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RE: You can't forget...
Sadly, the S360 does not come with a cradle. I'm holding the box here in my lap and I assure you there is no cradle in it.
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RE: No Value there...
RE: You can't forget...
RE: You can't forget...
From what I remember, the registration is a two-step process, you submit your serial to Dataviz, and they issue a "response code" to unlock your handheld and Windows desktop. If the serial's been used before, you won't get a response code.
I could be talkin outta my ass though, I don't use docs to go anymore, but that's how I remember it.
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If you sing in french while hopping on one foot, the evil birds won't come out of your bathroom mirror.
RE: You can't forget...
About the other comments, I agree with those who condone selling registration codes for Docs To Go... If you buy the rights to the code, you should be able to sell them too. I didn't think there was even a problem with this until reading the above post. Is there a lawyer in the house?
RE: You can't forget...
RE: You can't forget...
Read the part of the review under the heading "Cables". In fact, you should probably read the entire review because I don't think you did before you posted this comment.
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RE: You can't forget...
RE: You can't forget...
More proof in the world that ignorance is NOT "bliss." However, it does appear that it IS rampant.
Question
-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-
RE: Question
Unfortunatley, it looks like the Visor Pro and Neo do not have this feature, as they are as slow as the Palms at 33 Mhz...
RE: Question
RE: Question
I run Quitbits and it certainly makes OS3.5.3 a lot snappier. But Benchmark 2.0 shows no speed difference at all.
Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
Clearance on m505
http://www.futureshop.ca, it's on the front page today. Otherwise, just click on computers, then handhelds
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RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
Still I think we are all passed this generation of devices and palmos5 will help create new devices that are worthy of our time. Almost here anyway!
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
i don't think you made a bad choice buying an edge. but why do you need to justify your choice by running down the m130?
cyruski!
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
You don't have to keep bashing better pdas to justify your Edge, probably if you wait 6 more months you can buy it for $50 (clearance).
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
As for Edge... Well, I'll toss it out in a heart beat for a T415... Which is what I'm getting... First of all, I seem to have a great tolerance for what other people consider as bad screen... I've been using Sony S300 for a while with that WriteRight (or whatever that's called) mono screen protector installed, and I still don't need to turn on the backlight most of the time (while in the review, the backlight was said to have been turned on almost everywhere)... The only down side for me with that T415 is the slower LCD reaction time, but I guess that what I'll have to live with when I want a high resolution PDA at a lower cost...
IMHO Visor Edge indeed have been named properly, if I remember correctly, there's a bit of sharp edge on the unit I've seen in stores. The Edge never seem to sell in great quantity, not even close to Palm's amazing sale of V/Vx series... Maybe they should have hired a good industiral design firm to design the unit for them...
RE: Check out the Handspring Edge with low price...
What About 415T
RE: What About 415T
Dstrauss, you are such a diplomat. I tried the T415, but got rid of it after 2 days. Take it from me, 320x320 does NOT make up for that screen.
RE: What About T415
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RE: What About 415T
If you have really tried T415 would you not notice that the Original poster said it had 16MB Ram ?? You didn't spot for the pretty obvious 16MB Ram error but you could see the "not a great screen" so called error
T415 sucks
So i decided to get the T615, and wow!, it's probably the best PDA I've had.
RE: What About 415T
RE: What About 415T
You should read the T615 review by Julie the Gadgeteer. She loves it too, and is considering dumping the iPaq for the T615 as her favorite handheld.
RE: What About 415T
Also I've decided NOT to use a screen protector in order to preseve the screen's clarity -- I've not yet noticed any scratches. For less than $200, I'll take the change that my screen prematurely degrades (if it does, I also have an extended warranty).
I've got a 65mb MS and already filled it up (a 128mb is on the agenda for next payday).
A new EB slipper case is on its way too!
This is a really NICE PDA, especially for the money.
Take Care All,
-Brette
RE: What About 415T
Strange
RE: Strange
You make a point there. Well, most of teh peoples were mainly complaining about the lack of hi-res on ANY Palm product, wether it's high-end or low-end.
RE: Strange
The price on the S360 is equal to
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RE: Strange
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he he You make a point there. Well, most of teh peoples were mainly complaining about the lack of hi-res on ANY Palm product, wether it's high-end or low-end.
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Because Palm always costs you more and give you less.
RE: Strange
Right you are, but the minute they do, they will be criticized for not innovating ;)
Seems odd though, that this RAM upgrade will still be deemed as innovative...
RE: Strange
RE: Strange
RE: Strange
Sony's apologists have told us a thousand times that 320x320, MP3, etc are absolute must haves, that life isn't worth living without them, that Palm ought to be liquidated because they produce basic models, that Carl ought to be shot ...
