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RE: BIG bummer
Keep up the good work Aaron - hope to see more stuff in the future. I'm sure if you come up with something original it will be a hit, since you have both the name and also quality.
P.S. Downloaded Lemmings the other day and it is GREAT!
RE: BIG bummer
He hasn't even taken down the files - they can be downloaded from dozens of links on the Net. He continues to ignore the wanings he has received.
http://www.hig.se/~ardiri/download/palm/dkjr.zip
http://www.hig.se/~ardiri/download/palm/dkung.zip
http://www.hig.se/~ardiri/download/palm/maryobros.zip
RE: BIG bummer
RE: BIG bummer
RE: BIG bummer
only Mike and myself know exactly how much work we put into it seperately, but, i can tell you this. Mike put over one year of effort into it (writing the core emulator), and, i put around three to four months into it (providing the user interface/interaction). in my books, that tells me Mike did more :) i didn't write the emulator - i just provided the shell for the users, and some cool features such as color tweaking and custom controls. so, you are wrong again...
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
A little defensive aren't you, Ardiri
> calling.
RE: BIG bummer
Posted by: ardiri @ 12/5/2001 3:42:29 AM
only Mike and myself know exactly how much work we put into it seperately, but, i can tell you this. Mike put over one year of effort into it (writing the core emulator), and, i put around three to four months into it (providing the user interface/interaction). in my books, that tells me Mike did more :) i didn't write the emulator - i just provided the shell for the users, and some cool features such as color tweaking and custom controls. so, you are wrong again...
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
_______________________________________________________
The original response stated simply that you did MUCH OF THE WORK ON LIBERTY. Not all. Not that you coded the emulator component of this (fairly useless) emulator program. I'd suggest you count to ten before you send off yet another message to this thread, confirming what an arrogant, self-serving person you are. I realize you are young and have a lot to learn about deportment and maturity, but if you continue commenting in public forums like this in such an offensive tone, you will only damage yourself and others around you like Mike and poor Rayne.
THINK before you speak, Ardiri.
I hope Nintendo comes down hard on you for ripping off their games all these years. It's time you paid for what you've been doing.
RE: BIG bummer
I just read the thread again and have to say I am confused. I didn't see Aaron's response negatively or immature. People were having a discussion where he was the subject and he added his thoughts to help clear things. I think that is his right to do so.
However after reading your response to him... I view it as the lesser. I also have to wonder what your point was and if your only purpose was to find a bridge and wait under it. Oh well.
I am sad to see the games go and I wish him luck in the future.
RE: BIG bummer
With all do respect to him as a Palm Developer, my negative opinion of him is derived from these things I have seen on forums and in his Palm Software releases.
1. He releases the Liberty Warez Trojan. I think I followed this drama as it unfolded and have most of the facts straight. He released it (or allowed it to get out), it was malicious. These are facts. *LAME*
2. He rips off other companies IP and makes cash off of it, then turns around and rails against "warez" and the pirating of his IP. *Hypocrite*
3. Again, he rips off other companies IP, makes cash off of it, complains about crackers and pirating, then turns around and releases (or again, lets slip), a piece of software that has at least some function for the warez crowd (HackMe). **Hypocrite*
4. His software licensing procedures are ridiculous. As are his explanations for why he does them this way. I licensed Lemmings, (hmmm, do you own the IP to be making money off of this piece of software?). Good game BTW, and again I congratulate him on releasing a fun game, but the hoops I had to jump through to install it were IMHO just plain stupid, and overkill for a $10 game. Try licensing it, maybe it is just me, but I believe in making things easy for the consumer. When I posted a comment I got a spin-control response telling me it was to make it easier for me, and that I should like it better this way. Yeah Right. *Lame and without regard for the consumer, as well as idiotic, don't tell me what is best for me*
5. Lastly if you follow the forums on some of the Palm sites as I do, you will see posts from him sometimes. While sometimes he appears to be cordial and polite, other times he comes out as mean, immature, selfish and unable to fathom that his way of thinking could possibly be seen as wrong. Again, this is just my opinion. *Sometimes Lame and unprofessional*
RE: BIG bummer
The immaturity comes from the ones who hide under the "I. M. An-ass-ymous" name and attack others. These people have the intellect of a fungus.
