Comments on: HP: A Transformational Deal for the Mobile Market
HP held an conference call with investors and analysts on the Palm acquisition. In the call Todd Bradley, executive vice president, Personal Systems Group, HP laid out the motivations behind the transaction. Mr. Bradley remarked that it represents a "transformational deal for the connected mobile device market" and he gave a few details and hints about HP's plans for the future of webOS.
Mr. Bradley made a point to highlight that webOS lends itself to additional mobile form factors and he stressed the benefits of owning the entire mobile experience. He said that HP sees opportunities in other mobile form factors and market segments for the platform. In specific, larger slate style devices were mentioned a number of times as well as "potential netbooks." He remarked that HP had gone through the due diligence to confirm that webOS would be able to support such future products. When pressed in the Q&A he declined to give any sort of timeframe or potential product roadmap.
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The Revenge of hp
This is their chance to correct that huge mistake.
Damn, this is going to be so incredibly interesting!!
webOS vs. Android is going to be a battle to the death. Apple will remain, but Android is now in real danger.
RE: The Revenge of hp
..sorry i must respectfully disagree unless WebOS gets licensed. But don't think HP-Palm will look to license it (& more or less give it away for free like Android is). They now have their own OS, they will keep it & nurture it like Apple does for the iPhone/iPad OS. Its HP's dream to make everything HP they have to get in every nook & cranny & have their own drivers & blah, blah, blah.. [don't get me wrong every Co wants its own thing] .. but i feel that HP hurts itself by getting into needed to have its printing software installed, etc, .. just give me the driver & let me deal with the rest.
Palm & WebOS will be good for them, they will get to start early to make the 'world' (as they see it) HP (& Palm).
& i agree HP purchase of Palm is probably one of the best things to happen to Palm, they will be a good fit for all that HP does, they can have links to HP camera, printers, digital photo frames, slates, netbooks, etc. HP will have their own microcosm...
..but they will not be a threat to Android. (At least outside of HP) .. Android's biggest threat as i see it is Google itself & how it will or will not commit to the platform. Sure for now its 'Hot' & hopefully as all the playing fields level out they will continue to support it properly. Apple will be Apple & do what it does. Microsoft will be itself & get there (Windows phone 7 is a good step in that direction & as they more & more synchronize their efforts (XBOX, Win Phone 7, Win 7, Office, Zune, etc) they will be more & more mainstream too (mobile devices i mean)). RIM i think has enough of a head start & long enough claws that they'll be around & a force to recon with for quite some time. Nokia .. well it will be interesting... i know the rest of the world is Nokia (Symbian & non smart phones) but to really play in the 'smart phone' mobile computing area, they really need to get it together. Maybe Symbian ^3 is it, i'm not sure, but i think they really need to get behind 1 solid system & push. They can do it, they know how, they just need to commit (IMHO).
..but you are right this is going to be interesting.
-painted dog
RE: The Revenge of hp
Peace Out
Alan
RE: The Revenge of hp
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RE: The Revenge of hp
Compare the mobile phone sector with Apple, RIM, Windows Phone 7, Android, Nokia's S^3/Meego, WebOS and various peripheral players to the PC market where you have essentially WINDOWS and a niche market for Apple. Even if this field shakes down to 3-4 viable OS's, it is still an improvement over the PC sector as more competition will benefit consumers.
RE: The Revenge of hp
Apple: Major
RIM: Corporate.
WinPhone 7: Vapor.
Android: Google-only -- and look where Nexus One got them!
Nokia: Puhleeze. Stop being silly!
webOS: Can grab Apple haters, RIM haters, and newbies.
RE: The Revenge of hp
RE: The Revenge of hp
I don't think anyone believes only Apple can create things, but then again you like at something as simple as the ipad - executed perfectly.
Palm has another opportunity with HP; hopefully they don't blow it.
looking forward to the HP Slate with webOS.
RE: looking forward to the HP Slate with webOS.
Can't wait for a WebOS slate
As with other deals, I am willing to bet all of the recent announcements were just going through the motions and this deal has been brewing for months.
I think the only reason this was sprung was the fact that all of the negative press and the impact to current/future sales. I think just HPs backing will step up presence at the big carriers.
I hope the fruits of this union come faster than the MS pink phones from the old Danger group.
M$ Licensing?
MS has years of history of complaining they have a stake in LINUX and want to get paid for it.
Sure, HTC has a couple of obvious points to compel (or "encourage") them into such an agreement (not wanting to alienate MS whom they still manufacture devices for, and their already potentially tough fight with Apple), but doesn't this pose a risk to WebOS in that it shares the same kernel with Android?
Perhaps MS didn't go after Palm before this becasue they didn't think they had much to gain, but now that HP is potentially covering the cost of such a fight and/or license revenue, does it change the game?
RE: M$ Licensing?
We've already seen Asus hardball MS on XP pricing to replace Linux on netbooks.
