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More ACCESS Linux Platform Photos from 3GSM

ACCESS Linux Platform at 3GSM 2007Josť Julio Ruiz from PDA Expertos has just posted a series of photographs from ACCESS' booth at the 3GSM World Congress in Barcelona. Josť has posted a gallery of shots of from a ALP demo system on display at the ACCESS booth and also a pic of a developer phone running ALP. Also shown are a number of screens of the home screen, Applications launcher and Garnet VM controls. Read on for a few pics and a video, you can check out the full gallery in English or Spanish. Update: A video of ALP has been added.

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ALP Home screen running on a Monahans (ARM) processor and Marvell development board.

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ALP Applications launcher.

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Phone status screen.


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iPr0n

legodude522 @ 2/14/2007 12:14:35 AM # Q
It's like porn but better.

Palm m125 > Palm Zire 71 > Tapwave Zodiac 1 > Palm Zire 72 > Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000 + 4gb MicroDrive + Palm Tungsten T|3 (1100mah)
My T|3 is too [i]sexy[/i] for me.
RE: iPr0n
serpico @ 2/14/2007 1:24:08 AM # Q
I don't think so, those screenshots don't appear to be anything special.
RE: iPr0n
twrock @ 2/14/2007 2:08:15 AM # Q
lego's still hoping for some "open cover" shots. Alas, just a teaser with the box all closed up. ;-)


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

RE: iPr0n
KultiVator @ 2/14/2007 4:41:37 AM # Q
Bingo - Palm's 3rd business is to develop radical new form-factors - like this new ultra-unportable unit (they may be calling it a development unit - but kids, we know better - it's Palm's new Treo form-factor!)

All that chunkiness and not a thumb-board in sight!

K*

RE: iPr0n
cervezas @ 2/14/2007 1:07:12 PM # Q
I think you're onto something, there. On closer examination it's quite clearly an ALP-powered phone booth! See the coin slot to the left of the screen and the other below it to return your change (you know, for those pricey long-distance calls)? Imagine it with a few pieces of chewing gum stuck to it and you'll slap yourself for not seeing it before!

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
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'Simulator'...?

stonemirror @ 2/14/2007 9:09:39 AM # Q
That's not a "phone hardware development simulator", or a simulator of any sort: it's a Marvell development board, based on a Monahans (ARM) processor. These sorts of systems aren't intended to be anything like form-factor.

(In fact there is a thumb board: it's to the right of the monitor, below the 5-way/superkey cluster...)

RE: 'Simulator'...?
Ryan @ 2/14/2007 11:47:19 AM # Q
Thanks Lefty, wish I could be there to decipher these things.
RE: 'Simulator'...?
stonemirror @ 2/14/2007 12:14:13 PM # Q
I wish I was there, too: it's warm in Barcelona. However, I'm in New York this week, for Linux Foundation meetings, where it's about 26 degrees and sleeting...

Well, I knew the job was dangerous when I took it...

RE: 'Simulator'...?
cervezas @ 2/14/2007 12:51:38 PM # Q
Those Fastap keypads are kind of interesting to me. I notice ALP supports full alphanumeric keypads off the shelf, so I can see why it's there on the development board. One thing I find frustrating about the Treo is that it's hard to find the number keys without looking closely at what you're doing. The Fastap key layout gives you a full alphanumeric keypad like a Treo, but with the numeric keys privileged as they should be (for someone who sees voice as the most important app on a smartphone).

I notice we're starting to get these here in the U.S. with the advent of the LG AX490. Ugly as sin, but a company with an ounce of design sense could fix that fairly easily.

http://www.digitwireless.com/

By the way, hasn't Marvell supplied you guys with a "dual head" version of that board yet, David? I'm not sure I could go back to using just one "monitor" when I'm programming. ;-)

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: 'Simulator'...?
stonemirror @ 2/14/2007 2:00:06 PM # Q
Well, ultimately the keypad's there on the development board because Marvell puts it there.

I think there may be a facility on that board to support a secondary display...

RE: 'Simulator'...?
scstraus2 @ 2/21/2007 7:30:12 PM # Q
Who the hell uses a keypad to dial people's phone numbers anymore? Have you ever heard of an address book application? You're not in the 1980's any more man. About 1 out of 100 calls do I need a keypad. The other 99 I need a qwerty.

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Interesting

mikecane @ 2/14/2007 9:29:17 AM # Q
Fatter scrollbars for one. But I hate that they took Foo's advice and went with a title bar. What a waste of screen real estate!

As for people here in the US who don't give a damn about this OS, I'm certain ACCESS doesn't give a damn about YOU. There are a BILLION Chinese and a BILLION people in India vs US. It can be a roaring success without us *ever* seeing it.

