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The i705 will have a large ad in the upcoming February 3 sales flyer for Staples. It lists the i705 for sale at $450. The color picture clearly shows a monochrome screen. The ad also says it will have 8 MB of RAM and a built-in SD expansion card slot.
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Really? So I quess receiving e-mail on my cell phone is just my imagination. Or that RIM's Blackberry isn't really wireless? There's nothing new about the i700 series that I can't get with other products.
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oh... but i don't know if i'm allowed to say anything 'bout it... job requirements and all. i just think it's funny that you guys got the info on it before they even let their own sales reps know about it! meh! ^_^
-+- Palm is great! Assimilate or Die! ^_^ -+-
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Nothing at all. And of course, Palm doesn't even inform those who work for them I work at the Post Office and I have to hear about stamp rate increases from my wife and on TV.
If only Palm would try.
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Right. And I'm sure that pre-ordering them from Palm will insure your are the first to get one like when the m505 came out. Pre-ordered mine, and then cancelled when I saw them appearing on the Staples and Fry's shelves before Palm was even close to shipping my "pre-ordered" m505...
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I wonder if they read this? Yawn.
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Yep, I'll second that. The loudest people here insist everyone should be buying Sony N610s or T615s. I have to wonder if Sony is paying them. They certainly have plenty of money to blow, and lots of time to waste here. The 5 Palm devices I know of people buying in the last month were two S320's, an m125 and two m505's. Those were fairly geek-type people buying them too.
Missing the point
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> high powered IR port, high-res screen)
You do realize that these are hardly innovations (all are available on numerous other PDAs), and that the m50x series has a more powerful IR port than any of Sony's offerings don't you? Does Sony have one PDA with built in wireless? Does anybody else? I would say that is far more "innovative" than features that have been available in PDAs for years.
> When I got my Sony Clie T415 [ ... ]
Ugh! If you bought a T415, you have zero clue as to what is available in Palm OS devices. If you read any review or held it next to any other handheld (that has ever existed), it has absolutely the worst screen on any PDA, worst ever as far as I know. You know that Sony has already dropped support for it, don't you?
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I think that an 8Mb expandable unit is a great idea. Now I personally have an m505 and have been disappointed in the screen and am looking forward to a Clie 615 BUT...consider who will use such a wireless device. Doctors, Traders, infact anyone needing (really needing as opposed to it being nice to check email all the time) to have access to a wireless network will be stoked with this.
I reckon its an amazing achievement. Don't see anything similar from Sony here...Hang in there Palm.
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Palm had given us another YAWN product.
Really think about it. So it's nice that it has always on email, and you can do instant messaging.
WOW!
There you go.. Yawn, I mean Palm has gotten my praise, but couldn't they of done a bit more? I mean 16 megs could put this further in the enterprise market and a color screen, would of been worth trashing the M505, and a high screen reslution display would of even taken market share away from Sony and given it back to Palm.
I just don't see this device as a "Must Have" device.
So someone please wake us uall up when Palm really has something to "show off" to the world.
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I personally think alot of people will like the i705 because it has changed alot. I'm not talking about the casing and all, there is new features such as the always on wireless that VIIx users looked for in the past. And to think this is much lighter than the VIIx with a new OS. I think some VIIx users and RIM users might take the risk. But then again, that's what i think...
http://pdan.has.it
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Biking
The staples ad shows a star where the calculator button usually is. Since I've been living under a rock for a while I never saw that before.
It looks okay.
Star Icon
> I've been living under a rock for a while I never saw that before.
I've still got a copy of the manual that was posted by the FCC back when the i705 was approved. The manual also shows the star replacing the calculator button and calls it the Favorite icon.
Here's what the manual says:
- The Buttons Preferences screen enables you to assign a frequently used application to the Favorite icon, and to associate different applications with the buttons on the front of the handheld. Note Pad is assigned to the Favorite icon the by default. But if you use Memo Pad more frequently, you can assign Memo Pad to the icon so that you don’t have to scroll through the Applications Launcher whenever you want to use Memo Pad.
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You've Got to Admit the Weight on this is Nice
I like that Palm knows they need to have a keyboard with this unit -- I just wish they would put out a model with built in keyboard ala the Treo.
-Kevin Crossman
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CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
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Just called Staples
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Don't you think it is at all interesting that you can call Staples and they have a model called the i705 in their system? Does that help convince you it's real?
Also, Palm is taking reservations for a wireless handheld right now which it says will be out soon. June isn't soon so I wouldn't put too much credence on the date in Staples system.