So, I really don't think MS is in any position to try to push around hp. The same hp that also offered a Linux alternative on its netbook too.
RE: M$ Licensing?
With HP having something to lose too if they put their eggs into the WebOS basket, or even if they want to maintain multiple OS options, they might as well license friendly than drain treasure in an IP litigation.
Not "Pre-verted", nor Android Assimilated, BB Bummered...
Hey, you stock/finance wonks!
What's their payday now based on the hp acquisition?
RE: Hey, you stock/finance wonks!
Palm and HPQ filed a bunch of useful filings with the SEC - read them.
RE: Hey, you stock/finance wonks!
Who, me? That's YOUR job, dammit!
Possibilities, good and bad...
That said, the proof for most developers will be in the pudding. HP has often been slow in bringing concept hardware to the market ready stage (the Slate being a great example). I think the first HP Web OS devices need to start rolling out by the end of the year. I don't know that that will happen however.
In the meantime, tons of iPads keep being sold, and a slew of Android tablets are just around the corner. Web OS showed up too late to garner the attention it deserves. Here's hoping that the same won't be true in the emerging battle ground of tablet devices. If HP doesn't get any Web OS momentum going though, look for them to step up Windows development.
I'm also concerned that, now that Palm isn't making the hardware decisions any more, we may start to see some inefficient designs. I have nothing against expanding choices, but something like the physical qwerty accessible in portrait mode was pioneered in some respects by Handspring, and it has been a hallmark of Palm smartphones since that time. I would hate to see something like that go the way of the dodo, just because a couple engineers at HP love their soft keyboards or horizontal qwerty.
HP has never, to my knowledge at least, owned it's own operating system. It will be interesting to see if they know how to handle it. Could be a huge culture clash. Something that usually ends in disaster.
RE: Possibilities, good and bad...
treo007 wrote:
HP has never, to my knowledge at least, owned it's own operating system. It will be interesting to see if they know how to handle it. Could be a huge culture clash. Something that usually ends in disaster.
They have never owned their own idiot on the street OS. They own HP UNIX, Tru64 UNIX, Tandem NSK, VMS, etc to name a few (the last two being acquired by Compaq before HP acquired them).
RE: Possibilities, good and bad...
Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Amazing.
And yet the Zune is still alive...
*Check out who wrote that article! Snicker.
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Every so often I take stock of the form factors of the devices that I use regularly and try to decide if it's time for a change. I *would* have liked the triad of Centro, Courier and X200. If a decent PalmOS emulator arrives for Android, I now might move to just HTC EVO and X200. And if iPhone 4G is impressive I might do Centro, iPhone 4G (or new iPod Touch) and X200. Damn Microsoft!
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Nothing substantial; the technology isn't there to produce a Courier device yet.
Maybe in a few years.
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Do you really believe that?
The ONLY things that could have been a problem are battery life and cost. The parts - from processor to screen - are a trivial exercise.
The Courier is the first new design I've seen since the smartphone that is significant:
- PC
- Laptop
- PDA
- Smartphone
- Courier (dual screened folding tablet)
The Courier is the design that will allow computers to finally replace books everywhere. If Apple can morph an iPad into a similar form factor and get decent handwriting and speech recognition engines, they will create another revolution more significant than the iPod and iPhone combined.
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
screen technology - low power display tech needed - not there yet.
form factor looks intriguing but who knows if it's viable? mocked up videos don't mean squat.
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
I'd love to see Fujitsu come out with a dual screened Tablet PC with solid state hard drive, a high end mobile processor and a decent battery. Add ritePen, Evernote, Office, Windows Speech Recogniton and create a multitasking MONSTER. Unfortunately, the Walmart types and trailer trash drooling over the iPad could never afford caviar like a dual screened Tablet PC, so vendors pandering to the lowest common denominator will continue unabated.
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
I'm pretty sure you're trolling for this response FJH so... you're so full of shit!
Gary
Tech Center Labs
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
iPad is for easily manipulated Hale-Bop Apple Cultists. Trailer Trash with money, but trailer trash nontheless.No doubt you'll disagree, since you sell iPhone/iPad apps. So be it.
iPad makes little sense. Add a thin keyboard and USB slots to it, a Foleo-style user-(relatively)accessible battery and fix the WiFi (and printing?) issues and then maybe we'll talk. Maybe. Who the hell wants to lug around a laptop-sized device with no keyboard? Seriously. An HTC EVO paired with a decent Samsung netbook makes infinitely more sense in my books.
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Fake Jeff Hawkins wrote:
An HTC EVO paired with a decent Samsung netbook makes infinitely more sense in my books.
I'd go with an Asus or Acer 11.6"/12" CULV machine instead of an anemic Atom-based netbook but that's just me...
But yeah, when you can have 800x480+ resolution (especially what Apple's got cooked up for iPhone 4, huh?) and 4"+ screen on a smartphone, I would honestly start to question the usefulness of a tablet.
