Comments on: Handspring Cuts Sales Predictions, Prism Price

Handspring admitted late yesterday that they aren't going to make their original sales estimates for their current quarter. Near the beginning, they estimated that sales would be over $130 million this quarter. Instead, they said yesterday are going to be closer to $60 million. Last quarter, Handspring had sales of $123.8 million.

As part of their attempts to increase sales, Handspring will cut the price of the Prism from $450 to $400. This should go into effect this weekend.

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Handspring Price Cuts

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 9:39:40 AM #
I'm not surprised Handspring has dropped the price on the Prism. Compared to the other color Palms in that price range, the m505 and N710C, the Prism was a poor deal. And while I think the Edge is a nice little handheld, I can't see myself paying $400 for it so I'm happy to see its price drop.

It is sad for me to say but right now Handspring doesn't have an interesting high-end model. As sick as most of us are of the m505 vs. N710C wars, I think it is interesting that Handspring doesn't get brought up much. In the old days, the endless fight was Palm vs. Handspring but it looks like Handspring has finally lost that.

Which isn't to say that Handspring doesn't make good stuff. But their best handhelds are in the middle price range. The Solo is too high priced for the low end and their high-end stuff doesn't offer enough bang for the buck.

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:15:59 AM #
I think I must have read your comment 3 or 4 times now. I am confused as to how you can make such comments. Do us all a favor and lurk around for a couple weeks before you act like you know something.

You are telling me you wouldn't pay 400 dollars for an Prism, and you think a competitive m505 is good deal? You also mention that it doesn't offer enough bang for the buck. When I get done ranting I am going to name the module we have for the Handspring and the "ghost" modules we have for the m505. Poor deal compared to the m505, are you nuts?

Handspring has never really taken the market with a high end model. Look at how the Visor was introduced at a lower price, more features, but non-upgradeable RAM. What market do you think they are going for? Take a wild guess. What do you mean by high-end as well? I can't think of a function the handspring can't do that the other palm powered pieces do. I mean, have you ever read about some of these modules made for electrical engineers, or medical practicioners.

Name one other company that is offering a trade in credit for PDA's? My friend, you say the war has been lost. To who? Palm? Are you kidding me, who is the maker that has to destroy over 300 million dollars worth of back inventory because it just won't leave the shelves?

The ONLY maker that can justify their high-end offering would be Sony. Look at the features. Look at the screen. HandEra, and this is just my personal opinion, doesn't seem to interest me because the expansion capabilities just aren't there yet. Compact flash, Handspring has been there.

eh, talk to you later.

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:56:38 AM #
To the idiot who replied to the original post:

This smacks of the same stupidity and internecine warfare when CrApple cloned the Macintrash. It was the CrApple camp versus the clonse manufacturers with every blithering idiot defending one or the other. And while the dolts continued bickering, Wintel and friends destroyed them both in marketshare. Same stuff is happening with Palm and friends. If these corporate bozos don't innovate soon and fast, they're going to be another CrApple and friends.

TANX.

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 11:06:35 AM #
> Handspring has never really taken the market with a high end model.

The Prism was released at $450. So was the Edge. If that's not high-end, what is?

Sorry if I wasn't too clear in my first post. $450 is too much to pay for the Prism. $400 is more reasonable.

p.s. To the guy who posted at 10:56: You might actually have a chance at convincing somebody if you could get through a sentence without insulting someone.

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 11:29:27 AM #
> The Prism was released at $450. So was the Edge. If that's not high-end, what is?

Actually, the Edge was originally $399. I think it was priced to compete with the m500. Turns out neither one is selling so good. Maybe this is a sign that b&w won't cut it in high-end machines anymore. Still good for mid and low-end models, tho.

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
fkclo @ 6/8/2001 12:24:16 PM #
In a free market, demand and supply should be allowed to play. I do not see any reason why we have to debate worth or not worth.

Although I am an Edge user, I am more than happy to see all the price adjustment on 50x, and Visors. Afterall, we - the consumers - are going to benefit.

Francis Lo
Hong Kong

B&W is dead. I told you people weeks ago.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 8:17:54 PM #
What does Handspring offer anymore? The Prism brick? The Bulky, dated, obsolete Springboard? The Edge which is a Vx knock-off but not as good??? Handspring is toast unless they pull some new innovative technology out of their a&& in the next 3 months. I would never buy a Prism or an Edge when I could have a m505 or a Clie.

The new color Handspring should shut you up very quickly
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:15:15 PM #
It will be released in a couple weeks.

Huh?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 12:41:12 AM #
The new color Handspring? Released in a few weeks, never before being announced, with no electronic shows between now and then? Moron!!!!!