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Not, of course, that I want one of these dinosaurs. :>
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You might as well expect your order at McDonalds to be right after you pull away from the drive thru... [what the hell is this McFish crap in here!]
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More photos of the courier!
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DO NOT SHOW MORE PICS OF THE COURIER!
Frank
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Is it just me . .
Dear Palm: Shoulda killed this and started from scratch . . again.
Profoundly Unimpressed
Palm, I'm just about ready to spend $500 on a new PDA, I was tempted to wait to see what would come from your R&D. See this, I won't even bother to wait for OS-5. You lost another sale...
-Brett Blatchley
Pfafftown, NC USA
RE: Profoundly Unimpressed
1. Can be used anywhere where there is GSM service.
2. Got Voice.
3. Will be readty for GPRS.
4. Got 16 MB of RAM!
5. Got a built-in keyboard
The only thing it is missing at the moment is an expansion slot.
I bet there is nothing that the favorite icon can do that a hack such as McPhling cannot. Palm Hardware division is dead.
RE: Profoundly Unimpressed
You mean:
1. Cannot be used in most locations due to GSM
RE: Profoundly Unimpressed
That is what happens when you live in a country that does not realize how things should be done if they are to be done properly.
GSM is a great way of communication, and with the addition of GPRS, it is also great for datatransfers.
Where I live we have 100% GSM cover in the entire country, from three different operators, and at least one of them offers free datatransfers over GPRS.
Most of europe have GSM.
We also have PAL - TV! :-)
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Also, the WAP browser of Siemens is much better than the one used in Nokia-phones. Ericssons New wap-browser is pretty good also though.
I however like to use my Siemens S45 (with GPRS) together with my palmIIIxe. They work perfectly toghether.
Off Topic... sorta...
Just wondering if the Treo supports triband (or at least 1800 & 1900)
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I used the search page for this site to find the keyword 'Treo'. The very first article has the answer to your question. Please do a tiny bit of research before asking a question.
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Who needs more than 8,9 million people in a single country (average of 2 people per square kilometer!).
What are the advantage of such a big country anyway?
(btw, we now have four different third generation mobile phone networks up and running... Later this year you should be able to get a subscription and use them too! Now, where are the phones...)
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Australia should qualify as as large as USA. 98% of our population is covered by GSM.
Euroupe - 98% or population is covered by GSM.
Australians do not pay to receive calls. We find it amusing that the US puts up with substandard mobile phone networks and exorbident charges...
Definitely not a RIM killer
I love the small size of my RIM (fits on my belt in a plastic holster) and will never give it up for some kludgy, large Palm with a franken-hack keyboard attachment.
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If you've got something clipped to your belt, and it's not a handgun, you are a huge loser.
~jeff
The new i705
I have now pre-ordered the replacement for my wife's Palm m505. We bought them together based on my recommendation and I can only imagine her disappointment when her's stops working. She's a highly paid project manager who will probably convert to WinCE. I have been a loyal palm customer since my first US Robotics Palm 1000. I now have a collection of obsolete devices including a Palm Pro,, A Palm III, a Palm VII and now my m505.
Yesterday, I referred two of my work associates who have asked me for their opinion on which Palm device to select to either go with the Sony or start investigating the MS CE devices. I know one of them is at BestBuy right now picking up the Sony Clie T615C. I can no longer recommend Palm hardware. They have lost their commitment to the customer.
Last night, I recommended to my investment club that we sell the last 200 shares of Palm in our portfolio. Our club executed the trade this morning.
So long Palm.. You've lost your focus. You have to know when to stop administering CPR.. You’ll only break more ribs. Sell the OS to Sony and close the doors.
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I am glad I am not in your investment club.
RE: The new i705
Well, sounds like your investment club is a big joke.
I made lots of money off of PALM when I sold it in early 2000.
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We'll see who has the last laugh. Obviously none of the deliriously Palm faithful, who remain anonymous, haven't purchased the "best palm has to offer."
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You're anonymous yourself.
Voice...
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Is the SD slot for the i705 still on the side?
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The Favourites star is pointing...
Now, why is that you think?
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This should keep people from says stuff like, "Palm is moving their corporate headquarters to Texas! That looks like a Texas star."
or
"Palm must have signed a deal with the devil. They have a pentagram on the new I-705."
Give me a break!
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I think at the very least, Palm should of given the screen a virtual graffiti.
