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ACCESS Renames Palm OS to Garnet OS

Access powered logoACCESS today debuted a new ACCESS Powered logo and announced it is renaming Palm OS to Garnet OS. The new ACCESS Powered logo replaces the Palm Powered logo and is now used with products from both ACCESS and PalmSource, Inc. (now known as ACCESS Systems Americas, Inc.).

Last October (2006), ACCESS announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, PalmSource, Inc., had begun the process of changing its name to ACCESS. As part of that process, along with its previously announced agreement with Palm, Inc., to sell PalmSource's rights in the Palm Trademark Holding Company to Palm, ACCESS is renaming all products that originally had Palm-based names. The first product to be renamed is Palm OS, which is now known as Garnet OS.

Last December, Palm Inc purchased a perpetual license for the Palm OS Garnet source code. Under terms of the agreement, ACCESS has granted Palm specific rights to modify the code base of Palm OS Garnet for use in its devices such as the Palm Treo smartphone family and the company’s other handheld computers. The agreement also grants Palm the right to use Palm OS Garnet in whole, or in part, in any product from Palm and together with any other system technologies.

The new ACCESS Powered logo identifies this wide range of products available worldwide. ACCESS customers may include the ACCESS Powered logo on their ACCESS compatible devices, either on the hardware itself, or on splash screens. Featuring four spheres emanating from the word ACCESS, the logo is a metaphor for the technologies and products ACCESS generates, incubates and releases to the world. The dynamic arc crowning the logo with the "Powered" element forming the foundation symbolizes the power contained within the product. Together these elements represent the technologies, products and industries ACCESS empowers.

"The new ACCESS Powered logo provides a way to easily identify those mobile phones and other devices that include software from the entire ACCESS product portfolio." stated Tomihisa Kamada, ACCESS co-founder and CTO.

"ACCESS and PalmSource continue to move forward as it becomes one fully integrated company," continued Kamada. "The new ACCESS Powered logo that encompasses ACCESS product offerings, and renaming Palm OS to Garnet OS are two more milestones in our evolution as a leading provider of a range of technologies, solutions, platforms and products specifically designed for the mobile phone and converged device markets."

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Name changes...

critic @ 1/25/2007 12:55:34 PM # Q
So does this mean this site will become GarnetInfoCenter.com?

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What do you think, sirs?
RE: Name changes...
Khris @ 1/25/2007 1:15:51 PM # Q
SinkingShipInfoCenter.com ;)


RE: Name changes...
Ryan @ 1/25/2007 1:24:58 PM # Q
I don't see a point in changing the name of the site.

"Garnet OS" will basically be the stagnant legacy version of the Palm OS. PalmSource/Access has pretty much stopped all development of their version of Garnet for work on ALP.

Palm Inc will likely continue to improve and develop the Palm OS most people use (and still call it the Palm OS) going forward.


RE: Name changes...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/25/2007 1:30:36 PM # Q
I sorta like Mobility-whatever-it's-called.

Time to merge!

RE: Name changes...WAITAMINUTE!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/25/2007 1:31:21 PM # Q
What's that copyright notice say down there at the bottom of the page!?


RE: Name changes...
LiveFaith @ 1/25/2007 1:59:31 PM # Q
Internal corporate records since 1996 for the various owners of Palm OS and it's namesakes:

Average number employees/year for designers, engineers, programmers, staff, and directors dedicated directly to OS development: 119
Estimated human resource dollar cost to develop said OS over period: $95.2 million

Average number employees/year for graphic designers, attorneys, accountants, staff, and directors dedicated directly to OS naming, renaming, refreshing and marketing: 341
Estimated human resource dollar cost to develop said OS over period: $294.3 million

... Sounds pretty balanced to me.

Thanks Access. You are carrying on a glorious tradition that Palm OS users appreciate. We get to use a hacked, whacked, and shellacked OS that crashes, freezes, lags, cannot multi-thread, still cannot handle basic clipboard functionality, looks like it's from the tech stone ages, and is breathing it's last gasps as I write.

