Comments on: Palm i705 Approved by FCC

Palm has received approval from the Federal Communications Commission to make a new wireless handheld model, the Palm i705. In order to get permission, the company had to give the FCC details on the device, which are now available.

The image which was leaked a few months ago of the device turns to be what it really looks like. It will have a built-in antenna and an SD slot. Of course, it will also use Palm's Universal Connector that appears on the m500 series.

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Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 1:24:13 PM #

Before all the trolls start complaining about how the device looks, or that doesn't have color, let me say that I think this thing looks cool. I know that it doesn't have a m500 form factor, but lets not forget that this is an always on wireless PDA. It certainly looks a lot cooler than any other wireless PDA's out there. It's cooler than a blackberry, cooler than an iPaq with a big old sleeve and a pcmcia card with an antenna sticking out the back. I have a Palm Vx and I will be upgrading to this for sure.

RE: Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 1:36:42 PM #

I am a happy user of Palm VIIx. I will upgrade too.

RE: Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:56:56 PM #

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll? How sad that you are so insecure.

RE: Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 6:02:04 PM #

People have right to express their feeling , they are not necessary to be a troll if they have different opinion from yours

RE: Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 8:37:05 PM #

Ok, so Im a troll. WE WANT COLOR...why would you create such a device without color? Hell, there is a Samsung PHONE that has color.

RE: Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/8/2002 11:16:14 AM #

Why not use colour.......for a start it makes it heavier PLUS it zaps the power much quicker.

Damn you're fast...

Flash @ 8/28/2001 1:29:45 PM #

I just saw the article on CNET and was about to come here and let you know. The article was just published 1/2 an hour ago...way to go Ed.

**Flash**
--Martin Sheen is my President.--
www.votescount2002.com

Color highly doubted

Moosecat @ 8/28/2001 1:31:45 PM #

The fact that it ends in 5 doesn't mean much about the color of its screen (see m105, m125). Maybe they'll introduce a color one later, but I doubt we'll see it now. (Especially given that its target audience -- people who currently purchase Blackberries -- is not accustomed to color, and none of the i705's direct competitors (um... Blackberry) have color.)

RE: Color highly doubted

Ed @ 8/28/2001 1:40:38 PM #

I agree with you. The fact that there is a contrast icon on the image strongly suggests it will be monochrome, as the m505 lacks this. I guess I'm confused why they would make an i705 without an i700. I thought their numbering scheme might be more like the m500 series, but maybe not. I wasn't thinking about the m100 and m105, where the m105 is an improved version of the m100, but not with a better screen.

I'm still left wondering, is there going to be an i700?

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RE: Color highly doubted

AriB @ 8/29/2001 3:38:14 AM #

yeah there will be a i700 and it will have color :)

RE: Color highly doubted

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/24/2002 7:53:30 PM #

To tell the truth, I carry both a BlackBerry, and a M505 ALWAYS... I hate the blackberry's calendar, taskpad, well everything except the always on email linked to my at work exchange server address.... if I could get a palm, even a monochrome one with the always on email, and the functionality of the Palm, I'd be in techie heaven... and several of the lawyers I work with (I'm not a lawyer myself) that have switched from palm to blackberry, wished palm had a wireless email version... I think this could be big..

GPRS?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 1:44:55 PM #

Is the wireless connection going to be GPRS? If not, what?

RE: GPRS?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:56:57 PM #

Chances are it will be Palm.net proprietary network.

RE: GPRS?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 6:49:26 AM #

I think that it will be GPRS. The infrastructure is here in Europe.

FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 1:54:16 PM #

Anybody got the link to the FCC filing?

RE: FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:10:24 PM #

Go to:

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/

Type 03W as the Grantee Code, I70500 as the product code (optionally, if you don't, you get the Palm VII also). When the results come up, hit Display Exhibits.

It has a bunch of pictures of the outside and innards. Looks like (from the identical frequency range as the VII) that it is using Mobitex as well.

RE: FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:19:19 PM #

0 Matches Found For:
GRANTEE CODE = 03W

Query Results:
There are no records matching your query.

RE: FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:20:44 PM #

O as in the letter O, not zero.

RE: FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:30:04 PM #

Here's the URL for the FCC link to the new Palm m705 photos. Once you're there, click on Exhibit 3 - External Photos.

** I'm sorry, this link was so long it was throwing off the formatting for the whole page. I have replaced it with this shorter version that goes to the same place:
http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?V21323C0
-Ed **

RE: FCC link

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:34:36 PM #

Just to add that the pictures are in a Acrobat PDF file.

