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There were a couple of interesting statements from handheld company execs. Palm's CEO said they are going to be more aggressive about selling to companies and Handspring's COO admitted that leaving color out of the Visor Edge was a mistake.
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RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
I bet you've never even seen a the high resolution screen.
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
AriB
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
If Palm still has a hardware division next spring (and has not been absorbed by IBM), they will probably obtain the high resolution color screens from Sony, just like they currently obtain the low resolution color screens from that company.
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
The only zealots I see are those Palm fanatics who still insist on defending their m505s against every negative comment as if the m505s were a member of the family.
> I wouldn't touch a Sony with a stick. Speaking of sticks, I definitely wouldn't touch a MemoryStick either. It's becoming really annoying how Sony zealots are so full of themselves. The only thing worth mentioning about Sony's line is the S320's reasonable price and a barely impressive hi-res screen on their really expensive models. Thanks, but no thanks.
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
m505s were a member of the family."
Typical Sony folks. I don't have an m505. By this time next year, people will laugh at the 610/710's sad excuse for a screen. Sony should've taken a lesson from PocketPC and made a screen with some actual real estate instead of squeezing more and more pixels into a smaller and smaller screen. If some dinky company like HandEra can do it in the Palm OS, Sony ought to be able to. What's next, 640x640 on a 2 inch screen? Maybe they'll stick another quarter inch of glass over it while they're at it. Enjoy your expensive screen while you can, it won't last long at the top of the Palm OS chain. Don't be so excited about things that PocketPC folks have had for a while, and maybe you'll come back down to earth.
m505 Selling Well
Here's a quote from Cnet:
- "Even though Palm released the m505 right at the end of the second quarter, (the product) was still the No. 4" seller at retail for the quarter, [NPD analyst Stephen] Baker said. In fact, he added, Palm had "the seven top sellers" during the second quarter.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-202-6792981.html
m505 a sales flop
Palm's latest quarterly report will probably trigged a number of long-overdue dismissals of their clueless, bloated management.
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Typical Sony folks. I don't have an m505. By this time next year, people will laugh at the 610/710's sad excuse for a screen. Sony should've taken a lesson from PocketPC and made a screen with some actual real estate instead of squeezing more and more pixels into a smaller and smaller screen. If some dinky company like HandEra can do it in the Palm OS, Sony ought to be able to. What's next, 640x640 on a 2 inch screen? Maybe they'll stick another quarter inch of glass over it while they're at it. Enjoy your expensive screen while you can, it won't last long at the top of the Palm OS chain. Don't be so excited about things that PocketPC folks have had for a while, and maybe you'll come back down to earth.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
I can't hear you. Speak up
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
RE: The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
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Another model you might consider is the HandEra. It is also black and white, but has a larger viewable screen area (when you are not writing).
Why recommend an m500 over the Sony CLIE S320?
Only an idiot would buy the m500 for $399 - or even $299 for that matter.
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The m125 doesn't sound too bad for the original poster, if the screen looks reasonable. Otherwise, if you want expansion, there's the m500 (a bit expensive), the HandEra 330 and TRGpro (the TRGpro's a great value, but kind of big), and the midrange Visors (but I don't usually recommend the Visors since they're not flash upgradable).
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And only an idiot would say that.
Don't bother trying to argue with the CLIE bashers
RE: Don't bother trying to argue with the CLIE bashers
Help All of Us
I wish I could tell who had written all these messages. I'd they're from maybe 5 people, none of whom is normal Palm or Sony user. I wish you guys would just exchange addresses and take your flame war somewhere else. Its really boring. You're also hurting what you're trying to defend by making first timers think all of us are a bunch of nutjobs. I think your both wrong for no other reason than people as irritating as you can't possibly be right about anything.
Palm m505 v. Sony Clie N610C/N710C: THE WINNER IS...
Seeing the Palm camp attempt to rally around the feeble m125 is tragic. The new kid on the block now owns the block and is about to take over the entire town. It must hurt to see your entire company collapsing around you and be utterly powerless to stop it.
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>>>>The 610/710's screens may be higher-res and brighter than the m505, but it's still too small, under too much plastic/glass and too dim for a $400-$500 price tag.<<<<<
Funny how the m505 users keep praising that the 610/710's screen is TOO SMALL. Have you even taken a 610/710 and an m505 NEXT TO EACH OTHER and COMPARE THEM? From looking at it, they are almost exactly the same size. And if you take a ruler or look even closer, the 610/710's screen is smaller by about 1 millifreakinmeter. And if 1mm is WAY too "big" for you, then you have to be an Ant to care for 1mm. Sheesh. And yes, I'm a 710c user. The the S300 I know for a fact (I owned one a long time ago) Has a way smaller screen, and has a smaller screen compared to the Palm Vx too (very noticeable difference). So, the first "report" i heard about 710 screen being smaller than m500/505 I went out to compusa, stuck my 710 next to a working display model of the m505 and did my comparisons, and like i said, the 610/710 is smaller by about 1mm. And again i say, if you think 1mm is way too small, then you gotta be an ant or something! Sheesh!