So, to see YALANC (yet another logo and naming convention) sprucing up our near stiff dead corpse of a platform, really lifts my spirits. When my next Treo freezes in the midst of an important data retrieval process, I get the express privilege of showing all my friends the hottest and most refreshed logo in the tech world. No way they can keep up.

Take that WM freaks and Linux fanboys!

Pat Horne

RE: Name changes...
pmjoe @ 1/25/2007 3:19:05 PM # Q

Well, if you have them, you should try the numbers since 2000.

> Average number employees/year for designers, engineers, programmers,
> staff, and directors dedicated directly to OS development: 119
> Estimated human resource dollar cost to develop said OS over period: $95.2 million

If it was more than 20 programmers/year and about $10 million over the last 4 years, I'd be shocked. They haven't done anything, so I hope they aren't currently paying 119 people/year to do nothing.

RE: Name changes...
expalmuser @ 1/25/2007 5:39:47 PM # Q
Actually, it has been around 100 or so developers in the past 4 years. The problem that they have always had is attrition... So of those 100 people, how many have been there for more than a couple years? A fraction. So do the math.
They have a few competent engineers who continue to hang on to the company for whatever reasons, but most of their new management hires are imbeciles (that's a compliment). IMHO, this ship has already sunk.
RE: Name changes...
mikecane @ 1/25/2007 5:42:16 PM # Q
>>>When my next Treo freezes in the midst of an important data retrieval process, I get the express privilege of showing all my friends the hottest and most refreshed logo in the tech world.

Hahahaha!!!

You'll get the same from a Nokia 770!

There is no escape...

RE: Name changes...
sungod @ 1/25/2007 6:04:41 PM # Q
All you guys seem to have forgotten that Palmsource sold the the Palm name back to Pa1mOne. This would have included the Palm OS name. So even though this was a monumental waste of time and money, they would have been contractually obligated to do it.

on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero
Name it like it is...
jfme @ 1/25/2007 8:40:52 PM # Q
I like "FrankenGarnet OS" better....

Save some ink and stop stamping volatile logos in devices, please.

RE: Name changes...
EdH @ 1/26/2007 6:33:59 AM # Q
LiveFaith wroteWe get to use a hacked, whacked, and shellacked OS that crashes, freezes, lags, cannot multi-thread, still cannot handle basic clipboard functionality, looks like it's from the tech stone ages, and is breathing it's last gasps as I write.

Wow. I've been saying this for 6+ years and get criticized for it. Now, it suddenly is considered truth. Did it have clipboard functionality in the past and it lost it recently? Did it multithread in the past and it lost it recently? Did it look modern and fresh a few years ago, or is the truth of the matter that even then, it looked like something from the mid-90's? Seems I was more right than wrong all along. What else have I been saying over the years? That Windows Mobile would surpass PalmOS in marketshare? Hrmm.... let me check and see if that happened... ;-)

RE: Name changes...
mikecane @ 1/26/2007 11:30:53 AM # Q
Everyone with a fekkin brain has been saying it for years.

Colligan seems to be as deaf as his predecessors.

The entire fault is the limited vision of Hawkins. He broke his promise to us. I keep thinking I should essay this. Maybe after my LifeDrive is alive again...

RE: Name changes...
pmjoe @ 1/26/2007 11:48:52 AM # Q
> Actually, it has been around 100 or so developers in the past 4 years.

Wish I had 100 developers in the development group I run. I could probably throw 50-60 of them at putting together a new Palm OS over the next two years, a dozen to do my team's work, and still have more than enough left to maintain FrankenGarnet for the Treo.

Back in Palm's world, I cannot fathom what all these people are doing. Unless there is some hidden secret project, WTF are they doing??? You see at one point in time, I thought they were developing a new OS, adding some cool Java VM support, new development tools for the new OS, maintaining Palm Desktop, apps for the Treo, etc. Then 100 people would probably be cutting it a little thin. Today, all I can see them doing is maintenance on the Treo and well that's about it. If they need more than 15, maybe 20, people for that ... well you've got to be kidding me.

