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Earlier this month, Senator Fritz Hollings proposed a law which would require companies to include copy protection in all types of electronic devices, including handhelds, MP3 players, cell phones, and anything else capable of copying or storing a copyrighted file. If the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA) becomes law, all software would also have to include copy-protection methods approved by the FCC.
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I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 4:25:52 PM #
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I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 4:28:40 PM #
Right..........................

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I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 7:36:14 PM #
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I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 11:20:30 PM #
I think the poster was making a reference to Orwell's novel 1984... :-P

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I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 5:25:43 PM #
Yeah, just what we need is government sticking their incompetent noses into another part of our lives. Think about the cost to developers for this, then remember that costs like this ultimately get passed to the consumer.

Whatever happened to limited government anyway?

And all this while they tax you on their side so you can pay more for software on the other side.

Enjoy poverty.

We need this law

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 4:50:46 PM #
The music industry is losing money to thieves pirating MP3s and other content.

The movie industry is losing money to pirates because of DivX.

As honest consumers we need to support this bill. Disney and Eisner are correct. Support the RIAA and Hilary Rosen's initiatives.

I urge you to write to your congressman or woman to support passing this law.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 5:06:36 PM #
If this is what they intend to do, I will support this.

But, apparently this law has many hidden power, just like our 10th Amandment did. Just imagine you want to do a research on encription, and that DMCA said your research has a possibility to break their software, so that they will charge you for a criminal law.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 5:34:38 PM #
The bill will be toned down when it comes before Congress next year.

It is important to enforce copy protection on all digital media. If that's an inconvenience to consumers, tough luck. You consumers brought this on. If it wasn't for consumer's rampant disrespect for copyright laws, this bill would be unnecessary.

I fully support putting locks on hard drives, CD-ROMs, and DVD-ROMs to prevent illicit copying of copyrighted material. There has to be respect for artists' rights.

I agree for the most part.

People need to pay their fair share to support copyright laws and protect the media industry.

I think the Canadian bill of heavily taxing CDR and DVD-R would be a good idea.

I don't have any problems with adding up to $5 per CDR as a compensation to copyright infringement.

We have to pay our fair share.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 5:43:21 PM #
> I urge you to write to your congressman or woman to
> support passing this law.

And how much is the recording industry paying you to say this?

The music industry isn't losing money and neither is the movie industry. The movie industry has a huge advantage by the fact that content size and bandwidth issues makespiracy costly and time consuming. Quite frankly, the movie industry runs a solid act and knows how to take care of itself.

On the music industry size of things, the people (I should say lawyers) that run it are bunch of money grubbing bastards that steal from both the consumers and the musicians who write and perform the music. They coax in and oversee musicians like the mob, and on the consumer side as CD production costs have plummetted they have done zero to feed that savings back to consumers and to curb piracy. They lobby hard to add taxes onto every form of blank media you buy. The Internet has the potential to provide musicians with the opportunity to kill the sickening mob that runs the music recording industry and I hope it dies a quick and painful death.

Should we be forcing computer makers to also build systems that prevent you from running pirated software too? Maybe photocopier makers should be forced to add detection circuitry to prevent you from copying a copyright protected document. Intelligent people in industries embrace the technology and learn how to profit from it, like the movie industry did with the VCR.

There's a nice article about this on cnet too:
http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-3219397-8-9508589-1.html


RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 5:50:33 PM #
I totally dissagree.

If this comes to pass, hacking will simply move to a more sophisticated level.

How 'bout reasonable prices for stuff.

When cigarette prices got out of control, people bought so much boot leg tabacco that the Canadian Gov't had no choice but to lower taxes. Same for American prohibition. No different here. Reasonable prices for music, movies and theatre, and the piracy problem, by and large would disappear.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:26:46 PM #
>If this comes to pass, hacking will simply move to a more sophisticated level.

Amen, it doesn't matter if it gets passed or not, someone will be able to hack it, then in will just be a waste

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:56:05 PM #
C'mon people stealing is wrong.

