Comments on: Handspring Gets FCC Approval for Two Wireless Handhelds
One model, the Treo k180, has a built-in keyboard like the Blackberry pager. In fact, it is the first PalmOS device ever to not have a Graffiti area at all. The other model, the Treo g180, relies on the traditional Graffiti for text input..
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RE: nice handheld
This looks like a great machine.
It would be nice to see some memory expansion possibilities though.
Because its GSM, you can easily fake always on performance using SMS alerts for e-mails and so.
GPRS would be nice though....
Nick Trevethan
Devon
UK
RE: nice handheld but...
While this is a nice device, there are some concerns from a quality standpoint. For example, the fliptop seems to have clear plastic hinges. Clear plastics to me have always been brittle, or seem brittle This may not be a very good idea in the final product. I can see several users sending their devices back for service because they've snapped off the tops.
Additionally, if this device has any flaws at all, will Handspring be able to survive the financial rigours of a product recall or major replacement drive? Remember that these won't be the relatively cheap mobile devices that Nokia and Ericsson produce - these will be PDA's with more costly components. To compete with the Kyocera offering, Handspring's margins may have to be low as well, even though the phones operate on different bands - CDMA vs. GSM.
Handspring has gone back and redone the "sweaty screen" that people had issues with in the original VisorPhone. Phone functionality would probably be better implemented with a retractable earpiece.
And something I couldn't determine and haven't had the time to verify yet. Is the window in the flip cover an open hole, or is there something there to protect the screen? If there is just an open hole, I believe that we have an design problem. A touch screen, no matter how rugged, should really not go unprotected.
RE: nice handheld
RE: nice handheld
RE: nice handheld
Cover open- device on.
Cover closed- device off.
This being the case, I doubt that there is an open hole to worry about.
RE: nice handheld
RE: nice handheld
RE: nice handheld
RE: nice handheld
Palm/3com/USR have also had problems...
The first Palmpilot Professional I bought last century (!) stopped working within about 10 minutes of taking it out of the box.. On the other hand, the Virsor Deluxe and Visor Prism I own have both worked flawlessly... Its the luck of the draw... Any mass produced, complex device is going to throw up problem units...
Handspring stands behind their products. And their return policy ensures you aren't left device-less for weeks on end.
Anyway, the person making the post questioning quality is basing his judgement on a picture or two.
Why not wait until you get your hands on it before leaping to conclusions?
Nick Trevethan
Devon
UK
All I want for Christmas is ...
Landscapable screen w/ virtual graffiti
More built in RAM
A reliable wireless network
A land-based modem for when I'm vacationing where there are no reliable wirless networks
...
and 7 of 9
RE: All I want for Christmas is ...
HOLY SH**
I know there's gonna be 800 fellow tekkie-geeks tearing these things a new orifice for not being everything a boy could want. But let me be the first to say that I am grateful to be living in the time in science when all of this is coming to fruition. I bet they had similar (albeit greater) feelings of witness during the birth of cars.
I looked at the pics of these and the i705, then I looked down and my IIIc and giggled. I have a Handera in the mail on it's way to my office tomorrow. Giggle.
It's only been a year, and I'm already retro-tech!
I don't care what the haters say. This is great ****.
Hells yeah.
:-)
RE: HOLY SH**
Way to go Ed and PalmInfoCenter.
now u can have your choice, if you're phonecentric or emailcentric
life is good.
Long live Palm OS
RE: HOLY SH**
RE: HOLY SH**
No Springboard, hmm?
In fact, these units are really Palm OS based smartphones, direct competitors to the Kyocera 6035 and the upcoming Samsung i300. Time will tell how they compare against those units, but this seems to suggest a bit of a shift in Handspring's emphasis.
Could this be the end for the Springboard expansion format? Considering how few Springboards ever managed to ship, it wouldn't be terribly surprising if true.
RE: No Springboard, hmm?
HandSpring, or used-to-be-Palm, has something special that Micro$oft will never learn, is that HandSpring knows how to take things out. HandSpring takes unnecessary things out to make its PDA simple and clear.
We know that SpringBoard are nice, but can you imagine how much a cell-phone PDA and SpringBoard module plugged-in weights and how large it's going to be? They already learned a lesson by their VisorPhone that it's too big and too complicated to dial a number.
Great Job, HandSpring!
R.I.P. Springboard
Who knows whether SD will catch on, either. Perhaps all this expansion is geek-oriented but doesn't appeal to the average user. Who really wants to carry a fanny-pack around to use their PDA?
RE: No Springboard, hmm?
RE: No Springboard, hmm?
RE: No Springboard, hmm?
This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
The smallest PDAs are not color, and when you add wireless capability to them they are no longer small.
The best wireless PDAs are neither color nor small.
