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LandWare has released Pocket Quicken 2.0, their financial tracking app. This new version offers improved account support and desktop synchronization. It also has enhanced transaction editing and budgeting. In addition, it has support for color screens and foreign currencies. It is available for Windows now and a Mac version is planned for Q3. It is $40, though registered users of previous versions can upgrade for $15.
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Not bad...

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 10:07:37 AM #
I d/l'd it last night and installed it. A big improvement over version 1. Still not as slick as, say, QuikBudget, but it is great to be able to hotsync the last 3 months (or six or whatever you choose) of your register to the Palm. Budgeting remains the biggest weakness, with NO downloading of budget data from Quicken 2001. You have to create the budget by hand on the Palm, with every month being the same amount. To me, this remains a problem. If I'm out looking at an expensive toy, Palmpilot... I need to know how much slack I have in my budget to cover it. Thats the kind of information you need right in the palm of your hand, and I think Landware has missed the point again and again regarding this. But overall, well worth the upgrade price if you already own version 1. Not sure if it's really worth $40, but if you live and die by Quicken on the desktop, its probably worth having it on your Palm, too.

RE: Not bad...
Logan @ 6/6/2001 11:02:16 AM #
One of the major design criteria governing PQ2.0 was to maintain compatibility with older versions of Quicken (back to Q99). In order to achieve this we where restricted in what information we could exchange *seamlessly* with Quicken. Unfortunately this meant we simply couldn't transfer budget information with the existing (and next) versions of Quicken.

Moving forward in v2.5 and 3.0 etc you will see PQ exchanging more and more info with quicken, however to obtain that functionality will require upgrading the desktop version.

RE: Not bad...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 1:29:55 PM #
Logan, it's good to have a "peek" at your future releases. It's also good to see that you are planning some additional releases in the hopefully not-to-distant furture, i.e. the time frame between the PQ1 and PQ2 releases.

RE: Not bad...
slot_machine @ 6/6/2001 1:40:30 PM #
so the hot sync goes both ways now? that's the reason I never bought 1.0

RE: Not bad...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:50:01 PM #
Hello Logan, (I'll assume you are the same one listed in the About box ;). I'm the original anonymous poster on this thread. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a worthwile upgrade, and I've already paid my upgrade fee.

My gripes are really based on two things. One, the list price - but the value of the program will of course differ from person to person. As someone below mentioned, if it saves you from a bounced check, it pays for itself. To me, if it helps me stick to my budget, then it is worth every penny. YMMV :)

The second and bigger problem to me is the time between upgrades. I'm griping about the problems with the budgeting because I bought the original Pocket Quicken in 1999 (one of the first) and I really don't want to wait another year and a half for the next version that addresses all these current complaints. If you don't mind, what kind of time frame are you looking at for updates?


RoofusPennymore @ 6/6/2001 11:05:28 AM #
It appears that there is a MacOS compatable conduit. Not exactly clear from their website.

RE: MacOS?
Logan @ 6/6/2001 11:13:30 AM #
We are still working on the Mac Conduit. Look for it early next month.

RE: MacOS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:50:54 PM #
Yes! A new conduit that supports Quicken files on server volumes I hope...


RE: MacOS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/7/2001 12:12:24 AM #
Why MacOS? No one still uses Macintrash

RE: MacOS?
kinnerc @ 6/7/2001 9:31:01 AM #
It's comments like the one just above that make me believe in registering to post comments: it keeps out the children!

Logan, I have to agree with some of the comments that have been said here with regard to cost and that it might not be a good idea to duplicate the full Quicken functionality on the Palm. YMMV with regard to full functionality, of course, but I have to agree that its a bit odd that the full price of Pocket Quicken is what it is.

Having said that, however, I urge you folks in the strongest possible terms to release the Macintosh version of Pocket Quicken as quickly as quality will allow. That it will be released sometime early next month is music to my ears. Pocket Quicken is my killer app on the Palm and I've been using the program since you folks wrote it for the Newton MessagePad!

RE: MacOS?
clinton @ 6/7/2001 6:14:30 PM #
Actually Pocket Quicken was developed on my #1 choice of computers: A Macintosh Powerbook G3.