RE: Name changes...
freakout @ 1/26/2007 5:18:44 PM # Q
[I]Unless there is some hidden secret project[/I]

There is. The question, of course, is whether or not it's going to be worth this long wait...

RE the complaints about PalmOS, the only one that bothers me are the outdated visuals. Otherwise it plays my mp3's in the background, it can check my email in the background, it caches web pages for me and it remembers what I was doing when I quit an app. For all of WinMob's under-the-hood superiority, it really doesn't offer a hell of a lot over PalmOS for the end-user. Except, perhaps, memory management issues. :P

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

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Really!?!

relyons @ 1/25/2007 1:02:27 PM # Q
Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler recently introduced a new sketch on Saturday Night Live entitled "Really!?!" Here's the sketch on YouTube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo

When I saw this headline, I cocked my head to one side and said out loud, "Really!?!"

"ACCESS is significantly behind schedule on the Access Linux Platform. However, they found time out of the hectic schedule to change the names and logos for the Palm OS. Really!?!"

"New operating systems from Palm and ACCESS will probably have unique names to differentiate them from the current incarnation of the 'Palm OS.' However, ACCESS felt they had to rename the legacy 'Palm OS' anyway. Really!?!"

Really!?!

RE: Really!?!
relyons @ 1/25/2007 1:51:05 PM # Q
> Ryan said, "orly.jpg" and "yarly.jpg"

Really!?!

Really!?!

RE: Really!?!
freakout @ 1/25/2007 5:48:04 PM # Q
Featuring four spheres emanating from the word ACCESS, the logo is a metaphor for the technologies and products ACCESS generates, incubates and releases to the world. The dynamic arc crowning the logo with the "Powered" element forming the foundation symbolizes the power contained within the product. Together these elements represent the technologies, products and industries ACCESS empowers.

Mmm hmmm. That's exactly what I thought when I looked at the new logo: "Woah, how powerful!"

RE: Really!?!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/25/2007 6:37:36 PM # Q
Strangely, I instantly (and, I might add, irrevocably) thought of something sinking into the ocean!

RE: Really!?!
stonemirror @ 1/26/2007 12:44:28 PM # Q
However, ACCESS felt they had to rename the legacy 'Palm OS' anyway.

A contractual obligation, going back a couple of years.

Really.


RE: Really!?!
relyons @ 1/26/2007 4:34:01 PM # Q
stonemirror said, "A contractual obligation, going back a couple of years."

Interesting. I didn't find such any requirement in the ACCESS press release archive.

http://www.access-company.com/news/press/ACCESS/2005/20050908.html

Please site a source for your assertion. Thank you in advance.

RE: Really!?!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/26/2007 4:57:22 PM # Q
As someone who purports to be a PalmOS developer (giggle) you certainly are (1) naive about things PalmOS or (2) unable to do a 10 second Google search, calling into question the totality of your "development" skill (giggle).

-- http://www.access-company.com/developers/press/palm_faq.html

E.g.:

== "...Q. What will ACCESS name its version of Palm OS Garnet?
==
== A. We will be re-naming all our products with Palm-based names. As
== you may remember, we sold our rights in the Palm Trademark Holding
== Company last May (2005). As part of that deal, we agreed to change
== our then name—PalmSource--as well as all our Palm-based product
== and program names..."


RE: Really!?!
freakout @ 1/26/2007 5:29:09 PM # Q
stonemirror said, "A contractual obligation, going back a couple of years."

Interesting. I didn't find such any requirement in the ACCESS press release archive.

http://www.access-company.com/news/press/ACCESS/2005/20050908.html

Please site a source for your assertion. Thank you in advance.

Lol. He works for ACCESS. I'd take his word for it. :P

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RE: OT: The Unmaking Of Motorola
pmjoe @ 1/25/2007 3:30:28 PM # Q
Except it's the exact opposite of Palm. Motorola has a lot going for them right now, so they undercharged a bit for the RAZR but it's still a hot phone and sold well. Their cable modems and cable boxes (in particular high end) ones are everywhere too. This woman is bitching because she didn't get her pennies on the share, not because Motorola isn't selling quantity/quality products.