RE: FCC link

Ed @ 8/28/2001 2:44:29 PM #

Sorry about having to remove the link. I'm adding the photos from the FCC filing to the article right now.

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Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

robrecht @ 8/28/2001 2:23:58 PM #

I would be very grateful if some Palm VII users could comment on any dissatisfaction with the limited web browsing capability currently available with the VII.

Is it possible to use the a more "traditional" type of web browser, ie, something like Handsprings "Blazer"?

What is the coverage like?

What data transfer speeds should we expect?

I hope this will help many people evaluate the details on the i705 as they become available.

Thanks, Rob

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

alex_mathews @ 8/28/2001 2:33:36 PM #

Looking at the user manual included with the FCC filing it looks like you should be able to do normal internet browsing with a web clipping application. Don't know if that includes using non Web Clipping applications for email and internet browsing though.

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

sford @ 8/28/2001 2:38:15 PM #

I've used both full wireless web using a connector kit and my IIIc, and I've also used web clipping on a VIIx, and I very much prefer the clipping...just wish I could get it in color. :) Surfing the web on a Palm-sized screen just never appealed to me, especially since most sites didn't fully work that way (links, etc, did nothing). If I need to get to the internet on my Palm (on the road, etc.), I need specific information, and that's what web clipping is all about: targeted information retrieval. It was a little slow at times, and I did need to walk over to a window on a few occasions, but since it's not charged by minute, I was fine with that.

I do hope this puppy has a follow up color big brother soon after! Still waiting for Samsung's contribution....

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

bcombee @ 8/28/2001 4:29:46 PM #

I would add that Palm really improved the web surfing experience on the VII/VIIx back in February when they moved to their new proxies. These ones do a much better job of reformatting sites than the original Palm.net proxy. I can pretty much find anything I want by using iKnapsack to launch any URL. Google on the Palm VII also works very well.

The speed is a bit slow, but that would be my only complaint.

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

madhatter @ 8/28/2001 5:35:12 PM #

I have been using my Palm VII and VIIx since both first hit the market. At first I thought it would be novelty which would wear off. My wife thought so as well.

Now it has become a daily item to search the net for directions, telephone numbers, addresses, check my bank balance before going grocery shopping, e-mails, and text paging some of my employees while on the road Recently I have even been able to access my business files and home files and forward them to a fax machine or e-mail address when I have forgotten them...

Adding always on ability is a great feature, as long as it does not dramatically alter the battery life. I expect to upgrade as soon as it hits the shelves. Previous comments about slow downloads are sometimes true, but the ability to access what you need "right now" offsets the slowness.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 6:10:54 PM #

You are obviously a Palm god!

How do you access business files and home files and forward them to a fax machine or e-mail address?

Please use small words; I am not a techie.

Thanks!

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

madhatter @ 8/28/2001 8:42:54 PM #

Go to www.Vvault.com. It requires an "always on" connections, such as DSL or Cable Modem. Even if you do not have an always on, you can store files on Vvault server and then fax or e-mail them directly from your Palm VIIx. The new service is just getting started, and so far is working extremely well.

I was storing all the files I use for training, or copies of stuff I need instant access to on their server, but this new service is even better. Best of all it appears to work right though my firewall... ( after I give it permission that is...)

Vvault has made it real easy to get files to their server. You get an email address, and a fax number. You can email with attachments or fax the document. If the attachment is a simple text file, you can even view it on your Palm wirelessly.

Hope this helps

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

madhatter @ 8/28/2001 8:50:54 PM #

Sorry.. the previous post was from me.. just forgot to login.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 8:57:10 AM #

I would have to agree with some of the comments above. I never wanted to surf the internet on what is essentially a 2x2 inch screen. If I want to surf, I do it at home or work. If I'm on the road, I need quick access to news, maps, e-mail, etc. My VIIx does the job perfectly.

RE: Please Share Your Experience with Palm VII Web Services

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 11:49:54 AM #

I've had a Palm VIIx since the prices came down, and I gotta tell you, the only thing that sucks about it is the drain on the batteries. I was a very happy MONTH out of my Palm III, but if you use the online functions of the VIIx, you're lucky to get 2 weeks. I pray that the m700 will be rechargable...

i705 definetely NOT color screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:35:11 PM #

I have just read the manual. The only time color is mentioned is when talking about what PC you should use to sync it with...

And all the photos of the screen in the manual are black/white.

Too bad. Thats what I wanted anyway. Color and wireless.

RE: i705 definetely NOT color screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:42:30 PM #

Why not get a Prism & springboard module? What would be lost with this kind of arrangement, perhaps the always on capability?