RE: Interesting
stonemirror @ 2/14/2007 12:39:32 PM # Q
Those are features of that particular theme. All of this can be customized...

RE: Interesting
cervezas @ 2/14/2007 12:42:01 PM # Q
It can be a roaring success without us *ever* seeing it.

I think there are quite a few here who would object to you confusing "us" with U.S.

But ignoring that for the moment, there are so many ways that the mobile market could develop in the U.S. that it's hard to discount the prospect of ALP devices showing up here except in the shortest term (I doubt you and I are going to be the first to see one, Mike).

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Interesting
stonemirror @ 2/14/2007 1:00:42 PM # Q
No, I expect I'll have seen one before either of you guys do.


RE: Interesting
twrock @ 2/14/2007 6:15:20 PM # Q
Those are features of that particular theme. All of this can be customized...

...and some of it is already being customized in Garnet with programs like PalmRevolt.


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

RE: Interesting
mikecane @ 2/15/2007 9:45:08 AM # Q
>>>I think there are quite a few here who would object to you confusing "us" with U.S.

Let them object. If I could read the Chinese, Indian, and Japanese languages, I'm sure there'd be plenty of comments likewise on those sites, and it's THEIR right to say so too. Stop being PC, you nit.

It seems there are some posters here who know something about ALP. Do tell.

I hope, unlike that abomination on the Nokia (anti-)Internet Tablets, Linux has been done *right* here. I'd really like to try this thing for myself.

RE: Interesting
stonemirror @ 2/15/2007 11:34:53 AM # Q
David raises a valid point: it's a large world out there, and while the US cell phone market may be the only one which matters to you, Mike, it's neither the largest nor (and how this pains me!) the most advanced cell phone market around. We're a global company, and we have a global business.

I share what information I can, and I try to be responsive when possible. I'm not going to be sharing licensee or other customer plans, nor am I going to be ammouncing device release date, specific licensees or customers, or other such information--that's not my department, and it's up to the licensee whether they're willing to have that done by usat all--so please don't bother asking. As they say in Japan, "Chotto muzukashii desu...": "That might be a little difficult..."

And, as I've pointed out in the past, my occasional participation is one hundred percent contingent on the ability of other participants to act as though they're adults discussing technology and business issues. The instant things devolve into the fifth grade, and the pointless name-calling, personal attacks, sexual harassment, etc., start up, I'm outa here like a shot.


RE: Interesting
stonemirror @ 2/15/2007 11:48:05 AM # Q
...some of it is already being customized in Garnet with programs like PalmRevolt.

That's a nifty hack for Garnet, but it's not the sort of customization that carriers, for instance, are looking for...


RE: Interesting
mikecane @ 2/15/2007 2:19:58 PM # Q
stone: SHOVE your PC, man. I'm sick of you twats looking at things the wrong way.

I CLEARLY said:

>>>It can be a roaring success without us *ever* seeing it.

I made the same point you just did, you holier-than-thou eejit.

RE: Interesting
stonemirror @ 2/15/2007 5:41:07 PM # Q
...and I'm only saying that because I care--there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing...
(Val Kilmer as "Chris Knight" in Real Genius)

RE: Interesting
cervezas @ 2/15/2007 6:43:33 PM # Q
Chill out, Mike. I wasn't arguing with you and I wasn't trying to be "PC." Just giving a polite nod to folks in the room like twrock, freakout, ChiA, Kultivator, Surer, rsc1000, toyspring, joe77, grimpeur as well as the anonymous lurkers that don't live in the U.S.

Looks like most of the people participating in this conversation aren't from the US, which is just an idle observation, but sort of interesting nonetheless. I wonder why that is?

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: Interesting
mikecane @ 2/16/2007 10:01:46 AM # Q
Since when is twrock out of the US? I thought he lived here.

All those non-natives can come back to gloat and tell us all about ALP if they're able to actually buy a device that has it. I'll be the first in line to read their comments.

RE: Interesting
twrock @ 2/17/2007 12:30:20 AM # Q
Yeah, I hop around, but the vast majority of the time (90%?) I'm not in the US.


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/

RE: Interesting
mikecane @ 2/17/2007 2:27:39 PM # Q
I'm probably confusing you with someone else. Another reason why I despise handles.

RE: Interesting
mikecane @ 2/17/2007 2:28:23 PM # Q
BTW, thanks for that Vista link. I used it on my blog. It also tells me I'd better stick with XP for some time...

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Not-quite-vaporware

atrizzah @ 2/15/2007 1:57:07 AM # Q
Well, I guess we can't say anymore that there isn't actually an ALP. I can also only assume that they're going with some kind of multi-application paradigm with this new OS. It looks as though they've added some features not seen before, such as some kind of mouse feature. Other than that, visually, it looks like same old Palm OS, albeit with a much needed UI update. I wonder if they're even going to attempt to challenge Apple in the eye-candy/bell & whistle department?

