Comments on: Full HandEra 330 Information Available

The long awaited information on the new HandEra 330 is finally available. In some ways it is similar to current models from other licensees. For example, it has 8MB of RAM, 2 MB Flash memory, and runs the 33 MHz Motorola Dragonball VZ. It uses a version of OS 3.5 that has been tweaked for it, though HandEra is promising to offer OS 4.0 when it becomes available.

However, it is also boasts numerous new features. The HandEra 330's most impressive innovation is a soft Graffiti area giving it a 320x240 screen (with the Graffiti area off). Current Palm apps can either run in a 160x160 window or be stretched to fit in the new space. An interesting feature of the 16 grey-scale screen is that it offers landscape mode.

In addition to the Compact Flash slot its predecessor had, the 330 sports an SD/MMC slot. It also has a built-in microphone and an amplified speaker to do voice recording. It can record directly to RAM or CompactFlash or Secure Digital card.

HandEra plans to offer it for $350 by the end of June, first at Sam's Club and then HandEra's Web site, Office Depot, and other resellers. pdaMD is taking preorders now.

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Looks like Windows CE

tsuishui @ 4/20/2001 4:36:32 PM #
According to the photo, the new machine looks like a Windows CE device which is running CE 2.11 OS

RE: Looks like Windows CE
DvsMark @ 4/20/2001 11:16:30 PM #
Yeah, in your dreams. It only vaguely resembles a Windows CE machine. But, it spanks the new products from all the Palm OS competitors. Provided that this product is delivered to specs and is on target for the announced ship date, it basically has placed the new offerings from it's competitors into an earlier than expected obsolescence mode. It will eat the competition alive.

I'm just wondering where all the TRG/HandEra bashers are now, probably dishing up another slice of humble pie. I believe that TRG/HandEra is here to stay and they are definitely a formidable competitor in not just the Palm OS marketplace, but the PDA marketplace in general. Now my only question is who wants to buy one slightly used TRGPro? It's proven itself to be a great PDA, that, oh by the way, is still way ahead of the competition in "useable features".

HandEra will not have a color PDA for at least 12 months
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 1:57:11 AM #
In an interview with the Des Moines Register today, HandEra CEO and chairman, Micheal Downey stated that HandEra will not release a color HandEra for at least 12 months.
Oddly, last Friday, he also told a CNET reporter, "We don't have to sell millions of units. We don't even have to sell hundreds of thousands to make money on the product", suggesting that HandEra may be resigned to maintaining their role as a minor player on the Palm scene. It has been estimated that TRGPros account for less than 0.5% of the PalmOS devices currently being sold.

ATTN: TRG - "Average" PDA users want COLOR, not B+W.
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 1:28:13 PM #
TRG doesn't stand much of a chance selling many of these monochrome PDAs, since most people out there aren't power users. (I would bet that the power user market is < 10% of the entire market.) I doubt they will be around as an independent company for long.
I don't know many people who even consider monochrome once they have seen a similarly-priced color device. Color is an intuitive choice for most people, and the benefits of SoftGraffiti, two expansion slots, etc. are lost on everyone but power users like the people who read this site. Can you see a salesperson trying to explain the advantages of a HandEra 330 over the new color Sony? One look at the Sony screen will be all it takes to convince 95% of casual users to go with the Sony. Another sale lost for HandEra.
Don't fool yourselves into thinking typical buyers are even slightly interested in the features that power users get excited about.

RE: trgpro great product.
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 9:18:36 PM #
I own a trgpro. It has been a great product. I like the new product as well. If it were color
I would purchase one. Well the features are great but no color?


RE: Looks like Windows CE
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 11:39:18 PM #
anyone want a used TRGPro? I gotta have this monster.

I did want to hold out for the PalmV form factor goodie from the mothership,
but the features here seem too good to pass up!


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 4:57:13 PM #
The Sony Clie-700c is the only device coming out that even sounds relatively interesting. Handera? Monochrome? Please. And I suppose they will be asking $350+ for it. Handera's (TRG's) days are numbered.

RE: Cheesy
jayhawk88 @ 4/20/2001 5:55:43 PM #
Dude, the world doesn't revolve around color for some PDA users. Myself, I'd rather have longer battery life than color any day.

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 6:45:37 PM #

I know, what a friggen ignorant statement..

Some of us have more important uses for our PDA's than playing video games while listening to the latest M&M song ripped off from Napster.

When you move out of your parents house and stop popping zits you may start to understand.

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:41:45 PM #
Playing games isn't the only use for color. After uisng DateBk 4 on a Palm IIIc, I don't think I could ever go back to a monochrome Palm. Color-coded categories make it easy for a single glance at your appointments to convey MUCH more information.

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:08:55 PM #
I don’t think the responses are against color. They just think the guy is a ignorant retard. ;)

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:18:32 PM #

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 9:23:35 AM #
It amazes me how many people continually talk about the "new Sony" like there's been some official announcement that Sony will release it in the US this summer or something. It's only available in Japan, people! All you have right now are RUMORS and HOPES that Sony will release it in the US. Stop discussing it like it's US release is a foregone conclusion.

As for the 330, just admit that, color aside, it is the best PalmOS PDA released so far. Palm III form factor is not a big deal. Nor is the supposedly "ugly" case or high price. For comparison, I give you the Visor Platinum--possibly the butt-ugliest, cheapest-looking PDA out there, but also the fastest. The HandEra 330 wipes it.

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 10:57:28 AM #
Thanks for all of the well thought out, intelligent responses, from an obviously educated group of individuals....chimps.

RE: Cheesy
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 4:23:19 PM #
....I think it's eminem, not M&M, but I'm too old to know for sure.

this is cool

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:02:40 PM #
You guys are high- this thing is cool. Finally good resolution unlike the Palm m505 160x160

And soft graffiti. That's what palm should have done 5 years ago.

RE: this is cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:31:07 PM #
I agree. Since when did everyone become a PDA snob around here? And why does everyone think color = success. It hasn’t so far.

And it's not like this is "just another B&W PDA". This device has some new unique features that are quite practical and compliment the PDA concept nicely.

Just get a PocketPC if you guys are so starved for all these bells and whistles.


RE: this is cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 10:24:29 PM #
Yea, that's exactly what I did. Shame on Palm and its partners for choosing to be "simple" over innovative. If the tech industry as a whole has shown us one thing, no company got anywhere in the long run by standing still. This device is weak, as unfortunately, most Palm devices are these days. With the right focus, that company could have been great. Lastly, don't give me the market share argument either. I used to be a Palm disciple and had to switch because, stacked next to some PPC's, they absolutely seem like yesterday's news. The market share is eroding.

RE: this is cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 11:22:26 PM #
if you're so anti-palm and think all current palm-related handhelds are weak, why on earth are you spending time on palm infocenter's discussion boards?
for the record, i don't plan on getting a color handheld until someone makes a color screen worth looking at. even the m505 screen isn't good enough. i'd rather look at a crisp grayscale then the color currently available. oh, and i thiink this new handera device is pretty slick, the addition of an SD slot along with maintaining the same serial slot (so the same peripherals work) is making this handheld quite a bit tastier than the m500. of course, if size is a big issue, i can see this being a letdown for people looking for something as beefy as this in a palmV form factor.

RE: this is cool
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 2:08:46 PM #
I'm not "anti-palm". I however disappointed in them and feel that they've made some fatal mistakes. I think that they became somewhat full of themselves believing they, and only they, knew what users really wanted. I believe this is the biggest reason they didn't innovate.
I'm on a Palm board because, as a former hardcore Palm user, I'm interested in new devices and how (if at all) the platform can really be pushed. Like most of us here, I'm a PDA enthusiast. I surfed plenty of PPC boards before I switched too. I didn't know that showing up and expressing one's opinion was a crime. Rather, I think that's what these boards are for.


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:06:12 PM #
Could someone explain how this new resolution works and how applications will scale in it? Thanks.

RE: Resolution
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:36:17 PM #
Supposedly, it supports two display modes for legacy apps. Scale-to-fit and 1:1 mode. 95% of the legacy apps look great in scale to fit mode. The others can be run in a 160x160 box. The user can select which apps will be run in which mode. Hopefully, developers will start to convert their apps to take advantage of the high-res screen.


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:24:41 PM #
that looks like Quickword in Landscape Mode.

