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The same source who earlier had info about Sony's NR70 in Best Buy's inventory system now has some on the NR70V, which is the version with the built-in camera. The system says the NR70V will cost $600 with SKU 4586861. Both NR series models have an in stock date of May 12.

The NR70 has been available in Japan for several days and reviews of it are appearing online. Muchy's Palmware Review has one. It is in Japanese, of course, but it includes lots of pictures.

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Will wait longer

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:25:24 AM #
My friend has one and it's bulky. I will pass this and wait for PalmOS 5.

RE: Will wait longer
Drummer4Life05 @ 3/26/2002 2:35:00 PM #
I agree...Palm OS 5 will be MUCH better.

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Justin - www.JTSoft2001.com

RE: Will wait longer
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/2/2002 10:50:53 PM #
No it won't, it will be the same battery hogging monster with the prototype design that everyone will help debug for free like the Palm m505, The Last REAL PDA made was the Palm Vx, it is all downhill from there.
The Palm Vx is still the best PDA ever made by any company including Palm.

Let me be the first to say, "HOT DAMN!"

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:25:50 AM #
Here they come! But sell your firstborn to get it...

Yeouch!

Even Homer says "DOH"! (_8(|)

Wow

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:41:33 AM #
Really great to heard this news. But it's reaaly price at $ 600. First I heard is about $460.


RE: Wow
Ed @ 3/26/2002 12:05:11 PM #
$465 is the conversion of its cost in Japan, 59,800 Yen. It was never very likely that Sony would charge the same thing in both countries.

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RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:28:56 PM #
Too Pricey!

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:28:56 PM #
At $600, who in their right mind would pay this much for something that will be outdated in 6 months (or 3 months by Sony's product cycle)? As much as I like it, I'll pass on this one and wait for the OS5/ARM processor version in 3-6 months.

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:49:04 PM #
I think Sony has put out a neat, innovative product with the NR series. (No, not necessarily the best PDA out there, but certainly approaching a product that many people have been looking for) Since the first article about the NR series was published, I have been saying 'I'm going to get this when it's released in the US.' BUT, at a 30% premium over Japan?! I don't think so. I really thought Sony was going to sweep the US market with this product, but not at this price point. I think the NR series will enjoy a very limited success in the US until the price comes down.

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:23:12 PM #
I think the camera has very low resolution compared to the PalmPix for the 500 series. I would like to see one model with 320 x 480 but without the keyboard which makes the PDA bulkier. I am comfortable with Graffiti and the same model as the NR70 without keyboard and camera will be attractive to many.

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:51:35 PM #
I would be willing to pay $400 for the NR70, and $500 for the NR70V. Not a penny more.

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:57:44 PM #
"I would be willing to pay $400 for the NR70, and $500 for the NR70V. Not a penny more."

You may have to wait till the next new model is out before Sony drops the price. Period.

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 4:20:21 AM #
Agreed that if they charge more than 500 there will be no market for it.

Take Note, Sony!

RE: Wow
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 9:27:18 AM #
<< You may have to wait till the next new model is out before Sony drops the price. Period. >>

However, Sony might not drop the price significantly before the next model -- perhaps a $50 drop, which is their pattern. Then they'll discontinue it for the next generation at the old price point, or higher.

Wow! Slightly larger than the T615!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:41:36 AM #
Actually is thinner than the 760!
I think the pictures always show it opened so it appears bigger than it really is.


RE: Wow! Slightly larger than the T615!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 2:38:46 PM #
It'll fit into my pants....

RE: Wow! Slightly larger than the T615!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 9:36:43 PM #
you are right! I am having one on hand..i don think it is bulky, just similiar feeling on my N760 b4...
It is COOL!

If Canadians were to purchase

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:46:13 AM #
Based on the $600 price mark - this unit with the camera would cost more than the highest end ipaq (I am a clie user)here in Canada.

Doing a basic conversion, this unit ordered rom the US would cost me over $1100 with taxes plus shipping - whereas the ipaq is just over $1000 with taxes.

Ouch - I got my 615c from the US at a price cheaper than the M515 that is avaiable in Canada. I just can't see this unit being that big of seller at that price.

hopefully its an error.

More importantly...Any word on the Bluetooth stick n Best Buy's system?

RE: If Canadians were to purchase
Snubolis @ 3/26/2002 12:37:27 PM #
If you're wondering about Bluetooth stick prices in Canada, check Futureshop's webstore. It's listed there for $250cdn.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z6E12469


Snubolis
Vancouver, Canada

RE: If Canadians were to purchase
Ed @ 3/26/2002 12:43:32 PM #
Snubolis, thanks for the tip but please use MakeAShorterLink next time rather than post an extremely long URL. Thanks!