RE: i705 definetely NOT color screen

robrecht @ 8/28/2001 3:34:18 PM #

Free VisorPhone with the purchase of any Handspring Visor and activation of service plan.

RE: i705 definetely NOT color screen

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 3:59:23 PM #

Can a Visor Prism with the CDMA Sprint VisorPhone do everything a Palm VII can do? I know it can supposedly do "more" with Blazer but are there any drawbacks (other than price). Can the Handspring arrangement access the same web-clipping sites just as well as the Palm or is some of this stuff proprietary with Palm?

Thanks for any info!

RE: i705 definetely NOT color screen

alex_mathews @ 8/28/2001 5:09:25 PM #

I currently use a Palm IIIxe connected to a Qualcomm 2760 thin phone. I have web clipping and use a browser for web browsing. I did need have to go through a Palm OS backdoor to set the Web Clipping Proxy server address and I had to get the libraries. All this is explained on various websites. Though this was before the web kit was available from Palm.

The experience should be no different with the CDMA springboard, because I'm sure it will dial into Sprints Quick Network Connect (QNC) dial-in. That's the one nice thing about Sprint, you don't need an ISP to get an internet connection. Though, it won't be the always on type connection like the i705.

Owner's Manual

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:48:30 PM #

Lots of questions can be answered by downloading the user's manual.
It's freely available at:

Just go to the bottom of the page and you'll see the user's manual. It's big but has lots of info....

Does anybody know....

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 2:52:36 PM #

Palm and Sprint mentioned a collaboration a few months back. Is the 705 going to use this, instead of the bi-directional pager technology that the VII uses? If they got FCC approval, it must be on record somewhere.

RE: Does anybody know....

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:23:01 PM #

It uses Mobitex. See the comment below for more info.

Linking

Ed @ 8/28/2001 1:16:17 PM #

Please don't post direct links to any of the FCC pages. These links are extremely long and will distort the formatting of this page, making it difficult for everyone to read. There is a link to the document download page at the end of the article.

Ryan is working on a method that will allow you to post links of any length without this problem but in the mean time, please follow this rule from the instructions: "Please try keep URL's small and all on one line"

Thanks.

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RE: Linking

mikecane @ 8/28/2001 3:49:15 PM #

Ed: People *could* post such links *if* they knew to go to:

http://www.makeashorterlink.com

-- an excellent site/service for making loooong URLs, er, shorter.

MultiMail with Palm.net

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 3:40:35 PM #

What's most interesting (to me as a Palm VII user, at least) is that the built-in
MultiMail will support wireless email via Palm.net -- at least according to the
Users Manual. Wouldn't mind getting that MultiMail version for my current
Palm VII as a replacement for iMessenger....

Should you have done this?

SilliconMan @ 8/28/2001 3:40:26 PM #

Ed should you have even done this? You remember what happened last time: Palm was forced to announce the m500 and m505 early causing problems.

Is this gonna happen AGAIN????

Seems like its people like you who cause/caused the problems. No offense but it pisses me.

Palming away.....

RE: Should you have done this?

Admin @ 8/28/2001 3:52:48 PM #

We are reporting on information that was made public first by CNET, if we never covered it everyone else would have.

If anyone is really to blame for making the info & pictures available it's the FCC or Palm for not requesting that the documents be kept confidential. Furthermore, Palm's CEO Mr. Yankowski has hinted at an "always-on" wireless palm for quite some time now, as was the same case with the m500 series.

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Ryan
Editor in Chief
webmaster@palminfocenter.com

RE: Should you have done this?

rkenedi @ 8/28/2001 4:07:09 PM #

I'm interested in seeing the latest rumours and info, and I think Palm Infocenter is one of the places that should be publishing this information, albiet carefully.

Your argument, to me, sounds like this:

"stories like this one forced Palm to release their m500 series early (before they were ready to)"

If that's the case, I personally believe Palm announced their m500 series to trump Handspring and Sony who were each preparing to release new handhelds at the time. They weren't ready to release it, but they announced it for competitive reasons, not because of rumours spread on Palm fan sites...

Just my 2 cents :)

Rob.

RE: Should you have done this?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:18:34 PM #

According to the documents on the FCC site, Palm did request confidentiality during the submission process and for the period after the FCC grant was given. It seems as though they have made all details of the application public immediately after the grant was made, however. Maybe the FCC figured the public had a right to know? I'm not suggesting that's what happened - just a thought.