I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 11:02:36 AM #
I installed it last night and tried to link it with my Quicken 2001 Deluxe and failed every time. I kept getting an error when transferring my categories and data from my computer to my m505. I had Quicken 99 and PktQuicken 1.01 and it worked fine but now it's all screwed up.

RE: Problems
Logan @ 6/6/2001 11:09:34 AM #
And the error is???

You might want to check out our help wizard at:

which covers all the common issues you might see with PQ2.0. If that doesn't cure your problem then our tech support team would be only too happy to help. call them at 201 261 7944

RE: Problems
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:05:24 PM #
morningstar1844 here, hi, hope you got up and running1
I installed the new version over the old this morning but after a quick 800 call to tech support I was up and running. On the 2nd installation I chose to repair(as one of the selected options) and things worked fine! This is well worth the upgrade price of 14.95. Now instead of choosing to write a payment, one just selects the account and enter your first letter of the payee and now one is on the main check screen. They really did some fine tuning to this version. Have a great day

PQ vs. SplashMoney

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 11:25:28 AM #
Though they seem to have been removed with this new release, the PalmGear reviews of PocketQuicken 1.x were really bad -- slow support replies, years between upgrades, etc. While this upgrade appears much improved, I have to wonder whether they will keep up with the yearly releases of Quicken Desktop. I was also really surprised to see that PQ costs _more_ than I paid for Quicken itself (twice as much as Quicken Basic)!

The design philosophy behind PQ seems to be replicate the Quicken experience as completely as possible on the handheld. As with many other Palm apps, this isn't really what I want -- instead I want the limited interface I'll need on the road, which is primarily just data entry. I'm never going to balance my checkbook on my Palm.

I found an app called SplashMoney (See that had the more limited, "desktop tentacle" approach I wanted, and was $20 cheaper to boot. The support has been excellent -- they usually answer every mail within a day, if not a few hours.

The only real limitation is that it doesn't automatically sync data out of Quicken into the Palm, which it seems PQ 2.0 does. This isn't a drawback for me -- SplashMoney does do the Palm -> Quicken sync perfectly well -- but others may see it as one. I wish Intuit would open an API for handheld app authors to use, so that the company with worse support and higher prices wouldn't be the only one that can sync both ways. (When SplashMoney transactions appear in Quicken, they are labelled as coming from "PocketQuicken" -- as if it were the only handheld option!) That way the rich Palm app marketplace could compete on a level field for the best implementation. Maybe this exists, but it seems not to given PQ's by-name identification in Quicken.

Blah blah blah. Check out SplashMoney. $20 cheaper, and it does everything you'll ever need on the Palm.

RE: PQ vs. SplashMoney
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:10:45 PM #
morningstar1844 here, if one is already a "pocket quicken" owner the upgrade is only 14.95 and one does not have to learn a new program and therefore cheaper

RE: PQ vs. SplashMoney
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:35:26 PM #
Too bad SplashMoney doesn't fully support Macintosh (uploading transactions) and splits.

RE: PQ vs. SplashMoney
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/19/2001 2:12:20 AM #
SplashMoney 2.0 can now integrate with Quicken Desktop exactly the same and easy way as Pocket Quicken. I'm a PQ 1.0 user, but now I'm seriously considering to switch to SplashMoney. With only $5 more, I can do a lot more with SplashMoney than with PocketQuicken.

Pocket Money

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 11:43:27 AM #
I'd always heard that Pocket Money was a lot better than Pocket Quicken. How does this new version of Pocket Quicken address the deficiencies, relative to Pocket Money, that I've read/heard about over the years?

Pocket Quicken in the UK
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 1:01:42 PM #
I stayed clear of Pocket Quicken because I read reports
that it did not handle UK versions of Desktop Quicken.

Does anyone know what these issues were and if they have
been resolved with this new release?

RE: Pocket Money
Logan @ 6/6/2001 1:09:12 PM #
Unfortunately at this stage Pocket Quicken 2.0 still requires the US or Canadian version of Quicken.

I know I can hear the groans from hear :-)

The UK version of Quicken represents a different code base developed by a completely separate development team and unfortunately differs slightly at the engine room level. The fix required to provide Pocket Quicken compatibility is something that can only be done by the UK Quicken team and not by us here at LandWare.

