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The company intends to licence its technology to manufacturers who will create salable products, not create them itself. At this stage, the company isn't releasing any information on who it is in negotiations with.
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RE: VERY cool, but...
(Now I'm wondering how many "hunt and peck"ers are on here.)
RE: VERY cool, but...
And tactile feedback is quite important...
RE: VERY cool, but...
RE: VERY cool, but...
RE: VERY cool, but...
Next release.
RE: VERY cool, but...
Next release.
LOL! I'm a cyberpunk and I salute you greatly. Definitely among the best posts I've read so far.
RE: VERY cool, but...
How about tones that would vary depending on which row of the keyboard you were pressing, and perhaps a set of tones that would let you know your index fingers were on the right spot?
Also since the keyboard is software controlled, you should be given the ability to customize the keyboard...set up function keys all over the place...reorganize the ctrl & alt keys...switch from qwerty to dvorak...etc.
RE: VERY cool, but...
RE: VERY cool, but...
think it through
Graffiti replacement!
Xerox who?
RE: Graffiti replacement!
RE: Graffiti replacement!
Bluetooth solves this problem!
I think Bluetooth enabled keyboards will kill this idea. Think of all the advantages of a bluetooth keyboard. No line-of-sight necessary with the pda, the pda can be anywhere within 30 feet and the keyboard can be placed anywhere such as on a lap, on a desk at school, anywhere.
I really think this will be one of the best uses of bluetooth. Any opinions on my thoughts are welcome.
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
And how could you see the PDA screen if you didn't have a direct line of sight to it?
Maybe a BT KB isn't all that.
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
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RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
Moreover, another advantage this has over a Stowaway type of keyboard is that you may not have to carry anything, judging by the image that suggests the keyboard projector/receiver is built in.
What? You may not have to carry anything? What about the projector itself?
This cannot replace the stowaway at all.
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
Once they get over the flat surface hurdle, it may even be possible to hold the PDA in your hand and project a "half keyboard" or some other form of input on your forearm.
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
The picture doesn't show the projector built into the PDA and i dont think anyone is suggesting it be built into one (or that such a device is under development - though you never know). This wouldnt really make sense because it would limit yr ability to position the PDA for maximum viewability while typing.
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
RE: Bluetooth solves this problem!
And it is the best for mobile using think about traveling without a LAPTOP!!!! wow no heavy stuff anymore!
Shadows...
RE: Shadows...
Yes. It both projects an image of the keyboard and detects where your fingers are.
RE: Shadows...
RE: Shadows...
Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
: Procurement Logistics Services at CeBIT.
Hopefully, they won't demonstrate what's in the above pic. Is it just me or does anyone else find it a bit unnerving to see an image of a driver playing around with his Palm/Virtual Keyboard while driving in the MIDDLE of the double yellow lines, when he should be on the right (or left depending on which country you're from)?
I know it's only for illustrative purposes, but you would think the marketing department would at least try not to display potentially hazardous scenarios.
Jim
RE: Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
I really think this could be a great application for desktop computers as well.
I could see someone who didn't want to give up the desk space getting a flat screen monitor and using a virtual keyboard and mouse.
For the not heavy computer user, or in high traffic areas (like a kitchen), this could be a great solution.
RE: Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
OK, enough about the picture. Let's talk about the keyboard. I checked the website and they also say this would be good for sterile labs. I can see keyboards being a problem there.
RE: Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
You need to look CLOSER!
"Dear Hospital: I'm typing this onto my wireless email enabled Palm V via a virtual keyboard while driving down this rural 2 lane highway. I'm certain that I will soon be involved in a horrible head-on collision. Please send an ambulance and, if possible, a helicopter to the GPS coordinates at the end of this transmission. - A soon-to-be customer"
RE: Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
RE: Hoping for 'safe' demonstrations
Projected Display
how about a display!
RE: Projected Display
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2994
Can't Get Too Excited Until I Know More
>> technological hurdles... including minimizing the
>> power consumption and component size.
Sure it has. That just means that instead of it draining your Palm's battery in one hour, it takes 1.5.
Of course, that's assuming that it can even be integrated into a Palm device without adding huge amounts of extra bulk. The pictures are all mockups. The freestanding projector looks feasible and even desirable as a consumer product, but I think we're a long way from integrating it into a handheld itself without ruining form factor and battery life.
RE: Can't Get Too Excited Until I Know More
RE: Can't Get Too Excited Until I Know More
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020319/168/19xte.html
It was exhibited at cebit.
RE: Can't Get Too Excited Until I Know More
How about Power
RE: How about Power
RE: Another product approach
There could be more to that. Signing, like for the deaf, could be implemented in this, and would make a radically fast typing method... steep learning curve though.
Just plain stupid
imho
RE: Very Cool but ...
I agree, at this point, this is just vaporware and hype for venture capital. Can anyone tell me what existing technology could be cobbled together to do something like this?
Seems superfluous...
I don't look at the keyboard when I type anymore. The keyboard gives tactile feedback, which I like, but I'd be willing to change. My point is... why have the image of the keyboard displayed at all? Why not just a couple dots for the upper-left and upper-right corners of the keyboard? Can it be made to work without das blinken lights?
It will never catch on.
RE: It will never catch on.
For once in your life stop thinking that everyone is like you!
I for one would love to have this type of keyboard. The possibilities are endless. I could easily get used to forgetting the tactile feedback.After all, we got used to grafiti, people are getting used to thumb-pads or thumb-boards, some laptops have keyboards that have very little tactile feedback, even for homr PC's there are plenty of different 'flavors' of keyboards available AND THEY ARE BEING SOLD!!!
