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A source has come forward with information on Samsung's replacement for the I300 smartphone. According to this source, the SPH I330 will "probably" run the 66 MHz DragonBall Super VZ. It will have a 16-bit color screen, as opposed to the 256-color one the I300 has. It will run Palm OS 3.5.2, not anything more recent, and will be available in early summer. The price isn't known yet.
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why PalmOS 3.5.2?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:38:55 AM #
why use 3.5.2, when 4.1 is already available?

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
mfs @ 2/27/2002 10:43:07 AM #
The article states that 3.5.2 is used in the I300 and "the I330 will run Palm OS 4.1"

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:44:16 AM #
My guess is their software (like the app that does the virtual phone keypad) doesn't work under 4.1 and they decided it wasn't worth the hassle of changing it. Rewriting, debugging, and fully testing software can be expensive. There aren't a ton of new features in OS 4.1, though you'd think the 16-bit color support would be worth it.

There's another option. The source of this info is wrong. That happens sometimes.

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:44:34 AM #
Not sure...good question

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
mfs @ 2/27/2002 10:46:02 AM #
...that's what I think its saying. The first paragraph is a bit confusing

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
Ed @ 2/27/2002 10:48:33 AM #
> The article states that 3.5.2 is used in the I300 and "the I330 will run Palm OS 4.1"

Sorry for the confusion. I'm working from two sources of info. As often happens with unannounced products, contradictory information is circulating around. The first source says the I330 will run OS 3.5.2, the second, PDA France, says 4.1.

News Editor

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 9:49:05 AM #
What does Palm OS 4.1 have thats truly useful that Palm OS 3.5.2 doesn't? I could see the benefits of Palm OS 4.x if the thing had some sort of memory expansion..but it does not.

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 11:17:47 AM #
More than likely, it will have 4.1. 3.5.2 does not have 16 bit color support with the exception of the Handspring Visor Prism. As far as I know, Samsung isnt in bed with Handspring so im sure that the i330 will have 4.1

RE: why PalmOS 3.5.2?
Scott @ 2/28/2002 2:11:16 PM #
OS4 includes some small but significant improvements to web-clipping. That's a pretty big deal for a smartphone. The lack of OS4 is one of my top gripes for my i300.


Where's the keyboard?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:43:29 AM #
If any PDA-phone is going to be useful for e-mail, it must have a built-in thumb-style keyboard like the Blackberry and Treo. Let's hope that'll be an option on the new Samsung (but I doubt it). Any ideas?

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:48:28 AM #
I don't know, I have an i705, use the email a ton, and don't use a keyboard.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:58:12 AM #
Keyboards are nice for people new enough to the Palm to need it, but COME ON!!! Grafitti is NOT tough. Even if you think it is, there's Jot, and the popup keyboard. There's no real need for a thumb keyboard. I can understand that someone writing LARGE files might want a full size keyboard, but mostly only for comfort reasons, anything else is just laziness in my opinion.

Learn to use the technology you are using! I bet you never bring up a command prompt in Windows/XWindows either. Or worse, you are a Mac user. Yick.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:04:11 AM #
You said: "Keyboards are nice for people new enough to the Palm to need it, but COME ON!!! Grafitti is NOT tough."

How long would it have taken you with Graffiti to write that entire posting? I've been using Palm OS for 3+ years and always find Graffiti and the on-screen keyboard to be useful only for very short text entry. I would never write this e-mail (or yours) without some kind of physical keyboard. Is it really just me?

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:07:12 AM #
Hey, I write about 30wpm on graffiti. Not sure about the on screen keyboard though.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:12:37 AM #
Well, I can write about 100 wpm on a full-size physical keyboard, so Graffiti or a virtual keyboard at 30 wpm just doesn't cut it.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 12:03:24 PM #
I have to agree that using a keyboard is much better than graffiti. Dont get me wrong - I do use both but I use Thumbtype stick-on pad to do LOTS of my e-mail messages on my Palm IIIxe equipped with minstrel III.