Also, that isn't the Bluetooth Memory Stick. That is Palm's Bluetooth SD card. Close, but not the same thing.

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RE: If Canadians were to purchase
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:48:09 PM #
This is the price of the SD Bluetooth module. I certainly hope that I can order the MS bluetooth stick from the US - as I did with my 128mb MS - and save $50 or more bucks.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

RE: If Canadians were to purchase
big_raji @ 3/26/2002 1:04:08 PM #
Well, looking at my wholesaler's website, the Palm SD Bluetooth card has a wholesale price of $180CDN.

With Future Shop selling it at $250CDN, you can bet that the price will drop very soon. It's at a premium right now because it's only been a few days. Give it a few weeks, and it'll get closer to the wholesale price.

Ingram Micro is the wholesaler I'm talking about, and Future Shop actually orders alot from them, so I'd be willing to bet that this is their exact cost.

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RE: If Canadians were to purchase
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:11:20 PM #
If I still owned my M505 - I would go to ecost.com go add a SD bluetooth to my shopping cart, go to thier canadian checkout, print out the page that indicates a price of $197.00 canadian and then go to staples or futureshop and try and ge the price match. I am not certain if it has to be a canadian retailer or just canadian funds, but it is worth a try.

Even if they won't price match the price from the futureshop including ontario taxes would work out to about $322 (not worth the price). The price ordering from ecost including all ontario taxes, borderfree handling charges and a crazy $31.00 shipping cost (this must be wrong, but thats what is says), still it comes out to only $273 - about $50 less than buying it here. You would have to wait for about a week.

I bought my 615c from then during a free shipping special - keep your eyes open for that - this would make the SD BT card $80 less.

RE: If Canadians were to purchase
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 9:38:24 PM #
Go to HK to buy...less than $3000

finer pics

Haj @ 3/26/2002 11:54:34 AM #
ZDnet Japan's also putting a series of review (#2 yet as of today) and there are a couple of detailed pics which some people may have been wondering about (like hinge part)

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/22/n_fclienr2.html
http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/22/n_fclienr2_2.html
http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/22/n_fclienr2_3.html

and a movie
Haj @ 3/26/2002 12:50:54 PM #
This was on ZDnet Japan on 3/12 so it's nothing new but for people who haven't seen it yet.

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/12/panel.mov

(the above link is originally in the article:
http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0203/12/n_fmclie.html )

English NR70 Review
Ed @ 3/26/2002 1:05:03 PM #
Here's an NR70 review, in English, from SPUG.org

www.spug.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24886

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RE: finer pics
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:17:46 PM #
Damn, they are fast ...again

RE: finer pics
Haj @ 3/26/2002 1:29:08 PM #
eh, FYI... I forgot to say there are about other four movies in the above ZDnet Japan link (camera, virtual graffity and so on). So if you want to check them out. I guess it's probably already mentioned in somewhere two weeks ago, though.

RE: finer pics
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:45:49 PM #
"Here's an NR70 review, in English, from SPUG.org
www.spug.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24886"

Dave is a Japanese and a moderator in SPUG. The unit he has was purchased in Japan.

You can see that most of the news appeared in PIC, will sure to appear in SPUG website (www.spug.org) the next day.

Big english review already out here
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 2:54:29 AM #
http://www.spug.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24886

SPUG already has an English review here with tons of pics. Battery life is as bad as expected, and hmm.. new virtual graffiti problem, doesnt look promising for a 500 bucks item.

No more Sonys for me.

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:09:38 PM #
The NR70 may be sort of cool - albeit expensive - but as I discovered Sony's customer service is REALLY BAD. There is no interest in solving your problem, only in toeing the company line. I could hear the condescending sneer in the voice of not one, but three different support reps when I asked about the MemoryStick GPS (and other accessories). The first two tried to tell me "we don't have one" and after I corrected them "well, that's not here, isn't it?"

I hate arrogant companies, and based on my recent experiences Sony is right up there with Enron and Microsoft.

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:22:56 PM #
What would you rather have? Better product with poorer customer service or Poorer product with better customer service?

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:37:54 PM #
Palm, Inc. is much worse. Trust me.

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:41:13 PM #
I'm the initial poster for "no more Sonys." Bad experience with Palm customer service? Sorry to hear that. They've been fantastic with me on several occasions - I have not a gripe, even in a situation where I was technically out of warranty.

And to answer the other question, after what I experienced with Sony, I'd actually rather have lesser product if there was a corresponding interest in what the customer needed. I found out the hard way that as far as Sony is concerned, if they don't have it you don't need it.