P.S. I think Apple's going to piss off a lot of middle-aged soccer moms/milfs/executive types with iPhone 4. 960x640 on a screen SMALLER than what all prior iPhones have employed? Thats just asking for eyestrain and seems like a strangely Palm-esque move. The dubious new "feature" of higher pixel density may put off a lot of FJH's trailer park types used to the coarse, chunky, and easy to read ~160 DPI of the 320x480 iPhones.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid + Verizon Palm Centro
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
I agree - I use a 12 inch Lenovo tablet, but it costs 5 times the price of a netbook. The Average Joe won't appreciate the difference between the Lenovo and the cheap netbook.
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Whoever said the screen of the 4g will get smaller??
Thats just asking for eyestrain and seems like a strangely Palm-esque move. The dubious new "feature" of higher pixel density may put off a lot of FJH's trailer park types used to the coarse, chunky, and easy to read ~160 DPI of the 320x480 iPhones.
Why would that put anyone off? if anything, the fonts on the 4g will be sharper and easier to read.
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Did you not read the HUGE Gizmodo-gate hands-on report (and the ensuing wranglings by Apple's legal dept)????
• Slightly smaller screen than the 3GS (but seemingly higher resolution)
At any rate, for a class-leading device like the iPhone, going backwards in any key spec such as screen size is a move out of Palm's playbook. Apple could quite easily have used some of that excess bezel space to go for a 3.6/3.7" LCD.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid + Verizon Palm Centro
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
Gotta disagree there.
First of all, are you SURE about the iPhone 4G's specs?
Secondly, I think a 3.5 - 3.7 inch screen might be the best compromise between viewing area and pocketability. The HTC phones with 4 - 4.3.inch screens just look too damn BIG to be pocketable. I'd feel like I had a shoe pressed to my ear if I tried to use one of those monstrosities as a phone.
Thirdly, I don't think iPhone specs matter as much as they do with other phones. People buying an iPhone are buying the total PACKAGE:
- Apple brand
- iTunes compatibility
- huge selection of easily accessible, popular apps in AppStore
- fashion statement
- user interface
- better than average build quality
Furthermore, the fact that millions of people switched to a low quality network (AT&T) just to get the iPhone illustrates perfectly the degree to which iPhone fans will put up with less than ideal conditions. A smaller screen would just be spun by Apple as allowing for better pocketability than the competition and would immediately become a non-issue. Apple has the "best" overall package right now and the competition is not going to significantly erode Apple's lead in the smartphone market any time soon by simply adding destroyer-class screens to poorly-integrated platforms.
FJH
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
• Slightly smaller screen than the 3GS (but seemingly higher resolution)
I read all of the gizmodo articles and their teardown of the *prototype* 4g shows the physical dimensions of the phone are very close to the 3GS.
The screen size is not mentioned; just that "it appears smaller".
Considering gizmodos lack of journalistic integrity in this matter, I'd wait until we see an actual production device before complaining about the small screen of the prototype 4g.
RE: Microsoft drops the Courier project!
No one would ever accuse me of being an Apple cultist, but I really hope Apple sues the hell out of Gizmodo over this. The thief and Gizmodo's actions were beyond pathetic and they keep changing their story. Now the lawyer for the dipshit that stole the prototype is admitting that the thief never tried to return the phone and that he actually TOOK it from the original person that had found it. He then shopped it around to a few tech sites until Gizmodo bit.
The thief and Gizmodo knew EXACTLY who's phone it was, they knew it was a prototype and made NO effort to return it. (I've found phones before and it's ridiculously easy to return them. Even if there's no owner name listed, by returning a text or phone call on the phone you can let someone who knows the phone's owner know you found the phone. Another option is returning it to the carrier, who can read the serial # or SIM and then contect the owner) To make matters worse, Gizmodo published the name of the Apple engineer who had lost the phone, hoping to get even more hits for their story. What next - publish the guy's personal emails, address book, photos and text messages? Laughably the Gizmodo idiots then tried to defend their actions by claiming that they are "journalists" and thus were immune to having to reveal their sources, etc. The sad fact is that the term "journalist" applies to them about as much as it does to the millions of blogging hacks like Michael Cane who are pecking out their screed on a Commodore Vic 20 in a pizza box-strewn hovel.
The Apple engineer who lost the phone was extremely irresponsible to have gotten drunk and lost something so valuable that he had been entrusted to protect. (He probably deserves to be fired, but won't be because it would generate bad publicity for Apple.) But this stupid mistake does not give Gizmodo the right to then sodomize and mock the guy with their "Golly gee whiz, we really hope Steve doesn't fire this guy, because he REALLY likes working for Apple..." posts.
Wait until the police announce that they have recovered some illegal, depraved pornographic videos on the computers of the closeted Gizmodo editor that had posted the story. Little did he realize that he would be outed by this "clever" little escapade.
FJH
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