Im fine with it!

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 12:27:00 PM #
There's a Samsung version of one of the snap-on keyboards available soon for the i300.

BTW as an i300 owner, I agree with the post regarding holding off on upgrading to this model until 3G. Data rates are just too ridiculous to surf for long periods of time at 56K or 14.4....

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 12:49:15 PM #
>"Data rates are just too ridiculous to surf for long periods of time at 56K or 14.4...."

Ahh.. to the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as wireless 56k for PalmOS smartphones at the moment. And, from my understanding (i've got a very knowledgable friend who works for Ericson) even 3G won't go much beyond 56K. There has been a ton of misinformation regarding this point. 3G means 2M of bandwidth PER CELL - but with 32 'users' for each cell. So with RF interference, count on 56K at best.

Correct if i'm wrong somebody. In any event, 56K on these devices is plenty great - and should be a huge leap over the current best of 14.4K.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:01:46 PM #
Last time I check many people are still using 56K modem, and they seems very happy :)

what's wrong with 56K, I am Cable user, but I really don't see the problem with 56K. The only advantage of Cable over 56K Phoneline connection is Cable has a more stable connection, other than that, Cable only provide you with faster download, but that not what you want on a cell. Do you wanna download a 600 MB movie file on a cellphone ??

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:13:08 PM #

RE: Where's the keyboard?
Ed @ 2/27/2002 2:44:18 PM #
Samsung demonstrated a keyboard for the I300 at PalmSource:

Hopefully they will also release a version for the I330.

News Editor

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 4:03:19 PM #
Come on, guys! How can you compare 56K with broadband?

Even if there are a number of images, 56K connection crawls.

More and more webpages are getting fancier graphics and sound, and without broadband connection, surfing the web would be a pain.

I for one will never go back to 56K when you can have > >800K connection.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:05:12 PM #
whatever - i made the comment above about the real situation with 3G above (that its only 56k). I too am a broadband user (for 3yrs now) at > 800k. My point was that people who are waiting for that on there wireless pda/cell will have to wait many, many years. Its taken YEARS to get 3G of the ground and it has hardly begun to roll out yet. It takes a massive multi-billion dolar effort to get to the point where the next generation of ceel network is rolled out. In fact, 3G has been one of the largest business stories/controversies of the last 2 yrs and has been called 'the biggest financial gamble in corporate history' by some. Remember - Ericson, Nokia and all of there telco company customers, lost billions on the stupid WAP cell/microbrowser thing because in the end nobody used it or liked it.

And so, if after years of pushing it and developing it - and its going to be another year or 2 before its fully out there - and if ITS only going to provide 56k, then dont expect them to put anything ('4G') out there that will give broadband speed for atleast 5 yrs. Dissapointing, i know - but the big boys have much more to worry about: they've got to make their money back on 3G. This isnt like wired broadband which can leverage underutilized networks, because they've already pushed the current cell networks as far as they can go.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:20:24 PM #
>'Come on, guys! How can you compare 56K with broadband?'

I dont think anybody was comparing 56k with > 56K. They simply said that - relative to whats currently out there - its an improvement and its more than acceptable for email and web surfing - certainly next to 14.4k. I mean, viewing the web (in color) in the 'Palm' of yr hand. Too cool!

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:53:23 PM #
Let me put in a plug for Fitalystamp. With no more practice than I put into using Graffiti, I got over 50 wpm (some people get even faster). Not as fast as a fullsize keyboard, but fast enough so that I prefer to use FS rather than carry around my folding keyboard.

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:58:25 PM #
What would be cool, is if you could have your PDA stream off content from your home server. You could, lets say watch a movie, listen to music, all from your home machine ("server"). Now, tell me... how the hell can you do that one 56k?!

RE: Where's the keyboard?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 9:48:01 AM #
of course with the Treo you get cingular - no real service area so roaming is a killer.

why can't people develop new phones for ALL SERVICES???