RE: No more Sonys for me.
nategall @ 3/26/2002 12:42:38 PM #
As long as the product does not need the customer service, I am okay with crappy customer service, now show me a product that is perfect. :)

I have an M505, and I was actually thinking of the NR-v as an update for my system. I love the larger screen, I don't like the size, I love the Camera. But, at that price... hmmm, I am going to have to think a bit more on it. At $475.00 I was a go... but..

I still think it is a great item, even though most (some) people will find it to expensive/large/etc. it is beautiful to have something like this available for me.

Thanks Sony!

nategall says "blah!"

RE: No more Sonys for me.
jjsoh @ 3/26/2002 12:55:52 PM #
> Palm, Inc. is much worse. Trust me.

Why should anyone trust you? Who are you and what do you know that everyone else doesn't?


Jim

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 12:57:46 PM #
How about a decent product with decent customer service...

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:05:46 PM #
> What would you rather have? Better product with poorer customer service or Poorer product with better customer service?

Exactly !!

I don't want to spend $400 on something with poor quality (SUDS,Backlight-bug,low-res,dust screen,dead pixel,etc...) even their customer is PERFECT. LOL, no wonder they have GOOD customer service ..

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:06:05 PM #
<< Palm, Inc. is much worse. Trust me. >>

Yeah, THERE'S a compelling argument: "Trust me."

Sorry if you had a bad experience with Palm, but you really need to learn how to SUPPORT your positions. You come across like an idiot with comments like this.

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:30:57 PM #
"Sorry if you had a bad experience with Palm, but you really need to learn how to SUPPORT your positions. You come across like an idiot with comments like this."

Exactly , Palm Inc. has been voted 10 times in a role as the best customer support ever on the face of this earth, just look at the situation of the M50x Series sync problem, they exchange any dead unit as many times as you wish, as long as you don't ask for a money back. Once your unit is dead on Monday, cll them up on Tuesday, they'll send you a refurbished unit on Wednesday, then when it's dead on thursday, call them up on Friday, they might send you yet another refurbished one on Saturday or monday.

Yes that's what we called State of the Art Tech Support system, 24/7 support !! Althought Palm Inc. makes crappy product, but I gauranttee you that you'll have alot of fun with the tech support people.

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:43:37 PM #
You better watch out that the SUDS doesn't come visit you!

RE: No more Sonys for me.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:46:11 PM #
"but I gauranttee you that you'll have alot of fun with the tech support people."

The problem is: I just don't want to have fun with the tech support people; I want to have fun with my PDA!

RE: No more Sonys for me.
eboychik @ 3/26/2002 1:52:44 PM #
Handspring now charges for tech support calls. Anyone know if they guarantee that they'll solve the problem or your call is free?

On any given day, different users will call different companies' tech support with different problems and get different tech people with different skills and knowledge and attitudes. Where's the double blind test that would "prove" something? 100 people call Palm and 100 people call Sony and say they can't sync their T615/M515 on Palm Desktop 4.0.1 and EVEN THEN, if you get a fix, do you measure how long it took, manners of the tech, knowledge, care, nice phone voice or God knows what else? Isn't a long, rude, fix better than a short polite, "can't help you"?
I've had both great and lousy tech support people at EVERY company I've ever called. So what? No one can legitimately or fairly generalize.

I don't know what "vote" ("ten years in a role [sic]") the earlier poster was talking about, but I never got my ballot - did any of you?
Once again, this is just stupid sniping. If it costs more than you'd like to pay, don't buy the damn thing. I'd like a Maserati, but I'll have to make do with my Nissan (and don't ask about THEIR customer support).

Palm has a perfect customer support and Sony has none
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 2:29:20 PM #
Got replaced all of my broken Palms within a day. Just finally get a box to send my defective Sony (the claim was made on DECEMBER 25 2001!!!)
Ironically using Sony (better product - no support versa Palm worse product - great support).

Who gives a ****?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 2:59:11 PM #
OK, let's see - I got my box from Sony in one day but I emailed Palm for technical support and never got any reply whatsoever. What does that mean - that now we're TIED? It'll be easier to make peace in the Middle East than between the babies who want to argue about which company is better. How about this: Your device is better for you and mine is better for me.

Super-niche....

sandbuck @ 3/26/2002 12:55:32 PM #
I think Sony's N- and T-series devices are right on point. But at $600, the NR w/ camera is destined to be a very low-volume boutique item.

RE: Super-niche....
big_raji @ 3/26/2002 1:06:49 PM #
The T-Series isn't going anywhere. It replaced the non-mp3 N-Series.