Yet the can-do-no-wrong Sony comes up with yet another basic model which does not have any of the doo-dads of the more expensive models. Why? Because this is what get more sales.
The point here is that Sony is contradicting its own guerilla marketers. Not even Sony believes what they have been trying to force down our throats about all those silly "features".
RE: Strange
The silly feature you talking about will be standard in OS 5 I really don't know what you are trying to say, except trying to show people your Debating skills and want to start yet another flame war here.
Fot Sony it's about choice, They got the Ultra Fancy high end and the Ultra not facy low end, it's up to you to chooce no one is trying force anything down your throat.
RE: Strange
You are right, and this has got me thinking about the double standards.
Palm comes out with a bright clear screen, and gets bashed because it's 160x160.
Sony comes out with a darker than average 160x160 screen and gets defended. For other Sony models, the toothpick stylus, mediocre video playback, spongy screen, and awful buttons also get defended.
Wazzup?
RE: Strange
RE: Strange
RE: Strange
>You are right, and this has got me thinking about the double standards.
>Palm comes out with a bright clear screen, and gets bashed because it's 160x160.
>Sony comes out with a darker than average 160x160 screen and gets defended. For other Sony models, the toothpick stylus, mediocre video playback, spongy screen, and awful buttons also get defended.
>Wazzup?
I dont know about the rest but Palm's bright 160X160 screen gets bashed because it happens to be its flagship unit. The m515 should have been what Palm put out the first time instead of the m505. At $400 you expect more.
As for Sony's "darker then average 160X160 screen" it happens to be its entry level unit. It also happens to be $150. At that price, you wont find anything better. Thats why it gets defended.
However I do agree that the stylus is too thin, but i have always thought styli are too thin no matter what unit they belong to. Many PDA aficionados dont even use the stock stylus anymore, prefering a duo pen. Those feel more natural and improves graffiti recognition tremendously.
The spongy scree, some say that it actually improves recognition.
Video playback with the gMovie player is pretty lousy but with other video players its noticably better. But not many people view clips.
The buttons are lousy, if you use your PDA to play PacMan or Zap. But not many people do. Besides, PDA's werent made for extensive game play. That is not what i bought a PDA and i am perfectly happy with GBA for that purpose.
Lastly i love the m500 series and i am thinking about getting the m515.
RE: Strange
RE: Strange
>The T415 is another story. I have used them before, but today I spent a solid hour+ with one. It has no advantages over the S360.
I dont understand what you are saying? Do you mean the t415 is not worth the difference in price? You are right. Again it comes down to preference.
I have considered the T615 over the m515. As a matter of fact if i wasnt so particular about MP3 playback i probably would have sold my N760 and bought a T615. In terms of screen, IMHO it is far better then the m515 but if you consider battery consumption there is NO COLOR PDA better then Palm PDA's. Even with SONY's famous STAMINA lithium batteries, the T615 devours it. I would estimate against the m505 the T615 only gets about about 3 quarters or even half the time on a full charge. If you get a chance to pick up a copy of Palm's philosophy you will see that battery consumption is a higher priority then visual output. In that regard i can see why the m505 was not as "vibrant" as the n700 and n600 clie's. Sort of why Nintendo went with no backlight on their GBA. Visually it is dark even in a well lit room but you can get about 15 hours of continuous play on two double AA's. THATS 15 HOURS!! I agree that it might be all pointless if you dont see the screen but at least with the screen there are light alternatives. The logic with mobile electonics that it should not be dependent on being plugged into the wall or constant charging or battery replacement. In that regard i guess that is why the m505 and the GBA are still selling despite its lack of a bright screen.
Which brings me to the m515 and T615 debate. Although initially it may seem that the T615 is better, with all things considered its virtually even. I've just been quite disappointed with Palm Hardware as of late. They havent really put out anything new in over a year! In that same year Sony put out the S360, N760, T415, T615 and now the NR70 series. With OS5 coming, it may not make any sense to introduce a new series so they may be holding out. Unfortunately they may be losing consumer confidence and loyalty in the process. it looks like Palm finally got it right with the m515, however it might be a tad bit late.
RE: RE: Strange
Do you know for sure that the M515's battery lasts longer than the one in the T615? I know Ed's review showed the the M505's battery outlasted the T615, but it was hardly the most scientific of experiments. I'd also like to know what the battery life of the M515 is under normal usage. My T625 is great, and battery life is great. I've been playing SimCity a lot since I bought it so I can't actually say what the battery life is under 'normal' usage! Technically, Sony is ahead of Palm although if the M515 does have a significantly longer lasting battery, then that would have to be its main selling point. Can anyone confirm? Ed, can we have a review of the M515? Big ta,
Gordon from Edinburgh
RE: Strange
RE: RE: Strange
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Now about the battery life of the T615 and M515. I have lived with multiple M505's, with my wife and I having a matched set, and each of us having to return our originals due to defects. My own experience with 4 M505's regarding battery life was consistent with the non-official test results Ed mentioned in his review. The Sony website lists the battery life of the T615 as 12 days. I could not find a statement saying what Sony determines as "Normal", but most companies and users set this at about 30 minutes, which would be about 6 hours. The M505 did slightly better than this in my own experience and in the PIC listed test.