What's the big deal with putting copy protection on media and hardware? It's not going to make your life any harder if you're honest.

And a tax on media is no big deal. How many CDRs do you use anyway? A $2-$3 tax is reasonable to me.

I agree with the other poster. Paying our fair share is only proper. The only people who would disagree are right wingers.


RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 7:01:17 PM #
"I think the Canadian bill of heavily taxing CDR and DVD-R would be a good idea." Yeah taxes and laws are the answer, just like steel tariffs are a good idea. The environment has changed and like any old industry that is threatened by a new one they try to pass laws to stop change that benefits the consumer.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 7:08:08 PM #
> What's the big deal with putting copy protection on media and hardware? It's not going to make your life any harder if you're honest.

Not at all true. If your computer CD player won't play your audio CD, and that is all you are wanting to do --it is going to make it not only harder, but maybe impossible. The problem with implementation of this law is it will take away "fair use" rights, the kind of rights we enjoy presently with VCRs and mix tapes. It makes "honest people" criminals as well as the pirates, and will make everything digital "harder" ... not to mention, it won't keep the pirates from pirating.

Breaking copyright law is already illegal. Making computer manufacturers include mandated limits is only going to drive our computer and electronics costs up, add inconvenience to honest and practical uses of our media, and make hackers work just a little harder to do what they will continue to do anyway.

It's a miserable bill that should not become law.

RE: We need this law
Hed @ 3/30/2002 8:27:05 PM #
Are you serious? Let's TAX the media?

So you're telling me that when I make a backup of the files on my computer, I should pay the record companies.... and that makes sense WHY?

They already have a tax on it. If you go to the store you can buy "Audio CDR" media. This is more expensive because the record companies get a cut. They are otherwise the same as standard media. If you would like to pay the record companies, go right ahead.

RE: We need this law
Xian @ 3/30/2002 8:28:20 PM #
We don't need this law. We don't need this as it takes away from our "fair use" rights. What we need is the music and movie industries to think and come up with consumer friendly ideas, not some draconian measures.

When DMCA was passed, it was championed as a protection for digital content and the studios promised innovative and new content since it was was now illegal to circumvent said protection. What new and innovative stuff have you seen from Hollywood lately? All I've seen it loss of our rights to take things apart academically (case of the SDMI and Prof Felton) as well as throwing non-US citizens in jail for making a problem perfectly legal in their home country.

As as a worker in the computer industry, who deals with backing up lots of souce code, binary code, and building CDs, a heavy tax is neither useful nor welcome. I don't believe taxing of blank CDRs is good, cause it's going to affect other sectors that just the consumer-burn-a-music-cd type.

I'll finish this off with a concept that seems to be sorely lacking in practice now. The government that governs best, governs least.

RE: We need this law
digilaw @ 3/30/2002 8:32:07 PM #
What is called "stealing" by some here can be looked at in a different way. It can be looked at as a revolution. The musicians have no money so they need an investor to get their music out to the public. In a business situation this would be similar to a loan or a partnership. In those terms, its usualy an equitable arrangement where there is intrest paid on the loan or an even/near even split of assets/revenues. In this situation (very simplified)the recording company takes as much as 85% of the gross revenue from albums sold. Unless they are Madonna, the Rolling Stones or other established artists, the artists themselves mainly profits from the live shows and concerts (where there is another racket called Tickmaster). Digital music mediums like Napster, if used correctly, can cut out the recording industry's stranglehold on music delivery. This is why they are fighting tooth and nail to stop the progess of technology. Now they could "play nice" and accept and work with the changes in technology (and, might I add, society) but that would break their fat regime for a new one where they would just be another player without their established forms of coersion. I am sure they have run projections of how chaning the delivery medium would effect their bottom lines and it made them weep. So, in this, they are an evil dictatorship with the money and government officials to sucessfully halt the flow of technological progress. And they have a huge incentive to do so even though it is at the cost of the consumer, the artist, and society at large. The only way to make them stop is to hurt them. If we can sucessfully cut their profits to the point where it would be more profitable to bow to the changes in society and technology then they will have no choice. It is a revolution.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 8:35:49 PM #
If it is blocked in U.S. it will be done in other countries. China and india as well as other countries have plenty of slack in their regulations that these will just be exported more than before. Besides, most people still go to theaters or buy dvd's to watch movies, given the fact that there aren't many dvd quality divx's nor computer screen big enough to enjoy movies. In a way piracy is a competition for these inefficient and bloated media companies, which may help to drive them to be more efficient and consumer minded. Given that movie/music industry uses money as effciently as government, there's a room for improvement. If this law passes, the only losers will be consumers who has to pay more for same old things.