RE: Handspring Price Cuts
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 12:42:06 AM #
bulky springboards...obsolete springboards.....where are sony's expansion items? How much fun is it trying to listen to mp3s on that MISleading mp3 player?with the handspring you have your choice of 2 mp3playersat a price less than the propietary memory stick.no cam, no keyboard, no gps....While you are paying $100 bucks more for a uselessmemory stick.. I will be paying much less for my flash, backup, cameras , smart media memory and other modules..
Handspring makes ( for the money) the BEST handhelds in the industry can your pocket pc/ palm/handera/ipaq/sony do presentations....wireless ethernet....your choice of modems ( at least a half dozen.)..cross platform (does your sony come with a windows 3.1, 95 desktop? mac desktop?) NOT
go ahead buy the palm and when that super thin flash card snaps/cracks/ breaks you will wonder what a great deal you got.
Handspring Overpriced... maybe but you cannot question the quality. While handspring leads, the others will follow. I'll stick with the innovator. you guys can get the immitator.

OT - Brighthand's incompetent Steve Bush fired!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 1:33:44 AM #
Rumor has it that bumbling www.brighthand.com editor, Steve Bush just was fired for a series of mistakes that made Brighthand's site become the butt of countless jokes among Palm devotees.

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?&threadid=20651&pagenumber=1


http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?&threadid=20382&pagenumber=1

RE: New HandSpring Colour unit.
fkclo @ 6/9/2001 6:18:38 AM #
I looked at the Edge construction and realised that technically it is quite easy for Handspring to come up with a "Edge" format colour version. The sandwiched design, the mini-springboard connector, and the way they laid out the bottom connector and stylus silo can help save Handspring a lot of time and money if it choose to launch a colour version of its Edge.

So, what is missing or holding back the release of a new, more compact Visor unit ? Basically all the components are there. Production can ramp up easily with the "module concept". The critical factors is where the new model will sell if it is only OS3.5.2 and a V50x colour screen. Secondly, adding a new model will certainly add pressure to its inventory problems.

But imagine if Handspring talked to Handera and create a colour version of the 240 x 320 screen with virtual graffiti, then I can see the potential. I don't know however, if Handspring is allowed to added 3rd party features not developed within their existing OS license with Palm Inc.



Francis Lo
Hong Kong

Lame

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:29:01 AM #
The innovation with Palm OS hardware has been so weak that I'm beginning to lose interest altogether. I can't believe Palm or Handspring did not make the grafitti area soft two years ago. I'm happy with my III and certainly dont see anything on the horizon to make me get too excited about things to come.

Standardizing the expansion ports across the platform and lower $$ would be a good start.

RE: Lame
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:53:01 AM #
Palm and friends aren't going to standardize connectors anytime soon.

Why?

Because they make alot of money on high-margin accessories that you are forced to purchase again-and-again everytime they introduce a new palm device. Frankly I'm sick and tired of it and that's why I declined to "upgrade" my Vx.

And frankly when Palm gets off their arses and introduces OS 5.0, it's going to be for all purposes like PocketPC. So, I'm eyeing some the next generation pocket pcs coming out by the end of the year.

Too little. Too late.

;-)
Satan @ 6/22/2001 2:54:59 PM #
Huh?
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 12:41:12 AM

The new color Handspring? Released in a few weeks, never before being announced, with no electronic shows between now and then? Moron!!!!!

;-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-)


How do you feel now?


I knew it!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 12:28:06 PM #
Since Clie N710C came out, I have been expecting this to happen, finally!! (Glad I just sold my Prism)!

[ No Subject ]

Will @ 6/8/2001 3:48:19 PM #
Buy Palm stock. Palm has control of the market with the 500 series!
RE: [ No Subject ]
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 7:19:12 PM #
Well, I don't think so!

Palm shares at $6 now but could hit $1.50 soon.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 8:21:54 PM #
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Palm Stock Price Rises

Will @ 6/8/2001 10:21:48 PM #
All the negative ends on June 26th when Palm reports losses and gets it behind them. The current stock price reflects the inevitable. Watch what happens after the inventory correction! Do most people really want windows running on their palm? I think not. By some Palm stock now while it's cheap!!!
o
Palm Stock will be below $3 in less than a month
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 11:42:15 PM #
Continued poor (and declining) sales of the m500 and m505 will probably drive Palm stock prices to below $3 by July. Now would be a stupid time to invest in Palm.

Furthermore, their wireless strategy is doomed to fail and the new color Sony and (upcoming) Handspring models mean Palm has now lost the high end as well. They need to find out if they can get out of their OS licensing contracts before the go bankrupt.

Palm's not alone

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/8/2001 10:26:10 PM #
Perhaps Palm is not entirely alone in its financial troubles. Witness Handspring's recent price reduction on the Visor Edge--a unit that, while nice, clearly does not represent a major step forward for the Palm platform. Just because something looks cool doesn't make it innnovative. In today's economy, innovation is what truly gains profits. "Coolness" is perhaps a fringe benefit, but it's ONLY on the fringe. Lots of investors lost a lot of money in the past year betting on "coolness." Some people are likely losing money from PALM and HAND right now. The reason? Coolness prevailing over innovation. Handspring obviously provided innovation with the Springboard, and the Prism's color was another major step. But those items have aged by modern standards, and the Edge is weak. This thing was a dud from the start, and anyone who says otherwise is an apologist blinded by their own loyalty. Palm's mistake was pre-announcing the m50x series before shipping; Handspring's mistake was trumpeting the Edge as a "flagship" device. Both companies are now paying the price. Here's hoping the REAL innovations put forth by Sony and Handera help the PalmOS retain its viability.