Much Better

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 10:52:09 AM #
The 1330 looks ton loads better than the 1300. They have lost the boxy look. I wish they had added some kind of flip cover, though.

RE: Much Better
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:05:40 AM #
Thats lame. I'm sure in about 1 month, there will be tons of covers for them. if all else fails, just use a plastic bag. LOL

Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms

jjsoh @ 2/27/2002 11:05:30 AM #
I know it's just speculation that this cell-PDA hybrid may be running on a 66MHz Dragonball, but I've never hear of any other PDA's out there with this chip.

Has anyone heard/seen any PDA with Palm OS that runs on a 66MHz chip? If so, is there really a noticeable difference in speed?

RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:19:21 AM #
yes, you will notice about a 33mhz difference!

RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
sandbuck @ 2/27/2002 11:36:01 AM #
Brilliant observation. Do you eat your lunch through a straw?

RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
bcombee @ 2/27/2002 12:05:07 PM #
At PalmSource 2002, David Fedor commented that Palm OS running on the SuperVZ (66MHz) felt about twice as fast as it running on the VZ (33MHz).

CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
MHz != speed for all apps
webgremlin @ 2/27/2002 1:39:30 PM #
The only important thing I do with my Palm that depends on any significant speed is searching through large iSilo documents (I have several and use them for reference all the time). iSilo 3.0 is not slow--it's a much faster searcher than many doc readers, which is part of why I chose it, but I still could use a lot more performance when searching 2+ MB files. I have a good old 16 MHz Visor Deluxe, and I had hoped that some of the new models with 33MHz processors would provide a performance boost. I have tested this on the m500, m505, N610, N7??, and Visor Platinum. The only one that was faster was the Platinum! It was less than 50% faster, while all the other 33MHz devices searched about the same speed as each other, and all more than 50% slower than my 16MHz Visor Deluxe!! In my experience, setting iSilo to different display color depths (where relevant) had no significant impact. As I understand it, this incredible speed advantage in the Visor line (and it really is very noticeable, especially on large documents) is due to a different memory configuration, not the processor. It seems that afterburner and the like are able to hack this for some palms, but I haven't been able to test this.

The moral of the story: for many purposes, MHz != speed, even using the same kind of processor.

-wg <><

RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
palm_pilot_guy @ 2/27/2002 5:30:29 PM #
one question.

did motorola release a super vz processor?

"Go Moe! Go Moe! Don't make Homer shout out D'Oh!"


RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 5:38:03 PM #
The Dragonball Super VZ processor was announced by Motorola at PalmSource conference a couple of weeks ago. It is not an ARM proccesor and as such, will not be supported in OS 5.0. For that, Motorola announced the Dragonball MX (or MK?) which has an ARM core and will do speeds in the 200mhz range (they'll have versions running at different clock speeds - just like Intel and TexasInstruments who have also announced ARM processors that are PalmOS 5.0 compliant).

The idea is that since %.0 devices are 6-9 months away, the SuperVZ would provide an interim performance boost for devices released before that, that use 4.1 or earlier version of PalmOS.

RE: Other 66MHz Dragonball Palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:00:44 AM #
Webgremlin, interesting stuff. Did you run Quickbits when you did the speed trials?

why ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 11:39:53 AM #
Why is everyone going on about "66mhz" db cpu's ?

66mhz isnt that great,i got my lousy m500 running at 60mhz. ran fine to,never even crashed. I personally am waiting for next years clies. The prototype photos look awsome!

RE: why ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:02:17 PM #
Is it true?

How does the battery last?

RE: why ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:20:30 PM #
m500 running at 60MHz... I know Afterburner can only runs up to 54MHz...

prove it!

RE: Speed
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:24:11 PM #
If your palm do 60MHz now, on the 33MHz CPU, imagine overclocking the 66MHz dragonball to 75, 80 or maybe 100!! Hehe!