RE: Quickword
Ed @ 4/21/2001 12:19:13 AM #
It is. Quickword and Quicksheet come standard with the device and both work in landscape mode.

Palm Infocenter
RE: Quickword
fleegle @ 4/21/2001 12:02:25 PM #
I wonder if the current version of QuickWord and QuickSheet work in landscape mode or if they are special versions for the HandEra.

Now someone needs to make an adapter for the Palm Portable Keyboard so you plug the HandEra device sideways (in landscape mode).


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:35:58 PM #
Man, if it were available right now I would have a very difficult time deciding on what to do with my M505 preorder. That, and the fact that the screen isn't color.

I have to congratulate them on their innovations - two slots, landscape, soft-graffiti with mirroring, voice recorder... I'm glad someone is getting clever with the platform.

Reminds me of the Apple Lisa

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:44:26 PM #
Innovative, no doubt. Cool, no doubt. But destined to lay the foundation for other companies to
exploit the cool innovations. Just like the Apple Lisa. (Fine, Apple did okay after the Lisa with its
own schtick, but everything Apple ever did indirectly siphoned money straight to Gates.)

Face it: It's ugly, and uncool, and the name sounds stupid, and well-heeled executives are
going to spring for the Palm (or Edge) every time. HandEra has no cachet. And it's not color.

Get ready for the Palm 900 (hypothetical only!!!): V form factor, wireless, two slots, 320x320,
soft graffiti. That's when money will be made. We'll all be saying "Remember the HandEra?
That was a cool little thing. Ahead of its time ..."

RE: Reminds me of the Apple Lisa
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 6:16:50 PM #
I know of a lot of doctors who love the TRGpro because it was the only expandable Palm out there. That's changed with Palm's new models, Handspring, and Sony but I still think there is a market for HandEra if they play their cards right and their customers stay loyal.

RE: Reminds me of the Apple Lisa
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 3:38:29 AM #
Well-heeled executives have high-heeled secretaries taking care of their schedules. Besides, even if the secretaries are missing, how many of these are actually customers of PDA's compared to the normal foot-folk out there?

I think ANY PDA manufacturer would think the better of it just to cater to a small-well-heeled-executive market. They might as well close their doors if that is their concept.

I am not a well-heeled executive (therefore no high-heeled secretary following me around) and I want the expandability it provides me.

And what about color ? I agree with other comments made here, the market for color is not as large as people make it. I have yet to see a program that I would like to have in color mode. OK, I have played a bit with certain games where color would have been nice, but they usually don't stay on my Palm long enough anyway (for space AND time reasons). Datebook in color ? big deal. I can do without it, and most people I know ditto.

I would love to know what most people use their handheld device for. I bet for the large majority, color is a nice add-on but definitely not a must-have. The people that buy color-pda's either need to have the latest gadgets all the time (i used to be one of these) or just have too much money.

What do people put in their datebook that requires color differential anyway?

Monday 8 am: take dog for a walk (BLUE & BOLD)
Monday 9 am: take a pee (YELLOW, FONT 9, BOLD)
Monday 9:15: Go to work (RED, FONT 8, Italic)
Monday 9:30: arrive at work (GREEN, FONT 19, BOLD)
Monday 9:35: Chat with co-workers at coffee-machine
Monday 9:45: finally get the coffee (GREEN)
Monday 9:46: add sugar and milk (GREEN , BOLD) so I dont forget (RED BOLD)
Monday 9:50: arrive at work-station / office (BLUE)
Monday 9:51: turn on PC (RED, BOLD)
Monday 9:51: wait till windows loaded (10 minutes) GREEN
Monday 10:01: surf the net (CYAN)
Monday 11:58: prepare for lunch (RED)
etc, etc, etc.....

Very interesting to have color for these entries....

Color in Datebook 4
PFloyd @ 4/21/2001 11:07:53 AM #
I use color for some of my todo's. I color code by client or project some time. I don't have to do this but it's nice. I still my dump my Prism for an M500.

RE: Reminds me of the Apple Lisa (320x320)
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 12:43:46 AM #
Why would you want to keep the screen @ 320x320? for backward compatibility? Having a square screen forces the screen to remain to small to be of any use with the ton of information available from these things.

Handera have made the single biggest improvment for Palm since inception: Portrait/Landscape screen.

This will allow far better access to information. Color would be nice, but that is coming...

RE: Reminds me of the Apple Lisa
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 8:35:32 AM #
To the person w/o a secretary - it occurred to me that you are just the target market for such color pda's. It is apparent by your schedule that you spend too much time wasting it!

Your time used surfing the web could be spent more effectively by both you and your company-(speaking of color)your company should get you your pink slip and you may find it more cost efficient to upgrade to the color pda and surf the web at home(hence the reason most folks want color).

It has LOTS of NEW features - Many like the Sony CLIE and ..

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 5:44:59 PM #
The new HandEra PDA has a Ear Plug on the left side, near the bottom, for listening to sound files with head phones or earphone. Also, both the new ear plug and speaker will be able to be used with the upcoming CF Cell Phone attachment, much like the HandSpring Visor Phone.

It also has the famous Sony JOG dial, and also includes the new BACK button on the left hand side as well that Sony is incorporating on their new model 700.

I has improved speaker volume. It also has a Mic on-board now so one can record Voice Notes (and also use with the future planned CF Cell-phone attachment).

The case is also plastic, like the old one, but now Silver in color on the front, and black on the back. It also incorporates the new Lithium-Ion-polymer batter which will last a two weeks without recharging.

It is the same physical size as the Palm IIIxe, so one will be able to use all of their old cases and such.

The screen resolution has changed to 240x320. Old programs will be able to run in two modes, enhanced or legacy. The screen can also be tilted so as to appear to have a 320x240 screen (yes, the same, but sideways).

The Graffiti area is now virtual, so you can collapse it when you don't need it, giving one more screen space.

Lastly, the Back-Light is like the old Palm-Pilot style, unlike the current style, which should be a nice suprise.

One item I was unable to confirm or tell is wheather the new HandEra has a vibrating alarm mode along with the new Flashing LED "silent" alarm.

RE: It has LOTS of NEW features - Many like the Sony CLIE and ..
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:02:17 PM #
. . . and its friggin ugly!

RE: It has LOTS of NEW features - Many like the Sony CLIE an
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 10:46:33 PM #
...and it looks great. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm curious, what do people think is the best looking handheld? No consideration of function; which just has the best appearance?

RE: It has LOTS of NEW features - Many like the Sony CLIE and ..
PFloyd @ 4/21/2001 11:11:26 AM #
The M500 looks even better than the Vx. I think these are the best looking Palm/Clie/etc. you can buy.

Too much diversification?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 6:03:55 PM #
Is it possible that all of these licensees are creating too many variations in the Palm market, segregating the developers/users, ultimately creating sub-markets and weakening the platforms ability to compete against competitors like Microsoft?

BTW: I’m talking out of my ass. I just wanted to see what people thought. :)

RE: Too much diversification?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 2:03:54 AM #
Answer: Not too much, if Handspring gobbles up HandEra.
HandEra owns intellectual property on some of the innovations they have made. If they dont do
well in 12 months, someone will buy them and incorporate such a Palm device to make us weep.
(I hope).

Handspring had better watch out. They still dont have a "killer app" the potential is there
but the competition isnt far behind.
My hat is off to HandEra.

RE: Too much diversification?
atrizzah @ 4/23/2001 10:49:42 PM #
No way, diversification can't do anything but help the PalmOS. Many people are always complaining that Palms don't provide the functionality they need, but soon, once all these new generation Palms are out, there will be many choices for people: New clie for entertainment type individuals as an alternative to PPC, Prisms for people who like bright vibrant color, m505s for people who want the most out of a Palm V sized device, and Handera for the Power Users and corporations

Peace Out
RE: Too much diversification?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 1:16:28 PM #
I'm not concerned about diversification... I'm concerned about software/hardware incompatibilities through diversification. Let’s face it, the core platform is not becoming more diversified. The licensees are just kludging the hardware/software to get functionality that is really not there. It’s one thing if these licensees are diversifying the platform using built in capabilities, but they’re not. This will ultimately create incompatibilities throughout. How it affects the platform has yet to be seen.

