Comments on: Pirated Upgrade Brings OS 4.1 to N710C
Not surprisingly, Sony strongly advises people against doing this. A company spokesperson made it clear that doing so is a violation of the handheld's warranty.
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RE: OS4.1 Upgrade
Yes it is, unless Sony had the foresight to put warning labels that said "Don't do something stupid and erase the ROM of this handheld unless you are using a Sony authorized procedure."
Personally, I don't think manufacturers are going to be offering upgrades to the preinstalled ROM's anymore. Handhelds are getting too cheap and it's easy to screw up the procedure and turn your handheld into a paperweight. Plus, everyone complains about the price of the upgrade.
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If they would be forthcoming with this information, this type of scenario would never occur.
Think about it. Why should all of the 710c owners who spent a considerable amount of money for their units be subjected to an additional $80.00 fee.
Wake up Sony - start treating your customers right . .
RE: OS4.1 Upgrade
I don't see any from OS perspective. Of course, you need to update your PC software to run it, but those are available as well (Palm desktop and Hotsync 4.01; Picturegear Lite 4.4, etc.)
There is OS4.1 bug for keyboard activation (a and 1), but now there is a hack out to correct it also.
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Palm has been offering upgrade to OS for some time. I've upgradeded my IIIx and Vx twice so far.
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SilkScreen Fix for CLIE 710 & 760 1.0
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=29877
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> upgrades to the preinstalled ROM's anymore. Handhelds are getting
> too cheap [ ... ]
I don't think $400-$500 is "too cheap". Do you have a HandSpring by any chance? If an OS upgrade option isn't there, I'll dump Palm and move elsewhere.
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FOLKS, IF YOU WANT THE UPGRADE, GO GET IT. THE HARDWARE ON THE 710 IS IDENTICAL TO THE 760 IN EVERY WAY SO UPGRADING THE ROM WILL NOT DAMAGE IT WHATSOEVER.
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Idiot - call me what you will, I expect nothing less. It's always best to call names when people disagree with your opinion.
TC
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Palm OS 4 Upgrade was announced right after M500 and M505 were released.
OS3.5 upgrade wasn't free except for early Vx owners who got OS3.3.
Many Clie 710C owners are similar to early Vx owners, and they feel they deserve a free upgrade. Clie 710C was announced in May 1 and shipped in June. Only 3 months have elasped and Sony came out with 760C. Identical hardware except OS difference.
Dell and Gateway are offering free XP upgrade if you purchase their computers a few month before 10/25 as well.
RE: OS4.1 Upgrade
It is really unfair to N710C owners to pay an extra $80 (??) for the upgrade for this new goods (please note that N710C has only 3 months+ old).
Those people who compares PC & Clie. Please wake up, PC manufacturer will offer free BIOS to upgrade the flash for their PC. Why not the PDA? Although the flash ROM on PDA contains also OS & certain software, the PDA manufaturer can split the OS & applications into different upgrade path. Again, as N710C is really very "young", the upgrade should be free or follow Palm who charges around $30 instead of $80?!?!
RE: OS4.1 Upgrade
Maybe if Sony would wake up and even OFFER the upgrade in a timely fashion things would be different. Fact is, at this point, there is no choice.
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Help me with my facts;
1) Even though there is a chance Sony will have an upgrade avaiable not long after Palm, they are in the wrong for not anouncing it in advance.
2) Since the Clie 300 is older than the 710, it's OK for 300 users to have to pay for an upgrade, but not 710, or should they all get it free.
3) 710 users should complain about the Japanese price of $80 for an upgrade that hasn't been anounced yet, and have no idea of the US price.
I understand your gripes about not having the latest OS, and that's all fine and good, but I still don't understand buying something that doesn't meet your needs, because it might get better. Most places give 30 days for returns or exchanges, if there are so many problems with the 710, why not return it and be done with it? Palm offers good support, then go with one of the meny Palm units, they are all tested and mretty much proven. Then you can complain that the Palm m505 doesn't have MP3, and Hi-Res. I didn't go with the Color Clie units because of reports of dust getting under the screens, which would have bothered me. So I skipped on color because it didn't offer ehat I needed. I went with the 320 becaues it offered more than the m500 (I really hate the m10x and m50x style) for a better price. And Handspring was out because the HS modules are too over priced in my opinion. Guess I should complain that I only have OS 4.0 and not 4.1, which came out only 1 month after my Clie.
TC
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As it goes, I like my 320, I spent a couple weeks deciding what I wanted, and researched it. When the new clie monochrome comes along, most likely with 16 megs ram, I'll come over here and bitch about it.
TC
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JackSprat Modification
Brayder listen it's time to release the bestseller software - new generation of EditROM. Would be nice to make windows desktop version too. Listen users not Sony. It's bussines, it's money...
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-Palm Man
Sony's poor treatment of 710 owners
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I'm confused?
Honestly, this is not ment to be an insulting question. I was just wondering what it's all about.
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TC
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What's your motivation? Are you a 320 or 610 owners who drooled on 710C but couldn't afford one?
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1) Can sync with Windows XP
2) Faster Sync time because of True USB rather than 'fake' one with the USB switcher.
3) Faster screen writes and quicker launch times.
4) 16-bit color
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SONY ! Who cares about your warranty ?
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Run Apps
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Eric Garrido
Windows XP Home Edition
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Stop screamin' Sony - It's good and working :)
I upgraded my 700 to 760 and it's working great. Even JackFlash 2.3b2 works! :P
No Choice
I bought my 710C/G in Singapore on a trip there and because I live in the United Kingdom and not in their target market, I am effectively persona non grata -no warranty. This regionalised marketing crap really pisses me off. I can't even buy an official case for it online from the States because Sony have a 'not for export' clause imposed on all their official resellers. Check out SonyStyle Us or Amazon to see what I mean. What do you think they are going to say when I enquire about an upgrade? First DVDs with thier region coding and now this crap. Wake up guys it one planet and in it people move around. It's a fact.
