Comments on: Rumor: Palm m130 and m515 Revealed

Uhh ?? Are you serious ? I believe that the fact is "Because it was the WORST screen available at the time". CLIE has BEST screen, not PALM.

Also, the m505 was out for a few months before the N series, which is probably what you are talking about. When the m505 was released, it had the best screen available on a Palm OS device. Since then, better screens have been introduced and now its Palm's turn for an update.

Uhh ?? Are you serious ? I believe that the fact is "Because it was the WORST screen available at the time". CLIE has BEST screen, not PALM. <<

You need a little historical perspective. When the Palm m505 was INTRODUCED, it was the best screen available at the time--certainly better than the Sony S500C, which flopped mightily in Japan. The IIIc and Visor Prism were already on the market and were brighter, but they couldn't be viewed outside. So the Palm had the most viewing options, even if it's brightness was less-than-desirable. Sony LATER came out with a better screen on the N series.

It's not known whether the whiner above bought his m505 before or after the N series was released. But I agree that said whiner should ****, because Palm was simply offering the best it had, NOT trying to rip him off. Just because the m505 had flaws doesn't mean Palm was keeping something better under raps, essentially soaking people for money with inferior products. Get a grip.

On a side note, some people simply will NEVER understand how and why this stuff happens, and that's why they'll never be satisfied with ANYTHING Palm does.
Consider:
1) In a capitalist economy, no company can maintain 90% dominance fairly, because the competition will invariably make gains in marketshare. People who point to minor gains by Handspring, Sony, Compaq, etc., claim it's a sign of "Palm's demise." No, it's merely a sign that capitalism works.
2) Sony is able to innovate faster than Palm mainly because Sony is a larger company, with more cash and therefore more $$$ for R&D. Some people act like Palm employees sit around with their thumbs up their a**es all day--that's simply not the case.
3) Just because Palm made mistakes during the Yankowski "fog" doesn't mean those will continue. Anyone who reads about what the company is CURRENTLY doing can tell that they're beginning, again, to move in the right direction. Sure, the m515 is probably more about fixing problems than it is about innovating, but you've got to fix your vehicle before you can drive it, don't you?
4) Amazingly, despite Palm's problems, despite (inevitably) lost market share, they are STILL #1. Why? Well, popular low-end options (m100), brand-name loyalty, etc. Is there anything wrong with brand-name loyalty? Lots of people admit that New Balance makes a better running shoe than Nike. Has New Balance overtaken Nike? No, and the fact that Sony's products are CURRENTLY better than Palm's doesn't mean Sony will overtake them. It also doesn't mean that Palm buyers are somehow stupid, retarded, misled, etc.--nobody claims Nike buyers are.

So to the smug Sony-loving, Palm-hating crowd: enjoy your Clie--it's a nice machine. But stop bashing Palm at every opportunity, and ESPECIALLY stop bashing people who buy Palms to satisfy your own insecurities with self-important claims of superiority. Besides, the supposed superiority of your Clie doesn't mean you're anything but what your CHARACTER shows you to be.

I think it's a fair statement to say that there is WAY too much bashing on ALL sides of the platform going on on this site.

It really doesn't matter where it started. What matters is that this is Palm INFO Center, as in INFORMATION. As in, read news, post questions/answers, and offer opinions. Unfortunately, WAY too many people who post here focus their opinions too much on the "My PDA can beat up your PDA" argument. I've seen it from proponents of ALL PalmOS devices--Palm, Sony, Handspring, even Handera. It's just plain sickening.

People, IT IS A MACHINE!!!!!!!! YOU WILL EVENTUALLY ABANDON IT FOR ANOTHER MACHINE!!!!!!! AND YOU MIGHT SWITCH BRANDS WHEN YOU DO!!!!!! WHAT'S MORE, EVEN IF YOU SWITCH, YOU'LL PROBABLY REMAIN WITH THE SAME PLATFORM!!!!!!

Why is that so hard to understand?
And why is it necessary to try to argue what's the "best PDA?" Do people argue what the best cross-training shoe is? Best automobile? Best desktop computer? (Apple-lovers notwithstanding) Best brand of jeans? Best ice cream? Best answering machine? No! The beauty of capitalism & competition is that there are different products from different companies, and we all have a choice. If you're so small-minded that you insist on acting like a 2-year-old and attempting to elevate YOUR brand (no matter what it is) by reducing the others, my first inclination is to tell you to play on a very crowded highway, please. But in the spirit of rational discussion, I'll merely ask you to take a look at yourself in the mirror and consider just how foolish you look.

Palm is the "mainstream" PDA which everybody recognizes as being a "Palm", well done and trusty,
for "everyday" use.

Handera, TRG and Sony make enhanced, state of the art PDAs for more demanding users or people who know how to take advantage of their especial features.