RE: Should you have done this?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:22:26 PM #

You 'll see that the product will be available in the stores very soon....

There's no pressure right now for palm. they knew that the photos could be seen by the public..

WAB

RE: Should you have done this?

Ed @ 8/28/2001 4:29:51 PM #

I read over the Request for Confidentiality and it is only for certain parts (Exhibits 4, 5, 10, 12). Checking on the list of files, I see that those have withheld. This includes circuit diagrams, parts lists, and some other stuff. Looks like they didn't even try to hide the info on the rest of it. Maybe they didn't try because they knew they would be refused.

The FCC has to operate under the Freedom of Information Act, which means virtually every record possessed by a federal agency must be made available to the public in one form or another, unless it is specifically exempted from disclosure.

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RE: Should you have done this?

Meirav @ 8/28/2001 7:16:27 PM #

Don't blame Ed. The FCC database is a public information source. He's just providing reliable information to his readership, which is his job as an publisher.

RE: Should you have done this?

SilliconMan @ 8/28/2001 9:44:35 PM #

OK. Well, I see your point. The FCC has to give out this info.

I really think if CNET and these other people didn't do this, it wouldn't be such a problem.

Whatever, I think Palm new the risks....

Like I said, the press can really cause problems, and then they blame it on other stuff. Pathetic.

Sorry if I blamed things to much on this site tho, I overreacted.

Palming away.....

It uses Mobitex

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 3:45:27 PM #

Looking at the SAR documents and the Cover letter spells out that the Radio in the i705 uses the Mobitex network. Mobitex is the same network used by the RIM Blackberry. Coverage maps are available from the Mobitex Operations Association
(http://www.mobitex.org/resources/uscompare.html). They find Mobitex coverage better or comparable to CDPD coverage.

The good thing is all the investment in improving the Mobitex network because of RIM popularity will also mean better service coverage for the i705.

RE: It uses Mobitex

bcombee @ 8/28/2001 4:32:49 PM #

Mobitex is also the network used by the Palm VII and VIIx devices. Its nothing new for Palm, though I'd hope they have improved the power usage of their radios so these won't require constant recharging.

Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

rsuplido @ 8/28/2001 4:08:28 PM #

In the U.S., I'd rather use my Palm and the newest Nokia 3360 (coming September). It has infrared and an internal modem.

Surf, check email, send SMS, upload tones, upload logos -- more fun.

Here's the link:
http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?G13315C0

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

rsuplido @ 8/28/2001 4:19:10 PM #

Ed,

help with the link. thanks.

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

Hed @ 8/28/2001 6:36:38 PM #

Do you think that this phone will be better than the Nokia 7160? That is what I currently use.

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

ahecht @ 8/29/2001 2:35:19 AM #

Damn Nokia's numbering system. I have the 3390, which has no IR, no modem, no WAP, no way to connect a data cable, etc. You'd think the 3360 would be less advanced, not more.

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 11:32:37 PM #

The 3390 is not supposed to be more advanced than the 3360. The two last number means the technology they run on. xx90 means GSM 1900mhz (in North America), xx10 = GSM 900mhz, xx50 = GSM 900+1800mhz, xx20 = TDMA 800mhz, xx60 TDMA 800+1900mhz and xx80 or xx85 = CDMA. It's the first 2 number that describe a specific model and features normally. ex. the Nokia 3310 is more advanced than the 3210.

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/2001 8:36:08 AM #

Nokia will be releasing 3395 soon (WAP, 20 downloadable ringtones). If you want data, you really should have gone with 8290 or upcoming 8390 - much better phone than any 33xx.

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/1/2001 1:16:47 AM #

you didn't actually read that description of the numbering system that was before your post, did you?

if he's interested in a nokia xx60 phone, an xx90 phone won't do him alot of good, will it?

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/5/2001 1:35:51 AM #

first off the 3360 is far better than the 8260 b/c of price, and as a rebutle towards the previous message, why doesn't he just use different service, E.g. the equilvalent to a 8390 for ATT will be the 8360..also the higher the number doesnt nessesarily mean it is better the 8860 sucks ass..the 8260 is by far better. the best nokia on the US market today is the 3360 because of it modem,ir,games and cost

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/12/2001 12:12:07 PM #

bitch slap?

RE: Will Palm i705 sell? Alternative: my Palm and the Nokia 3360

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/17/2002 9:45:00 PM #

does anyone know what type of cord to use to hook up the palm Vx to the nokia 3360? i didn't think the 3360 had a modem.

