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Another Treo 800w/Gandolf Picture?

Treo 800w GandolfRumor: The MorningPaper blog has posted what appears to be a legitimate but low-resolution shot of what could be the next Windows Mobile Treo device. Apparently clad in a matte black finish reminiscent of the recent BlackJack/Q/BlackBerry models, the Treo 800w appears to basically mimic the earlier pictures of the Treo "Gandolf" mentioned recently with a few design cues from the older Tungsten C and W keyboard-based PDAs as seen in the previously leaked photos. The device also appears slimmer with a larger LCD but this could be just due to the orientation of the device in the photo.

The D-Pad appears to have taken design cues from the older LifeDrive and Z22 handhelds with the "recessed ring" style. The green and red send/end buttons are also vertically-oriented, with the four hardware app buttons surrounding the d-pad much like the old Zire 72 handheld.

According to the article, Sprint's internal roadmap document indicates "HIGH" by this product, signifying its importance to Sprint's future handset lineup. The photo's caption also indicates that this is to be an EVDO Rev. A device, unsurprisingly.

Palm Treo Gandolf RumorIt's still unknown if this device is to run Windows Mobile 6 Standard and not use a touchscreen (as earlier Ganfolf rumors seemed to indicate) or if it will be fully touchscreen-enabled like Palm's current WM5 Treos with the latest Windows Mobile 6 Professional OS. There is no indication at this time of a Garnet or "Palm OS II" version as an 800p on the Sprint roadmap.

Thanks to Surur for the tip.

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Looks better

bulls96 @ 7/10/2007 2:19:35 AM # Q
This pic looks better than the 2 previous ones :) i hope they come up with a palm os one.

RE: Looks better
scstraus2 @ 7/10/2007 7:21:48 AM # Q
Looks like a small blurry animal raped a blackjack.

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No touchscreen

Scott R @ 7/10/2007 6:33:35 AM # Q
If the previous pictures are accurate, it looks to me like this will be a non-touchscreen WM6 Standard model (previously known as WM Smartphone edition). The older photos showed a "Back" button (the button with the back arrow). The "Back" button is a standard requirement of the non-touchscreen version of WM. If so, I probably wouldn't be interested. More interesting to me would be a 320x320 version of the 700wx or 750.

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Link's broken

SeldomVisitor @ 7/10/2007 7:05:42 AM # Q
At this time in the morning the link to the external article goes to a page with the contents:

== "1Trackback pings and Comments must use HTTP POST"

RE: Link's broken
mikecane @ 7/10/2007 8:10:31 AM # Q
Same for me!

RE: Link's broken
mikecane @ 7/10/2007 8:13:35 AM # Q
This works:

http://morningpaper.typepad.com/morning_paper/2007/07/is-the-800w-des.html

Eh. It's a small blurry picture of no real use...

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Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!

SeldomVisitor @ 7/10/2007 4:22:00 PM # Q
PALM is =officially= out of the Windows Mobile business!

Their new Windows devices are coming to you hardware AND software courtesy of PALM's ODMs and Microsoft.

I think it might be somewhat unlikely, IMHO, that PALM would thus:

-- http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1306293&postcount=17

RE: Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!
hkklife @ 7/10/2007 7:18:05 PM # Q
But SV (forgive me if this was addressed somewhere else online), what of the many "tweaks" and "Palmizations" Palm made for the 700w/wx/750 for WM5? I realize many of those were integrated into WM6 IIRC but will they still attempt ANY tweaks/customizations/one-handed navigation improvements/differentiation in future WM devices? Or have they (as TVoR indeed predicted ages ago) 100% become JAWL?

But Palm COULD still "request" one of their ODMs to whip up a special flagship Treo with a built-in GPS chipset (have you seen how small & miserly some of those have become) without having to tinker too much with the OS for inclusion in their "Mercedes" device....couldn't they?

And wouldn't it behoove Google to gently "encourage" Palm to introduce GPS-equipped handsets into their lineup? After all, Palm's made a rather good showing of some surprisingly well done GPS cradles/accessory bundles, so why not go all out and actually integrate it into at least one of their devices?

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!
SeldomVisitor @ 7/10/2007 9:17:49 PM # Q
I believe "JAWL" describes almost perfectly what PALM =has become=.

Thus expecting roughly-equivalent Windows and PalmOS devices (as your post on Treocentral the link to which is in the first of this thread suggested) is simply incorrect, IMHO.

PALM's gonna say to the HTCs of the world: "Gimme THIS" and they're gonna say: "No problemo!" for ALL Windows devices henceforward. Boring but efficient.