I just discovered that my H330 can switch the calc button to launch any app you want. It also resizes the app icon and places it right there where the Calc button once was. Its a really cool thing dangit ;)
Also, it would be soo nice for reading emaail with the extra real estates.
I thought it was the i700 ;)
RE: I thought it was the i700 ;)
I checked with my source that has brought me past pictures and details of Palms weeks before release, and apparently the information that PalmInfoCenter received was true. The m130 will be $300, and the m515 will be just over $400 and will replace the m505. Palm is planning a launch of the products in March, but we may see the products in stores a week or two before the launch since Palm is stocking its warehouses to avoid not having enough product on hand.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002jan/bpd20020124009930.htm
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$300 for a color m130 which reminds me of a HELLO KITTY toy is ridiculous.
And $400 for m505 which is nothing more than better backlighting will be suicide.
Oh well, good luck PALM cause you gonna need it. Competition is great. We have Sony and Handspring to show Palm the way, the Zen of Palm. Ooops. that was the stupid inanity of Yankowski the toady.
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http://pdan.has.it
Wireless for Everyone
I think most people would rather have a small cell phone and a PDA than a large all-in-one device - I know I do. The other thing is that for pricing plans, the Palm will likely be a lot better than cell-phone options, or RIM. That's very appealing to me since I don't want another $50/month bill.
BUT; I think that the device lags so much on the hardware side that most Palm consumers will not go for it. It could become popular in the corporate market though, since it's a very functional business machine with wireless connectivity, running the most popular OS on the planet. I think ultimately it will be a hit. I personally will not buy one, because I have already decided that my next PDA will be color.
What I would like to see, and what I think could really save Palm, is for the Palm OS spin-off to set up the service to work with OTHER PDAs. If they could produce a CF or MS plug in, or a sled that would at least fit the Sony PDAs, they could become a major player in the wireless provider market - and that's where the profit is.
Please, Palm, hear my cry; make the service available regardless of hardware (any Palm OS or PPC2002) and Palm will once again be king!
RE: Wireless for Everyone
Someone above said that these features (the 8 MB, at least) would have been corrected if it wasn't for the amount of time it takes to approve a communications device. Thay may be so (which means it will be a long time before we see this with color and 16+ MB), but I hope Palm doesn't manufacture too many of these, because it is going to sell only slightly better than the m500. Despite how excited Palm is pretending to be about this device, I have to hope that behind the scenes they are vastly more realistic.
RE: Wireless for Everyone
They should make the wireless service available for other PDA's.
I would love to have a CF version for my Handera and if they made one for the universal connector than they would bring it to their entire line of devices.
I must admit though, such an option is probably too ambitious for Palm right now. They really seem to be in a rut...
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Handspring must be smiling.
Now, I'll admit that there are two strong advantages to the Palm i705.
(1) The wireless protocol Palm will use will probably have more coverage than GSM for now. Since I'm in California, I've never had a problem with my GSM Visorphone in any city. But, this may be a different story for many others.
(2)Here is the clincher: Memory-slot! Notice that the apps are getting more bloated? Heck, even the documents are getting pretty beefy. It won't be long before the 16MB in the Treo will just not be enough. I get by on 8MB because I have the CF Memplug adapter for my Visor. This won't be available in the Treo. Ah, me. If only the Palm could work as a cell-phone, I might be interested.
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PQA's are slick
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Yeah, the Kyocera can also use PQA's built in.
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Scott
Fake
the buttons from the visor edge, the power button is off the visor prism. the shape is of the Visors, (the new palms have that hourglass shape). this is a retouch to the rumor photos when there was a suspected wireless visor.
nice try though.
RE: Fake
You really need to get out more.
:)
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this device will go over decently with the public.
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Yeah, right.
That's why you aren't running marketing strategy for a major fortune 500 corporation.
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No Real Value
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Scott
i705 on sale in NYC **NOW**
The have 20 units in. $449.
It looks just like the leaked pictures.
They do not have a display unit out, though.
They also have the new T615 -- but NO display unit until tomorrow (WAAAH!).
This is NOT a rumor!! I have held both the T615 and i705 *boxes* in my own hands!!
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and the T615 on display tomorrow? Can't wait to see the screen.
I'll have to beam Deep Reader and the like over again.
:)
-Aaron
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Is it haevy or light?
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Pocket Versions of Word and Excel? Ha!
RE: Will it have a Hungary or US made issues again?