Highlights from the users manual

marig @ 8/28/2001 4:22:49 PM #

I know some of this is mentioned in the updated article, but here are some interesting operational tidbits I found in the user's manual:

1. Desktop e-mail director used to forward enterprise e-mail to the i705.
2. The radio can be turned on or off separately from the handheld. It can be left always on (at loss of battery life, I assume) or scheduled be on for part of the day via a start and end time.
3. Mail-to links in web-clipping apps now bring up Multi-Mail Deluxe.
4. In the manual, a comment from the author mentions the Everest project (the i705) and the "Battra" project. Any info. on what this might be? It's in the section on Multi-mail deluxe.
5. E-mail notification (via flashing light or vibrate) is configurable via filtration of messages.
6. Enterprise e-mail via the Desktop director goes to a second mailbox within MultiMail. I assume the first one is for Palm.net email.
7. In MultiMail Deluxe, each account/mailbox can be configured to use Palm wireless, HotSync conduit or modem/data-enabled phone.
8. E-mail notification can be scheduled to occur only during certain times of the day.
9. Must turn the radio off(!) before using a modem accessory. I'm guessing the IP stack would get confused, otherwise.

The most surprising thing to me was the ability to turn the radio on/off. I would assume that there is a fair amount of power drawn with it on all the time, and they had to do this to keep battery life in line with expectations. Does anyone know how other "always-on" devices (i.e., Blackberry) deal with this? Are they really always on?

Anyway, I think this is a nice set of features for Palm's next generation wireless device.

I'm hoping they can significantly lower the monthly service costs in conjunction with the release of this device. I think they would have serious sales potential with that combination.

RE: Highlights from the users manual

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:45:40 PM #

I used to carry a RIM950 (Blackberry) pager for work. You have the ability to turn off the radio and still access the other functions, alternately you could schedule the device to be on or off at certain times and any email sent while the device was off would be delivered once the device was back on. This was with the older OS which did not have all of the PIM functions that the newer OS has, so things may have changed. Personally I think that the scheduling ability in the i705 would be ideal, assuming that email queues up until the radio turns on again.

RE: Highlights from the users manual

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 8:51:59 PM #

The Rim 950/957 radio modems save batteries by sleeping most of the time.
It wakes up for a very short time every few seconds and listens for an announcement
that mail is waiting. If nothing is heard it goes back to sleep. This is built-in to Mobitex.
No reason to think that the palm will not take advantage of this.
This is how the rim 95x series blows away the 85x series (on another network) in battery life.

It also will scale back its max 2 watt tx output to the minimum power required to pass data,
as do most cell phones.

Its actually Mobitex (pronounced mo-ba-tex, by the Swedish guys anyway), not mobitext
and the network is growing by an average of 1 base a day, everday.
However dont look for a large scale buildout of the rural network until cows start
wearing 2-way pagers.

Cingular Interactive (formerly BellSouth Wirelss Data, formally RAM Mobile Data)
is the name if the company that owns and maintains the physical network.

Nationwide coverage in the Cities and the burbs is getting better everyday.
Congestion problems in places like NYC have largely been solved.
Latency can be as small as 15 seconds from sent to received.

Sounds like I must be in sales, but i'm not, i'm involved on the network side.

Rodgers communications is the Mobitex provider in Canada. Their network uses the same
equipment ours does so if Palm.net has an agreement with them it will work there also.
Roaming between USA and Canada with a company provided 950 didnt work for me 6 mo ago
but might now.

The current European version of Mobitex operates at 450 MHz, ours at 900,
so obviously the two are not compatable. I believe there is talk about using another system soon
in Europe.

/Bob

Yeah but......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:36:34 PM #

will it work in Canada? Palm always seems to forget about the big chunk of land above the USA.

RE: Yeah but......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:49:10 PM #

I would also be interested in knowing this - I would love this type of device (would love it more with color) however, where I am located I could not even get rim coverage. For those that have this coverage will there be a provider that will utilize the new m705 model? I think that there is a huge market here in Canada - espcially Ontario - there is a growing use of handhelds here. Come on - lets see it.

RE: Yeah but......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:13:22 PM #

And what about Europe?

RIM / Blackberry has aready started in Engand and Italy.
If Palm is not speeding up - they loose the game.
If they make the 700 available fast - the blow RIM out of their socks - I upgrade from my m505 for sure to the m700!

RE: Yeah but......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 6:12:53 PM #

Crap. It uses Mobitex. This means the same crappy coverage outside of big cities as the Palm VII. (Palm has California mentality -- they don't remember that lots of us DON'T live in metro areas.)

RE: Yeah but......