New Clies?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 4:30:08 AM #
I too will be upgrading my M505 to one of the new clies. Hopefully they'll have bluetooth and mpeg support with sound. Where can I see these prototype pictures?

RE: why ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 4:52:47 AM #
mpeg support !? then you better get one of those palm with a harddrive.... ~~ which doesnt exist yet ....

RE: why ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 10:58:41 AM #
Did I say I wanted to watch 2 hour mpegs NO. All I want is to watch 15 second videos from my cyber shot camera. Don't just jump to conclusions you ....... won't say it or I'll be as bad as you!

Is faster and looks a little nicer but.......

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 12:14:19 PM #
You know, if they'd make one of these for US GSM networks I might even consider it. Problem still is that, until GPRS, 3G, whatever, you've got to dial in and pay ridiculous rates for slo-mo data. I'll hapily stick with my cell phone and i705 for now.

RE: Is faster and looks a little nicer but.......
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 10:32:31 AM #
The i330 is CDMA2000 - the true 3G version with packet data, not 2.5G like GPRS.

No SD card???

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:38:38 PM #
this is just another treo, and no better than the previous samsung pdaphone.

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:45:11 PM #

Yes basically it is just a Treo.

The Treo has one on it.(It has on the Treo (has base memory of 16 meg)
The Samsung has one on The Treo (support for analog but the Treo doesn't.)

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 1:59:35 PM #
People you should realize that Samsung came with the PDAphone first, so you should be saying Treo is just a Samsung PDAPhone.

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 4:23:24 PM #
ITs just another Samsung pda/phone. nothing new. no memory expansion

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 5:51:15 PM #
I like how you try to act all cool and jaded and 'been there done that' with your 'its just another Samsung PDA/Phone' comment. As if they've been cranking out dozens of models (and you've been using them all of course)for years and years.

FACT MORON: Its a color PalmOS phone (!!!) and its only Samsungs second model. The first has been out only a matter of a few months and its the FIRST AND ONLY COLOR PDA phone! Do any of you know of other Smartphones that let you browse REAL web pages (html) in full color??? no - didnt think so. God some of you people have no lives and no motivational sensibilties what-so-ever which is made obvious by the fact that you miss the point of every damn discussion and instead think that this is a chance to showcase your unwarranted, ignorant attitudes. But more then anything you demonstrate that you simply have no life.

'its just another Samsung PDA' - no, its just another juvenile idiot wasting bandwidth and oxygen.

RE: No SD card???
TDS @ 2/28/2002 12:46:35 AM #
I tend to agree with the above poster. Most of these guys that whine that new technology is not good enough or innovative enough flip burgers for a living. Show us your patents for the new, innovative PDA Einstein!

RE: No SD card???
sandbuck @ 2/28/2002 7:33:13 AM #
>> its just another Samsung PDA' - no, its just another juvenile idiot wasting bandwidth and oxygen.

*Post of the week*

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 3:04:55 PM #
>>"*Post of the week*"

Possibly, but I still like the comment to the 33MHz guy about eating his lunch through a straw. Hehe.

RE: No SD card???
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/10/2002 10:01:51 PM # doesn't matter which company is manufacturing a Palm based OS phone, or any other for that matter--the technology is available to incorporate just about everything most users have asked for into any PDA phone.

Ever heard of marketing strategy and planned obsolesence? With each release of a phone, any company is concerned only with THEIR bottom line and, therefore, will put out ONLY what it feels is necessary to entice consumers to upgrade. Again, and again.

After all, why give us everything we want right now in a single phone, when instead, they can make a fortune off of us by dangling a new $500+ carrot in front of our stupid little noses every 6 months or so?

Don't get me wrong. I'm just another sucker that grabs up every carrot handed to me, while begging for more. I just wish we consumers could all somehow go "on strike." Maybe then we'd at least force the U.S. based cellular network to catch up to the technology already available in Japan and Europe!