Nice girls are not beautiful, and beautiful girls are not nice.
PDAs are getting better but these rules still seem to apply.
RE: This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
And 7 of 9 has lots of Borg Springboard module enhancements.
RE: This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
Are pretty girls the last people on earth you can be bigoted to? Unfair generalizations are unfair generalizations no matter what group they are leveled against, even in jest.
RE: This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
RE: This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
RE: This isn't Star Trek, and my wife isn't 7 of 9.
No Springboard slot
I do however think that the wireless outlook [Palm and Handspring models] is looking pretty sweet right now....you gotta love that! I can hear the pitch to my boss now...
RE: No Springboard slot
GSM/GPRS
AT&T has a pilot network operating commercially in Seattle now, and both Cingular and VoiceStream are in testing mode. If their plans go as announced for once, most of the US should be covered by GPRS by the end of 2002, at 800 and 1900 MHz. (The older cellular systems in the US have always been referred to as "800 MHz", whether analog, CDMA or TDMA. They are now trying GSM on the same frequencies, but the GSM naming convention will call these "850 MHz". Go figure.)
Most of Europe is already covered by GPRS, of course, though at 900 and 1800 MHz frequencies. I presume Handspring will have version for our friends across the pond?
-cashman
RE: GSM/GPRS
These new devices look great - but I pray that they are GPRS based. I wouldn't be surprised if they are rolled out concurrently with the Cingular 2.5G network.
With the VisorPhone being a "World Phone" (tri band GSM), I would be surprised if these ones aren't ready for global markets. Makes Palms Mobitex offering look like too little too late (unless the i705 IS colour).
Token.
RE: GSM/GPRS
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News Editor
RE: GSM/GPRS
RE: GSM/GPRS
Rogers AT&T: both companies being joint, but the wireless division in Canada is privately financed seperate from Rogers &/ AT&T (recently but doesn't affect consumers in anyway)!, have plans to add EDGE technology over GPRS raising data transfer speeds to 384Kbps. before the end of 2002!!
Hows that taste!!!!
RE: GSM/GPRS
GPRS version in Europe
RE: GSM/GPRS
Does Roger's not see the huge opp here? There really is an untapped market here...
I would be interested in hearing back from you with any more info you are able to share.
I currently use a palm modem with my m505 (likely will continue to use this when lan line is handy - it is quick), but would not think twice about switching to a device like this or the m705.
I think the wireless company in Canada that embraces this opp first will likely over-run the comp. however, this must be a widely accessable service.
Thanks for the info though it was very interesting.
RE: GSM/GPRS
BTW, Fido already has a working GPRS network in Canada.
Kudos Handspring
Now, how 'bout including one on some non-wireless devices...
(By the way, I am very proficient at Graffiti, but I thing that Graffiti has been an intimidating barrier for the majority of hopeful Palm users out there.)
RE: Kudos Handspring
Treo?
I like some of the ideas they borrowed from Sony (jog dial, adapter) but I don't like that they also borrowed the idea that products should have confusing names. Though maybe Palm dreamed that up first.
RE: Treo?
I wish "treo" implied that there was a third, hi-res color model coming soon with greater expandability and virtual graffiti
RE: Treo?
RE: Treo?
GPRS
"However, at this time these devices appear to lack the "always on" e-mail capability of the not yet released Palm i705."
If it's a GSM 'phone' released, or about to be released, at this time, chases are pretty big that it's a GPRS one, witch means it's always on...
They would be plain stupid to release this gsm/palm thing without utilizing the possibilities of GPRS technology.
RE: GPRS
4MB Flash and 16MB RAM
IC, DRAM, Synch, 128 Mbit, 3.3V Low Power
and
IC, Flash, 2M x 16, 3.3V, Boot Block
the Dragonball used is as expected:
IC, Dragonball VZ, 33 MHz,
Gacel
Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
There may be a trickle down effect into the PDA arena, but I think you will first find the alliance concentrating on bolstering their position in the far more lucrative (through sales volume, NOT profit margin) handset market in Japan and Europe before they make a push into the PDA market.
RE: Oh well, I'll wait for Sony's...
It's....
Picky, yes - but a committee implies a different thing then a commission....
FCC docs no longer available
On request from the companies, one wonders?
-cashman
God that thing is ugly as all get out!
The teeny tiny keyboard doesen't grab me either. The small keyboards don't thrill me. The remind me of the radio shack credit card sized organizers. My Sharp wizard (my last pre palm OS organizer had a bigger keyboard.
RE: God that thing is ugly as all get out!
RE: God that thing is ugly as all get out!
looks damn good to me..
Maybe it's a little bit of a female thing ;)
RE: God that thing is ugly as all get out!
THE TEXT IS A RIPOFF!!!