Snubolis @ 8/28/2001 7:39:14 PM #

I certainly hope it will work in Canada, and the rest of the world for that matter. That's what I think was the biggest problem with the VII series.

Since it's using the Mobitex network, I'm *hoping* the i705 will work wherever the blackberry's worked (albeit a small coverage area at that). That way the devices will already have a fair sized pre-established network coverage area, as opposed to the palm.net service, which was only in the states.

Snubolis
Vancouver, Canada

RE: Yeah but......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/2001 7:07:56 PM #

It should work in Canada, as it uses the same Mobitex Data Network:

http://www.shoprogers.com/store/mobilecomputing/BlackBerry/bb_over_cover.asp

Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:44:39 PM #

I searched all over Palm's site for a press release. I could not find any mention of the 705. Its not official. When Palm releases a press release then its official. Just because a company seeks approval from the FCC and approval is granted does not make it official. Palm could never release this thing to the public.

RE: Its not official...

EGarrido @ 8/28/2001 4:53:57 PM #

Why couldn't they, exactly?

Eric Garrido

RE: Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 4:57:33 PM #

All license request and device approvals from the FCC are public. Just because the FCC makes these records public does not mean its an official release from the party requesting such approval. Once an application has been approved the company could deccided to can the whole thing. Its happened in the past. (not by palm, but other companys)

RE: Its not official...

Ed @ 8/28/2001 5:03:38 PM #

I think he (or she) has a point. "Official" isn't really the best term for this situation. It won't really be official until Palm itself announces it. Hmmm, let me think about a better title. Suggestions?

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RE: Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:30:12 PM #

"approved by FCC"

RE: Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:30:55 PM #

"Confirmed"

RE: Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:34:11 PM #

"Rumored Next Generation Wireless Palm gets FCC approval."

RE: Its not official...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:36:00 PM #

Uh...yeah...whatever.

RE: Its not official...

Moosecat @ 8/28/2001 5:44:17 PM #

Wireless Palm Nears Launch

Palm Secures Regulatory Approval For Wireless Palm

New Wireless Palm Is Palm-erific

Palm Abandons Well-Established Product Naming Conventions In Confusing But Wireless New Device

Blackberry To Declare Bankruptcy

RE: Its not official...

Ed @ 8/28/2001 5:56:18 PM #

Congratulations, we have a winner. I went with "Palm i705 Approved by FCC". Thanks for the suggestions. I almost picked "Uh...yeah...whatever" but it didn't quite set the tone I was looking for. The last two from Moosecat made me smile.

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Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:08:13 PM #

If it will, it will be a homerun for corporation users.

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

Ed @ 8/28/2001 6:05:35 PM #

The user manual says that MultiMail Deluxe supports attachments but doesn't say much else. Judging from previous versions, add-ons will be needed to allow these attachments to be opened and read.

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RE: Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 6:21:50 PM #

From http://www.palm.com/software/multimail/

"The ultimate POP3/IMAP4/NNTP email client for your Palm handheld, feature packed for road warriors who want to leave their laptop behind. MultiMail Pro supports email attachments using our unique open plugin architecture. MultiMail Pro can process a continually growing list of attachments: Zip, MSWord, Quicksheet, CSV, Text, VCard, Palm PRC applications and PDB files, and many more.

New with version 3.1 comes the ability to send and receive messages and attachments up to 2MB. Just snap on a modem to your Palm handheld and you are email ready!"

Given the fact that Palm will probably bundle Docs-to-Go with the i705, I believe that they will have a true Blackberry killer here.

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

AriB @ 8/28/2001 11:53:40 PM #

I hope it doesn't let you use attachments with nasty VBS viruses though :)

Can any Palm read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 12:39:11 AM #

>MultiMail Pro supports email attachments...

This is standing there on the page but simply not true.
We tried every program available for the Palm – the fact is: There is no program available for the Palm allowing attachments.

No PAlm can work with attachments today - except some mostly useless thricks with fetch / webclipping.

Even you find about 10 programs claiming they can do – including Mutimail – fact is, they programs simply do not work as advertised. Not ione of them. Thats a homerun for PPC.

I wonder, why nobody was disturbed by this fact - probably nobody need this function anyhow...

Boris

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 12:45:53 AM #

Don't get me wrong, I love PPC, but there are no home runs for handhelds that you have to plug into a wall socket every 2 hours.

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 1:34:50 AM #

True - I fully agree - PPC have there attractive points, but for a pro on the field they are mostly useless for theit short "lifetime".

That was not my point - my point was that I wonder why someone can claim literally for years a function (attachment capability) and sell products simply not delivering as advertised.

