Comments on: Palm CEO Carl Yankowski Has Resigned
"With Palm's transition into two individual businesses almost complete, my role has changed, and it no longer matches my aspirations," Mr. Yankowski said. "I leave confident that our separation and solutions strategies, combined with the new leadership at the helm of both businesses, will result in increased shareholder value. It has been an honor to lead Palm."
Mr. Yankowski did not announce his future plans.
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RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
If Sony buys Palm, I will swich devices in a hearbeat!
What in the world could Sony do for Palm except slap a Clie' sticker on all the devices and rip out the SD slot and throw in a mem stick slot.
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
;-)
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
Scott
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
I have a mono S320. I'd like Sony to produce a 160x160 color unit as an upgrade path (that 320x320 mono T415 is a mistake, I think). But I doubt they will.
Of course, all this would be moot if Palm would do what most of us want: go 240x320 with Soft Graffiti.
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
RE: Hey Sony, offer to buy Palm!
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It's about Time!!!
RE: It's about Time!!!
Also Palm are in the retail business - so they will always produce retail focused devices.
But I do concur that it is about time...
RE: It's about Time!!!
revolutionary?
USB - didn't handspring have it for a while before?
universal connector - not very revolutionary, just a different shape then the previous ones
16bit color - visor prism
sd expansion - handera (trg pro) had it, so did handpring and the clie
shape? just an update on the V form factor
so what's the revolution?
Universal Connector
It combines a 230KBps serial port, a device-side USB port, charging pins, device detection pins, and a compact hardware connector along with a standard set of connecting hardware. Its pretty good engineering, and it should serve Palm devices well for the next few years, at least until they decide they need USB 2.0 or Firewire support.
RE: It's about Time!!!
Scott
RE: It's about Time!!!
Better screen, almost as small.
You are the weakest link, goodbye!
May or may not be a good thing
RE: May or may not be a good thing
RE: May or may not be a good thing
Hopefully, its not another shoe salesman...
RE: May or may not be a good thing
RE: May or may not be a good thing
Oh, and Handspring is sure doing well as a company.
That's sarcasm, by the way.
I have to explain this, because you evidently aren't too bright. Handspring. That's a riot.
Yes
RE: Yes
Palm shares jump 23%
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
RE: Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
To the anonymous dork (pot) calling the kettle black:
Get a life. As for sensitivity: It's a business. And the Keebler Elf ran it into the ground. Yankerkowski is gone because he messed with investors, employees, and customers. I'm all for sensitivity if it doesn't affect others but in the case of the ELF, he messed with everyone. And with the bucks he was making $667K I don't have any sympathy. So, take your new age "beliefs" elsewhere.
TANX.
RE: Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
RE: Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
RE: Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
How in the F*%K would Sony buying Palm be a good thing.
The good: Financial backing
The bad: All new palm devices and OS related features having a "Sony in your face" slant. That would be just great for inovation and competitive fairness. It would be M$ all over again.
It would be a freakin nightmare!
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
Well, we all now know what device you own.
The BEST dear boy is all a matter of the features matchin each individual persons needs/wants.
If you were to ask me, I would say my handheld is the BEST. But that doesn't mean it is.
Speaking strictly of technical inovation, Sony is by far not at the cutting edge of the PDA market. They have a color screen that simply blows up the pixels to 320X320 and glued a MP3 player to it with barely any integration of the OS at all!
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
Sony sure as hell would wrech Palm though.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
Innovation (according to Webster): "the introduction of something new"
Then who is? Palm? Well, it's pretty evident by their recent introductions that they have rested on their PAST innovations too much. For example:
- m505: crappy screen and old V/Vx casing (SD slot/card pretty much useless until more products enter the market. memory stick can do NOW what SD promises in the "future"
- m500: old V/Vx casing with SD slot
- m125: why even bother commenting
- i705 is not even out, so can't really comment there because anyone can leak product information 6 months ahead of time and claim that it will have everything under the sun)
Handspring? Besides the 16-bit color support, they really haven't done much. Sure they integrated the Springboard, but they're not the ones producing the modules. It's the third party guys. If anything, HS is assuming all the glory for the innovation of these companies.