The real Aaron Ardiri...
Ardiri's weak, hippocritical defense of why he released HaCkMe and his lies about the Liberty crack release show more about his lack of morals than anything I - or anyone else here - could say. The facts speak for themselves.
Nintendo does still sell these games
RE: Nintendo does still sell these games
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
You just don't know when to quit, do you, Ardiri?
so I guess you'll be carrying your palm and GB everywhere?
if theyre not licensing to the palm...
dont let the games die...
i have the idea to sell a belt to carry my palm and game boy =P
RE: Nintendo does still sell these games
Secondly- Most of these older games came from their arcade division, for the most part- the old arcade games are either warehoused somewhere or in some junk pile becuase there is no one that can fix them once they die.
Nintendo takes this stuff seriously
The reason for this, of course, is that Nintendo knows it is their character's that make them money, not the hardware. This is also why you don't see Mario, Donkey Kong, and Metroid on any other consoles anymore. These days it's much more important to differentiate yourself from the pack with software, rather than console hardware, a lesson Sega learned the hard way.
Serves him right
RE: Serves him right
RE: Serves him right
Relax a bit ...
Dont take it so personal...
I think you are right when you say:
"the games are a clear copyright violation. They are exactly the same as the Nintendo versions "
But , There are better ways of getting your point accross...
Im sure there will be some repercussions for this ...
Yoda...=o)
RE: Serves him right
People would take you more seriously if you didn't talk like you were in middle school.
It's very unlikely that Nintendo will take any further action. They sent Mr. Ardiri a cease and desist order. He has now ceased and desisted. To Nintendo's mind, this issue is probably over. The money involved is almost certainly inconsequential to Nintendo's perspective. They are just doing what they believe the law requires and protecting their copyrighted material.
I'm sorry to see these games go. I wish instead they had offered him a licence to the products and let him continue to sell them and pay a royalty, which would benefit them both and all the Palm users who would like to play these games.
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News Editor
the issue is over.
i just received an email from Nintendo saying:
"Thank you for your prompt response and your cooperation in resolving this matter swiftly."
unfortunately, the real issue here is that if you want to create a clone - dont be 100% perfect with it! :) personally, i understand companies like Nintendo getting upset if our games made them look bad. the fact that they are perfect replicas should not cause them to get all upset, in many cases, companies license our applications when they find the "perfect" implementation. that is how the official LodeRunner game came to the Palm, introduced by PocketExpress around a year ago.
Nintendo was just made aware you're still offering the games
RE: Serves him right
The games are STILL available for download from ardiri.com
RE: Serves him right
check the links again bozo - our files are stored on seperate servers, NOT on ardiri.com. the files have been removed from our mirrors. have you ever thought that it does take a while to remove stuff from the Internet (heck, its not always possible). i am sure that if you type the PGHQ download link, you'll find it too - ever heard of caching?
we took the relevant steps to remove the application from our website and from sale - now everyone except idiots like you are happy. did your mother drop you as a kid or something? or did your dad to unspeakable things to you? seek councelling. i am sure most people here have better things to do than listen to a stupid idiot complain about things like this. get a life.. big time.
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
Your true character is showing again, Mr. Ardiri
You truly deserve to get sued for the incredible arrogance and contempt you continue to display toward owners of copyrighted software. Essentially every program you have ever released (Liberty, HaCkMe, Donkie Kung, Donkie Kung Jr, Maryo Bros, etc.) either promotes stealing software or is in fact stolen from a genuine developer. This is a sad legacy for someone who should have been able to do better.
RE: Serves him right
RE: Serves him right
its really sad to watch people argue about something theyre not even sure what it means...
leave Mr ardiri alone...
and dont buy Nintendo products... they mess you up...
If youre getting paid for this(by nintendo that is)
then dont mind me... hehe.
