02 PM # Q
a reliable source says Palm, And the The Kentucky Bar they own, called 'the backdoor' are going to meet with there with software provider acess, and automobile giant 'johnson controlls' and retail giant 'bed bath and beyond'

apparently, Palm has huge stake with Acess to the backdoor, which it is willing to give up for software to Johnson controlls
if the meeting at the backdoor goes well. the next meeting, is at bed bath and beyond.

thats what she said!

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rmhurdman @ 11/16/2006 11:06:34 PM # Q
"With his new company, Numenta, which he'll unveil on Mar. 24, he's trying to do no less than create machines that work just like the human brain."
"all this time as an entrepreneur I was working part-time. The other part of my time was on neuroscience and I had a lot of friends in the neuroscience community.
If each neuron is like a cpu, then a network of computers is like a brain. Maybe the "secret project" is a handheld that uses wifi to connect to other handhelds nearby to share content. Oops, I guess Zune beat him to it!

RE: Numenta-Palm-enstein
matt_laughs @ 11/17/2006 12:18:20 AM # Q
what if software did not rely on hardware to do floating point integers, and every possible calculation, was already in software memory? i like the idea of a computer that thinks like a brain.... i just hope it doesnt turn out to be 'this is your brain on drugs'

seems like a really neat idea, like the downloadable software where you donate cpu cycles to a worldwide project.....to figure out calculations even super computers cant do, one of the most mysterious things is the human brain........

what if it was a really basic internet connected palm, that used a central host super computer to do all its calculations, so it was incredibly lightweight, used very little battery, etc....

thats what she said!

RE: Numenta-Palm-enstein
freakout @ 11/17/2006 3:03:39 AM # Q
^^ Now that sounds interesting, and very much in keeping with Hawkin's earlier comments.

Jeff Hawkins has been dropping infuriating hints about upcoming products of a secret "third business" at Palm, which are the implication of "a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection in their pocket and many gigabytes of storage, super-fast processors, audio, visual and multimedia."

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RE: Numenta-Palm-enstein
SeldomVisitor @ 11/17/2006 6:36:41 AM # Q
> ...Oops, I guess Zune beat him to it!

I think the Zune beat PALM to it.

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Palm secrets.

VampireLestat @ 11/17/2006 2:17:00 AM # Q
Whatever it is, SOUNDS EXCITING!



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Secret project

OMEGON @ 11/17/2006 10:45:16 AM # Q
Oh - I thought you meant Steven Hawkings. Never mind.

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As earthshaking as the Segway?

Tuckermaclain @ 11/17/2006 10:59:18 AM # Q
How underwhelming that was. Less impact than high-wheeled bicycles in the late 19th century. I'm not holding my breath.

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Better Make Me shoot Fire

theog @ 11/17/2006 1:03:59 PM # Q
out my azz.....

Far as I'm concerned, I don't think palm can afford a "miss" with this new product.

Vote for John Kerry... best man for the job.

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Colormeweb @ 11/17/2006 1:18:43 PM # Q
Does anyone else think that this is just some BS spin palm uses when they want to get a buzz going about themselves? Keep the hype up on this when things are down then in a few years they will say something like "well, the idea is years ahead of the hardware development so it was not possible".

just_little_me @ 11/23/2006 7:08:13 PM # Q
Palm are talking this down so much it aint funny. There has been zero hype out of Sunnyvale - unlike the Segway and other comparisons being made around the traps.


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The REAL question . . .

craigdts @ 11/17/2006 1:33:29 PM # Q
Is it going to be a new product category that reaches a new market without cannibalizing sales of the Treo. If it just appeals to the same PDA or Smartphone user then I don't see a lot of reason for doing it at this point.

BTW I still think the lifedrive was its forerunner.

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Color Handera?

Timothy Rapson @ 11/17/2006 2:09:14 PM # Q
What COULD it be? a color Handera 550c? A Palm TH55 camera model? Something with a ...... microphone?
I can't wait.

RE: Color Handera?
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/19/2006 12:33:29 PM # Q
Something with a ...... microphone?

Don't be greedy!

I'll bet it's a LifeDrive with a 6 GB (YES, SIX GB!) hard drive and Palm's super-cool Black Tie Edition "paint". The crowds are gonna go CRAZY for this one!


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It's Compu-Food

Haber @ 11/17/2006 2:46:01 PM # Q
Clearly, it's a computerized Slim-Jim.

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I vote for...

joad @ 11/17/2006 7:24:16 PM # Q
A PIM that requires no charging - PEN AND PAPER!!!!

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if its

matt_laughs @ 11/18/2006 3:54:48 AM # Q
if its based on a mans brain, i wonder if it will hit on other branded PDAs, and at the end of the night, use its palm.

thats what she said!
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Hawkins' Secret Project REVAELED! Shocker! (Not Really.)

The_Voice_of_Reason @ 11/19/2006 12:00:40 PM # Q

Hawkins' secret: a Treble Wireless Tablet PalmPC
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 8/5/2005 11:30:53 PM #

Treble Wireless Tablet PalmPC:

1) Take a CLIE TH55 and double the size.

2) VGA screen.

3) Include Wi-Fi, Bluetooth (all profiles) and (finally!) cellphone radio with speakerphone.

4) Integrated stand on back of device, Bluetooth keyboard, host USB, 40 GB HD.

The big mystery is why Palm hasn't the WTP yet. The parts are all easily available.

TVoR/Nostradamus, Inc.


Since it's now over 1 year late, add an 80 GB hard drive, streaming media and thin client software (with Palm doing much of the heavy lifting). Palm would be wise to buy bandwidth from a carrier (say, Sprint) and include the data service as part of the package. Add Palm-controlled music, video and software stores and pray that this revenue model isn't a mirage in the desert Palm currently finds itself.

A heavily customized version of Windows Mobile with an integrated StyleTap Platform (which a wise Palm would soon purchase) simplifies Palm's OS headaches immensely.


RE: Hawkins' Secret Project REVAELED! Shocker! (Not Really.)
matt_laughs @ 11/20/2006 6:40:22 AM # Q
scratch the central host computer, insert central media database,

let users connect to their own computer media, files, cpu cycles, at home over wifi, evdo, etc.

and other device users.

voice recognition, and include what a 750 or tx would have......and sdio and

products like on sdio.org

add tivo. add a sirius satelite attenna.......

thats what she said!

tvor loves the hawkins seCret project revaeled! shOCKer! (Really)
matt_laughs @ 11/20/2006 7:09:46 AM # Q

thats what she said!
RE: Hawkins' Secret Project REVAELED! Shocker! (Not Really.)
Admin @ 11/20/2006 12:42:35 PM # Q
Please take it elsewhere. Don't need any protracted pissing contests here.
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