Visor Prism: 16-bit color screen that's useless outdoors
Visor Edge: thinnest? V/Vx retains that title.
Treo products: (same as i705), plus Samsung and Kyocera already have products in the market that do the same thing, so there's no innovation there.
"They have a color screen that simply blows up the pixels to 320X320"
Sony is the FIRST to introduce the NEW 320x320 resolution. Their color screen is the best in the Palm OS camp. iPaq's screen has been praised to no end that its color screen is the best, but you know what? It's a Sony screen!
"and glued a MP3 player to it with barely any integration of the OS at all!"
what's the other options? add-ons like HS and Palm's? You're right, there's a real winning combination. While the idea of putting an mp3 player on a palm handheld is nothing new, Sony is the FIRST to integrate it. (keep in mind, i'm talking about Palms. PPCs have their innovations too, but i don't have the time to get into them). Plus, the 710/760 units get a decent battery life (11 hours). To put this into perspective the new iPod goes for 10 hours and costs $400, and all it does is play mp3s.
And how much integration to the OS do you need? You can run other apps while listening to music. Isn't that the purpose of an integrated mp3 player?
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
To whoever complained about the Clie blowing everything up to 320x320, what would you prefer? That it runs in a tiny square in a corner of the screen? And it doesn't just blow it up, it sharpens the text and widgets. And that's just what happens for 160x160 applications.
The N-series definitely beats all else as far as the tech specs go.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
VFS - it tall started in their S300
MS Import (aka AudioPlayer->Transfer) - direct connection from your computer to your expansion memory
4.0 to 4.1 fix - isn't it ironic Sony was the first to use it?
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
If you're talking about visions, then you should also focus on company philosophy, too. For example, HandSpring doesn't invest on hardware (remember that HandSpring originated from a software company?), but HandSpring introduces an idea then HandSpring uses the appropreiate technology to develop it.
In the earlier post, some guy mentions that HandSpring i705. This model can best descripe how HandSpring's philosophy functions. They want a successor of their VisorPhone, and they've learned that customers want a slim, light and easy-to-use visorphone. So what does HandSpring do? They take away their HandSpring module slot(one of their main advantages), make the whole unit smaller, adds a thumb-type keyboard into it.
Do you think Sony will take away a MemoryStick slot because the MemoryStick slot doesn't fit a particular model?
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
Innovation - Introduces a new idea
Innovation in technology - Not only Sony brings a 320x320 screen in Palm (Note: Sony didn't introduces this 320x320 idea.), but also Sony introduces a new form of hardware accelerator that gives its refresh rate four times higher than other PalmOS products.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
I think it is also safe to say that 320X240 with a virtual graffiti is a bit more inovative than pixel doubling a 160X160 res. It is also quite a bit more daring. Here is a company of 48 employees stepping up to the plate and attempting to advance the Palm OS in a meaningful and lasting way. This is truly an admirable move. They also thoughtfully included (always have) an enhanced speaker and a built in microphone for voice recording and .wav playback.
Sony is a great entertainment gadget, but lets face it, it'didn't go out on the limb with any of its features. They just add features they think are "hot" give it a fashionable design and sell as many as possible. if Palm went down the tubes, Sony would be the first to drop them and move on to something they can quickly assemble and market.
One good example is their new T415... hehe, they boast about how it is geared towards the business user. hehe, they slap the enhanced speaker on it but forget a built in microphone for voice recording. Talk about careless! Then they add and "enhanced" IR port (up to 15 feet) to be used a a goofy remote contorl. Yeah right! business users don't need voice memo's, they need remote controls! Nice going Sony.
This is why I have little respect for Sony, they are NOT INOVATORS! They are FOLLOWERS, and half ass ones at that.
RE: Right on!!!! Now let's get a real visionary.
No Rotary club speeches for him!!!
Our Long Technological Nightmare is Over!!!