If I need to remind you, the person who said that the US model of the m505 had a brighter screen was the same dork who posted the fake m505 brightness hack. When people said it didn't work, he tried to claim it was because they had one from the US which had the hack built in... but we know that person was lying thorugh his teeth about everything. And, having seen an assortment of US and Hungary units, they are EXACTLY THE SAME.
Duh.
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it was difficult for me looking for a USA model.. im sure you work for palm since palm denied this. or you never owned a colored or the highend device.
graph
Yawn.
Is Palm actively trying to Enron themselves?
Seems like another "too little, too late" move by Palm.
RE: Yawn.
For example, the new Palm 105 with leopard skin case Enron'd big time!
Why only integrated units?
RE: Why only integrated units?
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2499
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I agree. The palm Net service at the lower price is probably all most people need. Wish they would make one for CF and springboards too. That is what would get a massive subscriber base.
RE: Why only integrated units?
The biggest problem, IMO, with the i705 is the nature of the palm.net connection. It's slow and it's not IP. That's severely limiting when compared with CDPD technology which provides an actual IP address.
I use a Novatel Minstrel M500 with my m505 - a solution which offers the best of both worlds. Real IP service at 19.2Kbps, and when I don't need the net, I drop the sled in the briefcase. Then I'm back to my slim 505 form factor which fits in my back pocket just fine.
I realize that CDPD coverage is spotty still, but it is expanding. ATT wireless is the primary carrier, and they provide service to value-added carriers like Go America, Verizon, Omnisky, and Mylo. I think the biggest hole right now is Atlanta.
Hopefully, faster competing wireless IP technologies will crop up soon. But the bottom line is, if you can't ping with it, it's gonna suck.
- cowpen
In Germany: low Chance for this
I don't know why my posting to "EDs letter" didn't show up here!?
Ok, but s.th. about the i705:
I don't think that they will make such a device for Germany! Since they have to integrate complete new wireless-hardware because Germany, Europe and some rare parts of USA use the modern GSM- and GPRS- Networks so they would have to redesign the unit.
AND: WE have the Nokia Communicator 9210 a Dualband (GSM900/1800) smartphone with a screen to die for ;-)
Really, it looks exactly like on the web! Unbelievable!
This machine has got very great success not only in our country and as far as I know they'll introduce (or still have it...) in USA to attract you.
Believe me: The Palm has no chance as a wireless e-mail device against the Communicator except in size!
I do not like Nokia very much in Germany because the seem to have same position as Microsoft:
Everybody knows & everybody wants Nokia stuff.
With Ericssons T68 Colordisplay, bluetooth enabled TRIband phone there's nice movement on our markets.
So, if you would like to have a look at our german High-Tech GSM/GPRS Networks and the devices out there ;-) you will know why I think a wireless Palm in this form wouldn't have a real chance to get succesfull here.
So, let me know what you think about my opinion.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks
Thomas
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Thanks - George
RE: In Germany: low Chance for this
As far as competing worldwide, Japanese do not like American and European products. Europeans do not like Japanese and European products. Americans like good products. Europeans and Japanese are more self-protected on buying products. They don't like imports.
Finally, the communicator and i705 are two totally different devices, since i705 is not aimed as a phone at all. No voice. I think the i705 is aimed primary at a blackberry (e-mail pager) and an Internet viewer at one affordable price. Of course, some people will not like it because... they don't like it personally.
The communicator is going to be updated soon because it will not be acceptable by consumers of its price and its size. Palm, unlike the other big boys, have free cash to build gadgets whatever way they like. Palm has to be conservative and make sure the products will sell at masses.
As far as my opinion (counts), the Treo is definitely a flop. People will immediately flame on me, but I don't care. Reconfirm this - the Treo is $539 without a two-year subscription contract. Make that clear, folks. It is not $399, unless you could buy it at some discount.
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I can't say much about the Treo devices because I haven't seen them in nature. I'll do so on CeBit in Hannover on March (Happy to visit!!!!!) and will make my own opinion about it since I don't make a real opinion about a product just over pictures.
Your opinions about our Ignorance about Japanese or American products is very interesting :) 'cause 90% of our computers still running Windows with Intel-CPUs.
And Sonys Products have a good Image in Germany. But ONLY the products, their service is real catastrophy!!!!!
Same is with japanese cars like Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda & Nissan. They're accepted, too.
And me as a German boy must say to you americans:
I'm glad to have internet and look over the big ocean ;-) because those hightech products I wouldn't know without Internet and having a look to USA or Japan!