We where really hoping that Intuit UK could have facilitated this fix for the initial 2.0 release but this was not to be. Please believe me when I say that LandWare is trying hard to get them roll in this compatibility fix as soon as possible.


I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 12:07:28 PM #
$40? Do they buy you dinner, first?

RE: Sodomy?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 12:27:56 PM #
But if it saves you one bounced check it has paid for itself no?

Please don't worry you don't have to buy it if you don't want to-- simply select one of the many other alternatives.

This is good stuff

gellmanb @ 6/6/2001 1:17:53 PM #
I'm surprised by the negative comments. I've found Landware responsive on tech support. It took a long time to develop this major upgrade, but I've been using PQ for weeks (I was a beta tester, no other relation to the company) and love it.

Some people just want to enter transactions on the fly, and PQ may be overkill for that. Even so, it does them very nicely: Recently I had the car repaired and wrote a "check" on my Palm while still in the shop. Next time I synced, the payment was queued for electronic transmission in desktop Quicken. That's a very nice feature -- instead of making a To Do reminding me to pay someone, I just pay them.

I also really like carrying a year's transactions on the Palm. I've got 1293 transactions from 28 accounts and 63 memorized transactions -- and the total PQ data takes up 165k on the Palm. I seem to find myself once a week or so in a conversation with my wife or a vendor on whether we made the final kids camp payment, or whether a check cleared, and I have the answer in my pocket.

PQ now lets you sync investment account values, so you can keep running tabs on your Schwab account or 401k.

For me the biggest hole is inability to get transactions or portfolio details on investments. I'd sure like a summary of holdings and latest prices, but that's going to have to await a future version.

RE: This is good stuff
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/6/2001 2:52:26 PM #
What repair shop lets you leave without money in hand? You entered the check in Pocket Quicken, went home, synced it to Quicken, and THEN it was electronically transferred to the repair shop???? Here, you need cash or Visa before you see your keys.

RE: This is good stuff
gellmanb @ 6/6/2001 3:03:45 PM #
Hey, what can I say, honest face. Actually we know each other far too well. Repeat customer. He doesn't like plastic, and I didn't have a checkbook on me.

Cool, But Hard To Justify

superbenk @ 6/7/2001 3:59:26 PM #
I love this software! But it's hard to pay as much as I did for the full blown desktop version for a miniature Palm version. I just don't know if $40 is worth it for the conveniece of not carrying my receipts home or keeping a mental note of my balances. Now, if they offered a $15 upgrade for Quicken DESKTOP owners, that would be very cool!

RE: Cool, But Hard To Justify
clinton @ 6/7/2001 6:24:56 PM #
Perhaps this might help:

$40 equals:
- 3 hours parking in manhattan
- 1 bounced check
- 2 weeks of cable tv
- 1 speeding ticket
- 1 microsoft tech support incident

Considering that the average american wastes well over $1000 a year due to financial mismanagement while at the same time spends 155 hours a year managing their personal finances, Pocket Quicken should be able to free up at least 2 weeks of TV watching time.

I hope view this message in the same good humour as it was intended.

RE: Cool, But Hard To Justify
superbenk @ 6/8/2001 10:26:11 AM #
I don't know where you are from, but I certainly don't pay those kinds of prices! Parking is free, TV is less than that for a whole month, my bounced checks MAY be $25 TOPS, don't speed or don't get caught and NEVER NEVER NEVER actually call Microsoft to fix a problem!!! On that last point, you may as well bend over a lube up cause it's about the same thing.

Now, $40 for the desktop basic version is good money spent... $10-$15 for Palm portability is also good money spent... $40 for an EXTENSION of the desktop version is poor money management.

Get BankBook3

Bill Walker @ 6/8/2001 7:55:06 AM #
BankBook3 is 15.00 and it sync's
with Quicken or Money. It works
beautifully. You can see Balance
for a Date, posted or cleared. HANDANGO.COM I really was pleasantly suprised.
Regards, Bill
RE: Get BankBook3
Logan @ 6/10/2001 7:40:53 AM #
I just wanted to clarify that BankBook3 allows you to import and export transactions from quicken using intermediate QIF files. This is not the equivalent of the palm concept of "syncronization".


Gustavo Buentello @ 6/8/2001 7:22:14 PM #


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