And maybe this is happening, but I could care less, anymore. I've already lost faith and converted to PPC. I would love to come back, but I doubt that there is enough capital and time left for Palm to be saved (by anyone other than Sony, who will mold it into their own proprietary oppressive dominion).
RE: Our Long Technological Nightmare is Over!!!
And isn't Palm like Apple was? Wow! I amaze myself sometimes! ;-P
RE: Our Long Technological Nightmare is Over!!!
http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/1984.html
Hello, My good friend SONY!!!
One can't use the old Palm Vx cases
One can't use Palm Vx snap ons (Like GPS module, or other peripherals....because they change the bottom syncer, apparently for no good reason...
They haven't done squat with their SD Cards yet...
Y'know, I am going to wait and see for a couple of more months to see what they do with new products, but I am probably going to upgrade to either Handspring Prism or the Sony Color Clie'
Palm couldn't even give us a half decent color screen.. Sony can! I've seen it.....Very fair size compromise, very fair price, and great COLOR screen..
Oh, by the way, I STILL wouldn't buy PPC!!!! It is totally incompatable with the software I need to use for my business...
RE: Hello, My good friend SONY!!!
Of course, Kodak went to the other extreme: Leave the card AND the USB alone, then adapt their old technology to the universal connector, but use only the serial lines. I took mine back to the store for that, and the image quality problem.
RE: Hello, My good friend SONY!!!
>or other peripherals....because they change the
>bottom syncer, apparently for no good reason...
No good reason? D'oh, what brainiacs we have in here today.
How about native USB? Improved functions for standardization across the whole product line.
You are chastising them for not doind something (standardizing) that they are in fact doing and that's why you are mad.
People sure are sad.
RE: Hello, My good friend SONY!!!
Kodak couldn't do a PalmPix to the m500 series using the USB signal lines because USB simply can't handle it at all.
RE: Hello, My good friend SONY!!!
All these manufacturers have all these goodies just waiting there and they can`t do squat with them cause if they would produce them and the final guidelines would be totaly different then they would have a useless product.
Palm 2001 = Apple 1997?
It could happen... Handspring's running out of cash and Jeff & Donna only left because they didn't want to be a part of 3Com...
RE: Palm 2001 = Apple 1997?
RE: Palm 2001 = Apple 1997?
There bancrupt, the bad management has filled the own pockets and stolen investors money, lied to developers and customers as well and given bad service in all directions - and leave only rubble in back onn side and in front.
It wopul have been a chane after the newton - but the king is dead.
Lets face it - the name Yankonowhere is history as well as palm is - it leaves bitterness on all levels.
Its time to kiss the pda aera goodby for good.
Probably Steve Jobs is right - the PDA is no business - get a mp3 player and lets swing...
RE: Palm 2001 = Apple 1997?
There are differences, but Apple wasn't doing so well back then either.
Palm and Handspring haven't been able to design new products at the rate they did before the Handspring split so perhaps their current problems are partly due to dilution of the engineering talent? If so, a merge wouldn't be a bad thing.
FINALLY
RE: FINALLY
Bill will say thank to him.
JW
RE: FINALLY
RE: FINALLY
Scott
RE: FINALLY
After the IPO, Palm's market capitalization was higher than 3COM, but 3COM was the largest shareholder.
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That situation was entirely logical, because of way the spin-off happened. When the mighty network hardware giant 3Com bought US Robotics, the Palm Computing division was little more than an afterthought in the merger. However, by the time of the spin-off, market commoditization had killed both 3Com's core NIC business and USR's modem business, but the PDA market had exploded, making the source of the majority of 3Com's revenues and assets in Palm. So, when the much-awaited spin-off happened, Palm took the lion's share of not only the assets, but also the stock price. Sure, after that, Palm's stock went through the roof (irrational exuberance). But, if 3Com hadn't spun-off Palm, 3Com's worsening situation would have continued to bring down Palm, and the COMS stockholders wouldn't have been happy. As it was, the tanking economy brought both stocks down, but not after a lot of stockholders sold both PALM and COMS at their height, and ended up making a lot of money.
