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IDC questioned more than 1,100 IT managers from all sizes of businesses and found that Palm handhelds outstrip all others overwhelmingly, with 60% of the companies currently purchasing Palm branded handhelds. Handspring was in a tie for number two with less than 30%. The Palm OS platform is likewise supported by more than 60% of the companies -- which is nearly double that of any other operating system.
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RE: So true...
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Paul C.
RE: So true...
D. Jacobs
C.A.M.C
RE: So true...
The six docs I know that had TRGpros and 330s over the past 2 years have all switched to color Clies (4) and m505s (2).
Small sample size, yes, but I don't think this bodes well for Handera.
RE: So true...
They need to shrink their handhelds and get a color screen if they want to keep the physician market. I think they realize this now, but after seeing how long it took for them to put out the 330, I can't see them putting out a competitive new handheld anytime soon.
RE: Re:Serious Sam
RE: Re:Serious Sam
-G
RE: Re:Serious Sam
RE: moderation
-Ryan
Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
Remember, Microsoft has the resources to buy their way into *any* market they initially lack the hardware/software to dominate. (Look what they tried to do to Quicken a few years ago when they wanted a good financial magement program. Intuit resisted a buyout, so now we have Microsoft Money.)
Palm needs to concentrate more on improving themselves and less on what Big Bad Bill and His Minions are doing.
- Armchair Pundit
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
By the way, in case no-one's realized, Handspring has seen the writing on the wall and now is in the process of reinventing itself as a PDA/phone company. A brave move, given the potential for Nokia, Sony, Microsoft etc. to quickly enter the market with Treo-killing phones, but Handspring probably didn't have any other realistic options. If the monochrome Treo is a reasonable device, I'll be getting one partly as my way of trying to support the Palm inventors in their struggle for survival.
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
Give Palm credit for this: since the "resignation" (firing) of Yankowski, they seem to be positioning themselves very actively. No product announcements yet, but a lot of "damage control," which was necessary.
Palm's not as bad-off as people thought they were. The m505's not a bad unit; it's just not as good as it should have been. Consider this: I'm a Cowboys fan, and I have no hope for a few seasons, because they currently stink. If I were a Broncos fan, I might be disappointed that they haven't been as dominant as people thought, but there is still plenty of potential. Palm is kind of like the Broncos--definitely not like the Cowboys, in spite of what the Sony-lovers and Micro$oft lackeys would have you believe here. Once they get things rolling again, they will produce, and it'll no longer be on a "slow development curve."
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
What would be said if the m505 battery lasted just a few hours? Or if you sync a .doc or .xls and the format gets distorted on the PC?, or if the size was bigger?
One more thing: the pre-announcement of the m505, what about the pre-anouncement of PPC 2002???
All this c**p about the "beauty" of PPC and the "flaws" of Palm are another big hit from Redmond marketing department...
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
What was you point? If you are refering to slumping sales of units because of pre-announced models. Well for the case of the m505 and PPC2002 the base number of people who were planning to by a new PDA but decided to hold out because of the pre-announcement is vastly different. Your comparison is hardly on the same level. Microsoft only wished the anticipation for the PPC2002 was as much as the m505. I'd say for every person anticipating PPC2002 there were at least 15-20 people waiting for the m500's.
There is a slight flaw in your comparison of the pre-announced m505 and PPC2002. You did know that the m505 is a model while the PPC2002 refers to the OS right?
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
I will try to make it clearly for you. The bashing against Palm, Handspring, Sony, PalmOS, etc., from users is just another move from "Mighty Bill".
They start posting reviews or CNet, etc., stating how good PPC models are and how "bad" PalmOS models are. Then they write some kind of sales ranking where PPC go first, second, third, Palm Vx in fourth, PPC, PPC, m505 and Visor Deluxe on the last spot.
Then they post some analyst comments whether Palm made this or that mistake and where all major corporations embraced iPaqs... (Do you really know what handhelds are used in corporations by majority?, Do you have contact with IT managers?) I do.
