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Designed using the open industry-standard Secure Digital Input/Output (SDIO) specification, the Palm Bluetooth Card can be slipped into Palm handhelds that have the SD/MMC slot, currently the m500 and m505. The card, jointly developed by Palm and Toshiba, is expected to be available before the end of the year for $150 or less
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Me: 'Please advise if there is a Palm OS Bluetooth SD card available for the Handera 330 PDA'.
support at Handera's reply: 'No, we are not currently developing it.'
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Chuck McLaughlin
Technical Support
HandEra
2859 104th Street
Des Moines, IA 50322
They did not say if they intend to support anybody else card. Cananybody else throw more light on this?
RE: w00p!
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=1781&MODE=FLAT
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$125? That's pretty pricey for a device that runs a chip that is supposed to cost $10-$12 when bought in quantity. I guess that's the price of being an early adopter.
RE: w00p!
Palm has what edge?
Palm has announced a sub-$150 Bluetooth expansion card device to be available this year.
Sony has announced a sub-$150 Bluetooth expansion card device to be available this year.
Sony has also shown a clip-on Bluetooth device.
Palm has shown no other Bluetooth device.
Yet "Palm has the edge"?
RE: w00p!
"but the actual Bluetooth device for the CLIE"
The infostick is one of the 2 ways Clie can make use of bluetooth. Sony 'listened' to consumer as some would prefer a clip-on at the bottom because they want to leave MS on the MS slot. Now Sony gives us more choices and you said "Palm has the edge".
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Peace Out
Alan
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I just don't get it
Just a thought.
RE: I just don't get it
The advantages are evident you can put your mobile phone in your pocket or case and connect to Internet without the incommode orientation of Infrared connection. Magic.
When printers work with bluetooth, the same (now I must place my Palm in front the printer).
I don’t agree the fact of change again and again my memory card with the Bluetooth every time I need to connect, print or hotsync. Two slots are needed.
I hope the next generation install Bluetooth inside the main board.
David from BCN
RE: I just don't get it
You're travelling with your bluetooth cellphone on your belt and a bluetooth PDA in your pocket. Wanting to check your email, you take your PDA out, launch a mail app and tap on "check mail". The PDA automatically connects to the cellphone via bluetooth, and the cellphone then connects to the 'net. The entire process (ideally) functions transparently to you, the user.
There are many benefits to this approach over current methods:
1) PDA and cellphone manufacturers are each free to do what they do best, making smaller and more focused products rather than large hybrids (e.g. the Kyocera SmartPhone)
2) No large PDA "backpack" device is required. For the last year I had an OmniSky wireless modem for my Palm Vx, and found the service to be spotty, and disliked the hassle of yet another separate monthly bill for net access. Also, with the modem attached, my Palm was no longer super-thin, which was my primary reason for selecting it.
3) The user gains the option of leaving either the cellphone or the PDA at home, depending on their needs and available space. This is not possible with integrated devices like the Kyocera, which demands that you always carry a large device, regardless of your planned needs.
4) Additional bluetooth devices could also access, and be accessed by, your bluetooth PDA and cellphone, leveraging functionality in much broader ways. For example, imagine accessing image data from a bluetooth digital camera on your PDA, and then sending it to the net via your bluetooth cellphone. Or perhaps you'd like to add more storage than your PDA supports. No problem. Just slip a bluetooth-enabled storage unit into your pocket (possibly based on compact flash hard drives like the 1 GB IBM microdrive) and get all the storage you want, wirelessly.
5) Wireless hotsyncing. When you return home, the bluetooth module on your desktop PC could automatically detect the presence of your PDA and initiate a hotsync. Never worry about forgetting to sync again.
6) NO cables or fussy IR! While some of the applications mentioned above can be done now using wired or infrared communications, the benefits and ease-of-use of having a wireless PAN (personal area network) are obvious. Ideally, the whole thing should be as transparent as possible to the user, with devices largely self-configuring themselves as they are brought into range of the user's PAN. Cool!
7) More user choice. Instead of waiting for that single portable device that integrates all the exact features that YOU want (16-bit hires color screen, SD slot, cellular, fuzzy dice and a portable quantum field generator) just pick and choose from multiple devices from multiple vendors to assemble your own bluetooth "meta-device".
Granted, all of this depends on the industry's ability to deliver compatible, affordable and secure bluetooth products - which probably won't be the case right out of the gate - but in a year or two there's no reason why the above scenarios couldn't be an everyday reality for many of us.
Support bluetooth and encourage your favorite hardware manufacturers to do so to!
- flux
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Peace Out
Alan
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In many ways, Bluetooth is conceptually similar to 802.11 (aka Airport, wireless ethernet) which has started to become popular. Unlike 802.11, Bluetooth is a slower, has a slower adoption rate, and is not supported in the latest operating systems, such as Windows XP.
However, I think the last point is because Microsoft doesn't want to innovate on an undeveloped standard, not because 802.11 is better. 802.11 support was added because of the impressive showing of Apple's version of 802.11 (support built into every computer being manufactured for the last year) is causing companies to demand the same ease of use built into Windows. You can drive around to various parking lots in the Bay Area and log into corporate intranets pretty easily with an Airport equipped Powerbook.