As simple as that, so dont compare oranges and apples.

I almost bought the 505, but will wait for the 515.

If the "rough finish" is similar to the V, then I'm fine with that.

Sony N series: multimedia, form factor & expandability

Handspring Prism: THE Pioneer in 65K colours that got Sony interested in colour

Handspring Treo: Another pioneer in FULL-INTEGRATED communicator, hope they wld release the color version in no time

Palm V/m5xx series: Pioneers in the slim form factor

And Ed. It is about time someone noticed that the M125-130 should have been called the M325-330, or maybe the M325-255.

C_Blue

Don't get technology... get tools to do the job...

ted

Because they are evil minions of Satan who enjoy lying to people. In fact, they get a bonus what they pass the 10,000 lie mark. They also like to sit around and laugh about the lies they tell to other support trolls.

It's either that or the changes in the OS you are complaining that you don't have are on an unreleased handheld so they aren't available yet. They aren't on the version of OS 4.1 that ships on the Sony models.

You should give up complaining about the m505's screen. You knew what it looked like when you bought it. If you really didn't like it, why didn't you return it?

Being able to use color in Notepad would be something cool to have. Oh yeah.. and I guess having all those BUG FIXES would be nice too. If Palm Support deems these fixes as "not important", why even make them in the first place? How can bug fixes not be important?

That is kind of confising, since I thought the Bluetooth card works under 4.0. Still, the SD I/O spec was finalized after 4.0 came out. You would have to look at the spec and the changes in this 4.1 release to see what is added. Probably specific support for types of devices (perhaps serial/modems and other generalizable devices) defined in the SD I/O spec.

It will be available at many, but not necessarily all, the places you mentioned.

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i checked at my local staples and all they could tell me is they'll be selling a new model starting the 7th. he didnt know if it was the 130 or the 515

Note that the differences mentioned seem to be only MMC/SD slot related. They probably aren't necessary in the version of 4.1 that was out prior to now for the non-SD Palms.

What the heck are you talking about? The i705 has an SD slot.

I can see it now: Oops. I have a sharp edge with my Rhinoskin. Gee. I'll use my m515's rough finish to sand down the edges.

Read the post next time. The rough finish is on the CASING, not the screen.

Unless you've been noticing a lot of GLARE from your m505 case...

Maybe Staples will come through with that one...

djm

In response to this first statement, if you feel this way, then DON'T fork out the cash. One of Palm's objectives appears to be to maintain consistent appeal for first-time users--the PDA is far from saturated. Do they provide compelling features for experienced, "power" users? That's debatable--many think not. But they're certainly not FORCING you to buy their product(a la Micro$oft). There are other choices--take a look at them.

In response to the question, I would say that yes, eventually they will. But I doubt that kind of PPC-esque behemoth is NOT their top priority, mainly because at this point, it may not be feasible if you also want the battery life Palm has been noted for.

Now, a question for you: what the heck is a baby steo? Is this some type of PDA for my 7-month-old?

(That's sarcasm, but I honestly suggest you read over your post before clicking the "Post Comment" button.)

And regarding Palm asking us to "fork out cash for devices that still do pretty much the same thing". As far as I am concerned you have absolutetly no knowledge on what is really happening out there. I don't remember my Vx having an SD slot...I don't remember my VIIx having one either! I can't recall if my Vx was color? If yo uonly just went back and began reading some of the posts when the m505 was released. You will see so many people who LOVED the m505 but would have liked to have seen a brighter screen. Well, Palm is giving you that. More memory? Palm is giving you that. All you seem to want is YOUR perfect PDA from Palm and right now. Remember that your perfect PDA may not be that of somebody else.

Why don't you just get a PPC. They have all the things you want in a PDA! Or are they too big??????

you're so pathetic.

If anyone has any information or reports on battery life with the screen set to its brightest setting I am very interested.

If the battery life is ok I think that Palm can go head to head with Sony for the folks who want a lightweight, slim handheld. On the "rough" vs "smooth" issue (which IMHO is about like the beer commercial) I got a better feel and grip with the 515

Ok. I am a little bit kidding.

Its OS device has its own merrit. So many
more people buying Palm instead of PPC have
their own valid reasons. You probably could not see
them.

As I see it, for personal use, Palm has a lot of advantage over PPC ( at least now). But for
enterprise use, PPC does have some advantages.

Before OS 5 coming out, I believe Palm will still
do quite well on consummer side and lose market shares
on enterprise side to PPC.

ted

Are you kidding????
Corporate America prefers Palm OS, I dont remember the exact numbers but you can ask any IT guy
Not only Palm devices are easier to use and more user friendly but they are also easier to mantain. The last thing they need is hanhelds that freeze like Windows does.
Maybe the next crop of PPC will be better but currently PalmOS is more reliable