The S-Series is also here to stay.

The N-Series (w/mp3) is being phased out, being replaced by the NR-Series. Why is this a problem? No real needs have been abandoned.

You want strictly professional budget Clies, get the S-Series. Still the same.

You want sleeker, hi-res, professional Clies, get the T-Series. Used to be the n6XX...

You want a toy, you get the NR-Series. Used to be the n7XX... Yes, it's an item that will appeal to many, but be bought by few. So what?

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RE: Super-niche....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 1:07:34 PM #
Agreed. This is the handheld that will likely appeal to all the super-geeks who want dozens of features because they're cool, but I would doubt the functionality provided by this machine would justify it's high price. Additionally, it might actually provide ammo for the pro-PPC crowd, since the PPC may still pack more features at the same price. Can you believe it - PPC may actually have the opportunity to argue that their device has "more value" than a PalmOS machine?

Obviously, all this is on a "wait-and-see" basis, but as it looks right now, this particular Sony might not be the dream machine we all thought it was.

Europe too

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 2:39:22 PM #
According to German magazine c't the NR70-V will be relased in Europe after the summer for about 700 EUR.

Sony Sony Ra Ra Ra

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 3:26:35 PM #
I still tease my wife about abandonning Handspring to buy a 760 when her Visor Deluxe got smashed (turned into roadkill, don't ask). We both want to be loyal to Handspring since we've had great experience with then in the past (and because we have Springboard modules!) but one look at the Hi-Res color TFT screen and she (remorsefully) jumped ship.
After purchase we realized that the MP3 function is actually somewhat useful and the fact that the software mounts the memory stick as a drive while the Clie is in the cradle is VERY cool.
Now Sony is the first complany to build what I have been asking for since my first PDA purchase--a fliptop, built in camera, and more memory. I just wish it had wireless instead of MP3 (I'd buy a Treo but it's too small and there is no expansion).
The nicest thing about Sony is that their distribution and capital is so huge that they can afford to produce half a dozen niche models. I my heart belongs to the little upstart but economy of scale is hard to argue with.
I know they will build the feature set I want eventually, I just hope I don't have to wait too long for a clamshell, camera, wireless, no MP3 model with the improved IR (and maybe OS5, though I'm not sure I want ARM-based battery life). Till then I'll crawl along as the "poor relation" of this household with my Visor Deluxe (with eyemodule2 and memory module)

Nathan the Geek

RE: Sony Sony Ra Ra Ra
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 10:16:59 PM #
Yup, I cannot agree with you more. Welcome to CLIE's family and you will be very happy for your smart choice.

$600 .... : (

Manicorp @ 3/26/2002 3:40:40 PM #
No way... if the NR series cost $600, i'm not buying it...
I'll wait for the OS5 and the next palm series...
If it cost less than $500, i'll consider upgrading but it it cost $600... i'll pass!

IMHO

Sam

RE: $600 .... : (
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 5:03:35 PM #
you can still get the model w/o camera for $500

RE: HK selling less than HKD3000..come to buy!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 9:46:29 PM #
HK is selling NR70 now with less than $3000, although it is japanese version right now, you can upgrade to english after english version released.

RE: $600 .... : (
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 11:50:07 PM #
I bought my 760 from Best Buy 4 weeks ago for 260. I saw the price of the NR come out around 400. So I thought that would be cool. But 500! Sheesh, I could have bought two 760's!

No thanx!

Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 3:59:53 PM #
For ages the hallmark of palm OS pda's has been the excellent battery life. But now the NR70 seems to have abandoned that idea and gone the way of the PPC. As a matter of fact, If I'm not mistaken, there are a couple of PPC machines that have BETTER battery life than the new sony. What gives?

ALthough I like the new sony and the design I must take issue with the battery life. 5 Hours? Gees Louise. That's just pathetic. And here's a quote from the review mentioned by Ed at SPUG.org:

"And finally the big problem, Battery Life.
Sony rated the battery as being able to support this CLIE for 5 hours and MP3 playback (with hold button used, screen off) at 7 hours. Its kind of true, sad to say.
I used the PDA from yesterday afternoon, throughout the office day today (being new, it kind of attracted people, so I just had to show the girls about the new multimedia features, which may put an extra stress on the battery today.)
At the end of the day when I get home, the battery is flat. I would rate its power at exactly half if not less than the N7 series."