I wonīt go on with this, Iīm getting tired. You like iPaq OK for you. You like m505 itīs fine, you own a CLIE: enjoy it, you have a Jornada, make the best uses of it.
But please stop complaining about USB issues of the m505, just check eBay or UBid and youīll see lots of rufurbished iPaqs and Jornadas...Stop throwing s**t to PalmOS handhelds and do something creative.
Letīs use this excellent forum to discuss and exchange information about new products...
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
RE: Unfortunately, Palm still needs to get their act together...
PocketPC a flop?
Maybe Microsoft will have better luck with Xbox.
RE: PocketPC a flop?
RE: PocketPC a flop?
RE: PocketPC a flop?
yeah right.
RE: PocketPC a flop?
Their strategic partners including hardware vendors, system integrators and the like are not just testing the waters for fun. Each iteration has a purposeful entrenchment into the market, however small and minute.
PPCs and the OS that runs inside them are just another form factor along with the stinger and tablet pc. .Net will be the glue.
That said, I'm please by the strides Palm has taken to turnaround; ramping up to ARM, organization separation of the platform, and developing a better awareness of the developers and users out there.
I'm really looking forward to the Treo and other 2nd generation wireless devices.
RE: PocketPC a flop?
RE: PocketPC a flop?
RE: PocketPC a flop?
RE: PocketPC a flop?
Pawm = Yawn
Lets go to sleep.
Wake us all up when Palm actually has something worth reporting.
(like if there stock will ever break the $4.00 mark.. or Their PDAs actually can do something new that their original Palm Pilot couldn't do, LOL, oh God, please...)
RE: Pawm = Yawn
Perhaps they are a bit "boring", but they do the job, don't cost all that much and work like a dream. There arn't too many products where you can run the same SW on a model that is more than 2 years old, as you get to run on the latest one available. Lets see where the PPC is in about 3 years.
RE: Pawm = Yawn
RE: Palm = Yawn
By the way... What are you doing here on this site if you don't have an interest in the product? It does not seem like a very productive use of your or our time.
Maybe you are confusing the Palm OS's simplicity and ease of use through the years as lack of innovation. I find it quite nice that I don't have to double my CPU speed & RAM every year just to run the latest program.
Doug
RE: Pawm = Yawn
He canīt go to a PPC forum to discuss about software...
Indeed!
RE: Pawm = Yawn
What is being mistaken as a lack of innovation is just a conservitive philosophy designed not to screw up a good thing.
That said, they need to add a 'wow' feature now and then to get the upgrade crowd buying and move more heavily into the peripheral market. They also need to lower the entry point of a basic Palm down to a level that would encourage mass adoption, people here often forget that the vast majority of people in the civilized world do not own a electronic handheld of any sort.
RE: Pawm = Yawn
RE: Pawm = Yawn
m525 in March 2002?
RE: Pawm = Yawn
RE: Pawm = Yawn
What can we expect with the m525?
16MB RAM? Better Screen? OS 4.1? Anything else?
RE: Pawm = Yawn
Improved color screen
Improved color Date Book, Address, Mail and a few other applications now being finalized
USB
Universal connector
Metal case, 4 colors (black, blue, gray, red)
4 oz
SD expansion slot
RE: Pawm = Yawn
Lawyers Too.
RE: Lawyers Too.
Sony looks /great/
Seriously - Every model they come out with has more chrome, or even more of that nasty purple. They've apparently found their target market, and it completely lacks any sort of taste. or restraint. But then again, their big claims to fame are playing MP3's and having a high-res screen with way-too-thin fonts.They obviuously don't care about the business market.
The Sony models are nice.
They've got some really innovative ideas. The feed-through of the Memory Stick to the cradle was a bright idea, particularly.
But their asthetics are strictly consumer.
There's a reason that Palm went with flat, matte grey for their first 6-or-so models, and it's NOT because they coulden't find somebody willing to mold them a purple case.
huh !? which new Clie model is purple ??