RE: We need this law
martopiggus @ 3/30/2002 8:51:43 PM #
> I think the Canadian bill of heavily taxing CDR and
> DVD-R would be a good idea.

> I don't have any problems with adding up to $5 per
> CDR as a compensation to copyright infringement.

Good lord, I think CDRs are being used to backup and carry your own files everywhere and DVD-Rs are being used to replace VHS. What the **** they (you) are thinking about? Taxing on the legitimate users on the media and not on the ACT itself is ridiculous when a country has already been taxed its citizens HUGE sum of money already. (Although I'm no Canadian, my many friends are).



RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 9:13:20 PM #
> C'mon people stealing is wrong.

Yes, and I would suggest you learn a little about how the music industry works so you understand who is actually doing the stealing. The recording industry to be blunt is more evil than Microsoft. At least MS tries to treat it's consumers fairly and is good to their employees. MS is just rough on their competitors. In contrast, the music industry is the exact opposite. The companies work together to shaft musicians and performers in their contracts, fix prices for consumers, and in the meantime spend millions if not billions of dollars lobbying government to keep their evil regime in place.

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 5:30:08 PM #
Yes, stealing is wrong. No arguement there. And we ALREADY HAVE LAWS TO DEAL WITH IT! We DON'T need a law like this to stop it. The criminals will still steal and honest people like you and me will have to PAY MORE for software and devices.

From the business perspective, this law allows the government to effectively dictate how you create YOUR OWN PRODUCTS! It would be ILLEGAL to create software or devices that don't have an antipiracy scheme, effectively giving the government state control of your business. Not only is this an unnecessary intrusion, but it blatantly flies in the face of the spirit of our constitution!

RE: We need this law
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 5:42:43 PM #
>"What's the big deal with putting copy protection on media and hardware? It's not going to make your life any harder if you're honest.
And a tax on media is no big deal. How many CDRs do you use anyway? A $2-$3 tax is reasonable to me.
I agree with the other poster. Paying our fair share is only proper. The only people who would disagree are right wingers."

Hmm..."right wingers" as you call them, generally support the Constitution and our personal liberties. They typically are the opposite of..ahem...COMMUNISTS. Since you seem to hold a deep loathing for "right wingers" in addition to supporting higher taxes and draconian government measures, one can only assume the same about you. Do us all a favor and move to China.

fine.

scaught @ 3/30/2002 6:04:17 PM #
copy protect your crappy overpriced CDs that i dont want to listen to anyways, but there is no way in hell they should be allowed to put copy protection schemes on blank media or mp3 players etc.

it is well within ones copyright to make backup copys of an album for THEIR OWN USE. period. i own a CD, i can rip it to my ipod and listen to it that way.

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:17:00 PM #
The music industry gets an "F" for how they embrace technology. CDs now cost pennies to make, but those savings were never passed on to consumers. There was much talk about being able to custom make CDs with the tracks people want, but never any effort by the music industry to capitalize on it. Instead they just keep sticking with their old ways, and they killed off any 3rd party company that tried to do it. All they know how to do is LOBBY , LOBBY, LOBBY: tax recordable media for us, require this/that copy protection for us, etc., etc., etc.

If you want to know why CDs are so expensive, it is because all the money is going to the old fat-cat lawyers and execs in the music industry who don't know how to run a competitive business. Ask the all musicians that get screwed by them, they'll tell you it is true too.