Peace Out
Alan
RE: Not-quite-vaporware
KultiVator @ 2/15/2007 7:05:50 AM # Q
> Other than that, visually, it looks like same old Palm OS, albeit with a much needed UI update.

Yeah - kinda spooky seeing some of the stock Palm OS dialog boxes / pop-ups on a new device - although I realise that is just a cosmetic thing, most likely aimed at giving old Palm OS die-hards like us some feeling of continuity?

I just wonder what a device with such a large screen and large thumb-board would actually look like? And how usable the new mouse pointer functionality will be in real life.

Interesting stuff all the same - but lacks some of the wow-factor that the iPhone exudes with it's (battery draining????) transitions and other eye-candy!

KultiVator

RE: Not-quite-vaporware
mikecane @ 2/15/2007 9:48:21 AM # Q
The Zune has some similar zooming transitions of the iPhone. I've yet to read anyone squawking about the battery hit those make. The major issue of the iPhone is driving that 320x480 screen itself, then adding WiFi and Bluetooth, and cellular radios. But then certain people have been enjoying those kinds of things for years in PalmLand... Anyone complaining about, for instance, the TX battery life? I don't know.

RE: Not-quite-vaporware
freakout @ 2/15/2007 9:56:36 AM # Q
Anyone complaining about, for instance, the TX battery life?

If it was a phone, I imagine they would.

RE: Not-quite-vaporware (OT)
twrock @ 2/15/2007 7:45:19 PM # Q
OT re: KV's thumb board reference.

How many of you have tried Scott R's Thumbboard app from over at Tapland? I find it actually usable (vs. the tiny little buttons on alternate apps). It's got a "standard" qwerty layout and both visual/auditory feedback (configurable). It is still in beta, but works with most Palm apps.


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

RE: Not-quite-vaporware
mikecane @ 2/16/2007 10:03:27 AM # Q
>>>If it was a phone, I imagine they would.

It might be.

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WTF?! Video shows a mouse pointer?!!?

mikecane @ 2/15/2007 9:53:06 AM # Q
What's that about?!

RE: WTF?! Video shows a mouse pointer?!!?
rsc1000 @ 2/15/2007 10:16:10 AM # Q
I assume that in the video, it is not showing a reference handset - it looks tethered. So i'm thinking it is just screen + controls and all of the actual processing is happening on either a desktop sim or one of these dev board. I don't know how the dev boards work - but if this is an x68 based sim we are seeing then that fully accounts for that rather Windows-ish mouse. Note that it also seems that the actual navigation and UI usages is happening via the mouse - not the controls of the device. We never see the touchscreen used either.
Not that this means anything other then that was the convenient way for them to demo; if it runs on the dev board then it can run on actual hardware.

RE: WTF?! Video shows a mouse pointer?!!?
Ryan @ 2/15/2007 11:18:29 AM # Q
I would think that is so that non-touchscreen handsets can use the Garnet VM, as a way to emulate a stylus.
RE: WTF?! Video shows a mouse pointer?!!?
sungod @ 2/16/2007 4:55:47 PM # Q
That curser isnt moving like a mouse driven curser.
The person holding the phone is cotroling it with the 4way controler.
If they are going to build in that sort of functionality for non touch screen phones it would be great to have a nipple like the old laptops.
Far more intuitive than a 4way that only givs you straight up/down and left/right.

on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everyone drops to zero
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Another ALP video

mikecane @ 2/15/2007 2:21:52 PM # Q
Of course I found it because no one else bothered to look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaGcMg38RE

And this is on an *actual handset*.

Looks too bloody slow for me. All those blank screens would drive me mad. Now I think I understand the LifeDrive HD delay objections...

RE: Another ALP video
Surur @ 2/15/2007 3:08:01 PM # Q
That device looks like a Quanta made handset. They commonly distribute via O2 Asia.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
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RE: Another ALP video
mikecane @ 2/16/2007 10:04:11 AM # Q
So how successful have all those WinMob PDAs been, surur? ROTFLMAO.

RE: Another ALP video
Surur @ 2/18/2007 5:46:06 PM # Q
Strange question - Win Mob has the majority of the PDA market, and is doing pretty well in the smartphone market.

If you are referring to Quanta making ALP smartphones also, in addition to Win Mob smartphones, then the fact is that Quanta is mostly an ODM, and they will make smartphones with anyone's OS on it, even GarnetOS ;) They are pretty successful with WM devices, making pretty high priced, high end devices.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml

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