Carl wasn't responsible for the stock price of PALM tanking, not exactly anyway. Carl WAS responsibile for having no good new products (the m505 was overhyped, the m125 useless, the i705 still nonexistent), for flubbing the introduction of the new products they did have, and (Palm's real on-going problem) for not having an operating system robust enough to support the applications its current and prospective user base needs. While I understand things like a new OS take time, ARM-based Palm OS should have shipped in July 2001, which means it should have been a #1 prioity for the company 6 months to a year before it was announced. Instead, under CEO Carl's direction, the company appears to have been focused on Michael Jordan Palms, slick marketing campaigns for product line-ups with obsolete PDAs, and schlepping R&D from licensees rather than generating any useful R&D of their own. So, when the economy did Tank Bigtime, everyone realized Palm had no direction, which caused it's stock price to sink even further than it would have otherwise.
Congrats, Carl: through your almost complete lack of vision, you ran a very profitable company almost in the ground and have (probably) turned it into yet another source of dog chow for the mighty three-headed Microsoft. Red Hat Software, a company that has never turned a profit, but does have a clear vision, closed today at more than twice PALM's price today. Yeah, Carl, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
WOW thank you HE IS GONE
Ill be the first to say the market for what palm sells has had an amazing turn around from very great to ****y. So I dont think everything was entirely mr Carls fault. But this guy is an idiot. He helped sell shoes for rebock for god sakes. And he never did a damn thing at that company.
Palm has consitantly stayed a step behind everyone else in the industry and I hope they get some one in there who wants to expand the product vastly.
Carls thing was basically lets take the same product that we have been selling since we sold our first Pilot with a crapy screen and give them 8 MB instead of 2.
Ill admit I like the SD slot I think it has potential. But the leadership was never there for Palm. If it was this company would have turned around a long time ago. And the stock price wouldnt be at 2 bucks.
Yankowski was happy to see himself running this into the ground. I really hope Hawkins and others had something to do with this man getting his ass out of there. Because if I am Hawkins I would be thinking to myself this was my company and he is screwing it up.
Anyway terrible leadership, no inovation, and a M100 line.
Mr Yankowski how the hell did you EVER get to be a CEO?
Thank God your gone now and we can put this whole ****y chapter behind us.
Hawkins
-Ryan
RE: Hawkins
RE: Hawkins
M10x is junk!! M50x Is satan! Ripoff city
RE: Hawkins
Palms are still popular and still selling. But "power" Palm users are still frustrated. We want Soft Graffiti -- and 240x320. I hope this is in the works.
And as for pricing... they must come down. Hasn't anyone noticed the gap in Palm's line? There's room for a *slotless* m505 in it. (Don't laugh -- the slotless Vs are still selling!)
Cheap mono units are fine to broaden the market -- but color prices should come down some too.
RE: Thank you Jesus!
Sorry No - about one year to late - now the christmastree is rotten for good...
Good one!!!
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
Sending Palm my resume...
I think most people reading this board agree that Palm needs to get its act together re: new processors and OS 5. That colour is important, and while many get on just fine with b&w, colour will win as it did in television and in PC's. Resolution is a key area and 160X160 really doesn't cut it. On top of that wireless connectivty, which we were promised (by the end of last year I believe) is also important, be it Bluetooth, telephony or some kind of wireless access we access.
I know all these things take time and money to develop, and Palm doesn't have a huge pile of either any more, but if the company is to survive it needs to make a concerted effort in that direction.
Admittedly Palm has addressed a few issues, in particular, USB connectivity, expansion through SD, and they have produced a colour device with a slim form factor. Most of the improvements in OS4 seem to have been innovated by others, Handera, Handspring et al. And SD hasn't been the universal success that was promised. Even Handspring's much maligned springboard introduction had more modules out on the market than SD has some 6 months after launch.
The time has come for someone with real vision, drive and passion to take over and move the company in the direction that we, its customers, want.
Heck, maybe I should send them an application?
Regards,
Nick Trevethan
Devon
UK
RE: Sending Palm my resume...