And Clie's not all about Purple cases, there's like 1 or 2 models of Clie with purple case only. And which palm/Handspring Palm OS device looks better than Clie ??
Sony is more into the multimedia market, that's probably why you think they are not in the business market, but I don't see having thin font = don't care about the business market though LOL.
RE: Lawyers Too.
http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/models/320.html
http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/models/760.html
http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/models/610.html
Judge for yourselves how much "their asthetics are strictly consumer" If you haven't yet seen the T415 in black, take a look. It is the most "professional" looking handheld I've seen since IBM's black version of the Vx. Sony is covering all the bases from the designer (purple VAIO color) types to the budget-minded but stylish (S320). The black version of the T615 is probably going to decimate Palm's sales in January. (Ultra-thin, light, metal case; high resolution color screen; 16 MB RAM; MP3-expandable; Memory Stick; long lasting Li ion battery; priced not much higher than Palm's poor m505.)
RE: Lawyers Too.
I also cannot afford to buy the newest and best products everytime something new comes out, i am just too poor to afford the products.
plus the best color palm screen is still on the Visor.
the best color palm with a small form factor is still the m505.
although the T615 will be great when it is here.... the simple fact is i cannot get one, so it doesn't matter.
and i use the reasoning for the Treo's also... until i can get it, it sucks!
:)
RE: Lawyers Too.
no, best color is certainly Clie N6xx or N7xx series.
"the best color palm with a small form factor is still the m505."
though Clie T3xx's screen is not good, but m505 is even worse.
RE: Lawyers Too.
Second, have you really seen the T415. No backlight on Grafatti area = no improvements; backlight is way too weak. Fonts are not readable at some angle under normal light condition = they blurred. If I am going to view pictures on the handheld, it will not be a big difference. However, it you are reading something very text-oriented, such as an e-book, a word-doc, that will be very tired.
Finally, let me tell you one thing. The m505 was first made more than 6 months ago before the launch of any possible color T series, so why it is not so unexpected to see T have some better features than the m505, especially both of them are high-end models?
By the way, have any of you seen the T615 in front of you yet? Is its backlight as weak as the T415?
P.S. The thickness between the m505 and the new T600 is only 0.01 inch, but the T600 is much taller.
RE: Lawyers Too.
Scott
Pocket PC rules
RE: Pocket PC rules
A recent survey of Microsoft employees by F.U.D. Associates found 92% of them used Palms, 5% used PocketPCs (many provided by Microsoft itself) and 3% used a veriety of other devices, primarily Blackberry RIMs.
;-)
RE: Pocket PC rules
RE: Pocket PC rules
power plant or you will be out of juice.
RE: Pocket PC rules
Oh, so that would be you and the night janitor? Fair enough.
"Word and Excel compatability that is much better than the addons for Palms,"
Too bad it doesn't come close to the compatability offered by Wordsmith. Try again troll.
" larger color screen and most importantly wireless ethernet is why. Wireless ethernet is a joke on Palms."
Yes, but at least the Palm has enough battery power left to perform those functions. You'll need a gas powered generator for your PocketPC.
RE: Pocket PC rules
RE: Pocket PC drools
OK, I admit it's larger than the Palm's, but in that form factor, how much difference does 3/4" really make?
Pocket PC is overrated. Period. It does a lot of things, sure, but it gulps power and is too bulky to use on a day-to-day basis. I do tech support for a high school, and I purchased an HP Jornada 548 under the guise that it would be more useful. I ended up having to carry my charger with me every day to charge it up at lunch! Yeah, that's useability...
I'm back with my Palm now, and all is right with the world...
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RE: Despite Reaffirmed Guidance, Palm Faces Tough Season
If later, are you the analyst?
Do any of us believe Handspring's models are actually lighter and thinner?
Do any of us believe Pocket PCs outsell Palm OS in the enterprise?
RE: Despite Reaffirmed Guidance, Palm Faces Tough Season
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So true...
Just stating the fact...
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