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RE: Full Disclosure
When Ed formatted the review, I got to see it before it was posted. I saw the amazon link and could have objected -- but this is Ryan & Ed's site and they are not getting rich from it (who is on the Net?). If they want to include that link, I have no objection.
But it is as Ed stated: that PIC might have an affiliate link to the book on amazon had no influence on my review. I asked them if I could review it, asked Wiley to provide a reviewer's copy, read it, wrote the review (all in Graffiti, for those who like such trivia! -- with the excerpts OCRed by the QizCom Tech QuickLink Pen -- there's *my* plug!), got permission from Wiley for the extensive excerpts, and now it's posted.
If the formatting of this message is funky, it's because I'm at
the NYPL and the branch I'm at is using that piece of crap,
Netscape, which does not handle the Net well at all. (Far be
it from me to tout MS, but MSIE is the superior browser.)
RE: Full Disclosure
Great...
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Copyright
Copyright © 2002 by JBH.
All Rights Reserved.
Exclusive to Palm Infocenter.
I respect rights of reproduction as much as the next guy, but does everything Mike Cane writes here really need to be copyrighted? Whatever.
JBH
RE: Copyright
All Rights Reserved.
Exclusive to Palm Infocenter.
I think we should all retain copyright © privleges to our postings. I hear Ed wants to rip us off and publish them all in his new compendium, "Wisdom From the Palm Infocenter Message Boards."
RE: Copyright
All Rights Reserved.
Exclusive to Palm Infocenter.
Hey, Ed can do whatever he wants to do with my thoughts. Ed is cool.
JBH
(JBH is not affiliated with or endorsed by Ed in any way. Any use of the word "Ed" is for discussion purposes and is a registered trademark of Ed.)
RE: Copyright
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RE: Copyright
No, it's hubris.
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RE: Copyright
JBH = Just Brainless and Hairy?
Kind of fitting...
RE: Kind of Fitting
An example of the kind of inside info that this book provides is the story behind the famous Taxi Easter Egg, which was created on the day that Palm decided that their first device would be called the Palm Taxi. The name had to change for trademark issues, but the taxi easter egg remains.
eBook
I never purchased an eBook from Peanut Press before, but I thought they would be a LOT cheaper than the actual printed book.
Looks like Amazon wins my money. Glad to "donate" some to PIC too! :)
RE: Kind of fitting...
My preference is towards the ebook, regardless of price, because of the convenience of not carrying around the "bulky" book along with my PDA.
There's pros and cons of both.
RE: Kind of fitting...
"Punch in this week's Promo Code GENIUS to receive a 10% discount off each eBook that you purchase."
Thanks for the review. I am in the process of reading this on my m515.
Mike
Missing Content in the eBook
For those that would argue about file size getting too large with photos, remember that eBooks can now be stored on SD/MMC/MemorySticks, and they could always make two versions of the eBook available: one with full content, and one without.
It might be a minor item, but for a price that's identical to the hardcover, I'd at least expect the same content to be in both editions. For what it's worth, the eBook makes the following statement on "page" 6, "This title is also available in print as ISBN 0-471-08965-6. Some content that appears in the print edition of this book may not be available in this electronic edition."
Too bad you don't find that out until *after* you've purchased the eBook...
RE: Missing Content in the eBook
RE: eBook
Don't forget that there are publishing costs, even for an ebook: it has to be reformated in the appropriate PDA formats.
RE: Missing Content in the eBook
"The decision on including pictures in the eBook version is made by the publisher. Some of the books that we sell include all of the pictures that were included in the print version, but other publishers choose not to include pictures or artwork. In some cases the publisher may not even have the rights to distribute electronic versions of the pictures. We always encourage publishers to include as many pictures as possible, and we have made it as easy as
possible for them to do so. In the future we expect more publishers to take advantage of this feature."
RE: Kind of fitting...
Can I use other ebook reader such as iSilo or CSpotRun?
I can't change the font size in Palm Reader, and the font is too small, I can't read at all.
RE: Kind of fitting...
Palm Reader Pro also allows you to use custom fonts, apparently.
RE: Kind of fitting...
If ebooks were half the price of a paperback then they'd be good value for the money, but until then they're playthings for people with too much money to spend in the first place.
The publishing industry needs follow the recording industry in getting their heads out of their asses and start producing something of value for money instead of simply looking at ways of making money for money's sake. And these people wonder why piracy is "rampant" in their industry. 8-(
interesting questions
- Why there's no Flash ROM in Visors
- The successes and failures of Springboard licensees
- How and why Sony chose PalmOS
- The machinations of the purchase of Be Inc's assets
- Who invested $50 million in Palm and why
ok can someone answer these questions so I can save some money buying the book ?
RE: interesting questions
I like my Palm!
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RTA
"Items that are not covered but which cry out for elaboration include: "
... everything you asked.
ITANCBWCOFEI
honestly your RTA comment is very annoying. you could choose to shut up if you don't feel like replying.