And nowbody seems to have a problem with that.

We spend a fortune on securing this simple fact - no reliable attachment sending / recieving on the Palm is working today

Boris

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 1:45:35 AM #

Boris,

I stand upset and appalled with you. These companies are amazing.

Marketing people either don't care or don't realize that what they say isn't really true. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they that they assume that the techies in the company know what they are talking about.

But the techies are still trying to learn what a left join really is. It does work in their head, or it ought to work, or it worked on their test machine (at least once) before some other techie added their code. They probably haven't had enough sleep in the past 3 years to actually try out a product, which reminds them of how totally screwed up management and marketing jerks are, and then they need to go get drunk or play video games to unwind or else they will throw their computer against the wall.

And don't even get me started on "tech support," the people who are supposed to be able to speak to real techies and explain their sleep-deprived ranting to the rest of us.

In the end, it's just easier to boot up your laptop.

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 9:31:29 AM #

>Marketing people either don't care or don't
>realise that what they say isn't really true.
>Let's give them the benefit of the doubt
>and assume they that they assume that
>the techies in the company know

No!

Lawyer ***an is also not giving anybody outside the US the benefit of doubt.

If I advertise and sell a product with a given spec. I’m responsible for it.

We waded through a pile of mud and spendet many manhours to find out that the commercial (as well as the shareware) programs did not work as advertised.

Boris

RE: Will it support to read attachments?

digichimp @ 8/30/2001 2:57:12 AM #

Boris,
have you looked into SkipWire?
Idini?
ThinMail? (not thin air)
Heck even Xdrive had the capability to view files from the server and that was a year ago.

My VIIx with iMessenger is great for short under 50K email. I get 20-30 emails a day and the majority of them don't have attachments. I don't need the functionality but its there. Try it or not.

GSM and SIM Card Slot?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:45:07 PM #

.. will this model work in European GSM Networks? Will it be HSCSD compatible? Where does the SIM Card go, if the slot seen is an SD slot?

Thanks!

RE: GSM and SIM Card Slot?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 5:51:35 PM #

I suppose it will work like the Palm VII. If there is a Sim slot, they should have added the calling feature too.

RE: GSM and SIM Card Slot?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 6:19:30 PM #

It doesn't use sim cards, and no it won't work in eurpoe.

Some items still held confidential!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 6:33:47 PM #

Did anyone else notice the 4th pdf file listed on the page... : "Request for Confidentiality"??? The items which we have been able to see are not listed under what palm has requested to be confidential (why?!).

The following are things we still haven't seen yet:

Exhibit 4 Block diagrams
Exhibit 5 Circuit diagrams
Exhibit 10 Parts list
Tune-up procedure
Exhibit 12 Operational description attachments

Hmm...

RE: Some items still held confidential!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2002 2:23:56 AM #

Hi! can you please tell me where can I find some block daigrams or part list of palm PDA or handhelds , am into a market research on palm.

I would like to kno the scehmatic that they use so that I can determine the BOM.

waiting for a rply

regards
Gaurav

I think its COLOR for sure. I might be wrong though

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 7:08:05 PM #

I believe it to be in color. Heres my Simple theory
Take a palm m505 or any color PDA for that matter and put a black and white one next to it...The one that is color is gonna have a white / silver type screen and the black and white one whill have a greenish screen.

When looking at the 705 pictures, you see the screen as white / silverish.

I believe its color.

Thats my take.

RE: I think its COLOR for sure. I might be wrong though

TheClone @ 8/29/2001 10:54:24 AM #

What about the m500? It has a silver screen but it isn't color. I don't think screen color and color display are corellated in any way.

m701i Should be FREE

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 7:22:59 PM #

I can get handspring phone for free with all the nifty whatever internet service. Why should I pay for another Palm gadget with exactly same spec but additional radio transmitter. If I broke the screen...well I guess I need to buy another one.

contrast this to Hanspring, crunch the Visor, well get another visor. Visor getting outmoded,? get another update...but the phone remain the same.

Plus I can actually use this darned wireless gadget to actually "TALK" (imagine that, a wireless for voice communication)

Anybody insane enough getting this device for $499 + monthly data transmission?

Last time Palm tries this trick Palm couldn't give away the $99 VII.

why would anybody want this?

RE: m701i Should be FREE

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 5:14:09 PM #

I'm not sure I understand this comment. (Which seems to echo the constant Handspring mantra of expansion slots)

Don't you think that any piece of Handspring hardware will be obselete in 2 years? You're not saving anything buy buying a Handspring.

