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RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
Just remember this as you try to make yourself feel better for your own lack of vision by calling me a troll;
That the new Palm will support multithreading,
Multimedia beyond what it can do today
Extended memory
32 bit OS
The death of the dragonball and a move to the ARM processors
Ha.. Sounds like a PPC to me. So please let me be the first to welcome all of you to the real world of Pocket Computing (That is if Palm can actually do this successfully without screwing uplike they did when the released their current genarations of Palm Devices).
Funny how the very things Palm fought against and gave reason for their success in the PDA world are the core things Palm is trying to implement with Palm OS 5. And I just gotta say, who's the fool running around like a chicken with no head, not know what direction to go in. Again..The Palm.
Thank you for letting me share my thoughts.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
Palm has had ample chance to learn from Microsoft's mistakes. OS 5 won't require 32 MB of memory just for the OS. It won't run so slowly that battery draining processors will be necessary just to make it slightly fast enough. It won't make the handhelds so expensive that only upper-middle class geeks can afford them.
Palm has waited until batteries and processors are good enough to hit the sweet spot. If Microsoft isn't nervous, it should be.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
http://www.palmloyal.com/article.php?sid=607
Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
We respect everyone on this planet, but we do not respect for someone's wrong doings.
As long as PPCs are selling at these prices, anyone could have predicted that sales for these UNITs are slow.
You, as an editor, may think one feature is better than another. But you have not adjusted the value of PPCs accordingly with its price. (Yes, I have read that review.)
What trolls and bashers out there is they forget consumers have to pay real dollars to purchase, so do enterprises. Look for M$ to team up with Gartner or other whores to tell us how M$ market share is gaining. But they never never told you the real number of handhelds show each quarter. All they give us is either revenue, revenue generated by retail price, % increase when compared with years ago or some funky numbers that are generated by some genius.
If you would like to know how sales are for Palm and PPCs, please go to amazon.com and click Electronics and click Handhelds. There are top sellers over there. You can pretty much tell Palm is way outselling PPCs at a 5:1 ratio.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
by the way, that is a good review.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
That the new Palm will support multithreading,
Multimedia beyond what it can do today
Extended memory
32 bit OS
The death of the dragonball and a move to the ARM processors
Ha.. Sounds like a PPC to me."
So everything with more hardware specs is a PPC? Kind of stupid to look at it from this one-sides point of view, don't you think?
PPC's also come with
- bloated os
- bulky design
- crappy batterylife
- average very high price
4 things which the new Palm devices will probably not have (and if they do, I won't buy them).
"So please let me be the first to welcome all of you to the real world of Pocket Computing (That is if Palm can actually do this successfully without screwing uplike they did when the released their current genarations of Palm Devices)."
The PPC side sure wasn't able to do this without screwing up. Adding advanced features was a nice idea, but at such high prices and trade-offs that it was simply not worth it for a lot of people. However, technological development doesn't just sit still and now it is possible to add more advanced features without those horrible trade-offs. This is the time at which I would want to get a more advanced machine, but it has to be small, with proper battery life, and with an efficiënt os behind it. In other words, not the current PPC platform.
"Funny how the very things Palm fought against and gave reason for their success in the PDA world are the core things Palm is trying to implement with Palm OS 5. And I just gotta say, who's the fool running around like a chicken with no head, not know what direction to go in. Again..The Palm."
Technology changes and as such, so do the possibilities. Companies that keep the same stubborn ideas in their minds go under sooner or later (it almost happened to Palm, lets hope they'll be more flexible from now on.). MS also appears to be very stubborn, which can be seen by the defects of all previous PPC's. They'll be able to cram enough processor power and memory in a PPC to make it do what they want, but will battery technology and their bloated os be able to handle it properly? I suspect that sooner or later Palm os pda's will be able to do the same stuff at the same speed thanks to higher efficiëncy but with lower processors and less memory, and thereby save cost, size and battery life.
It is typical of certain people to only look at the good sides of PPC devices, and the bad sides of Palm os devices. Then again I am sure it also happens the other way around.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000542CO/ref=ed_oe_dvd/102-3547901-3896122
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
1) Palm OS had 82% of the market, that leaves 18% to everyone else including PPC. That is insignificant.
2) You actually believe that Palm can screw this up?? The only thing Palm could do with OS 5 is bury PPC. Hell, Palm OS units are still kicking PPCs ass with 33MHZ chips and 8-16 megs of ram. Thats got to hurt some of your feelings Im sure.
PPC is vulnerable right now whether you think so or not.
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
'What are you looking for, assurnce in numbers that people really do make mistakes and don't know what they are doing? Well, now you got that...The Palm PDA Family'
No, that's Windows!
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
-- I don't know about 18% being "insignificant." I'm sure Jobs wishes the Mac still had that market share!
RE: Die PocketPC Die!!!!!
RE: XEROX Graffiti
20 mill. x $1 = $20 mill.
Accuracy?