I say these words out of concern. The current platform is tapped. Palm needed to come out with their Next-Gen-ARM Palms yesterday.


Good move!

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 6:35:41 PM #
As a former Palm user who now uses PPC, I have to admit that I like the new changes Handera added. I don't know if it is for everyone, but I commend them for being bold and setting new paths which other Palm based PDA makers will not doubly follow.

I waited a very long time for some of these changes to be included on Palm based PDAs, Notably the Softgrafiti area, (makes reading ebooks and other stuff so much better) Landscape is a huge added bonus which until now, mostly the PPC comunity was able to enjoy,better resolution, and the Voice Recorder is a huge welcome, (trust me it helps so much when you are driving and need to take a note to remember something). The additional slots are great and I think proves that the Palm OS can handle more than one attachment at a time. It's too bad it's not color, but I think some major inovation was done here.

It may just be me.. but I think it's the right direction Palm should of been heading too or at least trying to develope a long time ago. This are features the average user of the Palm OS can use on a daily bases. Wireless is great to have, but not everyone wants, needs, or can efford it. I always thought focusing so heavily on that area was a waste for the average user. These new addon's I thik make using the Palm OS as a PIM device so much more functional. I still wont go back to the Palm OS now, but if I had seen this before I purchased my Ipaq I would bought it in a second!

To get back and answer the post above.. I too have wondered if all these other vendors adding their own "nitch" to the Palm OS would diversify the market to much. With the exception of sony ( I think) no other vendor has come out with software that is only for their PDA. Hardware, yes...but Software.. I don;t think it has come to that yet..

RE: Good move!
mengshi @ 4/21/2001 11:58:19 PM #
TRGPro with its AutoCF for running programs "directly" and transparently from CF card is unique.

RE: Good move!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 9:01:27 AM #
I sagree. If that didnt exist i might not get the handera 330. But it does so im saving up..;)


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:05:11 PM #
i want one so bad! 2 card slots?!?!?! SOFT GRAFFITI?! AND A REAL SPEAKER/RECORDER....oh.,...i wonder how much $$ is will be though.

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:14:35 PM #
The site listed above says $350! Compared to the m500 ($400) there is no question. Get the HandEra!

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:29:41 PM #
You're right, there will be no reason aside from form-factor to get the M500! There's an article on this at -

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:05:34 PM #
The form factor is EVERYTHING, that is why Palm is succeeding ... Go for a M$ something if you don't care about the size.

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 6:13:24 PM #
I used to think that form factor was everything too...although most uneducated consumers might rely more on appearance I and moving from my vx to this device as sson as possible.

atrizzah @ 4/23/2001 10:55:36 PM #
Form factor is not everything, or else why would anyone buy those bricks they call PocketPC's? I agree that it's important, but not nearly as important as features and usability for the average user.

Peace Out

TRG Details

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:05:05 PM #
There is a good article on about the new TRG with a lot of the specs. The Casio-esque look leaves a bit to be desired, but some of the features are plain awesome.

Definitely a Palm m5xx killer!

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:22:41 PM #
The HandEra seems to wonderful PDA that I'm dreaming: metal case, high resolution, CF and SD expantions, voice record, reasonable price (US $349.99)...

RE: Definitely a Palm m5xx killer!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 10:08:41 PM #
I read somewhere that the case is plastic but looks like metal.

Flip cover?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:46:08 PM #
Does this thing come with a flip cover (like the Palm III)? Considering it's form factor, It would be a turn-off to need a third party case in order to carry it in my pocket -- making it even bigger.

RE: Flip cover?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 2:42:35 AM #
Comes with a standard Palm IIIx flip cover.


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 7:58:37 PM #
Bells and whistles DO matter.

Palm is losing market share because M$ has some ugly, unuseable shi- erm things that can play mp3's and got color.

They may not be that important, but people think it matters anyway.

I own a visor prism, and I certainly would love the idea to play mp3's.

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 2:01:34 PM #
What a dork!

You can play mp3's on your Prism if you open up your wallet and buy a Springboard.

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 1:21:04 AM #
More info for the dork:


What's behind the expansion card slot?
The expansion card slot is a dual-purpose slot that can hold two types of cards: Secure Digital and MultiMediaCard. Both types of cards are small, inexpensive, and easy to plug in. Much like computer diskettes, they hold information for upload or download onto a handheld. With them, you can instantly add software programs, e-books, large databases, graphics, or even video files to your handheld without sacrificing memory space.
Both types of cards are widely supported by hundreds of consumer electronics companies, and are used in many different devices including cameras, video recorders, MP3 players and much more. Palm chose to support both types of cards so Palm handheld users and developers would have multiple expansion options.

What does the future hold?
Right now, there are hundreds of hardware expansion products for Palm handhelds including digital cameras, GPS receivers, wireless modems, scanners and more. In the near future,

Secure Digital Input/Output technology will enable the same functionality to be delivered in an ultra-compact size on an SD card.

Please RTFM!!!!!!!!!

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 12:35:51 PM #
Um, what planet do you live on? You cannot RUN software off SD. You can only STORE files. In other words, it is a complete waste of space, time and money - unless you need to carry large files around with you e.g. databases, PDFs (*grin*), progs you want to install on and off etc.

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 4:44:18 PM #
What turnip truck did you fall off? Although today's software cannot be run from the SD card (it will be copied), It will be easy for us developers to to modify current products to launch/run from the SD/MMC. You will soon see updates of software that do this. (Look for it at your local vegetable stand)

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 9:41:13 PM #
What is the big deal as to whether data can be run directly off of the card or not? Your typical PC has 128mb of RAM and a 30+Gb hard drive. Nobody complains that the PC is no good because the data is stored on the hard drive and has to be loaded into memory. Same basic concept.

RE: ...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 6:58:52 PM #
no i dont think thats what they/I are/am concerned about. I know i am concerned about whether you must go into filemover app, copy app to ram manually and then run it....understand?

Not Available

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:12:32 PM #
Will be released in july/august. Typical. I'll buy the m505

So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 8:41:33 PM #
What a damn UGLY shell

RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 6:54:20 PM #
Damn right, it's ugly...

I've sat through the release of the Visor Edge (Mmmmm), the new Sony Clie(More Mmmm), and the M50x's (Ultra Mmmmmm).. Why oh why does handera think they can escape the wrath of bad looks just by offering more functionality?????????

There has been so much emphasis of form factor for PDAs, and who can blame the manufacturers? This is not a clunky desktop that never leaves the house, PDAs are quickly becoming a fashion accessory in some respect. Palm somewhat hit it on the spot with the m10x's withthe interchangable shells... And when you compare the form vs function of a PDA, functionality is really quite a MINIMAL impact, hence such an explosion on form. Handera has great functionality, but OMG, that metallic case is F-UGLY. It looks like the cheap-ass replacement shells people buy for thier palm III's.. and we all know the III is justdamn nasty.. Really, who uses a palm for more than what it was designed for (address, calendar, memo, todo)?? sure, i play the games, i read the e-books, but is there really any more that warrents TWO slots that are literally only memory expansions? and the voice recorder? well, ok, that's an ok function but if they can do that, why not have full sound multimedia capabilities like hte sony?

I dunno.. this is the first handheld in a while that has not impressed me at all.. and i have to attribute it to the nasty fake silver case.

seriously now.. my point is that handera failed with this handheld cause of it's looks. that's really it's ONLY downfall, and that's one pretty big downfall.


RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 4:03:30 PM #
you are so shallow that the most innovative palm since the handspring doesnt impress you because of its looks? no wonder palm is losing market share

RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 4:37:54 PM #
I don't understand what you mean. Handsprings have some nice features, but they are unreliable. Everybody I know that had a Visor (myself included) can give many, many hard reset stories. One of my co-workers is on his fifth Visor Deluxe (the company replaced it 5 times.) That's rediculous. I don't want any of Handspring's innovations.

RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 5:35:11 PM #
In response to the "you are so shallow" remark,

I disagree, i am not shallow, but i recognize that i see a need for where FORM matters over FUNCTION. Only a few percent of all PDA users are the hardcore type where they value Funtionality over all else. If a company can cram as much 'stuff' into one device, regardless of it's looks, then this group will buy it. however, for a company to gear it's Main PDA at such a small group which already is in a niche market, it's suicide.

let me use an analogy to better illustrate my point...