Why does this remind me of "Nintendo sues the world"
back to the old happy days of emulation? =P
It doesn't take Einstein.....
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Coming soon from Nintendo:
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now thats sarcasm!
=P
get a life man =P
Ardiri rules!
I agree with NINTENDO
Very lucky that NINTENDO didn't demand profits made off the games plus damages.
The morale of the story is: if you want to make a clone of a game seek a legitimate license. Otherwise spend your time making original games.
We're seeing way too many BREAKOUT and TETRIS clones. It's clear that the programmers can write code to create these clones but where is the originality? Sadly lacking.
RE: I agree with NINTENDO
the tetris company has argued that it has a patent on the look and feel of the game - clones themselves are 100% legal.
http://pineight.8m.com/tetris.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2430/tetris.html
there are some arguments specific to the Tetris game, an interesting read if i say so myself.
RE: I agree with NINTENDO
As to them NOT putting out the games, the Mario Brothers game just came out for the Gameboy Advance as a secondary game to the rehashed SNES Mario2 game. So technically they have a CURRENT copyright and are CURRENTLY making money off of the product.
Cloning games has been a problem since the seventies - I remember playing asteroids and galaxian clones on the TRS-80. Clones always make money ... for a while. Then the market dries up. The first five or so are BIG news. After that... Either the legitimate title hits the platform, or the platform itself looses users as they move to the next big thing.
Granted they probably WON'T make games for the Palms or PPCs. And I doubt that many would-be Palm players will go run out and get a GBA just to play their missing games. But if Nintendo doesn't stamp out clones, they MAY loose the rights to the characters themselves - the same way corps have to protect brand names. (You don't xerox items, you copy them on a Xerox(TM)).
I'd rather see some original games that go FROM the Palm platform OUTWARD to the PPCs, PCs, and consoles. A good puzzle game COULD do that!
ARDIRI = RIP-OFF
I think ID software is going to have a cow over the Ardiri Deity3D game. Why does it look like DOOM? The gun, the marine look the same. Heck the walls and everything else do as well.
My recommendation to Ardiri: You guys have great talent as good coders, but it's time to get a real game designer.
RE: ARDIRI = RIP-OFF
clones are 100% legal. however, it is out understanding (and, Nintendo's brute force approach) that using characters is not legal. Nintendo made a lot of game and watch games in the past, however, their main point of focus here was the games specifically using their copyrighted characters Donkey Kong and Mario, the italian. you will find that our other game and watch games are not violating on Nintendo's intellectual property - and, they still are available for the Palm.
with Deity 3D, for the prototype we used some ID graphics - but, you'll find that there is not a demo available for you to try.. all you see are screen shots - for all you know, it could be vapourware.
as for being DOOM - well, thats a matter of interpretation. the engine has nothing to do with doom (different 3D engine design for example) - it just looks that way. for your information, we are actually discussing using our engine to bring the official DOOM to the Palm Computing Platform with the people who *own* the rights to DOOM on handheld devices.
these types of negotiations dont take place - if you dont have anything to show. we have a demo to show, and we are in discussions with them right now. ID does not have the distribution rights for DOOM on mobile devices, they licensed this off.
however, this brings up an interesting point. if you think you are a great graphic artist - contact us! we are looking for graphically artistic people to help out with greating new graphics and great games. you can contact me directly. one of your first tasks will be developing graphics for a 3D engine (ie: deity).
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
ARDIRI as Palm Consultant?
RE: ARDIRI = RIP-OFF
How about Squiddy Kong and Feebles, the effeminate Englishman as substitute characters?
:)
RE: ARDIRI = RIP-OFF
RE: ARDIRI = RIP-OFF
a great lost
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RE: a great lost
Palm games are usually inexpensive for what you get (hours and hours of entertainment), in a portable format.
From what I've seen, the original titles on the Palm platform usually don't sell well. People like familar titles.
Is PacMan Next?
Sure glad that I registered Mayro Bros already (and Galax and Froggy and PacMan, etc.).