However, most people would never believe that this is being done intentionally. One of the best quotes I've ever heard was something to the effect of, "Puny secrets are quite difficult to keep, however, the biggest secrets don't need to be hidden due to public incredulity."

Sept. 11th comes to mind... Really research the data, the timelines, the lies, the history with open eyes--no, don't; ignorance is probably preferable. Ever notice that dumb people, in general, are happier than intelligent people? Thinking generates questions that can result in the realization that "reality" is based upon programmed belief systems, whereas stupidity is easily programmed to believe in whatever "reality" they have been exposed. In religion they call it "Blind Faith."

WAKE UP PEOPLE. You aren't all stupid, you just need to stop believing what you hear, look at the facts instead, and then think!

Man Alive...

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 2/27/2002 1:55:55 PM #
that is a sexy phone, can't wait...

RE: Man Alive...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 2:08:24 PM #
Sexy PHONE? It's a piece of electronic equipment, for God's sake, and a pretty IPAQ-y looking one at that.

Let me guess, when your flesh-and-blood significant other flashes that come-hither look, you say:

"Wow, nice features. Have you upgraded recently?"


RE: Man Alive...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 2:58:13 PM #
Thats one sweeet phone. I'm gonna buy'll be heaven switching from my palm M500.

RE: Man Alive...
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 2/27/2002 3:02:53 PM #
last time i told her that she slapped me, then i made it up to her with an i300

M330 To be released in Korea

jmlg @ 2/27/2002 3:19:06 PM #
Apparently the "M330" is to be released in Korea sometime in April.

I read this information on the I300 message is a link to the post.

I tried the link that is supplied in the post but it looks like the site has exceeded bandwidth limits or something of that nature.

Here are the features of the M330 that the user has listed...maybe the Memory Stick expansion will be a reality?

the diffefences m330 has:
16M ram
expansion slot (digital camera and GPS will be out soon)
usb (not sure)
bigger buttons
new design (more ipaq than palm)
16-poly bell sound (which is a must in korea these days)
motorola vz 33mhz cpu
no lcd display above (for the expansion slot)

If this is true, Im sold...whenever it comes to the US.

(trying to think of a clever signature line)

Service Plan is Key

fperkins @ 2/27/2002 4:32:22 PM #
The problem with PDA phones is that they make you use your regular phone minutes for internet access.

Example, I check a stock quote which takes about 15 seconds. Great, I just got charged for 1 minute of air time.

If you're going to make a PDA/Cell phone, you need to seperate out your internet access from your airtime minutes.

If they can do this and make a workable belt clip, Im sold! I especially like the Memory stick feature since my camcorder is a Sony

RE: Service Plan is Key
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 5:49:37 PM #
You are going to pay one way or another, you are not going to get data access for free. Personally, I would rather have my surfing come out of my monthly allotment of minutes than pay by the amount of data I download (the only other option; or you could do like Voicestream and charge an extra $30/month for datastream minutes). Before I picked up the Samsung I300, I was using a Nokia 8260 with AT&T and a Prism with a Minstrel modem with Omnisky service. AT&T charged me $35/month and OS charged $40/month for ulimited browsing. With taxes and whatnot, was paying around $80/month. Now that I've picked up my I300, I just got a bigger plan with more minutes to cover my data use for like $50/month. Because my I300 is an all-in-one device, I definitely use the data portion of the phone more because its with me all the time and so I use it more than I did my Prism/Minstrel and I still don't go over my monthly allotment of minutes and I'm paying $30 less per month! Having your data use come out of your monthly minutes is definitely the way to go. Right now, some companies are charging you by the amount of data you download on their new networks (Voicestream and AT&T) but once the newness of the technology wears off, the service will most likely be available for a nominal fee and will be deducted from your monthly minutes (like most 14.4 cell phone services are) so you better get use to it because that's the way it is going to be.