Look are car manufacturers.. functionality of cars is not unlike functionality of PDAs. There's the 'default' set of functions, plus the 'extras'. Handera has built a luxury car and put a Skylark body over top of it (or any other car you find ugly).

That's why I wouldn't want to buy it, and that's why I fear many others won't buy it. No offense to those who do find it attractive. If Handera or any other manufacturer thinks they are high enough that they can get by by ignoring this fact(of needing good looks), well, best of luck to them... You betcha Handera will lose market share(and thank goodness most converts will go to other Palm alternatives).

RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 12:01:00 AM #
I think style really doesnt matter, since your probably going to have a case over it. I also applaud Handera for not sticking in rechargable batteries. I dont want to have to be attached to a Power socket or cradle

RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
megazone @ 4/26/2001 6:55:02 AM #
1. To the person talking about hard resets on the Visor. I think you must be doing something wrong - I've had a Deluxe since just after they came out, and I can recall *1* hard reset, very early on. I have many friends with Visors, they don't have any trouble either. Now, my old IIIx I had to hard reset several times.

2. About the looks. I think the m50x line are ugly. I've always hated the V/Vx design, and I think the m50x are more of a bad thing. I kind of like the 330's looks - I definitely like the size/shape. I have always preferred the IIIx/Visor Deluxe form factor to the V/Vx for factor.

3. 'Memory only' - which rock have you been under? I suggest you look at the CF devices on the market, which the 330 (and the older TRG Pro) has wide support for. That's also ignoring future SDIO devices.

4. Greyscale - so what? Everyone keeps yapping about how users want color - yet greyscale devices dominate the sales of PDAs. Sure, if you can offer someone a device for the same price they'll probably pick color, but the fact is color screens cost more, so the device costs more. And a lot of people (myself included, so far) are simply not willing to spend the extra money just for color. I'm not a gamer, I don't need color address book entries, memos, or documents. I would much rather have a higher res screen, soft graffiti, etc, than 160x160 16bit color. And sales figures say the market agrees with me.

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RE: So UGLY!!! \(¢£-¢¢)/
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/5/2001 6:57:41 PM #
To the person who states, "...for a company to gear it's Main PDA at such a small group which already is in a niche market, it's suicide. ", Symbol is still in business (and doing nicely), and they have an even smaller niche market than TRG/Handera.

It's important to remember that unless you are IBM or Micro$oft, you are essentially operating in a "niche" market. Not everyone is going to be a major player, but they still can do viable business in a market. My guess is that you will see Handera attempt to create a more mainstream market in about a year or so depending on the success of the 330. If you have tried to get one lately (today's date is June 5), then you already know that they are probably more successful than they ever anticipated. Places like Palmgear and Handango only have limited (if any) supplies of these things, and those were already pre-ordered.

Keep an eye on this company, they are far from obsolete or out of the game.

Fonts & backlight

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 10:09:51 PM #
According to that pdaEd article, it has "[a] broad choice of font sizes", and the cool old-style backlighting!

Too little to late

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 10:10:13 PM #
Pretty amazing what they have managed to do with the ancient Palm OS. Maybe if it was color it would be interesting but I sure wouldnt give up my ipaq for it.

RE: Too little to late
jkirvin @ 4/22/2001 11:48:32 AM #
It's all but assured that I will *not* be going back to the Pocket PC after using a Jornada and an iPaq for five months. The HandEra 330 provides a QVGA screen, landscape mode (without having to pay JimmySoft anything), voice recording, a soft entry area and not one but two expansion card options. It provides everything I miss about my Jornada, and I also get to run PalmOS, meaning I have superior software (WordSmith is much better than Pocket Word, DateBk4 is better than Pocket Outlook for planning, ShadowPlan beat the crap out of ListPro and Quik Budget doesn't even have a PPC alternative). This is very much a "best of both worlds" device, and I will have one as soon as humanly possible.



I.M. Anonymous @ 4/20/2001 11:43:10 PM #
The new HandEra is fine.
Two slots design is attracted to me in particular. It provides the customer a chance to cope with the chaos of extension-slot spec.(ms, sd, cf, pcmcia, smartmedia.....).

However, even more slots can increase the power of PDAs, but eventually PDA can't have as many slots as Desktop PC. Therefore, in my opinion, developing "Multi-Function" cards should a better solution instead of increasing the number of slots.

Can the Graffiti area also view in Landscape ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 1:07:57 AM #
Otherwise, it will be a pain to use.

RE: Can the Graffiti area also view in Landscape ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/5/2001 7:07:44 PM #
Yes it can.


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 3:09:28 AM #
I can't believe anyone would come out with a new PDA and not have USB. Almost every PC in the last 5 years has had USB and all new Macs have USB. They shouldn't punish people who have computers or Macs and make them buy $40 adapters. It's also much faster.
Also, will PalmOS 4.0 fit on 2MB flash RAM?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 3:33:02 AM #
Right, same old interface, that means SERIAL doesn't it?

Think about the IBM microdrive in this device, connected via serial connection???

Ed @ 4/21/2001 8:27:48 AM #
They held off on USB for backward compatibility. I would much rather have the ability to use Palm III series peripherals, of which there are still tons on the market, than yet another new connector that developers would have to create peripherals for.

Also, I think it probably gives them a slightly larger potential customer base. While it is a hassle for Mac users to have to buy an adapter to use the serial connector, I'm not sure it is possible to let WinNT machines use USB for whatever cost, though I'm no expert.

Palm Infocenter

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 10:33:57 AM #
you do get adapters to convert serial to USB, to connect to the USB port on a WinNT machine, saving your serial port for other peripherals. However, note that the speed will still be limited to that of the RS232(serial) protocol. -ash.

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 11:53:28 AM #
Can't the PDA have serial but the cradle be USB so you can still use your old peripherals but synch using your USB port on your computer? Maybe I have this mixed up.

Windows NT 4.0 DOES NOT SUPPORT USB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 5:58:17 PM #
Most businesses are using Windows NT 4.0 and therefore the is absolutely no reason for TRG to create a handheld that uses the USB port.

Remember, the Pres of TRG stated that they developed the new "HandEra 330" primarily for business people!

This should be obvious - businesses are ones with the most money to spend on these things, and unlike you kids, they're going to buy 10's and 100's at a time.

That is why TRG developed the new HandEra 330 to only support Serial.

If you want to access your CF faster, the you guys should by a CF-USB reader. Load your programs this way onto the CF card and then put that card into your TRG Pro/HandEra 330 and access your programs this way.

I know it works cause I am able to do this with my TRG Pro and CF-USB card reader on my Windows 2000 system.

Most businesses have NOT adopted Windows 2000 again because of the cost. They would have to purchase 100's to 1000's of licenses for Windows 2000. But why do this when Windows NT 4.0 is working fine right now.

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 6:37:09 PM #
Windows NT 4 is working fine now? That's a good one. I needed a little laugh, thanks.

Power Problems?

egarrido @ 4/21/2001 7:23:52 AM #
It'll be interesting to see the schematic of exactly how HandEra designed around the constraints of power usage. According to the articles, they included a bay for four AAAs instead of the normal two. But even still, power draw must have been a problem, seeing that if one places a large IBM Microdrive in the CF slot and a high power device such as a wireless internet card in the sd slot, couldn't that create a problem?

Please, I'd very much enjoy some light on the topic. Thanks.


RE: Power Problems?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 6:11:05 PM #
AAA batteries only produce around 150 milliamps.

The IBM CF Microdrive requires atleast 500 milliamps.

So, 4 x 150 milliamps = 600 milliamps!

So, 600 milliamps > 500 milliamps =

More than enough milliamps to power the CF Microdrive effeciently.

Although, one should probably use the optional Li-ION battery pack when using such a "high drain" device as the IBM CF Microdrive.

RE: Power Problems?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 6:18:56 PM #
Nice math but you didn't fully answer his question. What happens when he plugs an SD card modem in at the same time? I guess a lot depends on how much current both the cards take. If they add up to more than 600 milliamps, he's in trouble. Hopefully, this will be rare.

Ummmm... You can use a Microdrive in a TRG Pro...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 8:10:24 PM #
Minor problem with some of the assumptions....

You can use a Microdrive in a TRG Pro, which only uses two AAA batteries. It's even listed on their website as being compatable.