It's morons like this that cause companies like Palm to spend more money on name changes than producing products people want to buy. She wants her money now rather than have an established company for the long haul. Such is the world where the stock market rules over quality and service. Stick a quality product out there for a reasonable price and the investors rake you over the coals for not selling overpriced junk.

RE: OT: The Unmaking Of Motorola
LiveFaith @ 1/25/2007 8:07:39 PM # Q
Joe,

Public traded companies + increasingly greedy investors = bad business.

U R right.

Pat Horne

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So WTF?

mikecane @ 1/25/2007 5:46:38 PM # Q
ACCESS Garnet is Palm's Garnet? Except Palm has the trademark and calls it PalmOS. So Garnet is used by who again?

And what's up with Cobalt?

And does anyone give an eff for ALP? Linux?!!? After the scourging I've gotten from the Nokia 770, do you really think I want to touch that sh*t ever again?!!?

RE: So WTF?
hkklife @ 1/25/2007 9:05:40 PM # Q
The "PalmSource" version of Palm OS was used by, well, Zodiac (heavily tweaked) and currently by Janam and the handful of remaining small-time licensees.

The Palmified version of Palm OS ("FrankenGarnet") has grown/been patched/hacked into quite a different beast than the "original" version of OS 5 that Access owns.

Access Garnet is likely not going to appear on any new devices from here on out.

Palm's hacked & extended version will be called "Palm OS" from here on.

Cobalt is dead but I figure Palm MAY lift a few of its best bits if the price is very, very right to merge into FrankenGarnet 5.5 (what they are presumably working on currently for their lower end devices).

ALP will probably appear, if ever, only on Asian-market smartphones like the kind Haier demoed last year.


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RE: So WTF?
BaalthazaaR @ 1/26/2007 5:09:45 PM # Q
"Cobalt is dead but I figure Palm MAY lift a few of its best bits if the price is very, very right to merge into FrankenGarnet 5.5 (what they are presumably working on currently for their lower end devices). "

Kinda sad to see that Palmsource doesn't have Cobalt listed on their site like before.

Kinda wondering... Maybe this has already been done, but I'm relatively new to this site... Does anyone have any info as to why Palm themselves did not switch to Cobalt when they owned it? From briefly playing with the simulator, it looked good.... Did PIC interview someone from Access who was high up in the Cobalt team? Someone who would know what happened and why? I can't imagine that that info would need to remain hidden any longer since Access and Palm both seem to not want anything to do with Cobalt.

RE: So WTF?
uuhh @ 1/29/2007 7:04:58 AM # Q
They decided that Linux community will help them to support their new genius Linux port. Bunch of idiots

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A question to TVoR

sungod @ 1/25/2007 7:36:56 PM # Q
I know your on a self enforced exile right now but i have a question for you. Well a few questions but they all sorta lead into each other. Why don't you believe Palm will ever use ALP? You keep telling us that they don't have the coders to build there own stable OS to compete with WinMob and Symb on a technical level. If they don't just want to be another WinMob Manufacture wouldn't their best option to be the first to jump on the ALP bandwagon and still have legacy Palm app support? If they are not completely happy with ALP they could use there meager team of coders to create a PalmOS style GUI to overlay whatever Access brings to market? If they do not wish to use ALP why did they enter into a joint development deal which required them to pay Access (which they managed to get out of because Access dragged their ass) large sums of money(cant remember the amount)?
I do enjoy reeding your posts and would like to here your answers to my questions.

on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero
RE: A question to TVoR
mikecane @ 1/26/2007 11:27:12 AM # Q
It's bloody obvious:

1) It's a huge kludge and would confuse the eff out of people

2) They'd have to pay royalties

3) They'd legitimize a competitor OS

4) Their destiny would be in the hands of others (as if they have a destiny at this point...)