RE: Service Plan is Key
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 5:52:18 PM #
You're getting shafted by your carrier. I get charged by the second by Vodafone down here in Australia. If I make a 15 second call that's what I get charged for. However I don't use GSM for data anymore. I've been using GPRS with Vodafone for 2 months now. Very cool, esp in conjunction with my T39 and Palm Bluetooth card... :-)

RE: Service Plan is Key
fperkins @ 2/27/2002 6:42:06 PM #
>Having your data use come out of your monthly minutes is definitely the way to go.

I disagree. If Palm can offer an unlimited plan, then so can Samsung.

RE: Service Plan is Key
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 10:18:48 PM #
> I disagree. If Palm can offer an unlimited plan, then so can Samsung."

First of all, because the Samsung device is an all-in-one solution (so its a cell phone among other things), the responsibility of creating the pricing plans goes to the carriers because it is their networks the device will be using. Second, Palm is offering an unlimited DATA plan for $35/month. So would you rather pay your regular monthly cell phone bill then have say Sprint, for example, tack on another $35 for unlimited data access? NO THANK YOU!!!! Personally, I would rather get a bigger plan with more minutes that is only going to cost me another $10-$20/month over what my normal bill would have rather than pay a data fee of $35 in additon to whatever voice plan I chose. And with the access coming out of your minutes, you can monitor your useage for the first few months and decide if you need a plan with more or less minutes than your current one instead of just always paying an additional $35/month.

Wholy Pee Pee makers Batman!

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 6:24:53 PM #
This phone SUCKS! It's an ipaq wanna be with nothinhg more that a Dragonball Z!

RE: Wholy Pee Pee makers Batman!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 8:31:44 PM #
Well first, it uses a Dragonball Super VZ processor, and there's no iPaq with a built in cell phone.

RE: Wholy Pee Pee makers Batman!
TDS @ 2/28/2002 12:51:14 AM #
Uh Oh, it's an Ipaq wannabe? Does that mean it has lame battery life, poor memory management and the inconvenient interface like the Ipaq?

RE: Wholy Pee Pee makers Batman!
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 11:00:06 AM #
yes, however, do you really need all the speed of an IPAQ to play games, or even check the schedule? no, you relly don't...thats why this is a cheap, simple alternative...

RE: Wholy Pee Pee makers Batman!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2002 10:09:42 AM #
>>and there's no iPaq with a built in cell phone

Does a Journada count as an eyepack ?

Tomb Raider anyone?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/27/2002 9:03:46 PM #
Dose this phone remind anyone of what the Character Laura Croft was toting around in Tomb Raider? Personaly I'm waiting for integrated Blue tooth and expansion, Get my laptop out and away we go... Probably won't happen until OS 5/6 though. I'll stick with my m505, data-cable and ancient moorola startack. BTW; If you compare the rates using voice minutes for data is way cheeper than seperate data time (especially with Sprint's free Night and weekend Minuets. Office by day, ANYwhere by night).

Mike Allwitt
-Cube Raider

RE: Tomb Raider anyone?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 12:05:25 PM #
I'm getting ready to get online with a Clie 760/data cable/startac combo. How do you like it?
Can you view any web pages? How about e-mail?
does it take long to connect it all and get online?

RE: Tomb Raider anyone?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 6:53:30 PM #
the data cable method works fine and yes you can see web pages (Blaser 2.0) email is ok though I'm still trying to find a progrma I realy lik and that works, not only wirelessly but also interfaces well with Outlook 2000. Imabic Email ( is not bad but it needs Mark as Read/Unread as well as HTML email support, It's wireless aspect is slick though. If you are planning to use multiple ISPs (one for net and others for e-mail) I'd suggest netselect ( It really helps to change Network prefs on the fly. Good luck and happy surfing!

Mike Allwitt
-Cube Raider

Battery Life?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/28/2002 1:58:51 AM #
Ed, have you heard any news on the battery life for the new I330? I hear the current I300 comes boxed with TWO batteries indicating this thing really sucks the juice.