Blackberry Patent fight.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 7:30:34 PM #

Anybody has an update with Palm Vs. blackberry patent infringement fight over "unified wireless mbx"?

Attention Palm! The i705 antenna needs another option!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 8:53:04 PM #

I see from the i705 photo that there are three options for having the radio/antenna email check "ON". Option 1 is "Always". Option 2 is "Never" Option 3 is "Between X am/pm and Y am/pm" times. Why not have an option of: "On the Off every X minutes". This way, the Palm i705 could automatically turn itself on maybe every 30 minutes - check for email - and then turn itself off. I would think this would be the most efficient use of the battery life. Am I missing something? What do you all think?

RE: Attention Palm! The i705 antenna needs another option!

bcombee @ 8/28/2001 11:55:39 PM #

The Mobitex network was designed for two-way pagers; it has a very efficient signaling mechanism to alert devices that there are packets for them. Basically, the devices do go into sleep (radio-off) mode, waking up every 30 seconds to 1 minute to monitor the radio spectrum for a short period of time. This window is tied to the device ID, and the network knows to send device notifications during that time.

So, saying Radio On really means Radio Mostly Off. Its already very power efficient.

I think I've Seen This Before

ishtvansrs @ 8/28/2001 9:13:01 PM #

Did Palm buy up a bunch of Handspring Visor Edges' and use their cases for the i705?

Where's my "Always-On Email" SD Card for my m505?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 9:56:56 PM #

This isn't Star Trek. There is no perfect PDA.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2001 11:34:13 PM #

Its called I/O. SD NO I/0. When Palm bet on SD for the m505, it seemed like a long term gamble in a short term world but it was also a temporary stop-gap against the SONY (hence announced Memory Stick support for the next processors). And a B/W i705 is just another stop-gap.

Good luck with your m505!

Blackberry Killers

Cheetah @ 8/29/2001 12:52:15 AM #

The new 705 and the new Handspring PDAs look to be aiming right at RIM's Blackberry.

Looks like RIM will have to pull another rabbit out of their hat, or go the way of the Osborne.

RE: Blackberry Killers

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 12:56:57 AM #

Joan or Ozzy?

OZZY

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 3:17:55 AM #

Never bite the head off a rabid bat, kids...

Commentary & Questions

PalmPowered @ 8/29/2001 9:52:56 AM #

There is no doubt that the new i705 will not meet everyone's needs-no handheld made will do that. Nevertheless, it's another step in a series of steps that will someday get us all to where we want to be. You have to crawl before you can walk and then you have to walk before you can run. I think Palm is getting ready to sprint with this newest addition. Some questions I have about the formfactor that may have been answered already (although I didn't see them) are:

Is the case made of the same anodized aluminum as the front of the m500 or the plastic aluminum look that makes up the m500 back?

How thick is the case in comparison to the m500/m505 series?

Is the surface size (screen plus frame) smaller than the 500 series? Maybe it's just the pictures but it seems to be smaller.

Glass or plastic digitizer?

Thanks Ed for bring this (and the Handspring FCC filings) to this forum. There hasn't been this much newsworthy stuff in weeks.

Power Up!

FCC links gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 11:40:28 AM #

Looks like the FCC site should never have had the documenets available to the public. They have pulled both the Palm and the Handspring links from their public site.

RE: FCC links gone

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/2001 4:18:16 PM #

Zdnet has an article about this:
http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?K1A523C0

APPLICATION WITHDRAWN!!!

ahecht @ 8/29/2001 8:17:19 PM #

from Cnet:

(http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?E27641C0)

The Federal Communications Commission, which earlier this week approved new wireless handhelds from Palm and Handspring, has set aside its decisions at the request of the companies.

[snip]

The reason for the FCC's initial actions was that Palm and Handspring originally failed to indicate on their applications that they wanted to delay approval until they were closer to announcing their products, said Bruce Franca, acting chief of the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology.

"We will, at the request of the manufacturer, defer the grants," he said. "All they have to do is check a box."

Franca said Handspring has asked that the grant be held until Oct. 15, although that date could be amended later. Franca said he did not know when the Palm approval might be reauthorized.

For Accessing URLs using Palm.net.......

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/31/2001 9:37:35 AM #

How is the i705 different than the VIIx?

Looks the same to me.

$380 for the new palm i705

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/30/2002 5:03:34 PM #

just saw it over at www.pdadeals.net that you can get the new palm for $380 from dell.com after a coupon, free shipping too, I just got one myself, can't wait for it to come

missy

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