IANAEE, but I guess they're using some sort of electronics to move the interface voltages/milampres around, in a similar way to how the Palm generates a +5v Serial connection in a machine that only has 3v of batteries. I think it would be a safe bet to assume that they made those electronics beefy enough to use two slots at once, if they put two slots in it.

RE: Power Problems?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 1:41:32 AM #
The following are greatly simplifed examples, but illustrate the point.

2-AAA battery example:
3.3V @ 500mA needed for CF+ Power level 1 slot
2 new AAAs - 1.5x2=3.0V
2 old AAAs - 0.9x2=1.8V
Boost topology required 1.8 - 3.0V in --> 3.3V out
AAAs typically rated at 1100mAh (low current draw only)
1100mAH * 1.2V * 2 cells = 2.6Wh energy available
3.3V * 500mA = 1.65W
1.65W / 3V (full cells) = 0.55A draw from AAAs
1.65W / 1.8V (dead cells) = 0.92A draw from AAAs
2.6Wh / 1.65W = 1.6h max life

4-AAA battery example:
3.3V @ 500mA needed for CF+ Power level 1 slot
4 new AAAs - 1.5x4=6.0V
4 old AAAs - 0.9x4=3.6V
Buck topology required 3.6 - 6.0V in --> 3.3V out
AAAs typically rated at 1100mAh (low current draw only)
1100mAH * 1.2V * 4 cells = 5.2Wh energy available
3.3V * 500mA = 1.65W
1.65W / 6V (full cells) = 0.28A draw from AAA
1.65W / 3.6V (dead cells) = 0.46A draw from AAA
5.2Wh / 1.65W = 3.2h max life.

Small alkaline batteries don't like to be loaded down heavily. You can get a lot more total energy (Wh)out of a AAA alkaline using a 50mA load than you can using a 500mA load. This is not true of all battery types, but it is true of alkalines.

Using 4 cells in series doubles the voltage and halves the current required for a given load. Also, 4 cells obvioulsy have 2x the total available energy of 2 cells. So 4 cells create a win-win for high-current draw situations: twice the energy to start with and lower average current draw which more effeciently uses the energy in the cells.

As I said at the beginning, these are simplified examples and don't take into account power supply effiency, the effect of variable loading on cells etc etc. Real-life battery lifetimes would be quite a bit lower than predicted above.

Also, most CF devices take far far less than 500mA at 3.3V Even the Microdrive, for which the CF specifications were actually changed to increase allowable peak current, draws 400mA peak only for a very short duration (~1s) during spin-up.

Finally, all SD/MMC devices take relatively tiny amounts of current. This is because SD/MMC devices are ALL memory cards. There are no SD/MMC I/O devices. The SDIO standard isn't even complete yet, let alone the development of any SD I/O devices.

RE: Power Problems?
egarrido @ 4/22/2001 1:18:53 PM #
Wow, thanks a lot for that. I really appreciate it.


Notes on Power Use
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 11:54:10 AM #
There's a jack on the side for power or it can be charged by the cradle. Power from the jack can also bypass the AAAs and run the unit. The LED on the front upper left is a charge/alert light.


I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 2:44:05 PM #
Handera, this is AMAZING! This IS a monochrome WinCE device killer! Get us reflective TFT's and this WILL BEAT ALL OTHER PALM OS DEVICES OUT THERE. HANDS DOWN. But I'll buy a Palm m505 before another monochrome device. Who thought of putting a mono in something so advanced?

No color, no sale. Try again, TRG (or license Sony's screen)
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 4:25:00 PM #
Sorry TRG, but this is 2001. I'm NEVER going to buy another monochrome handheld again, no matter how many innovations it has.
I took a quick poll of 10 friends who all own Palm OS PDAs. Most of us are planning to get new devices in the next 6 months. NONE of us is planning to get a monochrome unit (and yes, we all have seen the HandEra).
I believe TRG is going to have an uphill battle trying to sell this one, just as Palm will have with the m500. At least the monochrome Visor Edge is small and has a cleaner design. Expect major price cuts from HandEra very soon after release. They might have a market selling it at $250, but I doubt they could survive on that.
TRG is going to have to come up with a color screen a lot sooner than they had planned, or else they're screwed. It's funny - just 6 months ago, TRG was so arrogant as to suggest that color was superfluous in a PDA. Well guess what? Once you've seen color, there's no going back!

RE: Wow!
jkirvin @ 4/21/2001 9:40:08 PM #
I've seen color, and I have gone back. I used a Jornada 548 for five months. Now I use a Visor Deluxe, and the HandEra 330 will be my next device. Monochrome has a lot of advantages, mostly in readability and power usage. Color isn't always better, and I'm glad HandEra realizes that.

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 12:40:56 AM #
Color ? I just played with a Prism....nice gimmick but totally useless IMHO.

In normal use (as in business use), I prefer speed and storage capacity and expandability over being able to watch a worldclock in color, or viewing pictures.

What you guys have to understand is that you are just a tiny part of the overall PDA market. Was the IIIc such a success ? What about the Prism, or the Clie color ? I think the market share of these color devices is TINY in comparison with monochrome. And why ???? Because there are more people out there who think that color is just a gimmick and won't use the PDA for games/watching pictures and have a MUST-HAVE color-coded datebook (sheesh, what a dumbass reason to have a color PDA).

And oh yes.....battery life ? gimme my monochrome ANY day...

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 12:40:56 AM #
That is why Palm & Handspring still by far outsell winCE products, even though have color....

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 8:32:52 AM #
HandEra is obviously not catering to people who would buy a souped up, color PDA right now. I guess the 2 card slots and the screen are probably already enough to give the 4 batteries a run so a color screen would make it worse.
People who will buy this are health care professionals who need to carry around large databases, people who want to carry around lots of e-books, and other power uses. Everyone else can buy a color Palm or the new Sony Clié so I don't see what all of the whining is about.

RE: Wow!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/25/2001 10:13:13 AM #
I'm astonished at the smugness of some people:

"Sorry, HandEra, but this is 2001."

People have criticized HandEra strongly on these boards over a few pictures--"It's ugly," "It's not color," etc.--as though a few idiots of Homer Simpson-esque IQ developed this handheld in about a month. Talk about rushing to judgement. You should read the articles on pdabuzz or palmstation. Two of HandEra's developers had a chance to address the genesis of the 330. These people know what they're doing, they considered all the possibilities and concerns, and they made rational decisions based on their users' desires and their major priorities. Please give them credit for that.

Above average

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 2:36:28 PM #
It is absolutely wonderful that not all manufacturers limit themselves to the needs of the AVERAGE user: a pretty low common demoninator. Thanks, TRGPro/HandEra for serving business needs and power user needs instead of teenie-bopper needs. What if all that were available was a M100 since that model might sell the most according to some marketing poll at a middle school?

Two slots! Hi-res B/W beats lo-res color! Use existing Palm III peripherals! Replaceable batteries: my charger's at home! Perfectly usable form factor! I'll wait 'til June!

This looks to be great

Adam Parker @ 4/21/2001 3:02:24 PM #
I think this new handheld looks great. Being able to get the graffiti area off of the screen is a wonderful idea. I think that other companies will follow Handera's lead. I intend to buy one.

Some Thoughts

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 4:22:13 PM #
This is a device that's way ahead of the pack in terms of technology. It's a device that has bells and whistles that folks have been begging for for years now. And, it's a device that's not going to sell at all. It ain't got no "curb appeal." I wish the guys at Handera would have gone to IDEO (like Palm did for the Palm V) and got some good suggestions about design. As is, this case would have been better designed by the guys working the assembly line at the John Deere plant in Fort Dodge, Iowa! Yuck! JBH

RE: Some Thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 9:18:04 PM #
Hey pal,

Watch your hick references to us folks living in flyover country. The innovations (to date) of this midwest company deserves a pat on the back. Forget the form, I'm tickled that the 330 will be cased in "METAL". Moreover, for those folks hung up on color.... wait for the next intro......

Nope, it's plastic.
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 12:50:54 PM #
Sorry to burst your bubble

RE: Some Thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/26/2001 11:58:28 PM #

I spoke with one of the higher level officers at the Co. and he/she informed me that it was metal. I am pretty sure because I challenged he/she about it and he/she reaffirmed it.