RE: RTA
RTQ / RTP
RTQ = Read the Question
RTP = Read the Post
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RE: interesting questions
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Not a bad review...
I think the i705 is pretty cool looking.
But then again, this is a REVIEW, so you have to take the opinions expressed in it with a grain of salt.
RE: Not a bad review...
Perceived by YOU maybe. Not by a majority of handheld buyers.
RE: Not a bad review...
--Charlie
RE: i705 story
- Getting sued by Lucas for codenaming it "Skywalker".
- Not renaming it to "i700" because the manual had already been printed before management figured out that people might associate "05" with color.
- Yankowski creating a company wide mandate to get it out on time after firing 1/4 of the company ( it ended up shipping 3 months later than his deadline -- 8 months later than orignal target date ).
- Delaying the release of the product past Christmas ( a consumer holiday ) because because it didn't do enterprise ( non-consumer related ) email as well as the competetors (?).
- Yankowski offending the design team by yelling at them ( not firing them, mind you ).
This story needs to be told!
RE: Not a bad review...
Admit it,Palm zealot, SONY is the winner already.
Listen to an interview with David Pogue here ...
http://www.toddshow.org/ram/tmshow0321.ram
Scott
RE: Listen to an interview with David Pogue here ...
RE: Listen to an interview with David Pogue here ...
What did Yankowski wear?
RE: What did Yankowski wear?
(Thanks to earlier posters for answering the question I had
about whether the electronic editions contained the photos
or not. The photos add a lot to the book. Too bad they're
not in the digital editions.)
RE: What did Yankowski wear?
RE: What did Yankowski wear?
Loved the book, amazed by Jeff and Donna, hated 3COM and Yanker. Now I can't look at my ageing IIIX without wanting to scratch off the 3COM logo. Those Sony NR's can't get here soon enough!
SonyInfoCenter
PITA PITA, ow, it hurts.
RE: SonyInfoCenter
No PIC didn't turn this story into a Sony story, but it's a fact that Sony was mentioned in the book.
RE: SonyInfoCenter
what are you talking about?
your obsession against Sony is killing you.
Ha ha poor idiot
RE: SonyInfoCenter
lol, Palm zealots's automatic defense system is ON again.
RE: SonyInfoCenter
Let's just be grateful they inspired the OS we've all come to love! :)
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Not from Amazon
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RE: Not from Amazon
RE: Not from Amazon
"circuit court of appeals has overturned Amazon.com's preliminary injunction against Barnes & Noble, stating that Amazon.com's patent is likely to be found too obvious to deserve legal protection"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N68D2139
They were one of the Online risktakers (going totally virtual) and now that others are ready to play online they want Amazon to hand over the one-click buy patent for free so they can use it.
"We aren't going after those developers. There are lots of people using 1-click purchasing on their sites whom we aren't suing. We're just going after the big guys who are going after us, the guys who are not innovating themselves but just copying us and working to crush us. "
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N1AD2139
Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com
RE: Not from Amazon
And, it's a Union shop, too! How many online bookstores do you know who pay a family wage?
Palm's Dark Ages
Whether you take what Andrea says as verbatim or not, it is probably a story that will come out closest to the truth for most of us here. The emotions shown by readers here are amazing with two distinctive wars going on: Palm vs Sony; Palm vs PPC.
I "used" to love Palm (the hardware); and despite some cool tricks on the PPC I still love the Palm software. I just got really frustrated with their hardware. Really, after the Palm V I cannot see what innovation, reliablity nor value has Palm brought into the hardware space with their offerings. They didn't do well for cultivating that relationship thing either when they were going after their supporters at one time insisting that websites like this remove the "Palm" name from their sites!
So, some truths have come out and of course, Yankowski not only damaged the morality of its employees, the Palm brandname and company but also very nearly its customers. In that period, Sony has taken up the mantle for the Palm OS and whether you like them or not, marketshare or no marketshare they carried the torch for Palm when Palm was trying to find their lightswitch.
I am waiting for Palm to come out of its dark ages and though they have done quite well financially, I am waiting to see if they can take back the leadership role when it comes to innovation. And until that time comes, readers, Sony deserves the respect here.
RE: Palm's Dark Ages
- pg
RE: Palm's Dark Ages
What an incompetent has-been!
RE: Palm's Dark Ages
"Palm" in their names. Add that to the list of things that
aren't covered in the book. That alone was a huge PR mess
for Palm.
Thanks for reminding everyone.
Great great book
-Jeff
Overly Hawkins-friendly?
Scott
RE: Overly Hawkins-friendly?
I think he got brain washed by some evil force, or maybe he's not that brilliant to start with.
Springboards rock
It appears that the mono Treo is their "test market". If the keyboard version significantly outsells the graffiti one, it would be pretty clear which one they should target. Having one version of a model instead of two would no doubt lower their production costs.
Of course, if they both appear to be equally popular I'm sure we'll see a keyboard and graffiti version of the color Treo.
RE: Overly Hawkins-friendly?
the Treo is actually covered in the book.
Virtual Graffiti
RE: Whatever :(
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