This is just UN-Acceptable. Once they can make this thing go for at least 10 hours (double the current amount) then I'll consider it.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 4:44:54 PM #
It seems that no-one cares much about battery life. While many people complained about the dim backlight on the m505, few considered that it was that very backlight that gave it a long battery life. In contrast, the Sony T615C series has a strong backlight... and a short battery life. Every review I've read of the T615C has its battery life significantly shorter than the m505's. Did anyone care? Doesn't seem like it. So Sony is taking this idea and running with it. The NR series has a screen that is so big and bright, its poor battery can only power it for a few hours. Let's see if anyone cares this time.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 4:48:02 PM #
I guess it's a case of giving up some things for others.

Battery life will be there when the technology catches up. Right now, if you want something that thin, u'll just have to live with the battery life.

What kind of battery life can you get if you build a PPC in that form factor?

Because you can re-charge
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 5:58:57 PM #
That is because if the battery is flat, you always re-charge it but when the light is as dim as the m505, what can you do? That is why sony sells AA battery charger from the very beginning. Some people want the nice screen and all the multimedia function. So far the 5/7 hours are continuous play of mp3. Try to play mp3 continuously on the PPC and tell me how long that can last.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 6:30:21 PM #
Dude, this is good enough for a transcontinental flight. And the one cat that above recommended the AA adapter is right on....you need more, just juice up a few rechargable AAs and you'll be glidin'

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 7:08:46 PM #
My T615 lasts about 3 hours with the backlight on full brightness when running one of the Sony provided games Acid Solitare or Bejeweled. Without the backlight, the battery lasted much longer. About 2-3 hours for the battery indicator to get to 3/4 power. With the lowest backlight settings, I got about double the battery life... about 5 1/2 to 6 hours. This battery life is nothing compared to the m505 I have. I could play Galaxa on it for 2 1/2 - 3 hours a day for 3 days on a full charge.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 7:52:26 PM #
NR stands for Not Reliable.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 8:55:07 PM #
So I guess
Palm M-Series = Miserable-Series
Treo = The Really Expensive Organizer

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/26/2002 10:28:07 PM #
> its battery life significantly shorter than the m505's ..

B.S, who said that ? T615c with backlight on full v.s m505 with very dim backlight ? Ok, Ok , your lovely M505 wins.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
Altema @ 3/27/2002 1:13:39 AM #
Ok, enough about the 505, they don't even make it any more, it's discontinued.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/27/2002 3:20:47 AM #
2 1/2 hours of Galaxa a day for 3 days continuous without a recharge on the m505??? I hope you have very good insurance. Your eyes will go with that dark screen.

I rather recharge my T615 daily so that I can save my eyes, not my batteries.

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
Altema @ 3/27/2002 10:49:03 AM #
"2 1/2 hours of Galaxa a day for 3 days continuous without a recharge on the m505??? I hope you have very good insurance. Your eyes will go with that dark screen"

Yes, the sidelight was pretty dim compared to other models, but the screen was pretty easy on the eyes. The 505 screen, even with the sidelight off, had a better contrast ratio than most monochrome devices. That's not my opinion, that's the test results from Peter's Pilot Pages. I have upgraded from the 505 since then, but I have to admit that I was unable to find any lighting conditions that made it difficult to read. In the situations where I could not read a mono device no matter how I turned and twisted it, the 505 was always viewable. You just never had enough sidelight to impress anybody.

Oh well, that's history now. It's kind of funny,.. I meet all kinds of PDA users on my job and when they see my device they think it's a 505, but when they see the screen, they crank up their brightness as high as it can go before letting me see their device, then turn it back down when they get it back. Isn't it funny how we try and impress each other? Yes, I do the same thing at times. Funny creatures we are...

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
Altema @ 3/27/2002 11:27:14 AM #
"My T615" ... "the m505 I have"

How can you afford to have both devices when you spend so much time playing games? The only time I played that much was when I had a broken leg!

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/2/2002 10:42:47 PM #
You all lose sight of what a PDA is. It is a device to give you access to information that is important to your life on a day to day basis. If your battery dies because you were screwing around taking pictures and listening to music and you miss an important meeting that costs you your job then WHAT GOOD IS IT !

RE: Can anyone comment on the MISERABLE battery Life???
Altema @ 4/3/2002 12:28:18 AM #
"...that costs you your job then WHAT GOOD IS IT !"

To play games with in the unemployment line!

Sorry, couldn't resist... Seriously, I've been holding off on too much gameplay and videos as I get familiar with the M515, and it's amazing how much they suck up power. I usually unwind with a few good games after work, but since I have not been doing that as much this week, the battery life is much longer than my previous tests. Right now I'm at 8 hours, 33 minutes, and 7 seconds of runtime for this charge, which is equivalent to 17 days of normal use so far. The battery is still at 53%.

If I kept this pattern, I'd only need to charge my Palm 15 or 16 times a year...

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