If you're whining about color...

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 7:47:39 PM #
You're definately not in HandEra's target market. I can't think of ANYTHING that they've EVER made that catered to the Rice-Boy crowd. ("That's a lot of money for a RAM expansion! I can buy 8mb for my PC for $40." - Some idiot commenting)

However, if you actually USE your handheld, you don't need me to tell you that they've once again trumped every other player in the PalmOS market.

Cheap storage, compatability with past (III) AND future (SD) hardware, more screen real estate and a soft graffiti area. The only thing it dosen't come with is wireless...

And color. You want color so bad, get a gameboy and STFU.

RE: If you're whining about color...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 12:51:55 AM #
AMEN !!!

RE: If you're whining about color...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 12:16:33 AM #
DITTO!!!! Sure, it would be nicer with color, but color is NOT ESSENTIAL!!!

HandEra doing a Palm?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 8:30:32 PM #
Palm InfoCenter said:
> HandEra plans to offer it for $350 by the end of June

Why did HandEra introduce this now if it isn't going to be available for about 9 weeks? That's why people are screaming at Palm, because they did the same with the m500 series. Won't this really hurt their sales of the TRGpro?

The only reason I can guess is the same reason Palm pre-announced the m500/m505: preventing potential customers from buying rival handhelds.

So are both companies making a mistake or are they both just doing what they had to do? I like companies that pre-announce. I'd be really pissed if I bought a handheld on Friday and on Monday the same company introduced a much better model for the same cost. I can return it but why should I be blindsided?

Car companies preannounce all their models. Does that prevent people from buying any 2001 models because the 2002 models will be out soon?


RE: HandEra doing a Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/21/2001 9:31:26 PM #
May be that most of the developers will have written compatible versions by then.

RE: HandEra doing a Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 9:04:50 PM #
So are both companies making a mistake or are they both just doing what they had to do?

While I don't know the circumstances surrounding HandEra's announcement today, Palm and HandEra are not making the same mistake. Palm's "mistake" was they were relying on selling their old models (Vx, IIIc) for several more months at full price, then discount them, thus providing them with much needed revenue. But, having pre-announced the m500 series so early, the market for the older models dried up, and Palm now has a glut of inventory that they can only get rid of through heavy discounts, which will greatly decrease their profit margin on those devices. Plus, Palm's profit margin on the m500 series is much less than the older models, so money will be much tighter at Palm than originally forecast. Adding to this recent stock market trends leaves Palm in a tight spot for several quarters.

HandEra only had one model before, the TRGpro, which they had already discounted twice (now down to $250) before this announcement. The TRGpro hardware has been unchanged since its introduction in late 1999; it was due for a discount and was starting to lose some of its luster. Plus, with all the announcements from Palm, Handspring, and Sony, if HandEra had announced the 330 earlier, it would have gotten lost in the shuffle. This probably was about the best time for HandEra to announce; with everyone looking for a PDA, HandEra announced a new one that greatly improves on their older design, at a price range that will make users that were looking at new m500s and Visor Edges reconsider.

Also, unlike Palm, HandEra is a privately-owned company. The stock market woes Palm and Handspring are experiences won't effect HandEra as directly as the others.


mengshi @ 4/21/2001 10:34:19 PM #
Well done Handera! A few neat things from the article & pictures...

1) The access to the SD and CF slots appears to be through a "flip-door" which is just the way I think it should be.

2) The article says the device is the same size as the current TRGPro. This is wonderful engineering.

3) Check out Palmstation for the backlight screen - superb! But I don't think we'll use it like the backlight on the Palm IIIc on account of the battery life though.

4) Wonder what the battery life is like with the Li-ion pack

5) No pictures of the back or the battery slot. I wonder if they implemented the dual battery type slot using the same compartment as I suggested ? (Humble cough)

6) Hmm. Looks like charging of the Li-ion battery is not through a new cradle. Just as well as it would be too dangerous if it happens to have alkalines installed. Wonder if the external battery charger/AC charger will charge NiMH AAA batteries - probably not as the Li-ion battery will most likely use different connectors to prevent "accidents". Good design nonetheless.

7) 4 AAA ! Now I'll have to figure out how to store my spare batteries. I bet most users will go for the Li-ion.

8) Any metal screen cover ? Probably should come with a matching silver plastic cover.

9) Hmmm. No mention of the universal connector. Is this going to be a problem?

10) Now show me the colour model with the custom hardware colour screen accelerator please....(I have no doubt Handera will be the first to do).

11) Looks like Handera has to pay ? Sony the royalty to use Jog-dial.

RE: Observations....
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 12:56:02 AM #

From the article:

One of its most unusual features is that it requires 4 AAA batteries, which the company says gives it double the battery life of the Visor Deluxe or m100.

There you go DOUBLE BATTERY LIFE !!!

9) Because there will be none. Why should this be a problem (unless of course your pc has ONLY USB ports and no serial ports...._

11) Nope, Jogdial is NOT the Sony-one.

Own Handera-internal development, different technology.

From the above article:

The 330 also has a side-mounted jog dial and a select button for one-handed use. It uses a noninverting backlight.
According to HandEra CEO Mike Downey, unlike features developed by Handspring and Sony, which Palm has the right to add back into the OS, HandEra's innovations are its own intellectual property.

I wonder when people will start reading the given information properly prior to asking questions that have already been answered....

RE: Observations....
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 6:21:05 PM #
Double the battery life with double the number of batteries is NOT double the battery life...

The ONLY thing this saves you from is having to CHANGE the batteries as much. It has NOTHING to do with increasing the amount of life you actually get from the batteries themselves...

Wow my Handera runs for 2 months on 4 batteries
Wow my Palm IIIxe runs for 1 month on 2 batteries then 1 month on 2 more batteries.

In fact this is a NEGATIVE. Who wants to carry around a handera if it is 2 batteries heavier than regular palms?

RE: Observations....
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 9:29:30 PM #
The HandEra 330 with 4 batteries (5.9 oz) is lighter than a PalmIII with 2.

RE: Observations....
atrizzah @ 4/22/2001 10:52:58 PM #
Note that the Handera needs more battery power to use power heavy CF accessories. I peronally have no problem with that considering batteries don't weigh that much anyway

Peace Out
Weight considerations
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 1:00:27 PM #
some people talk about 0.1 oz as if it's going to strain their forearms lifting it to eye-level.

Come on! We're not talking solid gold bullion here. It's still mostly just plastic and air inside.

What matters to me is the physical dimensions of the device, and the Handera is the same size as my IIIxe, which usually fits in my front pants pocket just fine. Hell, even with the Humongo Leather wallet-case, it still fits in my cargo pockets (long live this trend).

I need a good lifting regimen, I think the weight of two extra batteries is a good thing. Just think of the muscle mass you'll be adding.

As I get stronger, I may want to tape additional 9 volts to it as well.


RE: Observations....
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 11:54:11 PM #

Cargo pockets ?

Shoot, missed the trend yet again....

Yep, the HandEra 330 *is* ugly!

mikecane @ 4/22/2001 8:31:06 PM #
And so was its predecessor...

RE: Yep, the HandEra 330 *is* ugly!
Brett @ 4/23/2001 7:29:31 PM #
This and its predecessor essentially have a palmIII shell, which almost all palm models (sans V) were based on. Did you think all those were ugly too?

I am curious... which devices made you "most beautiful" list? ;)


Ugly as a Visor
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 8:14:22 PM #
I don't think the 330 is any less attractive than anything from Visor before the Edge. From the original to the Platinum, all the Handspring models are just bricks with a screen and buttons.

I laugh at all this emphasis on design. When you are stereo shopping, do you pass on the bad looking ones and just buy one that looks cool, to hell with what it sounds like?

I spit on style over substance.


RE: Yep, the HandEra 330 *is* ugly!
mikecane @ 4/25/2001 10:23:49 AM #
Who said anything about style over substance? Why is it there can't be both?

I have owned a Palm III. It was sleek looking for its time and the design still holds up well. I detest the V-series because it looks like a metal hatchet. I love the m500s because they are curvy. The CLIE some people call boxy, but I like its lines.

As for PPC, only the Compaq Aero 1550 and perhaps the Casio EM500 are acceptable-looking. I hate the HP and I especially hate the "biker-style" iPaq.