Imagine sitting on a plane besides someone with a keyboard that makes noise while you are trying to sleep! How much would you love for him/her to have a keyboard that is QUIET.
This is technology, if you don't like it, don't read or make comments that it will never catch one and don't ever consider about buying it. Do you really care what people think when you say that it doesn't catch on (or will not)?
Personally, I think thumbboards are useless (FOR ME) but do I think they do not catch on ? Fat chance. PDA's at $500 ? Who said an electronic device to keep your phone book at $500 would never catch on when the PDA's first came out? PLENTY of people.
Bluetooth: Lots of people are saying (or have been saying) the same thing: that it will not catch on. I for one think it will not be beneficial for me, but I could imagine plenty of people finding a good use for it.
My point is: Let technology thrive and for a change, don't be so damn negative all the time when something isn't developed that just suits you!
RE: It will never catch on.
> keyboard that makes noise while you are trying to
> sleep! How much would you love for him/her to have a
> keyboard that is QUITE.
No more tapping of laptop keyboards. All we'll hear are the sounds of drumming fingers on the pull-down tray, instead, like that annoying kid who sat next to you all the time in grade school. ;)
All kidding aside, I think you're right. I agree with what you said about thinking outside the box and always striving to find new ways of making our lives more convenient; even at the risk of failure.
With that said, I'm anxious to see how well this idea will be received (and if so, how soon it will be brought to the masses.)
Jim
RE: It will never catch on.
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hehe, well, if you think about it, this will likely NOT happen. Have you tapped on a table top long enough while making a loud enough sound that could get annoying ? That actually can start hurting your fingers if you have to tap loud enough. Unless of course you have long fingernails, now that is another story...
I really think the way one would type with this device would change over time since 1) no more sounds are heard anyway and 2) it hurts the fingers if tapped too hard, LOL.
In all seriousness, try tapping for a while on a table-top, doing some imaginary typing. I really think this is a great idea and I for one would be in the market for it.
At the same time, I can understand if some people just couldn't work with it properly, or better said: adjust to the change. This seems to be problem much wider spread than just this keyboard issue ;)
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Nothing new.....Played DDR in Japan before?
In Japan the last version used virtual sensors to detect gamers' steps which is essentially the same thing. It has been reduced in size but I think it is the same technology.
RE: Nothing new.....Played DDR in Japan before?
The game was horrible. The sensors didn't respond properly to my movements, and I found that I had to GREATLY exaggerate every move I made so that it registered properly.
I get the feeling that this virtual keyboard will probably be the same way. You'll really have to make sure that your fingers move high up before coming back down to strike the surface, otherwise your movements may be too subtle.
Without a real physical sensor, the technology is probably still to far behind.
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RE: Nothing new.....Played DDR in Japan before?
great for fighting games or so i heard.
it too was based technology like that.
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Virtuality makes it "non-touch-typeable"
PDA lover
Virtuality makes it "non-touch-typeable"
RE: Virtuality makes it
Myself as a touch-typing person still needs my fingers to rest on the keyboard but not press down until they need to.
Imagine all 10 fingers hanging in the air and has no place to rest or has nowhere to feel where the real keyboard is.
RE: Virtuality makes it
I could see the 'Star Trek' style of touch screens becoming more widespread though (already happening).
Anyone ever see Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?
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RE: Anyone ever see Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?
CHECK PLEASE.
RE: Anyone ever see Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?
Final Fantasy was neat, but despite the incredible CGI, it had some of the confusing elements of some of the more philosophically-oriented traditional cel anime, and somehow that just made the flawlessness of the imagery odd. It was strange.
Whatever the input method, feedback (tactile, auditory, or otherwise) makes it more effective. It may be possible to learn the manual dexterity necessary to type with such a thing, but there will always be those that will prefer no learning curve beyond learning to touch-type in the first place.
Since I haven't that much manual dexterity to begin with, I'll probably end up being one of them. :)
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WHEW!
I'm also glad that they did not invent the PDA since lots of people were used to paper organizers.
What about the eyes?
RE: What about the eyes?
RE: What about the eyes?
and of course practice using this kind of method would improve speed beyond what's capable in even a dvorak keyboard.
i think we need to transcend the 10-finger box and start thinking in radically different ways. of course humans always have a problem with that.
RE: What about the eyes?
RE: What about the eyes?
>allows you to look at a (possibly virtual)
>representation of a keyboard
You can get a Canon camera which 'reads' where you focus your eye, and then takes the picture. It works. Used in a keyboard-world, one problem could be the speed at which you can type your text. Imagine you are going to type 'Apocalypse': close one eye, and do it on your own keyboard, letter by letter, 10 times. I've got a headache allready..
I think some sort of adaptive wordbook, but slightly more intelligent than in Nokia and Siemens cellphones, could be a part of a solution.
This should be combined with a keyboard technology different from the current qwerty-standard. About 10 years ago, a keyboard with 5 contact points was invented. Bit-wise, the number of combinations available is 31 - but additional, "button1 + button2" would be different from "button2 + button1". This could be illustrated on your own keyboard: "Shift-Alt-A" is currently the same as "Alt-Shift-A" - but it doesnt have to be. Resarch have proven that a 'combination'-keyboard is pretty easy to get used to.
So, I would like to see these two technologies combined. The wordbook should give suggestions as you type, 'know' which words you usually use after a punctation, and that "a wish had I Palm I" is not gramatically correct.
I love the future :)
RE: What about the eyes?
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VERY cool, but...
Aside from that, this has a HUGE "cool factor"!!!!!