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I have had the M515 for about 2 weeks, and have been using AppUsage to track, well,.. application usage! This does not give an accurate report of the exact time because tracking does not record time spent while in the menus. This is not a big deal and probably only amounts to a few minutes lost. On the plus side, the program logs the time spent actually using each application.
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What I did was unplug my cradles from power, and just use the Palm as usual. It took over two hours of use (that's on-and-in-use time) for the M515 to finally drop off of the 100% mark. It took seven hours of use to drop below 50%, which is longer than the time listed by Sony to drain the T615 completely.
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Now, this is only one device, and it could be that I have one of those freak devices that just lasts longer than the typical M515. Scientific testing methods would require that the results be repeatable (within the margin of error) on multiple devices with the same specifications. Still, such a drastic difference would seem to indicate a marked improvement over the former M505, and also an advantage (in battery, anyway) over the T615.
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I agonized over the M515 and the T615 when deciding which to buy, with the intention of returning the M515 if I was disappointed. The battery life was a bonus and I was delighted to have a 144Mb device which could survive ANY workday and still have plenty of power left at the end of the day, even if that day involves my full-time job, my part-time job, and surfing the web for a couple of hours at night while the wife is on the phone;) If I had my way, I would get both,.. the M515 for business and games, and the T615 for the rest of the time. Now, if I could transplant either the resolution or the battery...
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Altema
3 years too late
Points given to this unit for its use of the industry standard memory stick, though.
RE: 3 years too late
Lucky you if you can.
RE: 3 years too late
But it's good to have a sense of humor :)
RE: 3 years too late
But I guess you like fewer choices. :P
RE: 3 years too late
Yes it does, you just have to enable these features by upgrading to OS 4.2!
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RE: 3 years too late
This is what the PEG300/320 should have been, only it's over a year late. Correcting the deficiencies of a previous product is not good enough. When will Sony innovate?
RE: 3 years too late
LOL! I love this comment! This is EXACTLY what the "Sony-istas" would be saying if this were a Palm product. But of course, it says "Sony" across the top, so we've all got to genuflect and kiss its ever-loving feet!
In all fairness, I think the S360 is a good unit, as was the S320. The S300? Well...P.O.S. Still, I think it's funny that people rush to the defense of this "evolutionary" unit when they slam Palm & Handspring mercilessly for their own evolutionary devices.
Offtopic Question Regarding This Site
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Sorry for posting an offtopic question, but is there a problem with automatic line spacing? I've been noticing it ever since you posted the article on the release of Sony's new CLIÉ.
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As you can see, I get around it by typing in those '.' at the beginning of the line. :) Just a minor nitpick. Thanks for your time.
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Jim
RE: Offtopic Question Regarding This Site
Quite unnerving.
I mean, I'm used to having spaces in between each sentence.
Just a stupid quirk of mine.
:P
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RE: Offtopic Question Regarding This Site
I could've sworn it was messed up! Maybe I should get out more.
Jim
correction
well the visor pro doesnt have an upgradable ROM.
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there is another one its way
So why buying this model when you know that a much more complete model is on its way?
RE: there is another one its way
Sony makes a very wide variety of Clie, there's alwyas choice, you could choose to get the low (S-series), mid(N-series), high (T-series), Fancy (N-series with mp3) or super fancy model (NR-series).
RE: there is another one its way
RE: there is another one its way
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3123
There is more about them here:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3134
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3com should be worried
RE: 3com should be worried
Low-end Product Attracts Low-end...
You should have kept the post up!
This is f*ckin hilarious. I wonder what else he thinks...
A s320 plus 8mb= excelento !!!!
Now for the same price you get + 8mb, a cradle and docs to go. EXCELENTOUU !!!!
Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
Regards,
John
RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
"Q: You put the JogDial on the left side. Didn't you give any consideration to left-handed users?
A: Of course we did, and designed the JogDial to be operated with either hand. It so happens that I am left-handed. I hold the stylus in my left hand, and operate the JogDial with the middle finger of my right hand. I don't think left-handed people will have any trouble getting used to the arrangement."
Gordon from Edinburgh
RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
RE: Sony PEG-S360 Jog Dial
www.CLIEsource.com
Broken display
It doesn't have any sense cause I paid US$ 150 for my Clie.
Where can I buy the display and how much would it cost?
On the other hand I was happy with my Clie.
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