RE: Yep, the HandEra 330 *is* ugly!
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/26/2001 6:33:12 AM #
How can you say you HATE the V-series and yet you LOVE the m50x series?

They're ALMOST identical in case shape (and that's why cases/accessories from V/Vx work with the m500 - not m505 though as it's 1mm thicker).




I.M. Anonymous @ 4/22/2001 8:37:28 PM #
So whats the deal mwith sd memory? can you ntaurally run apps off of it or does the programmer of the app need to program it a certain way or what? Os there going to have to be a need for an auto sd? Also, with the autocf can you have 2 mb of free memory and run an 8mb file off of a cf crad? I am going to get this device but i must decide whether to get cf memory or sd....I am going to get a cf modem and sd memory would make sense then but i want to know how the sd memory works....Thanx.

atrizzah @ 4/22/2001 10:56:28 PM #
With OS 4, you can run applications transparently off of SD or CF memory. On the m50x's and i assume all OS 4 devices, the applications are placed in a special expansion card catagory on the launcher. The only downside is that you can't switch them out of that catagory. The Palm runs the apps by copying them to free RAM temporarily. I'm not sure but I think that their associated databases are copied also at will.

Peace Out
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 6:42:39 AM #
ok. so until os 4 becomes publicly available the sd card slot will not be able to run apps off of since this device will shiop with os 3.5.x

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/14/2002 10:29:01 PM #
Try using AutoCard. It alows you to run read-only databases and apps from SD/MMC or CF. You can also edit which directory to use.

Not produced for you anyway

atrizzah @ 4/22/2001 11:53:17 PM #
Just a note to all of you people who said that you aren't going to buy this device, it's not necessarily being made for you anyway. It is being made primarily for corporations to order large amounts of them, then to the power users like me who just want something state of the art. So all of you who think this device will fail are wrong. Comercial success isn't the main goal of this product anyway. TRG has plenty of satisfied customers who will buy this, and plenty of people looking to buy another grayscale unit will probably buy it.

Even so, in my opinion it's still an excellent device. It has a combination of features that no other handheld matches (i.e. jog dial, select button, CF, SD, mic, speaker, headphone jack, improved resolution, soft grafiti/keyboard, grafiti echo, visully cusomisable silk screen keys, landscape, etc.). Also consider that it can use all standard TRGPro and III series serial port addons, so all of you who complained about buying the new 50x's because of having to replace your accesories can buy it. And all for $350.

To all of you who say you don't like it because of the way it looks, go ahead and buy a Palm Vx for the same price just because it's a little smaller and prettier and enjoy your non-expandibility, because they make this device for people who have to have the cutest PDA on the block.

My only regret about this device is that its grayscale, and it really bugs me that there won't be a color device for another 12 months at this point. If color is that important to you, maybe you should get an m505, because that was what I was saving up for before this came out.

All of that being said, I have a couple minor questions for anyone with more info on the device. Does it have the built in rumble like the 50x series? Does it have an LED? Where is the power button located? Does it still use standard III series styli?

Peace Out

Website Locked Out

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 12:22:59 AM #
Tried to access at 11:15 p.m. CST and the website was requesting a user name and password!

(Jerry F. Giardina)

RE: Website Locked No More
Ed @ 4/23/2001 8:53:07 AM # is now unlocked and contains all the information on the new 330. Unfortunately, it is also running very slowly.

Palm Infocenter

Sony N700C

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 2:40:18 AM #
is still da best device over world

- doublepixeling without add. software (320x320)
- brilliant color LCD
- cool design
- remote control
- ATRAC3 encoder builtin
- headers
- built in LiOn accu

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 9:59:04 AM #
Do you live in or near Japan? Then you're able to get it. I live in Texas, so I cannot. And I don't read Japanese, so it would be a waste of time for me if I could buy it. All you people who keep going on about the Sony 700 need to STFU. It is NOT available in the US, and Sony has made no announcement to the contrary. All you have are rumors, innuendo, and your own pathetic little geek hopes. The HandEra 330 is the most feature-rich PalmOS device currently AVAILABLE in the US. Period.

Sony N700C - available in May
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 12:09:32 PM #
The Sony will be available in North America in May, 2001.

If you don't know what you are talking about, you should keep quiet instead of posting comments that merely display your ignorance.

RE: Sony N700C - available in May
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 12:16:24 PM #
Has someone from Sony said this? I've ready lots of rumors that say it will be out in May but no one can point to a quote from Sony to back up the rumor.


RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 1:59:46 PM #
Don’t call someone ignorant when you cant even back your own claims! Provide a link or some other type of proof! Otherwise – like the guy said – STFU.

Delusional fool…


RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 2:17:40 PM #

"The Sony will be available in North America in May, 2001.

If you don't know what you are talking about, you should keep quiet instead of posting comments that merely display your ignorance."

Just who's ignorant here? Do you have access to information from Sony that virtually NO ONE ELSE on any of the Palm message boards hasn't seen? Or maybe you're confusing the Sony N700C with the Palm m505 because your head is so far up you-know-where that you can examine your intestines for polyps. Perhaps, as the earlier post said, you should SFTU.

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 8:59:29 PM #
I heard that, althrough with fastest CPU, SONY N700C is still very slow. Sometimes it takes more than 10 sec to switch between apps, maybe, just maybe because it need to adopt 256 color info to 65535 color info. (from Taiwaner users, not in USA.)

RE: Sony N700C - Available in May
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 10:31:35 PM #
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people can be, yet still manage to post messages on boards like this. As was stated clearly before: THE CLIE PEG-N700C WILL BE AVAILABLE IN MAY.

Just because you were unaware of this fact doesn't alter the reality of it. Deal with it.

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 1:15:03 AM #
I have no intention to join the argument, but, could someone tell me where is the quote from? I have seen this rumor all over the place, but no one can pinpoint where the news from? If it is "TRUE", then I might wait for it. If it is just another rumor, then.....

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 6:08:22 AM #
Hideo Iniku, VP of Sales, Sony Consumer Electronics Division stated this last week in an interview with a MaximumPC reporter. I'm not sure if the interview was ever posted on their site, but the rumor somehow got leaked to the Palm messageboards.

RE: Sony N700C Rumor
Ed @ 4/24/2001 9:20:27 AM #
Thanks to whomever finally posted the basis for this rumor.

To person or persons who has simply been repeating the rumor without any evidence, please realize that just because you read a rumor somewhere, doesn't by definition make it true. Repeating it over and over and insulting everyone who won't take you at your unsubstantiated word doesn't make it any more true.

To the people on the other side of the argument, unsubstantiated rumors do sometimes turn out to be correct so insulting the people who posted this one wasn't the best idea either.

The only thing that bothers me more about these discussion groups than people's unwillingness to use a spell-checker is people willingness to immediately begin screaming cuss words and insults at anyone who disagrees with them. Jeez, people, we're adults here. Let's try to act like it.

Palm Infocenter

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 10:32:05 AM #
Amen to that!

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 3:25:06 PM #
Yes! Yes! Yes! It gets tiresome to read people's insults on these boards. What's wrong with saying "I disagree?" Instead, we get "RTFM," "STFU," and other initials that refer to cussing. The other extreme is the "superiority complex" where people imply ignorance, stupidity, in-breeding, etc., just because someone disagrees or questions the validity of a rumor. It's a symptom of 2 things--1) the progressive lack of civility in this country when it comes to discourse, and 2) an overgrown level of passion about things that are ultimately high-priced toys. It's fine to debate the merits and pitfalls of this or any device, but please, at least keep some perspective.

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/2/2001 9:20:35 AM #
Finally, intelligent life exists - your step in on this is commendable.

I am just I guy looking for valuable information and direction from which I thought might bet educated advisors. Instead I get Jerry Springer –

RE: Sony N700C
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/14/2002 10:39:41 PM #
I hear this thing bites. I hear that Sony is holding control over which apps can collapse the graffiti are and when. I understand that the graffiti area can only be colapsed when the thumb-board is in use. If they offered it without the thumb-board, it would be great.

Soft Grafitti Area... Finally!

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 1:38:54 PM #
Someone actually heard us screaming for this! It's been years that we have been asking for this feature and of course someone other than PALM brings out the feature. Maybe it's safe to assume that PalmOS 5.0 will have this feature next year when it comes out?! Cross our fingers.

Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330

Mike_W @ 4/23/2001 5:00:24 PM #
These screen shots are taken from POSE of a popular Legacy application (JFile 4.1) running in various screen modes on the HandEra 330. They demonstrate a combination of scaling and substitution designed to ensure legacy applications look great on the 330.> JFile 4.1 Expanded with Graffiti.> JFile 4.1 Expanded with Graffiti.> JFile 4.1 Expanded with Large On Screen Keyboard.> JFile 4.1 Expanded with Small On Screen Keyboard.> JFile 4.1 Expanded without Graffiti.> JFile 4.1 Centered without Graffiti.> JFile 4.1 Centered with Graffiti.> JFile 4.1 Upper Left Mode with Graffiti.> New Preference Panel allows selection of the screen mode on a per-app basis.

RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 6:07:36 PM #
The scaling looks fine to me. I don't see any problems with this. I hope Palm and the others follow suit and at least agree on a resolution to make it easier for developers.

RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 6:07:41 PM #
How did you get POSE to display the screen in the 320x240 resolution?

RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
Mike_W @ 4/23/2001 6:15:45 PM #
I have a version of POSE that supports the HandEra 330. Just to let everyone here know, I do work for HandEra. I maintain developer support in addition to other things. I read this board frequently but I seldom post.

I saw several people asking for screen shots and figured I would try to help out.

Thanks for cleaning up the links Bret, I am not yet accustomed to the PIC forum system.


RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/23/2001 8:20:08 PM #
mike i have a question for you about the handera 330....with the SD card slot can apps be run off of it while it is using its os version of 3.5.x of must you wait for palm os 4 to be publicly available before running apps off of the sd slot is possible? Thanx so much

RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
Mike_W @ 4/24/2001 10:21:05 AM #
TRGpro users have had the ability to do this with OS3.5 for many months now with a free utility from our website called AutoCF. This utility will function on the 330, however initially it will not support SD memory cards.

SD/MMC memory cards are significantly slower than CF. For this reason I think most people will be much happier using CF cards.


RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 10:48:59 AM #
All I can say is, the expanded views all look VERY cool! People complain about lack of color, but this is what I've really been looking for. This is going to be a great device.

RE: Legacy Applications on the HandEra 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 2:09:52 PM #
Mike -

Regarding the release of the 330: claims they'll have it in stock on 5/7/2001. Does this date sound realistic to you? I only ask because when I initially pre-ordered an m505, the Palm Store claimed it would be available on 4/2/2001 (and we see how that turned out).

I've given up waiting for the m505 because:

a) I've called weekly for updates on a release date, and I've always been quoted a date range at least a month long (but never the same range twice).

b) Palm released some m500 units to retail outlets before releasing units to those who had *already* purchased them.

c) The 330 is just so much cooler.

So... I applaud HandEra's decision to release to retail outlets *before* offering it on their own Web site (If I get angry at a retailer, it won't make me switch away from HandEra like getting mad at Palm has made me switch away from Palm). I just hope that HandEra doesn't make me drool too long.

Thanks for any information you are at liberty to pass along...

Additional HandEra 330 Pics

Mike_W @ 4/24/2001 5:04:27 PM #
Yesterday's pictures of the 330 proved quite popular, so I have taken some additional pictures of the device.

They are on the same page, located below yesterday's pictures.


RE: Additional HandEra 330 Pics
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 5:23:17 PM #
seems like the 330 has a palm III style flip cover?

RE: Additional HandEra 330 Pics
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 9:22:46 PM #

Why so critical?

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 6:42:59 PM #
Are form factor and color REALLY so important? I personally don't think so, and I tend to believe that you who place so much emphasis on the two(especially form) are some of the shallowest people alive--but that's beside the point. While I don't necessarily believe the 330 is the prettiest PDA, it's definitely NOT as ugly as people make it out to be. So it's not as cool as a Vx--big deal! As for color--who cares about it when the screen res is only 160x160? I'll take the increased resolution in grayscale. The guy who says most people only use Palms for the built-in applications must be blind, ignorant, or stupid. How do you explain the thousands of downloads has each day? Yeah, all those PalmOS developers are really wasting their time...
HandEra has a great device. It may not be the best one for EVERYONE, but guess what--THERE'S NO SUCH THING!!! Give them credit for putting together a nice product, even if you don't intend to buy it.
RE: Why so critical?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 6:50:57 PM #
AMEN! I am moving from my vx to this device because I have realized that form factor is uninportant. I showed all my friends this device-especially the ones planning on getting m500/m505s. They all said about how ugly it is and that it is stupid...LOL....but ni like it ALOT.

RE: Why so critical?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/24/2001 9:33:08 PM #
"Are form factor and color REALLY so important?"

Yes. Perhaps not to you, but they do matter to most people.

"I personally don't think so, and I tend to believe that you who place so much emphasis on the two(especially form) are some of the shallowest people alive--but that's beside the point."

Why? Because they disagree with you?

"While I don't necessarily believe the 330 is the prettiest PDA, it's definitely NOT as ugly as people make it out to be. So it's not as cool as a Vx--big deal!"

HandEra could have easily made a better looking device. Last time I checked, black plastic wasn't any more expensive than tacky silver coated plastic.

"As for color--who cares about it when the screen res is only 160x160? I'll take the increased resolution in grayscale."

Anyone who has difficulty reading the blurry monochrome screens on typical Palms cares. a good color screen like the one on the new Sony is easier to read indoors than monochrome screens. Consider yourself lucky (you are probably less than 35 years old) if you don't have any problems with monochrome displays.

"The guy who says most people only use Palms for the built-in applications must be blind, ignorant, or stupid. How do you explain the thousands of downloads has each day? Yeah, all those PalmOS developers are really wasting their time..."

Your debating skills are apparently somewhat limited. While most people who frequent sites like this (and possibly even most Palm owners you know) use many third party applications, many (and perhaps most) regular users don't venture beyond the installed programs, as they have no need/interest in them. Yes, has almost 10,000 apps and boast thousands of downloads daily. You fail to realize that a) the vast majority of these programs are utter tripe b) only a relatively small percentage of Palm owners are downloading from there.

"HandEra has a great device. It may not be the best one for EVERYONE, but guess what--THERE'S NO SUCH THING!!!"

The only sensible thing you have posted here.

RE: Why so critical?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/25/2001 10:19:24 AM #
I don't know which is sadder--the fact that someone got so "hot-under-the-collar" over criticism of the new HandEra 330, or the fact that someone else took the time to address those comments, one-by-one.

RE: Why so critical?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/25/2001 5:40:17 PM #
It's called trying to have a rational debate. Try it sometime.

RE: Why so critical?
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/26/2001 10:14:03 AM #
Wow. Someone's very "touchy." Are you mad because someone said you're shallow because color and form are such a priority for you, or are you mad because someone suggested you're sad for picking apart someone's comments? Either way, you might consider getting off your intellectual-superiority high horse...

Thanks, and Welcome, Mike_W!

mikecane @ 4/25/2001 10:35:42 AM #
Thanks for popping by and being generous with the screen snaps of the 330. You have helped answer many questions with these illustrations.

Clearly Palm is not interested in what their *users* want -- so, again, could we interest you in creating a replacement for the not-yet-out m505? Let's see...

... higher-res color screen

... soft Graffiti area

... more fonts

Same form factor but 10% smaller screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/27/2001 2:01:22 PM #
Hey -

I'm interested in hearing comments from people who've actually used a 330 regarding the screen being 10% smaller than that of the Palm III series (55x73 mm instead of 60x81 mm). Sure, the fonts will look smoother (with 1.5x the number of pixels each way), but they'll be one tenth smaller.

Basically, does the enhanced resolution adequately compensate for the decreased screen size?

Perhaps comments from users that switched from a Palm III to an m10x (with a 25% smaller screen) would be useful.


CF/SD & MMC speeds...

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/27/2001 5:30:57 PM #
what are the speeds of cf cards vs. sd vs. mmc cards? I am getting the handera and im wondering which memory card is faster to buy...thanx in advance.

RE: CF/SD & MMC speeds...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/13/2001 10:24:34 AM # says that SD should be up to 4x faster.



I.M. Anonymous @ 6/14/2002 10:48:35 PM #
what happened to I keep getting some other crappy junk listing site.


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