Seems to me that Nintendo could make some real easy money taking Adiri's port and releasing it as a commercial version.
RE: Is PacMan Next?
well, if Nintendo was interested in licensing, we could bring a whole suit of Game and Watch games to the Palm (and, PPC, EPOC, etc) and Nintendo could slap them in retail channels and make a killing off them. the problem here is that any PDA comes as a direct competitor to the GameBoy environment :) i dont see this happening for a while, but, if someone from Nintendo reads this - contact us if your interested :)
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
RE: Is PacMan Next?
RE: Is PacMan Next?
the demo is available, free of charge - and, we are still pursuing the license (with help from a special company) - more on the status of Lemmings on the Palm will be disclosed as it is available.
there are over 120 levels in the original.. should be fun to create those levels :) if it was to be released officially, expect it on an SD card or similar.
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
Lemmings SD card
all silly u are
But i think he is one of the best palm game programmer !!!!
And it's ok to play old games on palm !
RE: all silly u are
But if you are ALL English, And have went to school for years, Im Sorry for making a fool of yourself:(
game boy emulator
A tweak here...
I do think its pretty stupid (Don't flame me for this) to release a product that uses characters that are an intelectual property of someone else. Also you can't say that they were written in a totally clear enviroment because original code blah blah or not, it was still made to show Nintendo characters. If I write a startrek game without licensing the property, paramount would chew my ass off. Same goes for writing a new book of the lord of the rings saga. Now if I wrote something that was inspired and doesn't use any protected intellectual entities, thats fine, Microsoft has been doing it since its birth.
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RE: A tweak here...
well, i know i probably wont get a response from Nintendo Legal on this :) but, i asked this question. actually, we could roll out a suit of game and watch games with BETTER graphics than the original(s) and call them other names - but, the gameplay could be similar (can you patent a left-right-jump-switch game?). this might just be an idea we'll look into - and, do it across the board for our games.
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
RE: A tweak here...
Too easy NINTENDO
If NINTENDO insists on making consumers buy their hardware to play NINTENDO titles, they might see a possibility of being isolated from the game world just like SEGA.
Hey, NINTENDO, you must be open.
If you claim the violation, you must make NINTENDO games for PalmOS.
Geesh, they aren't rip-offs they filled gap!!!
I don't believe these games are a violation of "N''s copyrights because they weren't competing with Nintendo. I think they should fight nintendo on this issue
RE: Geesh, they aren't rip-offs they filled gap!!!
If the guy would have just made games with similar gameplay but different graphics there wouldn't have been a problem. But no, he had to make the things looks like trademarked characters and copyrighted images. It's his own fault really.
Even a basic understanding of intellectual property law would have prevented this whole thing. He'd still have cool games, and you'd quit your pathetic misinformed whining.
I support the Developer NOT nintendo
nintendo uses its name and legal might to scare people especially the small people and developers in the world into caving in.
i feel bad for this situation and nintendo seriously needs to take a dump on its self. carma sux... but it will get its own in the end.
RE: I support the Developer NOT nintendo
NOT...
NINTENDO is in the right. Ardiri is making blatant copies of NINTENDO's characters and programs. It is in the right of NINTENDO to protect their franchise.
You got a problem with this?
You guys just don't get it
I always believe that emulator should remain free, making money off other peoples' invention is wrong. Ardiri should only charge money for his own original games (which he doesn't have), those game and watch titles and that gameboy emulator should be given out free of charge.
You'll attraction a lawsuit if you sell an emulator, you'll be better off giving it out for free. Look at Bleem! the PSX emulator, they're recently bankrupted by Sony due to the lengthy lawsuit they faced.
RE: You guys just don't get it
even if the games were free, they would be infringing on Nintendo's intellectual property rights - just selling them doesn't make them illegal. emulators have been proven to be 100% legal, heck, how many Palm developers use an emulator for development? (nearly all of em)! Bleem! actually won their lawsuit against Sony - however, it did cost them $2M.
did i miss the point that we actually removed the applications to meet Nintendo's requirements? what are you fighting this for? surely got nothing better to do.