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:50:34 PM #
Agreed. To the idiot above that says that this law wouldn't be necessary if people didn't violate copyright... Well, at least as far as CD-pricing goes, the music industry has no one to blame but themselves. When CDs first hit the market, their inflated pricing (usually a significant price over the then-prominent vinyl) was blamed on "new technology" and "low volume".
When asked, consumers were told that the prices would come down to vinyl level WHEN DEMAND AND COSTS ALLOWED.

Yeah, right. Here we 20 years later and CD pricing is STILL $14-18 an album. Given for inflation, that is a good price comparitively, but not when you realize that mere PENNIES are what these things are produced for (WAY less than vinyl costs ever were!).

Screw 'em. Make your laws, any lock can be picked. And until you come up with a plan to catch a significant portion of violaters, any protection given by the law will be as successful as a speeding ticket. Sure, you catch the occasional offender here and there but by and large the law will be worthless.

(FYI, I personally don't bootleg software or music. But I do think this type of law is a complete waste and folks that do want to pirate copyrighted works will continue to do so regardless. Oh, and the music industry's cluelessness has always been apparent, well before CD's came into the picture.)

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:53:12 PM #
Stealing is wrong and plenty of people do it without thinking twice.

Have you made a CDR copy of a music CD for a friend? Have you ripped off MP3s from the Internet?

Well, if you have, you've stolen.

People have very low ethics these days. It is in the best interest of liberal people to enforce copy protection at the media and hardware level.

It is better to take away the temptation.


RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 6:59:02 PM #
> FYI, I personally don't bootleg software or music.

I find your comment hard to believe. Your comments only support the fact that people have too much temptation and that the industry must protect itself.

RE: fine.
Hed @ 3/30/2002 8:32:40 PM #
>> It is better to take away the temptation.

Ok, and let's modify your car so that it is impossible to speed. Let's strip away your freedom to use your judgment for anything, you know.. just to take away the temptation. Independent thought could be dangerous.

I think you need to catch up with the rest of your flock.

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 10:59:03 PM #
> Let's strip away your freedom to use your judgment for anything

That is already being done.

Living in a liberal society, it is important to ensure people don't endanger others economically, physically, and emotionally.

I fully support the proposed bill. The issue isn't about judgment. Good ethical people are already practicing sound judgment by not stealing. It's everyone else that this bill addresses.

People by nature will always take the easy way out. Laziness and stealing are human nature. Hence, from a liberal point of view, it is important to curtail this and remove the temptation. That's what liberalism and social welfare is about. This bill is being pushed by democrats not the evil republicans.

I absolutely detest the republicans and their evil pro-gun, anti-abortion hypocrisy.



RE: fine.
scaught @ 3/30/2002 10:59:50 PM #
i can take a QTip and shove it really far in my ear and break my eardrum. better take away that temptation too. it feels really good to shove a QTip really far into your ear.

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 11:04:00 PM #
> I can take a QTip and shove it really far in my ear

I think it's a great idea. As long as you don't hurt others that's fine by me. I just don't want to pay for your medical care and your hearing aid.

And why should we remove "temptation" for people who shouldn't be in the gene pool?

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 11:06:25 PM #
I personally think they can take they're TARIFF and, well, you know what. Record companies keep crying "oh, we're losing money to pirates!" and "we need that money". I've got a word for them, I'm not gonna say it though (it involves a male cow). They've treated artists like trash, they've treated their customers almost as bad (almost). Now they want to make government enforce a tariff that in itself is a joke. The Compact Disc medium is the one of the most reliable mediums for backing up data. You want to make it so they can't listen to you're copyrighted music? Maybe you should consider making a media that isn't compatible with audio players? Of course that in itself could be ridiculous, but really? Why is the consumer who uses the media legally having to pay???? Why should these con-artists who call themselves executives be paid for EVERY SINGLE BLANK CD PURCHASED??? I'm sick of being taxed already! 14% tax on almost everything! Yes, much of it is there for good reason (I think?) But the record companies already have lined their pockets with gold and platinum. There should be an inquiry on why the record companies are not trying to do what should have been done all along, making their products more inviting to the consumer.