Half of this info might not even be right ...

archer823 @ 2/28/2002 12:55:08 PM #
As an I300 owner and someone who truly blieves in the Cell/PDA combo working, after reading this it's just eye candy and marketing more than real fact.

What OS it runs, what color screen, how many megs are things that can change. To me it seems likely it WILL be 3.5.2 but it could be 4.1 possibly and possilby have a Memory Stick slot. Maybe it'll come with 8 megs? Maybe 16? Unless your transporting lots of different programs and documents, do you really see a need with 16 and if it has a memory stick slot. As for chip speed between 33 66 etc. etc. sure it be nice if it was 66 but who knows.

The real questions to really ask are following. Most likely SprintPCS will carry this phone it seems, thus will it work on CDMA2000. If it does then honestly why are we aruging over "per minute" charges when 3G has the data always on. Verizon in Boston (which just rolled out their 3G CDMA pacakge) charges 30 bux a month for unlimited data use on top of your cell minutes when you use a 3G phone. It's rated at 144kbps but again it's really more like a 56k connection but that beats the pants off the 14.4 that acts like a 2400 buad connection. Okay so your not getting a full meg of data at a time but does it really matter with what's out there right now over wireless?

Does the phone have GPS included? There were rumors abound that GPS would be built in post 9/11 as well as the loads of GPS software that Palm's have. Rumor or really it be true?

And the most important sticky point the Cha-Ching $$$$. How much will it sell for in the US? The I300 debueted at 499 and sold out fast with it going for more than 650 on ebay the first week. It's down now to 399. If the phone is more than the magical 499 price I don't see a lot of people buying it as much as the I300 was then again who knows.

Existing i300 owner observations

Scott @ 2/28/2002 2:18:02 PM #
I own an i300. Here are my thoughts about what I'm seeing here. The biggest problems with the i300, IMO, are the lack of OS4 (due to web clipping improvements), lack of memory expansion, poor quality screen (very bright but severely lacks color saturation), inability to start a call using the speakerphone (and difficulty of turning on speakerphone once a call has started), lack of an SDK, as well as several small usability issues.

Most of what I'm seeing here looks like they haven't addressed most of these issues. So, I'm disappointed.


RE: Existing i300 owner observations - Battery Life?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2002 12:38:43 PM #
So what the heck is real world battery life like on one of these phones?

For me, that answer gives me immediate feedback on wether or not to even think this through any farther (which is why I still carry and love my m505).

RE: Existing i300 owner observations
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2002 12:47:16 PM #
With all these comments I absolutely concur... you have managed to capture, succinctly, the limitations we have experienced with the i300.

I'm hoping for at least a 4.0 OS to use the more contemporary WCAs, expandable memory storage, and USB connectivity.

RE: Existing i300 owner observations
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:25:07 AM #
scott and others, there are some 3rd party applications/hacks that have started to address the software shortcomings of the I300, inspite the lack of an SDK. Do a search for i300 on palmgear and you will come up with some i300 specific titles.

Facts about i330

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/1/2002 6:03:06 AM #

i330 is about improvements to the phone, not Palm.
Thus, the phone h/w and s/w have been upgraded
to cdma2000 for higher data rate. There is GPS
but that is part of the new, Enhanced 911 service,
probably. The bell ringer is much nicer than the
single tone beeper from i300.

RAM is up to 16 megs, because... why not? OS is
still 3.5.2, so no 16-bit colors, though the
LCD is much improved from i300's STN. The smartphone
is a bit lighter and thinner than i300, making
the feel in the hand great.

There's USB but its not true USB, since that would
require OS 4.0. No expansion, but well, you've got
16 megs so...

The CPU is Dragonball VZ at 33MHz, not the newer
66MHz version. Where will you see the 66MHz version?
Patience, my friends... i300 was a breakthrough
product, the i330 is somthing that you can really
use everyday, and the i-... I'll stop here.

* Innovate, or die! *



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