Who owns stock in Palm

Will in Salt Lake @ 6/8/2001 10:44:40 PM #
? I do. Would like opinions from Palm stock owners. Are you buying?
Buy Palm products - BUT - buy MSFT stock.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 9:49:29 AM #
nt

Let's Sum All This Up

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 10:27:37 AM #
I'm going to save a lot of people time by summarizing what appear to be the vast majority of posts on this site when 1) a new product is introduced, or 2) an article details troubles for a company. Near as I can tell, it goes something like this:

"My PDA is better than your PDA. It can do all these things, and yours can't. AND it's easier to use than yours. And it's got a better screen. Or at least, I'm FINE with the screen. My PDA can beat up your PDA. It's got a new killer app available ONLY for it that gives it this ability. If you didn't know about that app, well, maybe you should stop showing your ignorance, . Don't post messages about things you don't know about, . My PDA company is also better than your PDA company. My PDA company has all the REAL innovations; yours only imitates mine. Everything my PDA company developed is the greatest--yours never did anything original. And just wait until you see the NEXT device my PDA company is working on. My PDA company is the best around. Yours is seeing its stock price plummet (deservedly), and it'll probably go bankrupt within the next 6 months. My PDA company will buy yours soon and eliminate it, since yours was never any good to begin with. Your CEO is an idiot; mine is a visionary. ...and by the way, your mother is ugly..."

If any of this sounds like you, well, you can log off now and go DO SOMETHING. Go to the park. Throw a frisbee. Go see a movie. Go to the mall. Go for a drive. Go grocery shopping. Wash your car. Paint your house. Have sex. Play golf. Spend some time with your kids. But get a life and do something that forces you to turn off your computer and leave your PDA at home. "I love my PDA." What a ridiculous statement. You LOVE an inanimate object? Are you a child? It's a sad commentary on our society that we love electronic gizmos but treat living, breathing humans like dirt. We get in auto accidents because we're busy checking our beloved PDAs for a number we need to enter on our cellphones. But we can't treat the other driver with civility; we may even get violent toward them. I shudder at the thought of an m505 user wrecking with a Clie user--or worse, an iPaq user. It sometimes makes me wish for the simpler days when pen and paper ruled. I don't remember too many obscenity-laced tirades over the merits of Papermate versus Bic. Do you?

Pontificating is fun. Let us alone and YOU go do something!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 10:46:21 AM #
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RE: Let's Sum All This Up
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/9/2001 11:54:57 AM #
if you don't like it, leave. or i will throw my big bulky pda at your head.

RE: Let's Sum All This Up
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 11:15:12 PM #
Pontificating is one thing. Posting childish insults is another. What that post appears to reference is all the idiots who consider it necessary to crown their personal PDA as the "ultimate PDA."

And, yes, please do throw your big, bulky PDA. Then maybe it'll hit a wall and break...

[ No Subject ]

Marc B. @ 6/9/2001 9:28:59 PM #
I was going to sell a Palm3c with modem for a Handspring. But the Palm works fine for email using Eudora. Give Eudora Palm OS suite a try. It's free as well.

RE: palm III
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/10/2001 11:18:59 AM #
I think the low price of the palm III and palmIIIc makes it the best deal out there. The new pda's are not that much better than the old palmIII ( who needs a faster processer and new OS?) Enjoy your palm IIIc and I will enjoy mine and run every palm program available out there today. :)

All Palm os Wince wiltat the end of this yearúĺ

Mark @ 6/10/2001 11:45:11 AM #
All this will end at the end of this year if Palm os companies do not put more functions on one unit. A company http://www.pogo-tech.com has 1 PDA mobile phone (GSM or GPRS) with MP3 capability, 16bit colour TFT, web browser 5times faster than any bandwith (2.5G technology), it is so cheap only around $300 (sterling 200). you won't believe it.
RE: All Palm os Wince wiltat the end of this yearúĺ
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/6/2001 11:00:14 PM #
do you know when pogo will have a unit working in california?

Re: Let's Sum All This Up

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/10/2001 1:19:46 PM #
Thank you for posting what many are thinking. It's just sad to see all of the cruel and immature comments made here by adults.
RE: Re: Let's Sum All This Up
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 1:40:12 PM #
>> Thank you for posting what many are thinking. It's just sad to see all of the cruel and immature comments made here by adults.


I think this is the most immature comments I have ever seen.

RE: Re: Let's Sum All This Up
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/11/2001 11:17:28 PM #
Why? Because it struck a nerve?

C'mon!

Daryl Burchfield @ 6/12/2001 6:27:45 AM #
C'mon, Handspring! Only $50.00 off a prism? Try $150.00 and i'll give it a try.
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