Palm is becoming Just Another WindowsMobile Licensee (JAWL)
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 7/10/2007 9:37:43 PM # Q
But SV (forgive me if this was addressed somewhere else online), what of the many "tweaks" and "Palmizations" Palm made for the 700w/wx/750 for WM5? I realize many of those were integrated into WM6 IIRC but will they still attempt ANY tweaks/customizations/one-handed navigation improvements/differentiation in future WM devices? Or have they (as TVoR indeed predicted ages ago) 100% become JAWL?

I believe Palm has officially given up on trying to innovate and realize they are too small to compete with the big boys, especially now that they have squandered away the three-year lead that Handspring had given them with the Treo.

HTC is able to produce several new models every year. There is simply no way that Palm is able to compete with model cycles like that. So if you can beat 'em, join 'em. In order for Palm to be customizing devices running Windows Mobile, they would need:

1) Microsoft's permission.
2) A dedicated team of codemonkeys devoted to developing and supporting features that are not standard to Windows Mobile.
3) To believe that the effort required to do "2" would result in a financial payoff greater than the costs required to do "2".

When was last time you remember Palm making the effort to do something the hard way?

PalmOS 5 has finally reached the end of its lifecycle. The FOOLeo's Linux + a PalmOS "emulator" like PACE are a pragmatic solution Palm's desire to have its own OS. Does Palm have the codemonkey talent to develop + support its own OS? (Remember: this is a company incapable of issuing bug-free bug fixes, incapable of developing basic applications (email, security, MP3 player, video player, etc.) A far more realistic (lazy/cheap/safe) solution is to become Just Another WindowsMobile Licensee (JAWL) in the short term and buy StyleTap Platform. Again, Palm is acting like a company more interested in surviving long enough to get bought out than a company planning for long-term independent future.

The most important question to ask these days is "Who would want to buy Palm?" It's not as if companies as na´ve as the (now-rueful Access*) grow on trees...

TVoR


* Any guess as to how long it will be before the PalmSource "kiss of death" brings Access to its knees? Anyone look recently at how Access has been faring financially since it acquired PalmSource? W T F were these guys thinking?

RE: Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!
hkklife @ 7/10/2007 10:05:41 PM # Q
SV;

As always, brutal but prescient. I think I can even permit myself a "giggle" for that one.


I was REALLY expecting a quick "me too" 755w to mimic the 755p in every way other than the OS. But after going back and rereading the past few weeks of chatter online (I was occupied with holiday & work type stuff stuff for the better part of the past few weeks and didn't spend as much time online) does appear that the 700wx is indeed Palm's last home-brewed Treo.

So the question is....will they still try to cobble together a final few generations of Garnet-based units in-house? Or will they farm those out to an ODM as well?

Or will they take an ODM piece o' hardware and try to wrap FrankenGarnet around it?


Have we tossed this link out before on PIC? I originally saw it on TC:

http://www.gizmodo.com/photogallery/htcroadmap/2058568

Is that the Gandolf? I believe it is.

THAT'S (combined with the frequently updated Palm GPS kits) what has led me to believe they are going to go on a big GPS + LBS push in the near future.

Wouldn't it be grand if Palm basically splits the line between some variant of this HTC-sourced design for all of their WM products but keeps the "classic" Treo formfactor (presumably done by Inventec?) the now-exclusive domain of Garnet/Palm OS II?



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!
freakout @ 7/10/2007 10:17:23 PM # Q
Have we tossed this link out before on PIC? I originally saw it on TC:

http://www.gizmodo.com/photogallery/htcroadmap/2058568

Is that the Gandolf? I believe it is.

Ew. I like the colour and the keys, but those hard buttons are hideous. Say it ain't so!

As for Palm churning out cookie-cutter WinMob devices: I imagine they'd keep their one-handed nav enhancements, threaded SMS and Today plugins, but maybe nothing new from here on in. to be honest, I'm happy to hear that: WinMob's enterprise features are mostly standard anyway, and I'd rather Palm spend time perfecting their own new OS than wasting time with MS'.

RE: Hey hkklife! Don't Forget Now!
hkklife @ 7/10/2007 10:38:01 PM # Q
If you compare the Gizmodo pic above to the one in my story from this morning about the Sprint roadmap leaked picture, it looks remarkably like the same device, aside from the hard buttons being better differentiated in the "Palm" version, the bolder green & red send/end buttons and, of course, the Z22/LifeDrive style "condom ring" d-pad design.

Going back to TVoR's comments: I'd love to see a front page PIC poll where we can all vote who is the most likely candidate to buy Palm.
Then after the dust has settled in a year or so, there can be a FLURRY of "I told you so's!" all over PIC!


Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

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Treo Gandolf say:

naio21 @ 7/13/2007 1:52:28 PM # Q
"Run, you fools!"


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