On the other hand, its not a panacea. 802.11 would need to be upgraded to 802.12 in order to support switching in cell phones (and right now the movement isn't toward that integration, but into higher speeds such as 802.11a), It lacks discovery and the hardware cost is high (around $100 for a "ready" computer and $150 for one that isn't, and that's after being out for a couple of years).
So in many ways they're for different mobile markets and thus different uses. Much like the difference between building out from airport centers (wireless "ricochet" modem) vs. building along highways (cell phone). I'm curious what the "killer app" and "killer platform" of Bluetooth is going to be in a world that will be saturated with 802.11 by then.
RE: I just don't get it
here is an FYI on the whole thing on the 802.11 standard ( http://wireless.newsfactor.com/perl/story/10292.html ). once again big up to Ed for bringin us all this palm 411
-Raishe
"Monster Pig kills Jesus
More at 11"
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Peace Out
Alan
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RE: battery use
I can't wait to get my hands on the SD Bluetooth as I just got my hands on the Ericsson T39 with GPRS, but still finding myself fiddling around with getting two devices pointing at each other on a flat surface for IR...
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Bluetooth SD Card
www.palmtop-pro.com/news/brnews.htm
sorry - the page is german only.
The bluetooth device is the lower left.
Boris
Why Not Self-contained
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Ben
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About the antenae... There are phones in the UK which have internal antenae... the nokia 3210,3310,3331,8210
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That is from the logo on the front and the size.
RE: Picture
http://www.pdafrance.com/newspics/sdbt.jpg
(this link, from a french-palm-news-site might be usable only for some day's).
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Big Deal
http://www.widcomm.com/Products/software_devel_kit_blueconnect.asp
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dorks
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Check here for Palm V bluetooth available now !!
http://www.tactel.se/products/bt/bluev/
There is also a version for 50x series, Clie and Pocket PC also.
RE: Check here for Palm V bluetooth available now !!
Looks really nice, but the site's merely a tease
Sled vs. card
It seems that by using the expansion slot on the Palm m50x you wouldn't be able to run some of the programs you might want to use Bluetooth's capabilities for. By using a sled you would still have all of the features of your PDA but with the added benefits of Bluetooth.
Just a thought.
RE: Sled vs. card
RE: Sled vs. card
(well, except for configuring which item it actually controls...)
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Other Palms?
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www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2173&MODE=FLAT
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Rohan
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This is one of the reasons many owners of Palm-branded handhelds are waiting impatiently for all kinds of SD I/O peripherals, not just this Bluetooth one.
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The Peripherals Come in 2 by 2
- 2 printers
- 2 scanners
- 2 Palm cradles (one for my m500 and one for partners V)
- 2 speakers
- 2 input devices (kbd and mouse)
I already have a USB hub hanging off the thing, plus a USB-Serial adapter (for the V).
I don't mind the peripherals. Its the wires in, under and around the desk that my feet get caught on, and which I am sure drive my girlfriend crazy.
Bring it on as far as I'm concerned.
R U illiterate?!?
3 Stupid Questions
2. Are there any cellular phones that use bluetooth that are available in the US? (I think Motorola has a timeport and Ericsson has an R-something... but I'm not sure.)
3. Will these systems (cell phone <-> palm) be compatible out of the box?
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-Raishe
"Monster Pig kills Jesus
More at 11"
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Rohan
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May never see the light of day.
RE: May never see the light of day.
My 2 cents,
Eric Guaquil
RE: May never see the light of day.
Xircom's Bluetooth products for a PAN network. Right now, they've got stuff for Handsprings, laptops, PCs and even for Pocket PC. Now when Palm comes out with their Bluetooth SD card, we too can ride and enjoy the PAN bandwagon!
RE: May never see the light of day.
On another note, although Bluetooth has been slow to catch on, I'm sure that as long as companies such as Palm and Sony begin to release Bluetooth devices, it will continue to catch on. All it takes is for one cellphone manufacture to add it to their phones for the rest to be forced to include it or be left behind. In the mean time, we can still use Bluetooth for multiple Palms to communicate with each other wirelessly and without line of sight.
Peace Out
Alan
Evidence?
launch in India
Startac & m505 in the USA ?
Size might matter
Therefore I wonder if this might actually be prone to being broken off whilst in situ.
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RE: Size might matter
In either case, the specialists handling ergonomics will surely ensure the card is not likely to snap off or click out when its host device is shoved into the jean pocket behind its owner's wallet..
Rohan
You could be smarter (rhymes with the previous topic)
1) ~$150... add the cost of the m505... and you have a "really-expensive-pda-for-no-reason" that can be connected with a cell phone but does not INCLUDE one (at this price!) AND eats up the ONLY expansion slot.
2) this is why toshiba did not get "afraid" to implement it (since they make their own antagonistic PDA)... you see you don't need to be really smart to understand that in no time toshiba will have the peripheral ready for use in their 550/570 series... doing the same, for about the same price, with a more powerful PDA AND leaving one expansion slot empty... (and also striking the new hi-end iPAQ which has bt AND an empty slot also)
this is a lose-lose situation nice (or maybe "fascinating") just for the existing palm users' eyes...
as simple as that
M500 Serial Cradle
where can I buy the Palm Bluetooth card?
where can I buy the Palm Bluetooth card?
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