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so, the clie's screen may be too small for some people not because its smaller then the m505, but because its smaller then the III. The m505 screen may also be too small for some people because of the same reasons.
Personally, I don't mind the size of either screen. I can even handle the m100's screen.
-Pepper
I love my Palm . . . do you?
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AriB
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John
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I, myself, own a Sony 710C and I love it. But I definitely respect the people who have chosen the m505 and I even can understand why they would choose that particular model. Simply put: they both are excelent machines.
It's just too bad that when people come and read these boards, the only thing they see is "hey, my sony is better than your 505" and vice versa. It's also too bad that the people who actually see things evenly have to put up with that kind of nonsense.
And as for the m125: this model will bring in a few thousand new Palm users, meaning that there will be more programs that *everyone* can use. Live with it's existence (if you haven't already) and move on.
Eric Garrido
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I don't want to drag this out, but there never was a vice versa. Someone started a thread that bashed every Palm device available and said how great Sonys are and that Palm is about dead. I tried to point out that the Sony devices are not perfect either, and some idiot(s) kept insisting that I was making a comparison to the m505. If you read the thread carefully, it's obvious that I was not even trying to discuss the m505. All I kept saying is that if you're going to offer a higher-res screen, it ought to be bigger not smaller, and other reasons why I don't think the CLIE's screen is that great (certainly not worth $400-$500). Heck, I wouldn't buy a m505 either for that matter. Neither of their screens are that great for the money.
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Think about the larger picture.
Not to be corney, but "can't we all get along?"
Eric Garrido
How can this be called m125?
I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I'm just saying a lot of consumers will be confused by this if it indeed is called the m125. Any thoughts?
RE: How can this be called m125?
RE: How can this be called m125?
I bet the m125 is replacing both the m100 and m105.
m125 - low price point
m500 - mid
m505 - high
m700 - high
And also, everything in the Palm product line will have SD and the Universal Connector. They really want to have SD hit critical mass and become THE standard. The m100 was an ill-conceived stop-gap for the low end. The only question is, is there room for an m30x? What gap would an m30x fill if any?
why is everybody fussing over about palm?
RE: why is everybody fussing over about palm?
Go back to your PocketPC forum where you belong and let us continue our Palm vs. Sony wars in peace.
RE: why is everybody fussing over about palm?
1. Quirky Performance from a lousy, complicated mess of an OS
2. Not a truly portable device, which kinda defeats its own purpose for a lot of people...
3. The ABSOLUTE WORST ! Graffiti writing system!
4. Not as well accepted into the business world as PALM..
5. Just Plain, stupid unplanned, GARBAGE!!!!!!!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE PALM OS, THEN GO TO BRIGHTGHAND, OR ANY OTHER PC POCKEDT SISSY SITE...
Stick your screen...
If I wanted a
•hi-res screen
•16-bit Colour
•MP3 playback
•Access to a huge library of software
•Cheap memory expansion
of course I would get a Clie, it would make sense
If I wanted
•Light-weight
•16-bit colour
•Access to a huge library of software
•Business oriented features
I would buy a m505
If I wanted
•hi-res screen
• expandability
•huge assortment of peripherals
•Access to a huge library of software
•An amplified internal speaker (which saves me $10 on buying an alarm clock)
I would get a 330
There those are a broad definition (so no one get your feathers in a ruffle, cuz if this gets you angry-buy a IIIxe and a pair of rollerblades and enjoy the real world for a few hours, the sun and fresh air tends to clear out the cobwebs =)
Take care!
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The m125 is proof that Palm's hardware is second rate
Palm's current lineup shows an amazing lack of innovation from a company that seems to have become fat and lazy:
m100 - nice basic model for new users and those looking for just PIM functionality. Need to drop price to below $100. Basically a repackaged version of a 4 year old PDA
m105 - overpriced for what it offers and now blown away by CLIE S320
m500 - the PDA no-one wants (for a good reason). This might sell if they cut the price to $250 - but then isn't that what the m125 will cost?
m505 - poor color screen, only has size in its favor. A sales disappointment, and Palm was betting its future on this model. Will be remembered as the PDA that killed Palm. Would have made more sense at $350, but now that Sony's N610C is out, it's too late anyway.
IIIc - essentially discontinued
Vx - about to be discontinued. Still is the best design Palm ever produced - too bad they never released a 16 MB version.
VII - about to be discontinued
With nothing significant in the hardware pipeline, no I/O standard yet ratified for the SD slot, sales plummetting, vicious competition from Sony and Handspring, and Palm OS 5 and the new processors at least a year away, what does the future hold for Palm?