Anyway, I upgraded mine and it works fine and if you need to send it back for warranty (LOL)related issue, there is a 710 rom backup usually to be found in the same place you would be likely to find the 760 rom to flash it back. Assuming the problem you might have does not prevent you to do this of course.That plus if you do decide to do this, don't be tempted to restore backups from when your machine was a 710. Just export all data manually, delete EVERYTHING related to the Palm Desktop and device including the user.dat in the directory, install a clean copy palm Desktop 4.0.1 and it should work fine. Manually import data, reinstall clean copies of all apps and data.
RE: No Choice
Where in singapore did you pick up your Clie? Im thinking about getting one there as well but now am thinking twice because of what you said.
RE: No Choice
Now, travel around is so easy. Also, more and more people will work around the world (as overseas staff) and immegration. However, those PDA, Notebook manufacturers play their customer stupid. Especially Sony!! Where you purchased the Sony PDA (& notebook) where you get get the official warranty. How come? One of the reason to buy notebook & PDA is because of portable which allow us to carry it easiler to everything. What happen if the equipment is damage while not in our home country???
Be careful. Please consider how often you will use Sony device in other country before you buy it. Otherwise, you will be headach and Sony will not support you.
RE: No Choice
Sony has a very strange attitude when selling their products. For the PDA itself, they sell first in Japan, then, months later, in US. And, Until recently, they completely ignored European Market. Not only Europeans where not allowed to buy a Clie at home, but they where even prohibited to buy one on every other web site. So Europeans had to pay the big price to get one using "parallel" ways. And, for that price, you don't even get a warranty.
Now, Sony made it's "European Release" only... in UK. With no export to... the rest of Europe. Like usual, the rest of Europeans will have to wait an unprecised delay to get, what exactly? No ones know.
There absolutely no reason for Sony to treat customers like this. And the consequence is unjustified additionnal costs for their customers.
Same for accessories. Sony doesn't have a lots of. They are hard to find. Sony makes impossible to plan any extension like GPS, Bluetooth, Wireless, etc... because no one, except them (and they won't tell you), can have any idea of what, when and where it will be released. The same "territorial" absurd restrictions applies. Just look at what's available for Japanese customers. And what for the rest of the world (not even talking about Europe). Why? Are there "good" and "secondary" customers, for Sony?
Ok. Il like the Clie. But no at the point going a "Sony prayer" just to make a complete use of it. I'm also going to be pissed of if things continue like this. Sony, if they want to gain this market, should be advised stop continue considering users like childrens, act and release much much faster, and communicate better.
Because, at this point, I'm asking me that if, in the Palm world, the future choices will be between a Palm Inc "looser" attitude and some interesting, but so slow and so frustrating, innovation leaded by Sony. Then, my third choice could be going to Pocket PC world.
This world is also no perfect. But theres also innovation, handelds are going better every day, so are programs, extensions, and so. Maybe should I give it a try. At least, I would no be waiting for bluetooth, waiting for GPRS, waiting for GPS, waiting for accessories, waiting for cases, waiting for system upgrades, waiting for... everything.
The Katz
RE: No Choice
Upgraded to 760 but won't sync to Mac
Read my Mac-Clié experiences:
http://clie.blogspot.com
RE: Upgraded to 760 but won't sync to Mac
All jokes aside, I feel for you. Mac users are a minority. I have a Mac, but I also have a Palm. So I'll never have the same problems that Sony CLIE owners do.
Maybe we should stop crying about how horrible Sony CLIE support is and stop buying them if everyone can't live with an "as is" product. (Same to all your handspring owners.)
You guys upgrading with the pirateROM are asking for trouble
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the exact same "future-havoc-wreaking gremlins" that Sony put into the 760. This rom is an identical rip of the 760 byte for byte
RE: You guys upgrading with the pirateROM are asking for trouble
Hey, what he(she)'s saying is right!
RE: You guys upgrading with the pirateROM are asking for trouble
You need to get laid.
RE: You guys upgrading with the pirateROM are asking for trouble
yes.. your entire LAN is going down from putting a pirated os on your handheld... d00d you need to really get to know the machines you work with a little better... get over the boogieman syndrome, the machines NOT going to bite you... you sound like my grandma!
I can't believe it was so easy to upgrade my CLIE!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CLIE_Users_Group/message/10556
I can't believe this pseudo-upgrade fried my CLIE!
LOL
sony clie PEG-N770C/U - (UK) INSECTS & DUST UNDER SCREEN
Lets be honest the screen on a PDA is the most important thing. That’s what you interface with, touch yeah! Just run quicksheet on a Clie and you know what I mean - you can see a lot of data on the screen.
But.......
You would expect better from Sony. I took one my Clie back and got it replaced when I noticed a spot of under the screen, now you might think I'm being picky but when you buy this device your going only for the screen and the dust was really noticeable – in your face every time I looked at the thing.
Anyway, so I have my lovely new one, then to my horror I notice some dust on my new one, well I thought it was dust until it MOVED, under a magnify glass it appeared to be a small furry insect!
**** I thought my Clie was so clever it had developed its own Eco system, but needless to say the insect didn’t like my pen strokes and soon passed away, and after a few shakes it disappeared off the screen.
Now have dust appearing in various positions.
Should I take it back? Am I being too picky? Does someone know how to blow the dust out?
Help me.
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OS4.1 Upgrade
Palm has made the annoucement for OS4 upgrade for other handhelds long time ago for November.
I for one think Sony is partially to blame for this event.