RE: A question to TVoR
mikecane @ 1/26/2007 11:29:14 AM # Q
I should have put in a comment about azzez, but I can't sink to his level...

RE: A question to TVoR
sungod @ 1/26/2007 5:19:54 PM # Q
But they already "legitimize a competitor OS" in using Win Mob, which is “a huge kludge” and very confusing. I love showing customers how easy it is to switch from landscape to portrait on a T|X compared to a iPaq.
They where also quite willing to pay royaltys to both PalmSource & Microsoft leaving them to control the destiny of both OS's.
How would licensing ALP change their situation from what it was before the perpetual licensing agreement?
P.S. Who's Azzez? You're not talking about the little kid with the mirror from the beginning of The Fifth Element? “Azzez Light!!”

on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero
RE: A question to TVoR
cervezas @ 1/26/2007 7:46:05 PM # Q
I know your on a self enforced exile right now but i have a question for you. Well a few questions but they all sorta lead into each other. Why don't you believe Palm will ever use ALP?

You're new here, aren't you? :-) The idea of asking TVoR a question like this is a little like the idea that you'd ask the guy under the viaduct who's screaming obscenities and stinking of MD40.

The reason no one is expecting Palm to use ALP is because:
(a) they've never said a single word of encouragement or interest in it, whereas they showed plenty of interest in PalmSource's pre-acquisition Linux OS, and
(b) they've just spent $44M for the right to use the Palm OS Garnet code to build their own next-generation version of the Palm OS. Read Palm's press release.

The fact that they've done this isn't necessarily because they think ALP is a bad product, by the way. Just that they don't see a good enough alignment between their own business goals and those of ACCESS to trust that ALP will go the way they need it to go in the future. For example, they may be wondering if ACCESS is going to be totally focused on handsets, when Palm plans to diversify their offerings into other kinds of devices that won't get the same attention from ACCESS. They also may be worried that ALP could end up in so many products made by competitors that Palm will lose it's ability to differentiate their own products. There are lots of good reasons to have control over both hardware and system software. It's worked for Palm in the past. It's also worked well for Apple.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: A question to TVoR
sungod @ 1/26/2007 10:19:27 PM # Q
I have been reading posts on this site for over a year and have only posted occasionally. Originally I was waiting to here word on when cobalt was going to be released. Any way I now have a T|X but I should of god a T5 I don't need WiFi but I'm not stressed about it.
I knew exactly what to expect from TVoR, he's like a good talk back host you may hate his guts but he always gets the talk going.
But my major question wasn't why aren't they using ALP but how are they not going to use it and still compete. The only way they could hope to get a stable OS to market before they die (if TVoR's rants are correct and there code team is crap) is if they have been secretly working on it under the assumption that they would eventually buy the code back off PalmSource.
The only reason they managed that was because Access didn't receive their payment after failing to reach a target set in the joint development agreement and presumably needed the money.
On a side note I just had a thought (head still throbbing) is Cobalt's code base included in the deal or just Garnet? I don't remember reading anything that specific on the subject.


on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero

RE: A question to TVoR
sungod @ 1/26/2007 11:14:40 PM # Q
Now that I think about it its prob been closer 2 years

on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero
RE: A question to TVoR
t3h @ 1/27/2007 5:04:27 AM # Q
> They also may be worried that ALP could end up in so many products made by competitors that Palm will lose it's ability to differentiate their own products.

Well, if that happens, it's goodbye Palm, I'm getting the competition's unit if it runs ALP and Palm sticks with FrankenGarnet. I mean, the only thing that really keeps me using Palm OS is that it's not Windows Mobile, and I'm familiar with it...

Palm TX + 1GB SD + Motorola v3x = awesomeness

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Again...

razorpit @ 1/25/2007 9:27:14 PM # Q
Again I wish theses guys would put forth half the effort in the software as they do buying and selling these business units, renaming themselves, and changing logos. I would love to be the company that supplies them their letterhead and business cards. I would be a millionaire by now.

--Dave

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