I'm learning Japanese beginning next week and then I hope I don't just need to look at the pictures on such sites :-))
Back to Treos vs. Communicator: The Communicator device is the nearly the same idea like the Treo. It is highly accepted because of his technology and his quality. For example the complete management of Mercedes Benz is using them. It's standard at Mercedes!
The Communicator has a high resolution high quality color display (better than CLIE!), NO touchscreen, full keyboard and is not only capable of voice and email:
He is also capable of FULL webserving, send & receive Fax directly to the machine and so on...
I think the Treo should be compared to Motorolas Accompli (right spelled?).
These two machines are following the same philosophy.
Oh: Germans and american technology:
My mother has received the Motorola Accompli as a birthday present this December ;)
I don't know about Motorolas success in USA but the only phones of them really accepted here in Germany are the things like V.50, V.66 and so on as a status object. I know this is nonsense but I hardly must see that most of our people are just buying and reading everything conformed as "lifestyle" :(
The standard phones from Motorola aren't accepted very good because of the menustructure and -navigation. Very bad!
If you have the chance to check out this Nokia phones try it: Simply and fast Menunavigation! That's why they have such success. Their building quality isn't very good.
So, TREO vs. ACCOMPLI:
The Treo has got the better OS ;-)
I had the opportunity to play around with the Motorola on CeBit and know from my mother and it's just good for people who want a good smartphone with PDA in acceptable size. The OS of Motorolas Accompli is not that good.. it is very slow and the Display has weak contrast.
So, in this case I would say that the TREO would have really good chance in European Markets. By the way Handspring has found a Provider (Viag Interkom) who want's to sell these devices.
I think they better have choosen T-D1 (T-Mobile) but we will see...
At the CeBit I definetely will have a look at it.
If it looks cheap forget it. No Businessuser or s.th. else will buy it. Except a few freaks.
This statement ok?
I know the english is catastrophy but even as you know I'm still german ;-)
Greetings
Thomas
New AIM
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PalmJunkie Pictures..
RE: PalmJunkie Pictures..
Palm should have gotten a stripper and slap two i705 over her nips as pasties. Maybe use a few stylus as tassles...
Palm: You're Late Again
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020124/tc/tech_rim_nextel_motorola_dc_1.html
I don't think Palm stands a chance. I use a small Blackberry everyday and let me tell you: I will never trade it for an oversized i705.
RE: Palm: You're Late Again
RE: Palm: You're Late Again
A month ago, Palm had already announced it teamed up with TI to build a GSM/GPRS device by the end of the year.
It does not matter whether you like to trade in your blackberry or not. The one who is making decision is the IT manager, primarily. They will focus on support, function/features, usage and price. Size is a factor, but not a factor that can overcome features/price, given the fact that the i705 is too that BIG to carry around.
That's good to see some rivals begin to worry.
RE: Palm: You're Late Again
RE: Palm: You're Late Again
You are mis-informed about so many things, and yet you write believing you know what you're talking about. Problem is, the other kids follow your asinine lead.
I know I'm just adding to the pointless dialogs, but I could not help myself.
I used to enjoy reading the comments by informed and intelligent ADULTS. Well, those days are gone...
peter167, you are an idiot
(just wanted to make sure you read the post)
No matter what
And one final thing, keep reminding yourslef the Treo is $539 without a contract. Write that down in your Memo Pad.
For trolls, welcome your comings to PIC. Your trollish comments just remind everyone that they are so happy that they own a Palm.
Calling All Trolls
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RE: Calling All Trolls
Just word of advice to newcomers.....put more confidence in positive info you read in comments and avoid the negative crap that you see on this website. You will do yourself a world of good.
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i705
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REALLY OF TOPIC, SORRY BUT NEED HELP
RE: REALLY OF TOPIC, SORRY BUT NEED HELP
anyway, just call palm tech support or use palm's knowledge finder.
Me
ds
(the one who posted the Skywalker EVT2 prototype)
RE: Me
Curious thing.. I was wondering when the prototype name changed.. or could there have been more then one to spot a leak? ;)
RE: Me
ds
im?
i705
I just purchased a couple of i705's. Yawn. I am now able to remote access my corp email without carrying my notebook everwhere including through airport security. Yawn.
As a computer user of over 25 years, this product is great, but you might have to be a shaker and baker to realize it.
Tried the so-called phone email. Worthless!
PalmParazzi
Yeah that's nice ... but who's the girl ?
but what I'm not seeing here is info on the
courier chic... let's get what is important
down first... Ok.!
signed
Goon
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