BUT THIS TEXT IS ALMSOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS VISORCENTRALS!! And VC broke the story first!
Can you be a bit more original next time?
RE: THE TEXT IS A RIPOFF!!!
RE: THE TEXT IS A RIPOFF!!!
RE: THE TEXT IS A RIPOFF!!!
Are drooling imbeciles the last people on earth you can be bigoted to? Unfair generalizations are unfair generalizations no matter what group they are leveled against, even in jest.
The drooling imbecile may indeed be wrong, lack a life, and be trying to start trouble, but that is their right, and we must welcome everything a drooling imbecile says, even when they are wrong, because this is the World Wide Web.
Now, let us all abide by the Geneva Convention in our flame wars and refrain from the use of generalizations of mass destruction.
Interesting...
The combination of wireless data access and voice wireless is a good idea too, even without the "always on" feature (a misnomer since such units aren't "always" on, they're just set up to check the network at intervals). All that would keep that from going over really well would be usability issues (the "sweaty screen" and such) or access restrictions/costs (I never did like that you can get access for Palm's integrated-wireless units only from them). On those two things only time will tell, but I like that these units have both voice and data capabilities.
And I have to say, the picture of the Treo k-180 with the flip-top closed was a heck of a lot better looking than Palm's 705, whether that should matter or not.
Neat ideas, and it will be interesting to see if they're actually released, and how they'll fly if they are. At the least, it's a step along the path.
FCC Withdraws approval
http://www.palmstation.com/view_article.py?article=4630
Handspring "forgot" to check box; Oct 15 release
RE: Handspring
RE: Handspring
David in Pflugerville, TX
APPROVAL WITHDRAWN!!!
(http://makeashorterlink.com/index.php?E27641C0)
The Federal Communications Commission, which earlier this week approved new wireless handhelds from Palm and Handspring, has set aside its decisions at the request of the companies.
The reason for the FCC's initial actions was that Palm and Handspring originally failed to indicate on their applications that they wanted to delay approval until they were closer to announcing their products, said Bruce Franca, acting chief of the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology.
"We will, at the request of the manufacturer, defer the grants," he said. "All they have to do is check a box."
Franca said Handspring has asked that the grant be held until Oct. 15, although that date could be amended later. Franca said he did not know when the Palm approval might be reauthorized.
Explains the free visorphones
Innovation? What innovation?
Please don't flame me - I really am interested in reading feedback on this. Maybe there's some huge technological innovation here that I'm missing. So what is it?
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
I personally spend more time on my PDA than my phone. So, having the wireless capability in the phone is great --- I will be an early adopter.
This isn't innovation, but it is an incremental step in the right direction (now PLEASE give us colour AND wireless in the same device ...).
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
Integrating a phone physically with a PDA is the wrong direction. "Hold on for a minute there Joe, I've got to stop talking now so I can check my PDA phone for the info you need."
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
1. Newton MP100 with external modem - used 1994/95 while travelling around USA, Canada, UK, AND over Atlantic Ocean between Newark and Heathrow to send/receve email while travelling. Early adopter? Yep.
2. Palm VII. Developer of wireless applications - both PQA and native C based. Early adopter? Yep.
3. Handspring Visor + Minstrel S. My daily driver. Early adopter. Not quite - but pretty close on the heels.
4. Mitsubishi T250 WML phone. Certified Wireless Developer for AT&T. Early adopter? Yep.
5. BREW developer (have you even heard of that one yet - CDMA 2000 based, so new its not "commercial" yet).
Am I qualified to comment - I think so, YVMV.
Are these devices new or innovative?? As I mentioned in my previos post, no. The are evolutionary, not revolutionary.
I have no experience with the VisorPhone, but with the Kyocera 6035, using the phone limits the access to the PDA functionality, whether these devices suffer from the same fate is yet to be seen.
I will be an early adopter of this device in preference to the Palm i705. I am already an early adopter (AND developer) of the technology behind it.
These hybrid devices are primarily designed as a PDA with telephony capability, I will be using mine with an earpiece, but if the speaker/mic is anything comparable to the Kyocera - it will have a pretty impressive handfree speakerphone capability.
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
I'm all for the wireless data capabilities, but I can't see replacing my phone with one of these.
RE: Innovation? What innovation?
Is your PDA ready to receive email/message anytime? No.
A Blackberry does not have a touch screen.
A Blackberry does not have many applications.
SO, if you want a single device which can send/receive message anytime in a small form factor with support of thousands of application. That's a wireless Palm device!
Of course, there are people who do not know the difference in terms of size and weight between the two:
1) a Palm wireless device
2) a Mako + an inframodem... and plus a Palm III
Sigh.
Hmm
There are so many changes in the PALM field I am getting confused.
Thanks.
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nice handheld