For all those who say "I think we should pay a fee for each disc" do us all a favor, go to a local small business, see if they have a CD-RW drive for backing up their data, and ask THEM how many discs they use in a month? CD-R/RW are cheap enough to allow businesses to maintain their records, and keep their data safe from hardware failure. You wanna kill all of the small guys???

I'm gonna go now, because this is a topic that hits WAY too close what I believe is important. The small businesses.

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/2/2002 7:02:07 PM #
"I just don't want to pay for your medical care and your hearing aid."

I thought you were FOR social welfare...

RE: fine.
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 6:06:34 PM #
>"I find your comment hard to believe. Your comments only support the fact that people have too much temptation and that the industry must protect itself."

Yes, the INDUSTRY must protect ITSELF. It should NOT be co-opting government to intrude on businesses and individuals to do it for them.

>"People by nature will always take the easy way out. Laziness and stealing are human nature. Hence, from a liberal point of view, it is important to curtail this and remove the temptation. That's what liberalism and social welfare is about. This bill is being pushed by democrats not the evil republicans."

Just because human nature leans towards certain tendencies doesn't mean that people don't have the intellectual capacity to resist that and do what is right. It is important to curtail CRIME, not TEMPTATION. By your line of reasoning, it would be a crime to think, and that truly is what liberalism is all about - control of every detail of people's lives. It's not hard to believe that this bill is being pushed by Dems, since they lost touch with reality long ago. It's interesting to note that in the last 50 years this is the group of people who have continually assaulted peoples' freedoms while simultaneously committing some of the most heinous crimes while in office, along with blatant abuses of powers that are given "by the consent of the governed". People want guns because without them they are unarmed victims, both of criminals and of a heavily armed government the moment it decides to become abusive. Many people (the majority in just about every survey)don't want abortion on demand because they consider it to be murder. If you want to be disarmed and have your children killed off, then I suggest a relocation. Get out out of our America and move to China or Cuba where you will be much more welcome.

Liberals

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 9:00:39 PM #
Damn Democrat Commie Pinko Liberals

RE: Liberals
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 9:06:03 PM #
I'm not sure what you mean by that. The people most strongly for (Hollings) AND against (Boucher) this are all democrats. Meanwhile the republicans sit on the sideline sucking up money from the RIAA.

RE: Liberals
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 9:09:31 PM #
Damn Republican Fascist Whining Inbred Conservatives

RE: Liberals
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 10:56:36 PM #
Damn all the democrats and republicans. I praise socialism.

Good thing that the liberal point of view is winning all over the world.

In fact, there is very little difference between moderate democrats and republicans. They all espouse good healthy taxation and tight laws to control the populace. With the whole world spiraling out of control, this is the future. Everyone needs to pay their fair share.



The Library...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 11:08:47 PM #
Could someone explain something to me...
I can go to my local library and get a CD to listen to, or a movie to watch, or a book to read, and I don't have to buy it. In fact, frequenting the library is highly encouraged in the name of literacy.
But if I download one of these in digital form all of a sudden I'm a criminal? Why is this? That seems like a double standard.

RE: The Library...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 11:18:52 PM #
shhhhh, you don't want the record companies to know they forgot someone they can steal more money from....

RE: The Library...
I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 6:19:17 PM #
Actually, under DMCA, this is now technically illegal as well. They don't enforce it because they know what the backlash would be, and they would lose their "weapon" with which to club certain entities they wish to target.

Copyright laws are not gonna get us anywhere

I.M. Anonymous @ 4/3/2002 9:06:34 AM #
Have you people noticed the history of copy protection? First they introduced some copy protection to VHS tapes, resulting in some consumers being unable to watch the videos. But people still managed to defeat that protection. Then there was that protected audio cd thing which damaged certain hifi sets. People still got around by copying the disc in RAW mode. My point is that copy protection is gonna hinder people and sooner or later people will find a way to get around it.

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