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
RE: You guys just don't get it
You don't see authors of other gameboy emulator getting their ass sue by Nintendo simply because their emulators are free.
RE: You guys just don't get it
you miss the point here, first of all, there is no sueing going on. second of all, they were referring to the games that specifically used their trademarked characters Donkey Kong and Mario, the italian. their discussions have had NOTHING to do with the gameboy emulator - this discussion it not between Nintendo and ardiri.com, it is between Nintendo and gambitstudios (the owners of liberty). if you want to know more on the status of that, then i suggest you contact Gambitstudios with your queries - it is not ardiri.com's business here.
and, to repeat myself no one is sueing here - it was a standard "cease and desist" notification which, we complied to. if we objected to this, and, decided to bring lawyers into the battle (lawyers are the only winners here), then there would be a lawsuit of some shape and form.
// az
aaron@ardiri.com
http://www.ardiri.com/
Characters are Nintendo's Most Valuable Asset.
GameCube sucks anyways, looks stupid and it's purple.
RE: Characters are Nintendo's Most Valuable Asset.
Get the black one then.
Nintendo make palm games or let other people make Nintendo games for the palm, it's as easy as that.
RE: Characters are Nintendo's Most Valuable Asset.
LAWYERS are Nintendo's Most Valuable Asset.
RE: Characters are Nintendo's Most Valuable Asset.
"It's sure a lot easier to threaten to sue people than it is to innovate, isen't it?"
Nintendo have innovated. Ever heard of Shigeru Miyamoto?, (Creator of Zelda, Mario,
Donkey Kong, and had a hand in many other projects (Star Fox for example)).
Frankly, your mistaken belief that Nintendo do not innovate is an insult to Shigeru Miyamoto
and Nintendo as a whole.
Anyone would and should be free to defend their own creations, and so it is only fair
that Nintendo send in their Lawyers.
And while on the subject of not innovating, the person you are trying to defend has just
been punished for that very reason, failing to innovate, and failing to such a huge degree
that all he is doing is blatant cloning of the game characters, graphics and game play.
These games were popular long before ardiri wrote Palm clones of them. He knows this, that
is why he spent time writing Palm clones so he could earn money from them and do it without
the permission of the people who originally created the characters and games ideas.
Greedy Nintendo
Course Intel is up there too.
RE: Greedy Nintendo
This guy is making money out of things Nintendo designed, Greedy ?? why don't you say the guy who copied the games greedy ? instead of using his brain to think of a new games, he copied other people's game.
RE: Greedy Nintendo
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Stuffing feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken.
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Stuffing feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken.
RE: Greedy Nintendo
A suggestion to ardiri, you can make an original game based on the new Star War movie: Attack of the Clones.
leave him alone
It pains me to see a good developer attacked over stale copyright and trademark laws.
Please keep doing what your good at, re-write the images and titles, make new designs and re-release these great palm apps!
Just ignore these fools, they know not what they do.
PS when is that doom-like game due out? It looks like another giant leap in palm ap dev.
RE: leave him alone
Where did all the pro-corporate lackys come from?
RE: leave him alone
RE: leave him alone
This WHOLE FORUM is way off-target
The way I look at it Aaron has an interesting business model: create clones of the best-selling old games on other platforms, and after demoing his success, try to get the original company to take notice and license them. He succeeded with LodeRunner. He didn't with Nintendo, but as some have argued above that is arguably Nintendo's loss. Aaron is staying clear within the confines of the law.
I think Aaron's business model has succeeded far better than most other Palm developers. With pitifully few exceptions (Astraware being one), original game development on the Palm is seriously backward. Aaron's model is a good one because people are familiar with these old games and take to them easily. Galax and Froggy have been remarkably successful. Remember Digger? Now where's that?
I don't know Aaron personally, but the way some people here have taken their personal differences with him and blended it together with this Nintendo issue is simply disgraceful. **** off, morons.
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BIG bummer
man, that stinks. Aaron's games were loads of fun.