I really wish IDC or NPD would do a broad market survey to determine a more accurate pie chart.
RE: Accuracy?
RE: Accuracy?
PPC Never Really took off.
RE: Accuracy?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2628
There may be no numbers for online sales because these would have to be from the sellers themselves. Palm would have to say how many palms they sold and Compaq how many iPaqs. Maybe they don't trust the companies.
RE: Accuracy?
RE: HS has maintained their #2 position
RE: Accuracy?
RE: Accuracy?
November is at least 3 months ago? They also say they order hasn't changed in December, and that's 3 weeks ago.
RE: Accuracy?
It sure would be nice to know the total including the online sales, and figures from non-public companies like HandEra, who aren't obligated to tell their figures to anyone.
20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
In other words, the cost of upgrading is so trivial that I believe that at least half of all devices sold to date are sitting in someone's "junk drawer" due to replacement. Also, last time I looked they were claiming "50,000 developers", and if that's taken at face value, most developers are going to have at least two devices (one to use, one to crash ;-) ).
Bottom line - that's a lot of idle units.
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
Had many more Palm devices before though, but I give them away to people who I think could use them, Which is what most people would do rather then sticking it in a junk drawer. 2 of the people I gave my old handheld to ended up loving them so much that they went out and got their own new model and again passed that device to their wife and little brother.
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
RE: 20M units, maybe, but how many are in use?
Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
RE: Great Palms
No product
No website
No such unit
Email from this suppsoed CEO was next to useless. If this was supposed to impress anybody, it didn't.
Ho hum...
Thank you SONY!
Sony took the Palm OS, and threw it head to head with the PocketPC OS in many aspects. (Yes, it can't exactly multi-task, and wireless networking hasn't arrived (yet.) , but multitasking is irrelevant to the PDA world RIGHT NOW beyond the CLIE's capability for audio.) Besides, the CLIE's screen is simply gorgeous compared to ANYTHING else out there.
Even more amazing, the new PEG-N760C pulls it all off without turning the Palm OS into a kludgy, confusing mess, or without raising all sorts of compatibility issues. Now.. about that crappy flip cover that came with it.
I'll admit that most Sony products are over-rated crap, but the CLIE is the best thing to come out of the purple-loving company since the Aibo!
RE: Thank you SONY!
> the CLIE's screen is simply gorgeous compared to ANYTHING else out there.
Oh please! I'd take most any of the new PocketPC device's color screens over the tiny screens on the Clies. Do you keep your Clie on an altar and worship it at night?
RE: Thank you SONY!
Doug (A Prism owner)
RE: Thank you SONY!
RE: Thank you SONY!
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RE: Thank you SONY!
Good thing they fixed those problems with the new models, although I would expect something like bluetooth or something extra in pda's that are being released around now. A highres screen is nice but not really amazing, and a small size seems more like a standard to me (but then again, I want just about everything small).
RE: Thank you SONY!
> added in the last 7 months. And you are still not impressed?
The original poster was claiming all the great things Sony did with the Palm OS, OS in capital letters. VFS is more than 7 months old. Their pixel doubling hack was an unelegant step backwards for the Palm OS. The other two items are hardware.
So yes, they did do a couple of things hardware-wise that catch the eyes people looking at PocketPCs (I already said that once), but it is wrong to claim they did anything good for the Palm OS. They hacked it and put their own set of proprietary bundled apps on top of it. How Microsoft of them.
RE: Thank you SONY!
As for the T-series buttons that Garfield takes issue with, it depends on personal taste. I happen to like the new toggle (pg up/dn) button the T-series. I find it far easier to use than the one on my S320.
And, please, if we want to bash buttons -- what's that awful JogDial on the H330? HandEra could take lessons from Sony on how to do a JD!
RE: Thank you SONY!
Pocket PC Market Share
RE: Pocket PC Market Share
the palm is still the only one that is intuitive enough to replace paper (at least for some).
20M is not all that much
20M isn´t all that much. Let´s make a parallel comparison: I am a hardcore game consumer and we know Sony sold more than 20M PS2 worldwide in no more than 2 years and the 1st Playstation sold much more than that. And we´re only talking about Sony. The game industry as a hole compete side by side with Hollywood itself. And some people still face consoles as no more than flashy toys. Palms/Pocket PCs are waaay less sofisticated but costs more that the most advanced console around today. It´s still way too expensive for anyone: consumer or enterprise. There´s no way to increase market share costing that much. And yes, although a poor m100 is inexpensive, who wants to use that piece of crap when Sony just released that nice T615?
RE: 20M is not all that much
RE: 20M is not all that much
> that piece of crap when Sony just released that nice T615?
Umm, someone who doesn't have an additional $300 to spend? Money must run from your fingers like water off a duck but the rest of us have to justify what we buy. Color is good. I'd like color. But not for triple the cost.
RE: 20M is not all that much
Scott
Palm 20 mil mark
Long live Palm and keep making the people who lame on you looking silly.
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