The real market is, was, and forevermore shall be, low cost PDAs. Is there a market for expensive multimedia hi-res with everything-but-the-kitchen-sink thrown in? Yes, but it's a significantly smaller market. Does that mean that Palm should ignore this market? Of course not, it makes good business sense to offer products to this market as well. Still, their biggest market is in low-cost devices. If they forge ahead thinking that "what they really want" is the latest high-tech gadget to compete with the PPC OS and the low-cost market suffers as a result, that's when they'll really lose.
Their stock plummeted because they jumped on the IPO bandwagon a couple of years ago and found themselves with a grossly overinflated stock value which later came down to reality. Every company (and investor) that played this game looking for lots of free money ended up losing.
They also made a mistake in overestimating the growth of their high-end devices for 2001, without accurately estimating how much their licensees would cut into this and without giving enough credit to the new (at the time) PPC OS. One of the things about Palm devices which is great for end users and not so great for Palm the company is that they can be low-cost yet last for a few years. So, to sell new devices you have to sell to new buyers (most of which want something inexpensive) and previous owners (who want something more advanced or, atleast, with more memory). The m505 had difficulty selling at the levels they had hoped because it was introduced into a market with some serious competition.
Palm stuck with the concept of keeping things small, light, easy to use, and with great battery life. We've all benefited from this. They relucantly released colorful gizmos at the cost of several of these factors because a small market of people said that they wanted them, despite the size/battery life. Now, I fear, the investors are convinced that the stock plummeted because of Carl and his vision (or perhaps the former Hawkins' vision). Most of the so-called technology "journalists" have declared that the PPC is the future and will overtake the Palm OS within a couple of years, and everyone seems to believe it. Well, not so fast. The recent sales reports have shown Compaq's sales fall significantly.
If Palm jumps head-first into OS5 and sacrifices backwards compatibility and the necessary tweaks, improvements, and cost-cutting to the "simpler" Palm devices, that's when they'll go bankrupt. Should they work on OS5? By all means. I want high-res color and all the gizmos, too. And I want it in a device with the usability level of the current Palms. But don't put all of your eggs into this basket, because it's a small basket.
Scott
RE: Sending Palm my resume...
So have no fear. Palm is aware that one of its greatest strengths is the large number of third-party apps available and that it would be suicide to give them up.
This is only speculation, but I believe that application compatibility between Dragonball-based handhelds and ARM-based ones is going to be the cornerstone of Palm's hardware strategy for a while. Palm is aware that an ARM-based handheld isn't going to be as cheap as Dragonball-based ones are now. Therefore, only high-end Palm handhelds will be ARM-based. The low-end will continue to run Dragonball processors and cost around $100. With both groups able to run the same apps, there shouldn't be a problem with this strategy.
Of course, there will be high-end apps that will only be able to run on high-end devices. This will include esoterica like video players and graphics-intensive games. But there is no reason why a word processor can't be written that will work across the entire line of handhelds, like they do now.
Again, this is what I think will happen because it makes sense to me. I can only hope it makes sense to Palm's management, too.
---
News Editor
RE: Sending Palm my resume...
Well written commentary. Its nice to hear a shade of grey in here every once in a while instead of black and white rhetoric.
Scott is dead-on. Most of the semi-tekkies I know have m series, III series, or at most, V series Palms. They look at my 330 like its a mutant, and they've never even heard of it.
"Who makes that?"
"Handera."
"Oh, it's got a slot. That's a Handspring."
"No, Handera."
"Right, by Handspring."
"No, its a totally different company..."
"Hey, Jim. Check this out. Brian's got a Handspring..."
"Sigh..."
We, the gadgeteers and gizmo lovers, are still the minority. Even in the world of Palm.
...In accordance with the prophecy...
Quik_Fix
quikfix@hotmail.com
Apple should buy Palm
Why not just wait a few months?
Watch most of Palm's first-time users now start upgrading to Sonys. All Palm will have left is the bargain basement $50 - $99 m100 class to fight over. How sad.
Love the color on that m505! - (Ir)relevant
No chex, no sex
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Sniff, Sniff, saying goodbye.
M505 battery extension
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